MODS >>>>>>>>>>>>>DLC 56k warning

You guys do realize the reason why consoles do not have mod support is not only because of hardware space but also if mods come to consoles dlc sales might dramatically go down, there are hundreds of good mods and lots of them tend to be better than dlc (Dragon mount in oblivion>>>horse armor). Besides even if devs wanted to allow mod support they can't as M$ and Sony will most likely let them charge for it.

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

99% of mods are crap. Most DLC is worth purchasing.

adamosmaki

Ouch, that's gotta hurt. :)

Give me a DLC that improves framerate by 50% and while increasing the visuals far beyond the default maximum.

I'm not a fan of online gaming, but that has changed recently when a friend introduced me to Zombie Master. That mod is co-op madness, I especially love the death run map. I can say with 100% certainty nothing like this could be successful as a retail product nore could it exist as DLC, only in the modding community can a game as wacky as this one thrive.

Modders are driven by love for something; they are not bound by budgets, work hours or public ethics.

It's way better because of custom costumes? Do you know how insane and idiotic tat sounds?

Mods are cool and all, but come on...

[QUOTE="sleepingzzz"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Do you have an actual counterargument, or do you imagine that just calling me a fanboy somehow makes my argument go away?lowe0

Oblivion vs Quarl's Texture Pack (Free Mod)

New games vs Quarls Texture Pack (Free Mod) upgrade for Oblivion. It Easily lets Oblivion complete with games that came out 3 years after.

Maybe I'm alone on this, but I'd rather pay for professionally developed content that had to go through a certification process than sift through tons of free mods (with whatever QA the mod team felt like setting up) looking for the good ones. I know from experience that software testing is not fun, and if you have the developer do it, they're so familiar with how they use it that they miss bugs that others would encounter. Then again, MS' certification didn't domuch for The Pitt.lowe0

99% of mods are crap. Most DLC is worth purchasing.

EvanTheGamer

I lawled.

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Maybe I'm alone on this, but I'd rather pay for professionally developed content that had to go through a certification process than sift through tons of free mods (with whatever QA the mod team felt like setting up) looking for the good ones. I know from experience that software testing is not fun, and if you have the developer do it, they're so familiar with how they use it that they miss bugs that others would encounter. Then again, MS' certification didn't do much for The Pitt.naval

And as I've already indicated, PC gamers are going to say "well why would you want to limit yourself like that, let alone pay for the privilege?" Answer: because I didn't have to do a damn thing. I plunk down a few bucks, wait a sec for it to download, and I'm off and running. On the rare occasion that something does go wrong (see The Pitt), paying customers scream loudly enough that it gets fixed ASAP. Sounds worth it to me.

Maybe I'm alone on this, but I'd rather pay for professionally developed content that had to go through a certification process than sift through tons of free mods (with whatever QA the mod team felt like setting up) looking for the good ones. I know from experience that software testing is not fun, and if you have the developer do it, they're so familiar with how they use it that they miss bugs that others would encounter. Then again, MS' certification didn't do much for The Pitt.lowe0

Well mods are free and DLC isn't. Not to mention alot of people review mods and you can normally find the more popular ones with ease.

]Yawn. What part of that didn't I cover in the post you quoted? I could go out and look for mods I want, or I could just pay a little money for something that's polished, tested, and (in the case of multiplayer) works on the developer's playlists so I don't have to go out and find a server that's running ilowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Maybe I'm alone on this, but I'd rather pay for professionally developed content that had to go through a certification process than sift through tons of free mods (with whatever QA the mod team felt like setting up) looking for the good ones. I know from experience that software testing is not fun, and if you have the developer do it, they're so familiar with how they use it that they miss bugs that others would encounter. Then again, MS' certification didn't do much for The Pitt.Espada12

Well mods are free and DLC isn't. Not to mention alot of people review mods and you can normally find the more popular ones with ease.

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

99% of mods are crap. Most DLC is worth purchasing.

Espada12

I lawled.

Yawn. What part of that didn't I cover in the post you quoted? I could go out and look for mods I want, sift through reviews or try it out to filter our the crap, and wait for fixes for any bugs in it. Or, I could just pay a little money for something that's polished, tested, and (in the case of multiplayer) works on the developer's playlists so I don't have to go out and find a server that's running it.

And as I've already indicated, PC gamers are going to say "well why would you want to limit yourself like that, let alone pay for the privilege?" Answer: because I didn't have to do a damn thing. I plunk down a few bucks, wait a sec for it to download, and I'm off and running. On the rare occasion that something does go wrong (see The Pitt), paying customers scream loudly enough that it gets fixed ASAP. Sounds worth it to me.

lowe0

Meh. Oblivion looked fine right out of the box, and since I played it on a console, the devs had pretty much wrung everything they were going to get out of the hardware anyway (I didn't see a big difference with the "OMG port the shaders from PS3" patch). My point is, on PC, you go out and put together the game experience you want. On a console, I can sit back and the developer provides something to me, with absolutely zero effort on my part. A lot of PC gamers go "well, why the hell would you want that?" It's simply an entirely different mentality from console gaming. lowe0

10-15 minutes of search cab easily give you a mod which can be much better than a DLC made for quick buck, bugfree and will provide many more hours of game play (granted this is not true for all games) . Thank god, pc gamers don't mind a few minutes of research to get the best experience possible, rather just simply downloading what's provided by the dev. naval

And it's not like it's mandatory, either. You could tell just from the title that "Horse Armor" probably isn't worth $2.50. Same goes for the cheat codes EA tries to pass off as DLC. On the other hand, developers like Criterion have established a track record for good content (a lot of it free) - it's quite easy to look at their content and decide if it's worth it (Big Surf Island) or not (Boost Specials).

99% of mods still leaves thousands of good ones that will make your game great...i remember when i took time to make oblivion what i wanted it to be, there were giants to fight, real noise detection with guards that made sneaking and stealth kills much more effective, new spells, better looks, improved combat, everything really...

the game just can't be played on anything else that a pc because of mod support...its nothing without them (if you tryed them that is)

And yes dlc is a good adition but the only way im getting any is through goty editions...fallout 3 is the next game i'm getting as GOTY

]Blech. Pizza has four components - dough, cheese, sausage, and crushed tomatoes. And you put them on in that order. Anything else is blasphemy. :)lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]]Blech. Pizza has four components - dough, cheese, sausage, and crushed tomatoes. And you put them on in that order. Anything else is blasphemy. :)Vandalvideo

What about the hamburger? My aunt makes it with that as well and it's soo good @_@

[QUOTE="lowe0"]]Blech. Pizza has four components - dough, cheese, sausage, and crushed tomatoes. And you put them on in that order. Anything else is blasphemy. :)Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="naval"]10-15 minutes of search cab easily give you a mod which can be much better than a DLC made for quick buck, bugfree and will provide many more hours of game play (granted this is not true for all games) . Thank god, pc gamers don't mind a few minutes of research to get the best experience possible, rather just simply downloading what's provided by the dev. lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="naval"]10-15 minutes of search cab easily give you a mod which can be much better than a DLC made for quick buck, bugfree and will provide many more hours of game play (granted this is not true for all games) . Thank god, pc gamers don't mind a few minutes of research to get the best experience possible, rather just simply downloading what's provided by the dev. naval

My point was that you can pay for convenience or put in the effort yourself. The world's like that all over... cooking dinner, changing your oil, washing your car, etc.. DLC is just that same concept applied to game content.lowe0

and my point was the effort you put in is negligible compare to the time you enjoy in case of the mods.

for example if I am planning to play something for the next 5-10 hours, isn't worthwhile to put 15 minutes into research so that you get more out of those hours (in other words you utilize your 5-10 hours more effectively if you put 15 minutes of effort in the beginning ).

Obviously, if the required work was a chore or took a lot of time compared to the duration for which yu will utilize the end product or required some special skillset like in teh case of "cooking dinner, changing your oil, washing your car," , then yeah it can be not so useful (in other words a 2 hours of research so that you utilize your 5-10 hours better may not be worth it).

Secondly, I would say even with DLC a little bit research should be done. Consider another scenario, you just buy a DLC without knowing anything about it and midway after 1-2 hour you realize it's not worth it -- so in this case did you saved few minutes or wasted few hours ? (I know research will never elimitae such scenario totally, but it will drastically reduce the chances)

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Does anyone else find it ironic that PC fanboys here lined up to call Mass Effect for the 360 the "beta test" and laughed that anyone would play that "buggy version"... But are here espousing the virtues of frequently buggy mods that don't have a fraction of the quality testing of a professionally developed game? And keep in mind, I'm a *long* term PC gamer. Mods are great - but, there are a lot of hitches with them that (I had my entire computer wiped clean with an EQ mod, so I've been leery of them ever since) PC fanboys just won't mention or admit in system wars. Take them for what they are - a lot of crap with a few gems sitting on the pile. And even the gems tend to be lacking in a few areas (Day of Defeat for Source, for instance - great game, but *way* more buggy than HL or any Valve released game was, and also more buggy than the often laughed at Mass Effect - but PC fanboys lined up to praise it, despite the bugs, and willingly partook in that "beta test")True_Gamer_

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Does anyone else find it ironic that PC fanboys here lined up to call Mass Effect for the 360 the "beta test" and laughed that anyone would play that "buggy version"... But are here espousing the virtues of frequently buggy mods that don't have a fraction of the quality testing of a professionally developed game? And keep in mind, I'm a *long* term PC gamer. Mods are great - but, there are a lot of hitches with them that (I had my entire computer wiped clean with an EQ mod, so I've been leery of them ever since) PC fanboys just won't mention or admit in system wars. Take them for what they are - a lot of crap with a few gems sitting on the pile. And even the gems tend to be lacking in a few areas (Day of Defeat for Source, for instance - great game, but *way* more buggy than HL or any Valve released game was, and also more buggy than the often laughed at Mass Effect - but PC fanboys lined up to praise it, despite the bugs, and willingly partook in that "beta test")Shafftehr

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"]Does anyone else find it ironic that PC fanboys here lined up to call Mass Effect for the 360 the "beta test" and laughed that anyone would play that "buggy version"... But are here espousing the virtues of frequently buggy mods that don't have a fraction of the quality testing of a professionally developed game? And keep in mind, I'm a *long* term PC gamer. Mods are great - but, there are a lot of hitches with them that (I had my entire computer wiped clean with an EQ mod, so I've been leery of them ever since) PC fanboys just won't mention or admit in system wars. Take them for what they are - a lot of crap with a few gems sitting on the pile. And even the gems tend to be lacking in a few areas (Day of Defeat for Source, for instance - great game, but *way* more buggy than HL or any Valve released game was, and also more buggy than the often laughed at Mass Effect - but PC fanboys lined up to praise it, despite the bugs, and willingly partook in that "beta test")Shafftehr

I agree to an extent mods have thier disadvantages to dev content, fortunately most games have a couple awesome mods each to keep my entertained, some even fix or improve the game visually or in terms of stability.. or controls etc (basically doing dev work for the devs D:)

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="naval"] Well I have never ordered pizza since I don't like it .... but if I liked it I can go either way. The example you gave is not correct does not fits the current context, 15 minutes to make a pizza which will take around 15-30 minutes to eat, whereas 15 minutes to research will enhance you experience from next 5-10 hours (on an average) . If the pizza I made would have lasted for 5 hrs and been better, I would have always made it my self. Secondly (this is just my guess since I don't know much about making pizza) for making pizza you need special ingredients which you may not always have and whereas for checking out reviews you just need PC and a net which are more readily available. Thirdly, for making a pizza you need cooking knowledge and skill where as for reviews you should know how to read and how to use Google. So, see the difference ?True_Gamer_

You can't. That's part of the tradeoff - if it's not commercially viable, then no one's going to offer it as DLC. Don't like it? Then console gaming's not going to suit you.

lowe0

Thats why this thread exist, it shows:

MODS>>>DLC

Why? Because dlc does not offer the same thing as mods, dlc is limited to the developers creativity.

[QUOTE="naval"]10-15 minutes of search cab easily give you a mod which can be much better than a DLC made for quick buck, bugfree and will provide many more hours of game play (granted this is not true for all games) . Thank god, pc gamers don't mind a few minutes of research to get the best experience possible, rather just simply downloading what's provided by the dev. lowe0

this blows any DLC out of the water

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTcNL7dU_vA

and

http://md2.ucoz.com/index/0-6

mods >>>> dlc anytime

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

[QUOTE="Dead-Memories"] We've known this for a while now. But SF4 for the PC is only good if you have the joystick.anshul89

Doesn't the same apply for all versions? I mean PC can use controllers too if you wish.

Wow u give us SF4 characters in underwear :|? Why didnt u post a video from NeoTokyo instead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHHGNkKL_PM&feature=related KRATOS vs EVIL KEN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zny80cO4WNM&feature=related SSJ GOku VS Buu

TC could've used a better example than just skins for SFIV but I agree: Mods >>>> DLC. Where DLC mostly expands a certain game (i.e. Fallout 3 DLC, GTA IV DLC) there is also a lot of DLC used to milk people (horse armor, themes, gamer pictures, costumes, and lots more). Mods on the other hand can sometimes change a game dramatically (Counter strike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress, Third Age: Total War, ...) and are 100% free.

theres a difference between DLC and mods? last i checked both were...Downloadable content....