Microsoft treat their core audience better than Nintendo

I know the Microsoft first party ain't great, but at least they still put out completely core games for us gamers such as Halo 4, Forza Horizon, Gears: Judgement etc. And then theres the fact it gets pretty much every third party game, some even with sweet deals such as exclusive or timed exclusive DLC.

Nintendo on the other hand have the talent and IPs, yet they're going in a direction that pretty much ignores their core audience. If you forget about the casual crap like Wii Fit and Nintendo Land, they have core franchises such as Zelda that they are openly trying to simplify and make more accessible to casual gamers.

NSMBU it aesthetically awful. It comes across as incredibly lazy, like an up-resed DS game. Nintendo Land and Wii Fit U are complete casual fests. Pikmin 3 is the most exciting, but even that is disappointing with its lack of online. I have a feeling the game will be piss easy to cater to casuals.

They're already making excuses for not including online in a couple of flagship games where it makes sense, on a console where they are trying to push online capabilities. Match that with the fact that they have openly stated they won't battle Microsoft or Sony for third party exclusive deals, and it makes you wonder do they honestly give a crap.

A dog treats its flees better than Nintendo treats its core fans.

Well,Arcade is nice.

And then there's the return of its popular franchises.

I think nintendo showing the deepest core game of the big three this E3 says at least something good for nintendo's efforts. I will also add that while their games are easy to pick up, they always offer a high level challenge if you choose to. Yes they are more accessible, but at the same time they have a lot of range on the difficulty spectrum. They just need to make the rampant tutorials at the start of their games optional.

Why does everyone say Halo, Gears, Forza, "etc"? No one names anything past"etc" lolKeiji993

[QUOTE="Keiji993"]Why does everyone say Halo, Gears, Forza, "etc"? No one names anything past"etc" lolkuraimen

So the Sony fans don't get confused. Big numbers scare them.

depends on what games you like. the fact that pikmin 3 and a mario platoformer is coming so close to launch is treating me right.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Keiji993"]Why does everyone say Halo, Gears, Forza, "etc"? No one names anything past"etc" lolwaltefmoney

So the Sony fans don't get confused. Big numbers scare them.

So M$ releases just 3 games to not confuse PS3 owners?? lol I think you're confused.kuraimen

They might die bro. It's no loling matter.

SMG1+2 > everything Microsoft has offered.

Not to mention their handheld offering is the best there is.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]So M$ releases just 3 games to not confuse PS3 owners?? lol I think you're confused.waltefmoney

They might die bro. It's no loling matter.

Why does everyone say Halo, Gears, Forza, "etc"? No one names anything past"etc" lolKeiji993

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[QUOTE="kuraimen"]So M$ releases just 3 games to not confuse PS3 owners?? lol I think you're confused.kuraimen

They might die bro. It's no loling matter.

What jellyous speak.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]:lol: no. Nintnendo actually has more than three core franchisesRR360DD

And no don't confuse linearity with casualization. Something like skyward sword still offers far more depth than kinect sports and kinectimals

(which are the only type of games MS seems to be pushing ouside of the gears/halo/forza trifecta) :|

Lol no, Nintendo keeps their fanbase happy with it's great 1st party line up. MS just dumbs all over them with only 3 games they are going to start milking every year, and lol at timed DLC, who cares about that crap?

MS and the Xbox just take, that's all it does. Only real focus for the platfrom is Kinect, and it nickels and dimes you too much, paying $60 a year for party chat? WTF? When it comes to games and treating it's fanbase well, the 360 comes in dead last.

Not really, no.charizard1605

Breh Nintendo doesn't give their devs as much creative freedom and the kind of budgets that Sony/MS do.

Why does everyone say Halo, Gears, Forza, "etc"? No one names anything past"etc" lolKeiji993

I just realized the digits in our screennames are the same which is completely relevant to the topic.

Breh Nintendo doesn't give their devs as much creative freedom and the kind of budgets that Sony/MS do.

waltefmoney

...oh wait sh*t

Microsoft doesn't have a core audience. Just FPS kiddies.

I know, look at all that creative freedom they gave rare ...oh wait sh*tShinobishyguy

Uhm.. Viva Pinata? Banjo: Nuts and Bolts? Get real sheep. For all the bashing MS gets they'll never be as bad a publisher as Nintendo,

You ever beat the perfect run in SMG2, TC? Or have you 100% DKC: Returns yet?

[QUOTE="RR360DD"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]:lol: no. Nintnendo actually has more than three core franchisesShinobishyguy

And no don't confuse linearity with casualization. Something like skyward sword still offers far more depth than kinect sports and kinectimals

(which are the only type of games MS seems to be pushing ouside of the gears/halo/forza trifecta) :|

Ill just counter shlt like that with NintendoLand, Wii Fit U etc etc.

Its clear they're in a for a quick buck, hence the unpolishing embarassing look to the new super mario game. Zelda is going to be made more accessible, Skyward sword was already dummed down with its linearity. They're lazily making excuses for no online, and already saying they're never going to catch XBL because lets be honest, they don't need to. Casuals will be perfectly happy with their crappy online offerings.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]I know, look at all that creative freedom they gave rare ...oh wait sh*twaltefmoney

Uhm.. Viva Pinata? Banjo: Nuts and Bolts? Get real sheep. For all the bashing MS gets they'll never be as bad a publisher as Nintendo,

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Breh Nintendo doesn't give their devs as much creative freedom and the kind of budgets that Sony/MS do.

Shinobishyguy

...oh wait sh*t

I'm pretty sure he's just trolling, everyone knows that MS doesn't support devs at all.

Plenty of devs have complained and dissed MS for their lack of dev support and freedom like Epic, Valve, Rockstar, even Bungie.

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"] That they are complete pissing down the drain by making them more accessible and forgetting about their core audience. RR360DD

And no don't confuse linearity with casualization. Something like skyward sword still offers far more depth than kinect sports and kinectimals

(which are the only type of games MS seems to be pushing ouside of the gears/halo/forza trifecta) :|

Ill just counter shlt like that with NintendoLand, Wii Fit U etc etc.

Its clear they're in a for a quick buck, hence the unpolishing embarassing look to the new super mario game. Zelda is going to be made more accessible, Skyward sword was already dummed down with its linearity. They're lazily making excuses for no online, and already saying they're never going to catch XBL because lets be honest, they don't need to. Casuals will be perfectly happy with their crappy online offerings.

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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]I know, look at all that creative freedom they gave rare ...oh wait sh*tShinobishyguy

Uhm.. Viva Pinata? Banjo: Nuts and Bolts? Get real sheep. For all the bashing MS gets they'll never be as bad a publisher as Nintendo,

We don't know what Rare are working on dumbass. Last game they made was Kinect Sports but do you think they've just been sitting on their asses since then? I think the reduced focus on Kinect at this years E3 (in terms of gaming) is proof enough Microsoft is balancing out their efforts in casual and core.

nice job listing games that came out at the beginning/middle of this gen. Tell me what projects have rare been working on as of late? Oh right, nothing but kinect shovelware because MS got fed up with none of their games selling boatloadsShinobishyguy

So what, those games don't count? This is about which publisher treats their core audience better.

This gen Rare has released 5 brand new core games and 2 Kinect games.

But while we're on the subject, you think Nintendo would let Rare release so many unsuccessful games one after another? Hell no. They would have pulled the plug after the second.

We don't know what Rare are working on dumbass. Last game they made was Kinect Sports but do you think they've just been sitting on their asses since then? I think the reduced focus on Kinect at this years E3 (in terms of gaming) is proof enough Microsoft is balancing out their efforts in casual and core.

RR360DD

Kinect Sports 2, entire art staff laid off in favor of contracters/short term staff. Rare is never coming back. Going by Microsoft's E3 conference, they completely forgot what gaming was.

But I'm sure you'll have plenty of fun with Kinect Nike and Spalding games.

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We don't know what Rare are working on dumbass. Last game they made was Kinect Sports but do you think they've just been sitting on their asses since then? I think the reduced focus on Kinect at this years E3 (in terms of gaming) is proof enough Microsoft is balancing out their efforts in casual and core.

ChubbyGuy40

Kinect Sports 2, entire art staff laid off in favor of contracters/short term staff. Rare is never coming back. Going by Microsoft's E3 conference, they completely forgot what gaming was.

But I'm sure you'll have plenty of fun with Kinect Nike and Spalding games.

3 new IP's this E3. How many did Cheaptendo announce?

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We don't know what Rare are working on dumbass. Last game they made was Kinect Sports but do you think they've just been sitting on their asses since then? I think the reduced focus on Kinect at this years E3 (in terms of gaming) is proof enough Microsoft is balancing out their efforts in casual and core.

waltefmoney

Kinect Sports 2, entire art staff laid off in favor of contracters/short term staff. Rare is never coming back. Going by Microsoft's E3 conference, they completely forgot what gaming was.

But I'm sure you'll have plenty of fun with Kinect Nike and Spalding games.

3 new IP's this E3. How many did Cheaptendo announce?

3 new IP's this E3. How many did Cheaptendo announce?

waltefmoney

Nintendo Land, SiNG, and a few titles from other companies. They won't tell us what Retro, Monolith Soft, and EAD's teams are working on.

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3 new IP's this E3. How many did Cheaptendo announce?

ChubbyGuy40

Nintendo Land, SiNG, and a few titles from other companies. They won't tell us what Retro and EAD's teams are working on.

So 2?

So let me get this straight:

Nintendo is launching a new console and announces 2 new IP's at E3.

Microsoft announces 3 new ones for their 7 year old platform.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

We don't know what Rare are working on dumbass. Last game they made was Kinect Sports but do you think they've just been sitting on their asses since then? I think the reduced focus on Kinect at this years E3 (in terms of gaming) is proof enough Microsoft is balancing out their efforts in casual and core.

ChubbyGuy40

Kinect Sports 2, entire art staff laid off in favor of contracters/short term staff. Rare is never coming back. Going by Microsoft's E3 conference, they completely forgot what gaming was.

But I'm sure you'll have plenty of fun with Kinect Nike and Spalding games.

Yeah, I guess the fact the majority of the conference focused on core games (1st and 3rd party) completely washed over you.

And I'm sure you'll have fun with Wii Fit U, Ben 10, Family Party, Nintendo Land, SiNG, Just Dance 4, Sports Connection, Your Shape and the rest of the plethora of complete garbage launching on the Wii U.

There's no competition between them. They both equally treat their core audience like morons.

Nintendo is launching a new console and announces 2 new IP's at E3.

Microsoft announces 3 new ones for their 7 year old platform.

waltefmoney

Do you expect them to release 10 brand new IPs at launch all by themselves? There are other developers working on games, such as Project P-100 and ZombiU.

I wasn't aware making new IPs on an established platform was hard. But at least Microsoft is finally throwing you guys a bone after leaving you dry for so long.

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We don't know what Rare are working on dumbass. Last game they made was Kinect Sports but do you think they've just been sitting on their asses since then? I think the reduced focus on Kinect at this years E3 (in terms of gaming) is proof enough Microsoft is balancing out their efforts in casual and core.

RR360DD

Kinect Sports 2, entire art staff laid off in favor of contracters/short term staff. Rare is never coming back. Going by Microsoft's E3 conference, they completely forgot what gaming was.

But I'm sure you'll have plenty of fun with Kinect Nike and Spalding games.

Yeah, I guess the fact the majority of the conference focused on core games (1st and 3rd party) completely washed over you.

And I'm sure you'll have fun with Wii Fit U, Ben 10, Family Party, Nintendo Land, SiNG, Just Dance 4, Sports Connection, Your Shape and the rest of the plethora of complete garbage launching on the Wii U.

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Kinect Sports 2, entire art staff laid off in favor of contracters/short term staff. Rare is never coming back. Going by Microsoft's E3 conference, they completely forgot what gaming was.

But I'm sure you'll have plenty of fun with Kinect Nike and Spalding games.

Shinobishyguy

Yeah, I guess the fact the majority of the conference focused on core games (1st and 3rd party) completely washed over you.

And I'm sure you'll have fun with Wii Fit U, Ben 10, Family Party, Nintendo Land, SiNG, Just Dance 4, Sports Connection, Your Shape and the rest of the plethora of complete garbage launching on the Wii U.

Who gives a fuk if they arent utilising them? Microsoft has far more then 3 core IPs, but similarly they don't utilise them all (But what they do offer is completely core). Nintendo is on track to make all their IPs accessible garbage to the masses.

I wasn't aware making new IPs on an established platform was hard.

ChubbyGuy40

Apparently you haven't looked at Nintendo's track record with new IP's on their previous 2 home platforms. Going by that it's unbelievably hard.

Apparently you haven't looked at Nintendo's track record with new IP's on their previous 2 home platforms. Going by that it's unbelievably hard.

waltefmoney

How many has Microsoft made themselves (not published) this gen?

Who gives a fuk if they arent utilising them? Microsoft has far more then 3 core IPs, but similarly they don't utilise them all (But what they do offer is completely core). Nintendo is on track to make all their IPs accessible garbage to the masses.

RR360DD

They haven't used F-Zero this generation and...uh, Ice Climbers? Nintendo has core and casual versions of their IPs. Both usually turn out great even if it's done by another team.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Yeah, I guess the fact the majority of the conference focused on core games (1st and 3rd party) completely washed over you.

And I'm sure you'll have fun with Wii Fit U, Ben 10, Family Party, Nintendo Land, SiNG, Just Dance 4, Sports Connection, Your Shape and the rest of the plethora of complete garbage launching on the Wii U.

RR360DD

Who gives a fuk if they arent utilising them?

Metroid is on hiatus after the other M. Rumors are retro has something in store for it.

They even bring back older IP's like Kid Icarus and Punchout.

Meanwhile MS has JUST the trifecta. For everything else it's either kinect shovelware or timed DLC for multiplats.

Thats been the trend for the past few years and going by E3 it's not changing any time soon

lol, you've got to be kidding. Lemmings get either Forza, Gears, Halo or Fable every year as of late. Atleast Nintendo makes an attempt to juggle around its franchises. Nintendo even revived a franchise from the NES days.

How many has Microsoft made themselves (not published) this gen?

ChubbyGuy40

What you mean made themselves? First party ones?

Yea woohoo. Gears, Halo, Forza etc( which really means, nothing else).

What you mean made themselves? First party ones?

waltefmoney

Internally, like Nintendo's EAD teams. If you count just those, I'm pretty sure Microsoft hasn't made much. If you count published by Microsoft from MS owned devs, then Nintendo has had plenty of those too, especially if you count handhelds.