More proof consoles are holding back the potential of PC.

If consoles hold back PC then so do the 95% of PC gamers who can't/won't upgrade. It might seem like there are a lot of people on this forum who have solid rigs but they are a minority when you consider the whole of PC gaming, albeit a vocal one.

whiskeystrike

No, because no PC dev (or at least not anywhere near the majority unlike console) is holding back their games for PC gamers with crap rigs, I see your point, but its a non-issue, and nowhere near 95% of PC GAMERS (if you are talking PC owners who don't game that's just unfair and stupid to include them) are unwilling to upgrade, so many stupid blanket statements and falsehoods I have heard from console sympathizers, I guess I could add this one to the collection of idiotic statements.

If consoles hold back PC then so do the 95% of PC gamers who can't/won't upgrade. It might seem like there are a lot of people on this forum who have solid rigs but they are a minority when you consider the whole of PC gaming, albeit a vocal one.

whiskeystrike

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

If consoles hold back PC then so do the 95% of PC gamers who can't/won't upgrade. It might seem like there are a lot of people on this forum who have solid rigs but they are a minority when you consider the whole of PC gaming, albeit a vocal one.

Stalkerfieldsis

No, because no PC dev (or at least not anywhere near the majority unlike console) is holding back their games for PC gamers with crap rigs, I see your point, but its a non-issue, and nowhere near 95% of PC GAMERS (if you are talking PC owners who don't game that's just unfair and stupid to include them) are unwilling to upgrade, so many stupid blanket statements and falsehoods I have heard from console sympathizers, I guess I could add this one to the collection of idiotic statements.

Oh my god the insults, I think I'm gonna cry. You've hurt my feelings, you person over the internet you.

Haha there's alot of hypocrites in this thread. When consoles dumb down PC games they tell PC gamers to suck it up, yet cry rivers of tears when their favourite console franchise is dumb downed for the masses.

Cry harder dude, I'm sure that will change things and make what you say true instead of, you know, the childish whining it actually is.

SPYDER0416

How is it not true?

Or are you just saying this because the fact I'm right makes you butthurt? Seriously, how is it not true?

Does anyone ever provide proof or logic when making stupid statements like the one you just made? MY GOD!!!

Since when did reasonable, informed complaints become "crying"? Are we just supposed to be submissive p*ssies when it comes to game makers screwing us and giving us crap for our money?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Do you really think that once the engine and gamepaly is developed, it cost any major ammount of money to make the maps bigger? I bet the mony spent on adverisements is multiple times greater than what they would spend on making them aps much larger, plus, if the game was more up to PCstandards, the PC version would see even more sales than it has already so while it would still take a decrease from exlcuding consoles it would likely see a large boost in PC sales.

And yes, you are right I could just play those games you listed, but...I have loved BF for years, and I can see how easily BF3's shortcomings could be avoided, as well as the fact that this is just unfair, this was PC's franchise, it was better, why do you consoles have to take our franchises and ruin them? Would you not be upset if hypothetically alot of console exclusives got ruined somehow directly because dev's made it for PC as well? It's a legitimate complaint, PC was the platform where the franchise worked best, PC was the platform that supported the growth and success of the franchise, why turn their backs on PC and disappoint them when the disappojntment could be reasonably avoided?

Stalkerfieldsis

A summary of my Theoretical PC exclusive BF3:

A very popular, beloved exclusive PC franchise sequel coming years since its last PC installment with lots of fans.

Sounds like Diablo 3, which made millions in its first week, if you make a game that isn't watered down console crap and disappointing, it will sell just fine, remember, PC almost makes more than all consoles combined, and makes more than any single console, you are once again under the false belief that PC is far too small to bring in crazy sales, a very ignorant belief, like I said, the budget would not be anywhere near big enough to ruin profit.

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Cry harder dude, I'm sure that will change things and make what you say true instead of, you know, the childish whining it actually is.

Stalkerfieldsis

How is it not true?

Or are you just saying this because the fact I'm right makes you butthurt? Seriously, how is it not true?

Does anyone ever provide proof or logic when making stupid statements like the one you just made? MY GOD!!!

Since when did reasonable, informed complaints become "crying"? Are we just supposed to be submissive p*ssies when it comes to game makers screwing us and giving us crap for our money?

are u ok

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I'm saying that they wouldn't have got the money to develop the engine and game content in the first place without being able to sell 10M+ copies, and they weren't going to do that on PC alone, or even on both consoles alone. And I really don't see what right I would have to complain. I didn't pay to develop the franchise, I didn't develop it, I don't own it. Games belong to their developers and publishers, not the fans.lowe0

A summary of my Theoretical PC exclusive BF3:

A very popular, beloved exclusive PC franchise sequel coming years since its last PC installment with lots of fans.

Sounds like Diablo 3, which made millions in its first week, if you make a game that isn't watered down console crap and disappointing, it will sell just fine, remember, PC almost makes more than all consoles combined, and makes more than any single console, you are once again under the false belief that PC is far too small to bring in crazy sales, a very ignorant belief, like I said, the budget would not be anywhere near big enough to ruin profit.

Yes, and similar slaes could be achieved on PC if DICE gave us a truly quality product.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

A summary of my Theoretical PC exclusive BF3:

A very popular, beloved exclusive PC franchise sequel coming years since its last PC installment with lots of fans.

Sounds like Diablo 3, which made millions in its first week, if you make a game that isn't watered down console crap and disappointing, it will sell just fine, remember, PC almost makes more than all consoles combined, and makes more than any single console, you are once again under the false belief that PC is far too small to bring in crazy sales, a very ignorant belief, like I said, the budget would not be anywhere near big enough to ruin profit.

Stalkerfieldsis

Yes, and similar slaes could be achieved on PC if DICE gave us a truly quality product.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Cry harder dude, I'm sure that will change things and make what you say true instead of, you know, the childish whining it actually is.

whiskeystrike

How is it not true?

Or are you just saying this because the fact I'm right makes you butthurt? Seriously, how is it not true?

Does anyone ever provide proof or logic when making stupid statements like the one you just made? MY GOD!!!

Since when did reasonable, informed complaints become "crying"? Are we just supposed to be submissive p*ssies when it comes to game makers screwing us and giving us crap for our money?

are u ok

Yes, because I'm the one who's head ISN'T UP HIS *SS and making stupid blanket statements without any logic or factual basis. So yah, I'M just fine, the people I'm arguing with, there is clearly something wrong with them.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Cry harder dude, I'm sure that will change things and make what you say true instead of, you know, the childish whining it actually is.

whiskeystrike

How is it not true?

Or are you just saying this because the fact I'm right makes you butthurt? Seriously, how is it not true?

Does anyone ever provide proof or logic when making stupid statements like the one you just made? MY GOD!!!

Since when did reasonable, informed complaints become "crying"? Are we just supposed to be submissive p*ssies when it comes to game makers screwing us and giving us crap for our money?

are u ok

I can almost imagine the rage in his face as he blames consoles for war and famine and talks about how PC gamers were WAY better when they were huge and buggy.

I mean, its not like Armored Kill is introducing the biggest BF map or anything right? If it was, then wouldn't that mean TC isn't very smart in his argument here?

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Selling "fine" isn't nearly good enough. You're talking about foregoing $300M in revenue... that's got to come from somewhere. And that's not even accounting for ongoing revenue like DLC, unlocks, and premium services. Gaming is big business now.Nanomage

Yes, and similar slaes could be achieved on PC if DICE gave us a truly quality product.

You're right, I mean, we should just trust lowe0, he's never shown to be nonsensical or have a biased against PC, he's totally right!! XD

Hey lowe0, how's that ripoff "$840" GPU purchase serving you XD loloololololol consumer fail and/or blatant troll lie for the lose!

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

How is it not true?

Or are you just saying this because the fact I'm right makes you butthurt? Seriously, how is it not true?

Does anyone ever provide proof or logic when making stupid statements like the one you just made? MY GOD!!!

Since when did reasonable, informed complaints become "crying"? Are we just supposed to be submissive p*ssies when it comes to game makers screwing us and giving us crap for our money?

Stalkerfieldsis

are u ok

Yes, because I'm the one who's head ISN'T UP HIS *SS and making stupid blanket statements without any logic or factual basis. So yah, I'M just fine, the people I'm arguing with, there is clearly something wrong with them.

more insults, whatever will i do?

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

How is it not true?

Or are you just saying this because the fact I'm right makes you butthurt? Seriously, how is it not true?

Does anyone ever provide proof or logic when making stupid statements like the one you just made? MY GOD!!!

Since when did reasonable, informed complaints become "crying"? Are we just supposed to be submissive p*ssies when it comes to game makers screwing us and giving us crap for our money?

SPYDER0416

are u ok

I can almost imagine the rage in his face as he blames consoles for war and famine and talks about how PC gamers were WAY better when they were huge and buggy.

I mean, its not like Armored Kill is introducing the biggest BF map or anything right? If it was, then wouldn't that mean TC isn't very smart in his argument here?

Yeah because DICE hasn't broken buttloads of promises already or anything...

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

are u ok

whiskeystrike

Yes, because I'm the one who's head ISN'T UP HIS *SS and making stupid blanket statements without any logic or factual basis. So yah, I'M just fine, the people I'm arguing with, there is clearly something wrong with them.

more insults, whatever will i do?

Leave maybe? That would surely assist in the progression of logical discussion here.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Yes, because I'm the one who's head ISN'T UP HIS *SS and making stupid blanket statements without any logic or factual basis. So yah, I'M just fine, the people I'm arguing with, there is clearly something wrong with them.

Stalkerfieldsis

more insults, whatever will i do?

Leave maybe? That would surely assist in the progression of logical discussion here.

you are the one who started insulting people. logical discussion stopped there. what are you expecting out of this thread? people to just go buy gaming pcs and stop playing consoles? people to apologize to you? get over yourself guy, everyone who isnt a casual gamer is getting screwed over these days. i hate origin but love mass effect... still not gonna buy me3. no tears here.

[QUOTE="Nanomage"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Yes, and similar slaes could be achieved on PC if DICE gave us a truly quality product.

Stalkerfieldsis

You're right, I mean, we should just trust lowe0, he's never shown to be nonsensical or have a biased against PC, he's totally right!! XD

Hey lowe0, how's that ripoff "$840" GPU purchase serving you XD loloololololol consumer fail and/or blatant troll lie for the lose!

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="Nanomage"] Yeah,I mean it´s not like Battlefield 2 sold around 12 million copies on the PC alone.lowe0

You're right, I mean, we should just trust lowe0, he's never shown to be nonsensical or have a biased against PC, he's totally right!! XD

Hey lowe0, how's that ripoff "$840" GPU purchase serving you XD loloololololol consumer fail and/or blatant troll lie for the lose!

I said it was EITHER a lie OR a ripoff, if you are being honest its a rip off not a lie, seeing as you could have gotten similar performance out of a single $500 or $700 card, even then its almost more power than you would need with a single display, but you contnue to parade around with your nonsense saying "these PC gamers are lying about PC not being that expensive because my gullibe butt spent $840 on my GPU setup alone [paraphrasing...lol]".

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

more insults, whatever will i do?

whiskeystrike

Leave maybe? That would surely assist in the progression of logical discussion here.

you are the one who started insulting people. logical discussion stopped there. what are you expecting out of this thread? people to just go buy gaming pcs and stop playing consoles? people to apologize to you? get over yourself guy, everyone who isnt a casual gamer is getting screwed over these days. i hate origin but love mass effect... still not gonna buy me3. no tears here.

There ya go, that's it...yes, I want people to pay for a better $600 to $800 device that is actually the same price or cheaper than a console setup because it replaces multiple devices and then people would get better gaming experiences and the industry would move along in a better direction.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

more insults, whatever will i do?

whiskeystrike

Leave maybe? That would surely assist in the progression of logical discussion here.

you are the one who started insulting people. logical discussion stopped there. what are you expecting out of this thread? people to just go buy gaming pcs and stop playing consoles? people to apologize to you? get over yourself guy, everyone who isnt a casual gamer is getting screwed over these days. i hate origin but love mass effect... still not gonna buy me3. no tears here.

If the truth insults people, it doesn't make it incorrect, illogical, or untrue. That's why the concept of "political correctness" is so idiotic.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

You're right, I mean, we should just trust lowe0, he's never shown to be nonsensical or have a biased against PC, he's totally right!! XD

Hey lowe0, how's that ripoff "$840" GPU purchase serving you XD loloololololol consumer fail and/or blatant troll lie for the lose!

Stalkerfieldsis

I said it was EITHER a lie OR a ripoff, if you are being honest its a rip off not a lie, seeing as you could have gotten similar performance out of a single $500 or $700 card, even then its almost more power than you would need with a single display, but you contnue to parade around with your nonsense saying "these PC gamers are lying about PC not being that expensive because my gullibe butt spent $840 on my GPU setup alone [paraphrasing...lol]".

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

more insults, whatever will i do?

whiskeystrike

Leave maybe? That would surely assist in the progression of logical discussion here.

you are the one who started insulting people. logical discussion stopped there. what are you expecting out of this thread? people to just go buy gaming pcs and stop playing consoles? people to apologize to you? get over yourself guy, everyone who isnt a casual gamer is getting screwed over these days. i hate origin but love mass effect... still not gonna buy me3. no tears here.

/thread

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] That's the list price. They bumped me up from SCs to FTWs due to a QA mix up, so I'd hardly call getting a pair of $470 each GPUs for $840 a ripoff. As for the other half of your statement where you accuse me of lying, I'd be happy to prove you wrong when I get home in a couple of hours (I was in Chicago for the weekend).lowe0

I said it was EITHER a lie OR a ripoff, if you are being honest its a rip off not a lie, seeing as you could have gotten similar performance out of a single $500 or $700 card, even then its almost more power than you would need with a single display, but you contnue to parade around with your nonsense saying "these PC gamers are lying about PC not being that expensive because my gullibe butt spent $840 on my GPU setup alone [paraphrasing...lol]".

Doesn't matter, you were preaching to console supporters that PC was actually quite expensive and trying to disprove that you can get a good PC for a reasonable price by using your over-the-top PC that isn't representative at all of what is normal and will work just fine for games as proof.

Hypothetical Example: "No, you guys are lying, you can't get a decent new car for under $20k, my Bugatti Veyron cost millions."

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

I said it was EITHER a lie OR a ripoff, if you are being honest its a rip off not a lie, seeing as you could have gotten similar performance out of a single $500 or $700 card, even then its almost more power than you would need with a single display, but you contnue to parade around with your nonsense saying "these PC gamers are lying about PC not being that expensive because my gullibe butt spent $840 on my GPU setup alone [paraphrasing...lol]".

Stalkerfieldsis

Doesn't matter, you were preaching to console supporters that PC was actually quite expensive and trying to disprove that you can get a good PC for a reasonable price by using your over-the-top PC that isn't representative at all of what is normal and will work just fine for games as proof.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Leave maybe? That would surely assist in the progression of logical discussion here.

Stalkerfieldsis

you are the one who started insulting people. logical discussion stopped there. what are you expecting out of this thread? people to just go buy gaming pcs and stop playing consoles? people to apologize to you? get over yourself guy, everyone who isnt a casual gamer is getting screwed over these days. i hate origin but love mass effect... still not gonna buy me3. no tears here.

If the truth insults people, it doesn't make it incorrect, illogical, or untrue. That's why the concept of "political correctness" is so idiotic.

there's a difference between insulting people and being politically incorrect lol

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Who said I have a single display?lowe0

Doesn't matter, you were preaching to console supporters that PC was actually quite expensive and trying to disprove that you can get a good PC for a reasonable price by using your over-the-top PC that isn't representative at all of what is normal and will work just fine for games as proof.

Okay then.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Doesn't matter, you were preaching to console supporters that PC was actually quite expensive and trying to disprove that you can get a good PC for a reasonable price by using your over-the-top PC that isn't representative at all of what is normal and will work just fine for games as proof.

Stalkerfieldsis

Okay then.

Nobody is holding back PC, technology has it's own pace.

What I've learned in Console Wars:

1. Rationality, reason, and manners are a myth.

2. PC gamers are generally asses on this forum, even if we all know they do have prettier graphics(Do I care...?)

3. If you're not boasting graphics, but praise gameplay, story, or anything BUT graphics, then GTFO.

4. If you don't advocate sticking the newest, priciest hardware into a console, then GTFO, and screw business sense.

5. It's my way, or the GTFO way.

EMT0

:D

Meh battlefield is boring anways, so who cares?

Nobody is holding back PC, technology has it's own pace.

MicrosoftRules

Yes so being ten years behind is just technology's pace? So you are saying Technology is moving backwards? Why do you even try to seem right when you are this illogical?

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

BF3 on PC has bigger maps......so no consoles aren't holding PC back.

Cloud567kar

Did you read his post? The maps even on PC arent anywhere close to BF2 maps.

BF3 is clearly a PC game and the fact that PC version has bigger maps then console clearly shows console didn't hold back the devs. BF2 maps sucked anyways

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Actually, I corrected the person who said that you need a GPU upgrade every year. I'm well aware that not every GPU is $400+.lowe0

Okay then.

For the LAST TIME!!!

I saidEITHER you are lying OR you got ripped off.

You should calm down,stalkerfieldsis.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

Okay then.

Stalkerfieldsis

For the LAST TIME!!!

I saidEITHER you are lying OR you got ripped off.

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Okay? Not really, no. You called me a liar.lowe0

For the LAST TIME!!!

I saidEITHER you are lying OR you got ripped off.

Seeing as you could have gotten similar performance from a cheaper purchase I don't see how I didn't.

You should calm down,stalkerfieldsis.

freedomfreak

These people got to start making sense, that's the real problem.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]

You should calm down,stalkerfieldsis.

Stalkerfieldsis

These people got to start making sense, that's the real problem.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

For the LAST TIME!!!

I saidEITHER you are lying OR you got ripped off.

Stalkerfieldsis

Seeing as you could have gotten similar performance from a cheaper purchase I don't see how I didn't.

Do you think that gaming would be better as a whole without consoles or anything console related ?

What map is that?

Also, aren't the BF3 B2K maps the same size as the BF2 versions, with mayble slightly different flag placement?

[QUOTE="MicrosoftRules"]

Nobody is holding back PC, technology has it's own pace.

Stalkerfieldsis

Yes so being ten years behind is just technology's pace? So you are saying Technology is moving backwards? Why do you even try to seem right when you are this illogical?

What PC gamers fail to realise, they arent the only consumers in gaming.

Tech is moving forward and its clear, just because a maps went a bit smaller and your throwing a hissy fit like a toddler in a toy shop because your not getting your way isnt going to help you.

Who cares about the potential of the PC.

PC doesn't have a future.

It has a past and present and an unknown shift into something else.

Same goes for all platforms and devices.

They all evolve into something else.

we don't need more proof. Look at what happened to Crysis2, how the levels and suit design changed into a more simpler childish design.

look at bf2 then bf3. deusex1 then deus ex 2. The design issues console brings are so bad.

[QUOTE="Cloud567kar"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

BF3 on PC has bigger maps......so no consoles aren't holding PC back.

Harisemo

Did you read his post? The maps even on PC arent anywhere close to BF2 maps.

BF3 is clearly a PC game and the fact that PC version has bigger maps then console clearly shows console didn't hold back the devs. BF2 maps sucked anyways

[QUOTE="Stalkerfieldsis"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] And you've managed to prove neither of those. Unless you'd like to tell everyone with a 600 series that they've been ripped off....lowe0

Seeing as you could have gotten similar performance from a cheaper purchase I don't see how I didn't.

GTX 590 has a similar or less price than $840 (dependig on the edition) and is comparable.