Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony - June-Sept 2011 - Earnings Results

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Good PS3 numbers, better than I expected. 'Grats Sony.

Nintendo worries me. I just don't see where they are going to go over the long run. All of these gaming devices are going to be interconnected multi-entertainment devices. Sony can leverage its other h/w business and its movie studio for content. MS can leverage its software and networks business. Nintendo does not seem to have a sustainable business model on the h/w side.

Blaze-Agent

Yup. Lets see how well sony does in oct-december. I'd say massive numbers. I was telling you earlier that ps3 was gonna eat severely into the lead this quarter. Either ways. If it was not for kinect ps3 woukd be ahead of 360 WW right now. Microsoft was smart to release it.

Yah, I was surprised. They put up a good 500K more than I thought they would. The price cut must be really working for them in Europe.

It will be interesting to see when MS plays their last card (price cut). It'll probably provide good insight into when exactly they expect to launch 720.

I am ready myself for new hardware anytime.

sony is still lossing money? why are they even in console gaming they have not made a penny off ps3.

sony is still lossing money? why are they even in console gaming they have not made a penny off ps3.

dontshackzmii

L2R?

*Sony and Microsoft's segment income/loss is not necessarily representative of the gaming products as they contain other products.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]PS3 is sitting nicely and comfortably, really not surprised with the plethora of quality exclusives out.kingtito

[QUOTE="Blaze-Agent"]

[QUOTE="SUD123456"]

Good PS3 numbers, better than I expected. 'Grats Sony.

Nintendo worries me. I just don't see where they are going to go over the long run. All of these gaming devices are going to be interconnected multi-entertainment devices. Sony can leverage its other h/w business and its movie studio for content. MS can leverage its software and networks business. Nintendo does not seem to have a sustainable business model on the h/w side.

SUD123456

Yup. Lets see how well sony does in oct-december. I'd say massive numbers. I was telling you earlier that ps3 was gonna eat severely into the lead this quarter. Either ways. If it was not for kinect ps3 woukd be ahead of 360 WW right now. Microsoft was smart to release it.

Yah, I was surprised. They put up a good 500K more than I thought they would. The price cut must be really working for them in Europe.

It will be interesting to see when MS plays their last card (price cut). It'll probably provide good insight into when exactly they expect to launch 720.

I am ready myself for new hardware anytime.

yup yup.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

thats what im saying a year and a few months is not enough to ctch up to the 36o imo

Slashkice

Looking at recent trends, it is actually likely - 2M is around what the gap has closed each of the past two years.

hey anything can happen im not doubting sony one bit i just dont see it happening

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

sony is still lossing money? why are they even in console gaming they have not made a penny off ps3.

KiZZo1

L2R?

*Sony and Microsoft's segment income/loss is not necessarily representative of the gaming products as they contain other products.

you do know sonys divisions do not use each others income right?

Still dont seee Sony outselling MS before this gen ends. They outsold them by what 700k? Next Xbox comes out in two years at the latest. MS will announce a pretty hefty price cut before they release the next Xbox too.

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

sony is still lossing money? why are they even in console gaming they have not made a penny off ps3.

Mario1331

L2R?

*Sony and Microsoft's segment income/loss is not necessarily representative of the gaming products as they contain other products.

you do know sonys divisions do not use each others income right?

The numbers quoted are for "Consumer Products and Services". You do know that there's a lot more than just gaming in there?

Even despite the global hack of its netwprk and bad press for a solid two months, PS3 STILL outsold xbox world wide?

God bless Muricah!!!! eh MS?

lolz, everyone except the folks at nintendo will be getting thier bonuses I guess..

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Heil68"]PS3 is sitting nicely and comfortably, really not surprised with the plethora of quality exclusives out.omho88

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

L2R?

*Sony and Microsoft's segment income/loss is not necessarily representative of the gaming products as they contain other products.

KiZZo1

you do know sonys divisions do not use each others income right?

The numbers quoted are for "Consumer Products and Services". You do know that there's a lot more than just gaming in there?

ofc so idk why you think what they sell on tv effects what they sell in games if their gaming divison dont meet its revenue the execs have the choice to shut it down. not saying sony isnt making a killing with gaming but what they make on tvs or w.e division does not effect what they making on their gaming division

[QUOTE="omho88"] The PS3 has been more expensive than the X360 all these years ... and it's still .... it's even more impressive to know that the difference was 8 million at some point and now it's within 2 million despite the price issues.kingtito

As a $300 system, it's selling relatively comparably to how the PS2 did at the same price point. Sony shipped 28 million PS2 units between March 2000 and March 2002; they shipped 28 million PS3s between July 2009 and June 2011. (I'm not trying to imply the PS3 will come to even a fraction of the PS2 total sales, because it definitely won't happen ever. Just emphasizing the importance of competitive hardware prices and realistic expectations).

As a $400-600 system, it sold poorly, but who is honestly surprised about that? (the funny thing is, had the sytem sold better between 2006 and 2008, Sony would have actually lost more money than they already did due to selling it at such a big loss).

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

you do know sonys divisions do not use each others income right?

Mario1331

The numbers quoted are for "Consumer Products and Services". You do know that there's a lot more than just gaming in there?

ofc so idk why you think what they sell on tv effects what they sell in games if their gaming divison dont meet its revenue the execs have the choice to shut it down. not saying sony isnt making a killing with gaming but what they make on tvs or w.e division does not effect what they making on their gaming division

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

you do know sonys divisions do not use each others income right?

Mario1331

The numbers quoted are for "Consumer Products and Services". You do know that there's a lot more than just gaming in there?

ofc so idk why you think what they sell on tv effects what they sell in games if their gaming divison dont meet its revenue the execs have the choice to shut it down. not saying sony isnt making a killing with gaming but what they make on tvs or w.e division does not effect what they making on their gaming division

I still don't understand where you get the data for gaming only. The figures in the first post are for consumer products. If you have data for their gaming division post it. I was responding to the guy who said that they should stop dealing with gaming because of the losses, but I did not see data for gaming division only.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="omho88"] The PS3 has been more expensive than the X360 all these years ... and it's still .... it's even more impressive to know that the difference was 8 million at some point and now it's within 2 million despite the price issues.SakusEnvoy

As a $300 system, it's selling relatively comparably to how the PS2 did at the same price point. Sony shipped 28 million PS2 units between March 2000 and March 2002; they shipped 28 million PS3s between July 2009 and June 2011.

As a $400-600 system, it sold poorly, but who is honestly surprised about that? (the funny thing is, had the sytem sold better between 2006 and 2008, Sony would have actually lost more money than they already did due to selling it at such a big loss).

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="KiZZo1"]

The numbers quoted are for "Consumer Products and Services". You do know that there's a lot more than just gaming in there?

KiZZo1

ofc so idk why you think what they sell on tv effects what they sell in games if their gaming divison dont meet its revenue the execs have the choice to shut it down. not saying sony isnt making a killing with gaming but what they make on tvs or w.e division does not effect what they making on their gaming division

I still don't understand where you get the data for gaming only. The figures in the first post are for consumer products. If you have data for their gaming division post it. I was responding to the guy who said that they should stop dealing with gaming because of the losses, but I did not see data for gaming division only.

thats what i thought you were referring too that they join all their earnings together if thats not what your prime arguement was then by all means dont mind me thats my mistake

EDIT: i believe the OP listed their earnings for there hardware and software which is their gaming division if im not mistaken actually

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

But price does have a lot to do with it. I don't think anyone really believed that a $600 console would dominate the video game landscape the same way their previous $300 consoles did. Many people assumed the PS3 would be DOA; the press and gamers derided the PS3 long before it even launched.

As a $300 system, it's selling relatively comparably to how the PS2 did at the same price point. Sony shipped 28 million PS2 units between March 2000 and March 2002; they shipped 28 million PS3s between July 2009 and June 2011.

As a $400-600 system, it sold poorly, but who is honestly surprised about that? (the funny thing is, had the sytem sold better between 2006 and 2008, Sony would have actually lost more money than they already did due to selling it at such a big loss).

kingtito

When the PS3 dropped price to $399, the 360 simultaneously dropped price to $279-$349. Microsoft has had a $199 360 model ever since 2008, back when the PS3 still cost $399.

The expectations should be different for higher priced electronics. The fact is that Sony has been able to catch up to them even while having by far the more expensive system and launching a year later. If Sony's accomplishments are "not impressive", I hardly find Microsoft's to be solely based on the fact that the Xbox 1 sold even worse. What happened last-gen is really irrelevant to what happened this gen... the PS3 did not lose market share, because it never had the PS2's market share to begin with.

On the other hand, the Wii was the surprise of this gen, and its hardware sales accomplishments were definitely impressive (at least, for the first 4 years).

[QUOTE="Heil68"]PS3 is sitting nicely and comfortably, really not surprised with the plethora of quality exclusives out.kingtito

LOL, you mad?

Sony's position right now has only proven to the gaming industry they are here to stay and they are still relevent to gaming. The PS brand has only proven to the industry that gamers are still willing to invest on a Playstation brand system. That is why they are sitting nice and comfy. It may have taken Sony about 5 years to almost catching up to 360 but that is still an amazing feat to accomplish.

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

I find that really silly, though, especially if no one else is even releasing a new console. Let's presume Sony and MS actually meant it when they talked about a 10 year lifecycle -- such rules would ultimately benefit the one system that failed to last as long as its competitors, the Wii.

The PS2 hadn't even hit 100 million units when the 360 was first released. Sales of old systems can remain very strong long after a new 'generation' begins; especially, it seems, Sony systems.

In my opinion, the most successful hardware is the one with the most units shipped when it is officially discontinued.

lundy86_4

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Still, the issue arises with a simple question. If the gen doesn't start at the release of the first console, do the sales, until the competitors release their consoles, count? I guess we could have seperate ending/beginning times for generations.

I'm not outright disagreeing. You bring up some good points. I think this was just the easiest way to make the competition "fair" with regards to how SYstem Wars works. Who knows, there could be a better way :P

It doesn't seem 'fair' to arbitrarily cut-off the generation either, essentially benefitting whoever jumps the gun and/or putters out fastest.

EDIT: i believe the OP listed their earnings for there hardware and software which is their gaming division if im not mistaken actually

Mario1331

Microsoft's division contains other devices, and will soon contain Skype.

Sony's contains other consumer products, laptops and TVs.

That's why there's a footnote. :/

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

I find that really silly, though, especially if no one else is even releasing a new console. Let's presume Sony and MS actually meant it when they talked about a 10 year lifecycle -- such rules would ultimately benefit the one system that failed to last as long as its competitors, the Wii.

The PS2 hadn't even hit 100 million units when the 360 was first released. Sales of old systems can remain very strong long after a new 'generation' begins; especially, it seems, Sony systems.

In my opinion, the most successful hardware is the one with the most units shipped when it is officially discontinued.

shinrabanshou

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Still, the issue arises with a simple question. If the gen doesn't start at the release of the first console, do the sales, until the competitors release their consoles, count? I guess we could have seperate ending/beginning times for generations.

I'm not outright disagreeing. You bring up some good points. I think this was just the easiest way to make the competition "fair" with regards to how SYstem Wars works. Who knows, there could be a better way :P

It doesn't seem 'fair' to arbitrarily cut-off the generation either, essentially benefitting whoever jumps the gun and/or putters out fastest.

well thats fine IF the gen doesnt really end but the places of whoever was in 1st 2nd and 3rd should end

In NA and Europe the PS3 is less than the 36o and it is still behind.

kuu2

well thats fine IF the gen doesnt really end but the places of whoever was in 1st 2nd and 3rd should end

Mario1331

The generations are entirely independent of each other, and a new one doesn't necessitate the old one dying off.

Here's a hypothetical:

Nintendo release a WiiU in 2012, it sells 10 million its first year, 5 million in 2013, for a total of 15 million, by the end of 2013.

Microsoft release a 720 a year later, it sells 10 million its first year (2013), 10 million the next (2014), for a total of 20 million and keeps on selling.

Sony release a PS4 in 2014, it sells 15 million its first year and keeps on selling.

The WiiU2 is released in 2014. The WiiU is the best selling console of the eigth generation?

It doesn't make any sense.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="kuu2"]

In NA and Europe the PS3 is less than the 36o and it is still behind.

kuu2

As in total units world wide plus Sony is bleeding money like crazy trying to keep up a good race. Msoft accomplished what it wanted to this generation, gain tons of marketshare, bankrupt Sony, and position itself as a set top box in the living room. I fully expect Msoft to put its boot down on the throat of a struggling Sony company next gen.

Also, lol, at your bizarre imagery and strange pleasure at the thought of the death of a conglomerate.

I said world wide.

I just find it funny that no one lamented the death of Sega and everyone is boohooing about Sony. What is even funnier is that Sega needed Msoft to create the Dreamcast which Sony lied to everyone about saying how much more powerful the PS2 was and out of the ashes of that debacle rose the Xbox. Fast forward to today and the 36o is about to put the Playstation brand out of its misery.

The irony.

kuu2

I don't see anyone here boohooing anything. The company as a whole is still struggling, but the Playstation business is doing okay.

Lol, at the bitterness in this post. You sound rather mad. :)

Also, Samsung Playstation sounds fine, they make good electronics. But rather irrelevant. Samsung are currently investing their resources in solar energy and biomedical technologies.

How does the Samsung Playstation sound? I think it has a nice ring to it.

kuu2

kinda like a nintendo playstation?

just remember nintendo was way down twice in a row and look what happened in a relatively short amount of time

I just find it funny that no one lamented the death of Sega and everyone is boohooing about Sony. What is even funnier is that Sega needed Msoft to create the Dreamcast which Sony lied to everyone about saying how much more powerful the PS2 was and out of the ashes of that debacle rose the Xbox. Fast forward to today and the 36o is about to put the Playstation brand out of its misery.

The irony.

kuu2

You do realise that PS3 has sold about as much as the two previous generations of Nintendo consoles?

And Nintendo are still here.

Maybe the moment of irony will be when MS screws their brand trying to copy the hot stuff at the moment - motion controls.

Not bitter at all. I own a PS3 and several of Sony's products. But, I have also seen Sony go from innovator to bloated over staffed company that makes medicore products and charges an arm and a leg for them.

kuu2

You just descibed practically every company. Sony stopped being an innovator over a decade ago. Most conglomerates and corporations don't innovate, they simply iterate.

I could probably count the corporations that bring out superlative innovative products and charge a pittance for them on one hand.

Looks like the yen exchange rate hurts Sony/Ninty a lot.

Updated with LTDs for PSP and PS2 HW. As well as approx LTDs for SW.

Looks like the yen exchange rate hurts Sony/Ninty a lot.

RavenLoud

Although the CPS division's losses also reflect how poorly they're doing in the TV space right now, and lower margins on PS3's due to the price cut.

Wow it's pretty close.

Wow PS3 might past the 360 by the beginning of 2013 and look at those PS2 sales

Wow, the gap is down to 2.1 million for the PS360 sales battle. The Wii of course, leading with a 30+ million charge. Those yearly's are interesting, especially noting the PSN outage this year.

Thanks for the news Shinra, you do amazing work.

Hmm, odd that MS singles out US for the tie ratio, and interesting that Sony's worldwide tie rate is similar to that number.

They changed the price on the PS3 less than 1 year into it so the $600 agument doesn't work anymore and never really has. The 360 launched at $400 in addition to buying the accessories like wirless network and charger. Fact remains it's taken 6 years to come close and frankly Japan is the only reason it is close. The PS3 has sold just about 6m more in Japan which just happens to be the same figure tha gap as closed by. The almost caught up in sales isn't anywhere near as impressive as what MS and Nintendo have done this gen. Losing big market share, losing money hand over fist for a majority of this gen and losing exlcusives isn't something I'd brad about even if they manage to reach 2nd before the next console comes out. kingtito

Yep, Sony was first last gen and is currently last this gen.

Microsoft, however, came blasting out of the gates this gen, lost the lead and is now coming dangerously close to falling from first to last in a single generation. That's much more impressive.:roll:

Hmm, odd that MS singles out US for the tie ratio, and interesting that Sony's worldwide tie rate is similar to that number.

asylumni

I'm assuming the US tie ratio makes the 360 look better than the global tie ratio. The US is the platform's dominant market, the Japanese tie ratio for example is around 5.3.

So Sony is only behind 2 million-ish? So much for people saying it wouldn't close the gap :P

360 is gonna be last this gen.

ChubbyGuy40

Who cares? Sony went from 1st to last this gen and 6 years in they *might* pass the 360s overall worldwide sales. racing1750

The only thing of consequence to gaming is that hardware sells at a rate sufficient to maintain publisher support, and both are at a level where neither can be ignored in Western markets.

The Japanese market is another story. The disparity actually affects the games that get released on each system (Yakuza for example).

Next generation will be interesting in terms of publisher support, especially if Sony has learned their lessons about not using esoteric architecture for their processor.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

well thats fine IF the gen doesnt really end but the places of whoever was in 1st 2nd and 3rd should end

shinrabanshou

The generations are entirely independent of each other, and a new one doesn't necessitate the old one dying off.

Here's a hypothetical:

Nintendo release a WiiU in 2012, it sells 10 million its first year, 5 million in 2013, for a total of 15 million, by the end of 2013.

Microsoft release a 720 a year later, it sells 10 million its first year (2013), 10 million the next (2014), for a total of 20 million and keeps on selling.

Sony release a PS4 in 2014, it sells 15 million its first year and keeps on selling.

The WiiU2 is released in 2014. The WiiU is the best selling console of the eigth generation?

It doesn't make any sense.

that will never happen and thats extremely hypothetical when that does happen you will have anarguement but once a new gen start the old won places should as well its just going to create more confusion and loopholes on here

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

Looks like the ps3 has a good chance of finally passing the 360 next year.

Allthishate