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#151 HalcyonScarlet
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@AzatiS said:
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Well Blu Rays aren't cheap either and I can't speak for the PS4. But loading times for the Xbox One were still a bit shit tbh.

Also, since we know nothing about the console, criticising Nintendo's storage medium seems out of context to me.

I don't care. I'm happy with my Wii U, so I'm going back to Nintendo now. I think Nintendo and the PC will easily cover all my gaming needs.

Thats the problem right there im talking about !!Fine example ! You REALLY dont care enough to call out your favorite company to make things right out of fanboyism. Thats what is happening to Nintendo since N64 ( let alone many other big companies )

You shouldnt be happy about the state Wii U is the last 2 years NOR about Wii U sales , NOR about Nintendos $ losses over it , NOR about the serious lack of games aside few great 1st parties over 3-4 years lifespan , NOR about the total amount of games , NOR about variety/quantity of games , NOR about online capabilities , NOR about hardware overall that drives 3rd party away, NOR that Wii U couldnt stand as primary platform , NOR about the pricey hardware AND software when system is in a life support for years and the list goes on and on. As a dedicated fan how the hell youre happy about all those things ?

You my friend , like everyone else like you , is the reason why Nintendo consoles are in the state they are the last decade let alone are near to their permanently death.

Waaaay too many assumptions about me and Nintendo. I've only had a Wii U for about a week. And after the shit show that is the Xbox One, I am happy with the Wii U.

Nintendo didn't need calling out with the N64, how were they going to instantly react to such big changes and competition, and it was a great console. The GameCube on the other hand SUCKS, so they did need calling out with that. And I'm only just starting to appreciate some of the Wii gems after all this time.

As a PC gamer, Nintendo home consoles are fine for me. They fill a gap in my gaming needs, that's it. When they want to wake up and make changes, fine, great, but I'm just done complaining about it for now. When I say I'm happy with the Wii u, I mean, I'm happy with the console for me. I'm well aware of the problems. But what do you want, a petition? What is going to make them take notice.

Favourite company of mine, Nintendo are not. But what's left, I'm done with Xbox and both Xbox and Playstation are going to start banging out new consoles every two or so years, and I'm not into that nonsense. Plus a great deal of the games on those consoles are also on the PC.

No, Nintendo are the reason Nintendo are like Nintendo lol. Don't blame me for their business. That's actually the opposite of fanboyism, I'm not up in Nintendo's business, just enjoying their games right now. But I never said they didn't have a ways to go.

Dont take it personally. If you are happy with what you get , its fine. But to say you dont care is other thing.

Nintendos N64 was the start of downfall. A fine example of what im talking about. N64 cartridge choice led to a BIG LOSS of classic exclusives to competition AND N64 architecture was a nightmare for developers which made things even more complicated. N64 sales overall also were decent at best. If we add every N64 problem N64 overall was far from great.

Now if you are not fan and you having Wii U only to fill a gap , thats fine. Thats all Wii U is in the first place. Even Ex-CEO himself called it a secondary platform , nuff said.

I agree with PS/Xbox 3 year cycle feel nonsense to alot of people. In the meantime PC gamers will get benefits from this since all this RAW power will get in use from 3rd parties.

I wont blame you for Nintendo since you are not a dedicated fan , i thought you were. But i blame the Nintendo fans overall for Nintendos current console state.

But you're taking what I said out of context a bit. I said we don't know the context of the cartridge use since we know nothing about the NX. So right now, I don't care too much about that, I'm just enjoying the Wii U for what it is. I got one second hand.

Until we know anything about the NX, how can we judge Nintendo and what their positions they may be taking.

Did the ex-CEO call it a secondary system from the beggining or later on when it was clear things weren't going well?

The N64 was the best it could have been at the time, but not from all angles, Nintendo chose to give us a great gaming platform rather than a poor performing optical medium platform which to be honest was mostly beneficial for FMV and audio. The CD may have allowed developers to bang games out, but it was super slow, and not well used for games at the time since RAM amount was low and their was no console storage. The PC used them better because it could install.

I just don't agree with the idea of constantly upgrading my home consoles every few years. It is absolutely not for me. I can see the irony as I would happily upgrade my PC parts when I need to, but I like to buy one console box for that generation and that's it. That's what it should be about, the hardware should be a one time barrier to getting access to the software at the best it can get on that system for the whole generation.

I'm a Nintendo fan, as in I respect them and enjoy their games. I'm not dedicated. I don't really buy their handhelds anymore either and I don't think they can do no wrong.

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#152  Edited By doubutsuteki
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Nintendos N64 was the start of downfall. A fine example of what im talking about. N64 cartridge choice led to a BIG LOSS of classic exclusives to competition AND N64 architecture was a nightmare for developers which made things even more complicated. N64 sales overall also were decent at best. If we add every N64 problem N64 overall was far from great.

I'd like to add the fact that Nintendo's own controllers sucked. The analogue sticks always got ruined after a short while. It's a rare occasion when third party controllers beat the first party controllers for a system, but on the N64 that's how it was.

There were also no decent games coming out in certain genres. Classic shmups, beat'em ups and RPG:s were almost completely absent. Sports games, racing games, first person shooters and 3D platformers though, it had. Apart from a handful or two of decent games the system was filled with mediocre games and shovelware.

In Japan, even the Sega Saturn outsold the N64 (it wasn't such a bad console for the japanese market at all; it was the american and european arms of Sega who screwed it up for the Saturn in those markets).

Yeah , i agree !

Also it was a single game that saved N64 from a tragedy sales wise , SMASH BROS , which was a huge system seller in US.

All in all , Nintendo fans thinking N64 as great because of those 3-4 gems like Mario 64 , Zelda etc. But aside those undoubtedly diamonds for their era , N64 failed in every other way. Total sales , hardware choices , price , loss of serious 3rd party support to epic exclusive losses. Also in N64 era we started having this " We go into life support early " and all that while SNES was a success which led to a huge fanbase out there ready to jump on N64 which never happened.

So , great ? Naaaaaaaah .

Yeah, it was a disappointment almost right of the bat. Super Mario 64 was great, sure. But it became obvious almost immediately that there was a serious drought of support for the console. Once in a while a great game came about, but they were few and far between. The console only had about a 3½ year run, really, before it was all over. Not even half as many games came out for the N64 as for the SNES, which would have been fine with me if the overall quality had been higher than on its predecessor. It was not. It was the other way around. Games were also much more expensive to buy than games for the PlayStation.

The N64 had one strength though, in its time; it had the best hardware and it was the most capable console for 3D graphics by far. Something the Wii didn't have and that the Wii U doesn't have.

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#153 Pedro
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@Pedro: You on the other hand , bypassing Nintendos current console situation AND what negative impact a USB/Flash/SD might have for NX where it hurts most , 3rd party games that is , to tell us how faster it is than BDs or other fans talking about how USBs aint getting scratched like Discs do etc ..

Like Nintendo with NX , needs to do things more complicated for 3rd party developers than they are for the sake of SPEED and SCRATCHING.

Keep defending Nintendo choices and you might see Mario and Zelda on PS5 if thats what you want or having another 3 years old cycle console etc ... Its up to you fans , let everything pass as a good thing and lets see what happens for a 5th generation in a row

If only you knew my stance on Nintendo you would know that all of your assumptions are wrong. That is why its always important to read things in context and not derive fantasy meaning. You did not take a second to notice that no defense argument was made for or against with regards to Nintendo's viability in the future but yet you continue as if I am arguing with you. Thats rather nonsensical.

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#154 AzatiS
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@doubutsuteki said:
@AzatiS said:
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Nintendos N64 was the start of downfall. A fine example of what im talking about. N64 cartridge choice led to a BIG LOSS of classic exclusives to competition AND N64 architecture was a nightmare for developers which made things even more complicated. N64 sales overall also were decent at best. If we add every N64 problem N64 overall was far from great.

I'd like to add the fact that Nintendo's own controllers sucked. The analogue sticks always got ruined after a short while. It's a rare occasion when third party controllers beat the first party controllers for a system, but on the N64 that's how it was.

There were also no decent games coming out in certain genres. Classic shmups, beat'em ups and RPG:s were almost completely absent. Sports games, racing games, first person shooters and 3D platformers though, it had. Apart from a handful or two of decent games the system was filled with mediocre games and shovelware.

In Japan, even the Sega Saturn outsold the N64 (it wasn't such a bad console for the japanese market at all; it was the american and european arms of Sega who screwed it up for the Saturn in those markets).

Yeah , i agree !

Also it was a single game that saved N64 from a tragedy sales wise , SMASH BROS , which was a huge system seller in US.

All in all , Nintendo fans thinking N64 as great because of those 3-4 gems like Mario 64 , Zelda etc. But aside those undoubtedly diamonds for their era , N64 failed in every other way. Total sales , hardware choices , price , loss of serious 3rd party support to epic exclusive losses. Also in N64 era we started having this " We go into life support early " and all that while SNES was a success which led to a huge fanbase out there ready to jump on N64 which never happened.

So , great ? Naaaaaaaah .

Yeah, it was a disappointment almost right of the bat. Super Mario 64 was great, sure. But it became obvious almost immediately that there was a serious drought of support for the console. Once in a while a great game came about, but they were few and far between. The console only had about a 3½ year run, really, before it was all over. Not even half as many games came out for the N64 as for the SNES, which would have been fine with me if the overall quality had been higher than on its predecessor. It was not. It was the other way around. Games were also much more expensive to buy than games for the PlayStation.

The N64 had one strength though, in its time; it had the best hardware and it was the most capable console for 3D graphics by far. Something the Wii didn't have and that the Wii U doesn't have.

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#155 madsnakehhh
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I'm really curious about this...as far as i know, cartridges are in a better place than the last decade, they have improved speed and if the predictions are correct, they will also be able to storage 1TB in the near future...so honestly i don't mind Nintendo going this way, so yeah, definitely interested to know more about this because it seems Optical Media are on their way out.

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Thought I'd add this video, he makes some great points.

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#158 Pedro
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If Nintendo goes the Cartridge route I hope it allows for more than one cartridge at a time. It would be silly to only allow one cartridge to be in the system at time especially since the size would be so smaller.

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#159 HalcyonScarlet
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@Pedro said:

If Nintendo goes the Cartridge route I hope it allows for more than one cartridge at a time. It would be silly to only allow one cartridge to be in the system at time especially since the size would be so smaller.

How many games do you want to play at once?