Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony - June-Sept 2011 - Earnings Results

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#101 shinrabanshou
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that will never happen and thats extremely hypothetical when that does happen you will have anarguement but once a new gen start the old won places should as well its just going to create more confusion and loopholes on here

Mario1331

What you're suggesting creates confusion - the hypothetical isn't even that unlikely - what happens if Microsoft and Sony don't release consoles until 2014, with great technical disparity to the WiiU, and a Wii successor is launched in 2015? Wii U wins a generation by virtue of being the only console on the market for the generation?

What I'm stating mimics actual generations, it doesn't create any loopholes. It follows logic.

A new generation starts when a new generation of consoles is "born." That doesn't mean the older generation stops existing. An old generation dies when it's consoles die - i.e. are discontinued.

That's how generations work, just as in life, they overlap and they're independent.

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#103 ianuilliam
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

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well thats fine IF the gen doesnt really end but the places of whoever was in 1st 2nd and 3rd should end

Mario1331

I don't see why.

The generations are entirely independent of each other, and a new one doesn't necessitate the old one dying off.

Here's a hypothetical:

Nintendo release a WiiU in 2012, it sells 10 million its first year, 5 million in 2013, for a total of 15 million, by the end of 2013.

Microsoft release a 720 a year later, it sells 10 million its first year (2013), 10 million the next (2014), for a total of 20 million and keeps on selling.

Sony release a PS4 in 2014, it sells 15 million its first year and keeps on selling.

The WiiU2 is released in 2014. The WiiU is the best selling console of the eigth generation?

It doesn't make any sense.

that will never happen and thats extremely hypothetical when that does happen you will have anarguement but once a new gen start the old won places should as well its just going to create more confusion and loopholes on here

I don't think its really done that way... When people talk about the PS2 dominating last gen, they cite the 150+ million sold, not the ~100 million or so it had in 2005. In past gens, the differences between first-second-third were pretty big... and didn't change after the next gen started. So its not really that the generation was called as soon as the next started, it's just that the places were pretty much cemented. In this gen, say WiiU came out right now, and we said "Yep, that's it. Wii > 360 > PS3. Final results in." And then PS3 goes on to sell 12-15 million a year for three more years, and then another couple million a year after the PS4 releases, 360 sells another 10-12 million for a year or two before completely jumping over to the "Loop", and Wii sits dead in the water after the WiiU comes out... Why would we still say Wii > 360 > PS3, if it ends up PS3 > Wii > 360? Down the road, people wanting to know which one "won" will look up which sold more, and go by total lifetime sales, not sales up to the date the first system of the next gen came out.

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#105 shinrabanshou
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The fact that you don't know of innovative companies does not mean they don't exist, it just means you can't think of any. It is a limitation on your part.

kuu2

Name an "innovative conglomerate" and why exactly they're so innovative, such that nothing they do is remotely derivative of any prior art. Also, show how exactly whatever innovative product they release to market is sold at an affordable price with incredibly low profit margins for the good of humanity, clearly.

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#106 Mario1331
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that will never happen and thats extremely hypothetical when that does happen you will have anarguement but once a new gen start the old won places should as well its just going to create more confusion and loopholes on here

shinrabanshou

What you're suggesting creates confusion - the hypothetical isn't even that unlikely - what happens if Microsoft and Sony don't release consoles until 2014, with great technical disparity to the WiiU, and a Wii successor is launched in 2015? Wii U wins a generation by virtue of being the only console on the market for the generation?

What I'm stating mimics actual generations, it doesn't create any loopholes. It follows logic.

A new generation starts when a new generation of consoles is "born." That doesn't mean the older generation stops existing. An old generation dies when it's consoles die - i.e. are discontinued.

That's how generations work, just as in life, they overlap and they're independent.

i dont agree but ok i understand your point

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#107 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]I don't see why.

The generations are entirely independent of each other, and a new one doesn't necessitate the old one dying off.

Here's a hypothetical:

Nintendo release a WiiU in 2012, it sells 10 million its first year, 5 million in 2013, for a total of 15 million, by the end of 2013.

Microsoft release a 720 a year later, it sells 10 million its first year (2013), 10 million the next (2014), for a total of 20 million and keeps on selling.

Sony release a PS4 in 2014, it sells 15 million its first year and keeps on selling.

The WiiU2 is released in 2014. The WiiU is the best selling console of the eigth generation?

It doesn't make any sense.

ianuilliam

that will never happen and thats extremely hypothetical when that does happen you will have anarguement but once a new gen start the old won places should as well its just going to create more confusion and loopholes on here

I don't think its really done that way... When people talk about the PS2 dominating last gen, they cite the 150+ million sold, not the ~100 million or so it had in 2005. In past gens, the differences between first-second-third were pretty big... and didn't change after the next gen started. So its not really that the generation was called as soon as the next started, it's just that the places were pretty much cemented. In this gen, say WiiU came out right now, and we said "Yep, that's it. Wii > 360 > PS3. Final results in." And then PS3 goes on to sell 12-15 million a year for three more years, and then another couple million a year after the PS4 releases, 360 sells another 10-12 million for a year or two before completely jumping over to the "Loop", and Wii sits dead in the water after the WiiU comes out... Why would we still say Wii > 360 > PS3, if it ends up PS3 > Wii > 360? Down the road, people wanting to know which one "won" will look up which sold more, and go by total lifetime sales, not sales up to the date the first system of the next gen came out.

i dont agree but we just going to have to agree to disagree

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#109 shinrabanshou
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I don't have to name anything based on your definition of what is innovative and for the "good" of humanity. If you choose to see something that does not exist that is your choice. I can't and won't be able to change your vision no matter what I say. You have to change your vision but it takes you adimitting that you are wrong to do it.

kuu2

You stated Sony are a bloated company with derivative products that are overpriced, in a bitter tone as if they've personally aggrieved you.

I stated that that essentially descibes pretty much every company or conglomerates, which to some degree it does. And that you'd be hard pressed to find the opposite - a company that makes fantastically innovative wares and sells them for a pittance. You said such companies exist - so feel free to provide examples as proof positive.

Corporations derivate from others. And they iteratively improve on innovation long past. "Innovation" does exist, but not nearly to the degree that people harp on about all the time.

I have no idea what the rest of your Deepak Chopra is supposed to mean.