Microsoft treats indie-devs horribly and ask $40,000 for patches

Jesus...no wonder indies are running away from Microsoft :D

http://polytroncorporation.com/were-not-going-to-patch-the-patch

Had FEZ been released on steam instead of XBLA, the game would have been fixed two weeks after release, at no cost to us. And if there was an issue with that patch, we could have fixed that right away too!
We believe the save file corruption issue mostly happened to players who had completed, or almost completed the game. If you hadn?t already seen most of what FEZ had to offer, your save file is probably safe. It doesn?t happen if you start a new game.
We believe the current patch is safe for an overwhelming majority of players.
The patch fixes almost everything that?s been wrong with the game since launch. The framerate issues, the loading, the skips, the death loops, everything! All that stuff is fixed! And right now, nobody can get to it since the patch was pulled. For 99% of people, it makes FEZ a better game.
To the less-than-1% who are getting screwed, we sincerely apologize. We know this hurts you the most, because you?re the ones who put the most times into the game. And this breaks our hearts. We hope you dont think back on your time spent in FEZ as a total waste.
Microsoft gave us a choice: either pay a ton of money to re-certify the game and issue a new patch (which for all we know could introduce new issues, for which we?d need yet another costly patch), or simply put the patch back online. They looked into it, and the issue happens so rarely that they still consider the patch to be ?good enough?.
It wasn?t an easy decision, but in the end, paying such a large sum of money to jump through so many hoops just doesn?t make any sense. We already owe microsoft a LOT of money for the privilege of being on their platform. People often mistakenly believe that we got paid by Microsoft for being exclusive to their platform. Nothing could be further from the truth. WE pay THEM.
So we?re going to go ahead and put Title Update back online, and for a vast majority of people it?s going to make FEZ a better game.
Thank you for your understanding and continuing support.
Sincerely,
The Polytron Team]

Time for all of them to move on the PS3.....best console ever.AtariKidX

We already owe microsoft a LOT of money for the privilege of being on their platform. People often mistakenly believe that we got paid byMicrosoft for being exclusive to their platform. Nothing could be further from the truth. WE pay THEM.

That sounds like a very Phil Fishian, SW-friendly way of saying "MS gets a cut of the sales because they're effectively the publisher+retailer".

Time for all of them to move on the PS3.....best console ever.AtariKidX

All Hail ps3, 8 spe >>> 3 fail corez. Ken Kuturagi lives on foreverz!

We already owe microsoft a LOT of money for the privilege of being on their platform. People often mistakenly believe that we got paid byMicrosoft for being exclusive to their platform. Nothing could be further from the truth. WE pay THEM.

That sounds like a very Phil Fishian, SW-friendly way of saying "MS gets a cut of the sales because they're effectively the publisher+retailer".

Slow_Show

So, ads + actually have to pay + no free patches/updates + THIS

lmao why?

Jankarcop

Right? No wonder people talk about the death of consoles. S*** like this.

Apparently it costs $40,000 to simply patch your game, whether it's a indie game worth a few megabytes or not.
Microsoft continues to treat developers like those of Fez and Super Meat Boy like trash and eventually drives them nuts.
When will people see the true cancer to gaming that is Microsoft?

http://www.giantbomb.com/news/the-rabbit-hole-that-is-life-after-fez/4275/

Discuss.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Wow people on SW are stupider than I thought. Does anyone even read the link or just blindly attack microsoft? Phil himself even said they waived the first fee, and polytron screwed up, also they said microsoft helped on what matters most, the game. DO all you rabbid cows really just ignore this? Also who ever thinks consoles are dying made me laugh with your stupidity. That was laughable. :lol:

The fact that The Witness (from Braid creator) and The Binding of Isaac (from Super Meat Boy creator) aren't on XBLA explains a lot.

RyuRanVII

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The fact that The Witness (from Braid creator) and The Binding of Isaac (from Super Meat Boy creator) aren't on XBLA explains a lot.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Lol. Sony isn't anywhere near Steam when it comes to supporting indie developers. Hell, no consoles are. If anything, MS probably supports the indie sceen the most out of the big 3. They've released C# and XNA, AppHub, Windows Phone Development Tools, and Kinect for PC SDK, to say nothing of the freely available DirectX SDK.

They just suck at making a convincing push with the 360; the Indie Games section of the Marketplace needs a huge revamp if it's going to attract any serious indie developer and this $40,000 for a patch nonsense has to go.

Let's be clear - indie success happens primarily on PC. None of consoles really promote a vibrant indie games market.

And the rabbit-hole just deepened, let's so how this turns out.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/faulty-fez-patch-to-be-re-released-as-is-6387827

If Micro$haft refuses the patch again...you can pretty much see who the real cancers are.

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[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The fact that The Witness (from Braid creator) and The Binding of Isaac (from Super Meat Boy creator) aren't on XBLA explains a lot.

Kickinurass

Lol. Sony isn't anywhere near Steam when it comes to supporting indie developers. Hell, no consoles are. If anything, MS probably supports the indie sceen the most out of the big 3. They've released C# and XNA, AppHub, Windows Phone Development Tools, and Kinect for PC SDK, to say nothing of the freely available DirectX SDK.

They just suck at making a convincing push with the 360; the Indie Games section of the Marketplace needs a huge revamp if it's going to attract any serious indie developer and this $40,000 for a patch nonsense has to go.

Let's be clear - indie success happens primarily on PC. None of consoles really promote a vibrant indie games market.

We already owe microsoft a LOT of money for the privilege of being on their platform. People often mistakenly believe that we got paid by Microsoft for being exclusive to their platform. Nothing could be further from the truth. WE pay THEM.

AdrianWerner

The cows are DONE.

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We already owe microsoft a LOT of money for the privilege of being on their platform. People often mistakenly believe that we got paid by Microsoft for being exclusive to their platform. Nothing could be further from the truth. WE pay THEM.

waltefmoney

The cows are DONE.

The lemmings are DONE.

Lol. Sony isn't anywhere near Steam when it comes to supporting indie developers. Hell, no consoles are. If anything, MS probably supports the indie sceen the most out of the big 3. They've released C# and XNA, AppHub, Windows Phone Development Tools, and Kinect for PC SDK, to say nothing of the freely available DirectX SDK.

Kickinurass

When you put it like this it sounds very altruistic, but when you consider the reasons behind all those decisions - they are in support of MS's main product - Windows. If it wasn't for DirectX, an alternative would be used - one, which would be a lot more portable, like OpenGL for example. Free dev tools and SDKs are not charity - it's a way to attract people to a platform ...

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The cows are DONE.

DrTrafalgarLaw

The lemmings are DONE.

I imagine him going "meh, still better than releasing on PSN."

Dear god can you imagine that? Absolutely hilarious.

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[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

The cows are DONE.

waltefmoney

The lemmings are DONE.

I imagine him going "meh, still better than releasing on PSN."

Dear god can you imagine that? Absolutely hilarious.

Watch as his next game won't even touch XBL(A). :lol:DrTrafalgarLaw

Cows are so done they're trying to predict the future.

Didn't predict being last place did you?

Here's what Robot Entertainment representative said regarding Orcs Must Die 2:

OMD2 is a PC exclusive.
We were really happy with the enthusiasm of the XBLA community, but ultimately it was a pretty small group compared to our PC Community. It's unfortunate, but it requires a significant amount of time and resources to port the game to XBLA.

Whassup lemmons? I thought XBLA was the greatest thing ever, the major selling point of Xbox these days, but you can't even muster more people than the pirate ridden PC? Are you too busy with retail exclusives ... ???!!?!??? Hahahaahahahaahahahahah, what A JOKE !

Breakdown of the PSN library:

99% - XBLA Ports

1% - Journey

What a joke of a console

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]Watch as his next game won't even touch XBL(A). :lol:waltefmoney

Cows are so done they're trying to predict the future.

Didn't predict being last place did you?

You also couldn't predict this.DrTrafalgarLaw

I could draw better than that if I wanted. :cool:

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[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

Cows are so done they're trying to predict the future.

Didn't predict being last place did you?

DrTrafalgarLaw

Breakdown of the PSN library:

99% - XBLA Ports

1% - Journey

What a joke of a console

waltefmoney

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Breakdown of the PSN library:

99% - XBLA Ports

1% - Journey

What a joke of a console

CanYouDiglt

Probably got tired of no one ever having heard about their games while XBLA devs are basically the equivalent of rockstars. Phil Fish is probably swimming in vag.

Sony are the best way to go for indie developers.

DrTrafalgarLaw

You do know that it also costs 40k$ on PSN too? Tim Schafer revealed that earlier this year. There is a reason why EA cancelled the patch for PS3 version of Brütal Legend that would've fixed the save bug. It was ready and all.

Also, Sony charges publishers for any use of PSN bandwidth. When users download games, demos, DLC or anything from PSN, publishers or developers have to pay Sony.

Best places for indie devs are PC, IOS and Android.

The plot even thickens more as Braid, World of Goo and Spelunky devs call the xbox360 handicapped.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/consoles-handicapped-by-corporate-culture-says-braid-creator-6388359

This is an advantage because...

1. It gives M$ more money

2. It gives dev's incentive to do it right the first time

Its a way for microsoft to push quality control and make money in 1 go. Either the game comes out and and only gets patched once, using the freebie patch, or a terrible dev releases a duece and its patched many times and microsft gets money.

win win for microfter, better if they don't need a patch but cashing in if they do.

The plot even thickens more as Braid, World of Goo and Spelunky devs call the xbox360 handicapped.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/consoles-handicapped-by-corporate-culture-says-braid-creator-6388359

DrTrafalgarLaw

That article was about all consoles, not just the 360,muppet,loldelta3074

Here's what Robot Entertainment representative said regarding Orcs Must Die 2:

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OMD2 is a PC exclusive.
We were really happy with the enthusiasm of the XBLA community, but ultimately it was a pretty small group compared to our PC Community. It's unfortunate, but it requires a significant amount of time and resources to port the game to XBLA.

KiZZo1

Whassup lemmons? I thought XBLA was the greatest thing ever, the major selling point of Xbox these days, but you can't even muster more people than the pirate ridden PC? Are you too busy with retail exclusives ... ???!!?!??? Hahahaahahahaahahahahah, what A JOKE !

Hey less of that, I game on PC and I'v never been ridden by a pirate!

lol Warner it wouldn't have been fixed with in 2 weeks it would have been released pirated to hell in back. the game was broken upon release, user out cry, patch, then more user outcry as the patch broke games then another patch would have to be released and likely another one after that.

The developer delivered a broken game, then a broken patch and they did it all in 4 years... most other developers would have taken 2 to release a game like fez that actually worked.

M$ is really a cancer in every way and form only dumb lems who can't think for themselves and that don't care for gaming (only sales) continue to defend this sh1tty company.

Microsoft treats lem the worst.