Most Overrated games developer/director IYO?

Valve, they make good games, but are not the holy grail developer PC gamers make them out to be. Most of their vanilla games are boring.

Like half life 2. Seriously what was so great about that game. Had horrible story, dumb AI, and bad shooter mechanics.

dercoo

Hmmm. Well I can see if you are raised by today's shooters with millions of scripted events and constant cutscenes why Hl2 is boring. Hl2 pioneered what gaming stories should be like, through the enviroments. There are so many stories to tell in it's world without words.

AS for Valve being over-rated, you are only looking at the games.

Left for Dead created great player authored stories, an addictive vs mode, constant updates for free on the PC

Team Fortress 2 was a fresh rethink of the online shooter and is full of charectar as well as being the most updated game I've ever played

They created Steam, which is easily the best gaming service anywhere. Allowing devs to easily sell their games for cheap, gain spotlight everynow and then, have massive sales etc.

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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

Red Orchestra,

Stalker

Final fantasy

starcraft 2

resistance

Sandvichman

Yeah those are the worst game developer/directors in the industry right now.

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Cant belive people are saying Obsidian is overrated... Probably the most underrated devs ever.

PBSnipes

Really? You can't see why someone might find Obisidan (a developer that, as I mentioned, doesn't provide much in the way of emotional investment and whose titles can generally be described as buggy at best) overrated?

Obsidian employees have no emotional connection to the quality of their work. If it's this, well, I don't think you have any way of knowing that.

Obsidian makes games that does not make gamers emotionally invested in their work. I'd say this is untrue. I've played little of New Vegas, and this might be the least provider of emotional investment in a Obsidian game. Which does not make it bad of course; there are many RPG's in which I had no emotions invested who I thought were great.

Kotor 2, however, is different. It provides as much emotional connection as any great story with great characters would in a WRPG.

Why must everything be overrated? Cant we just accept that some things are good but just not for us.

I think the following developers are good, but just dont develop games that particulary interest or entertain me: Amy Hennig (Uncharted, Legacy of Kain), Hideo Kojima (MGS/Zone of the Enders), Todd Howard (Oblivion, Fallout 3). Are any of them bad? No, but their product just doesnt cater to my tastes, I can see why people like their games and nothing is overrated.

Maroxad

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Cant belive people are saying Obsidian is overrated... Probably the most underrated devs ever.

SkyWard20

Really? You can't see why someone might find Obisidan (a developer that, as I mentioned, doesn't provide much in the way of emotional investment and whose titles can generally be described as buggy at best) overrated?

Obsidian employees have no emotional connection to the quality of their work. If it's this, well, I don't think you have any way of knowing that.

Obsidian makes games that does not make gamers emotionally invested in their work. I'd say this is untrue. I've played little of New Vegas, and this might be the least provider of emotional investment in a Obsidian game. Which does not make it bad of course; there are many RPG's in which I had no emotions invested who I thought were great.

Kotor 2, however, is different. It provides as much emotional connection as any great story with great characters would in a WRPG.

KOTOR was a very boring game. I couldn't stand it. I do like Bioware though, Mass Effect is my favortie series this gen, and Dragon Age: Origins was great as well. And their cla$$ics are great As for the topic, I think that Nintendo is overrated :O I mean they do make excellent games. SNES and N64 was some of the most fun I've had gaming. And they're offerings this gen have been great too. But they're NOT the holy grail of gaming.

good_sk8er7

Not even the story interested you? The gameplay, as a whole, did not really appeal to me (i like the one in BG series due to the izometric view because it's easier to manage your party, but damn, i do not like KoTOR's way), but the interesting story made me go trough. Eh, like the cliche saying goes: "To each their own".

But about Nintendo, i completely disagree. For starters, they factually saved console gaming by rising from the ashes left by the crash, as a phoenix and brought us the NES, then continued to produce incredible games trough the SNES, N64, don't know about Gamecube, and even the Wii.

If there's one company fully worthy of all the praise they get, it's Nintendo. Call me a fanboy (though i think i'm a PC elitist at heart), but for it to be so iconic, so incredibly succesful (they even managed to rise from the horrible mess of a Virtua Boy), so relevant since 1983 'till this very day....

Is one mofo' of a bone crushing feat to achieve.

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]TreyarchGuppy507

Don't know about that.. people did not really praise them for Big Red One, CoD 3, and BO got so much hate, and God only knows how many PC gamers hated on that unfinished buggy mess that it was before it was patched (Activision even got sued for it by someone, i forgot who though.. google it)

By emotional investment do you mean that:

Obsidian employees have no emotional connection to the quality of their work. If it's this, well, I don't think you have any way of knowing that.

Obsidian makes games that does not make gamers emotionally invested in their work. I'd say this is untrue. I've played little of New Vegas, and this might be the least provider of emotional investment in a Obsidian game. Which does not make it bad of course; there are many RPG's in which I had no emotions invested who I thought were great.

Kotor 2, however, is different. It provides as much emotional connection as any great story with great characters would in a WRPG.SkyWard20

I was referring back to my more detailed post on the second page (assuming you're on 20 posts/page). Long story short: I don't find their brand of RPG works well because they fail to create any significant emotional connection between myself as the player and the gameworld/characters. Choosing between, say, the NCR, Legion and House isn't a particularly deep choice when you don't any sort of connection to the sides in the first place; I might as well be choosing between "Option X", "Option Y" and "Option Z".

Admittedly my experience is largely based off New Vegas as it's been a while since I played KOTOR 2 (although I don't remember being enthralled with the game), but I'd levy the same complaints against the original, Black Isle-produced Fallouts as well (albeit to a much lesser degree). I've still enjoyed their games and the sandbox-y nature of the multiple pathways you can take through the game is interesting, but I'd expect better in the storytelling/emotional investment department from a truly great developer.

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Cant belive people are saying Obsidian is overrated... Probably the most underrated devs ever.

SkyWard20

Really? You can't see why someone might find Obisidan (a developer that, as I mentioned, doesn't provide much in the way of emotional investment and whose titles can generally be described as buggy at best) overrated?

Obsidian employees have no emotional connection to the quality of their work. If it's this, well, I don't think you have any way of knowing that.

Obsidian makes games that does not make gamers emotionally invested in their work. I'd say this is untrue. I've played little of New Vegas, and this might be the least provider of emotional investment in a Obsidian game. Which does not make it bad of course; there are many RPG's in which I had no emotions invested who I thought were great.

Kotor 2, however, is different. It provides as much emotional connection as any great story with great characters would in a WRPG.

Yeah but they made Alpha Protocol.

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Valve, they make good games, but are not the holy grail developer PC gamers make them out to be. Most of their vanilla games are boring.

Like half life 2. Seriously what was so great about that game. Had horrible story, dumb AI, and bad shooter mechanics.

OB-47

Hmmm. Well I can see if you are raised by today's shooters with millions of scripted events and constant cutscenes why Hl2 is boring. Hl2 pioneered what gaming stories should be like, through the enviroments. There are so many stories to tell in it's world without words.

AS for Valve being over-rated, you are only looking at the games.

Left for Dead created great player authored stories, an addictive vs mode, constant updates for free on the PC

Team Fortress 2 was a fresh rethink of the online shooter and is full of charectar as well as being the most updated game I've ever played

They created Steam, which is easily the best gaming service anywhere. Allowing devs to easily sell their games for cheap, gain spotlight everynow and then, have massive sales etc.

I played HL2 when it first came out.

It was not a bad game just had flaws. The whole plot, seems like bad startrek fan fiction.I got no emotional from the main characters (besides ironically the giant robo dog), the shooting aspects were average, the vehicle segments were just meh, and the ai dumb.

Only remarkable thing at the time was the physics engine, gravity gun (to mess with physics engine), and the head crab raven holm section (that part was actually awesome)

The Platinum Games guy. Bayonetta and Vanquish are good games but most overrated. Elann2008

The Platinum Games guy. Bayonetta and Vanquish are good games but most overrated. Elann2008

Skyward, I see you got a problem with my opinion. However, opinions cant be wrong and therefore my sig cant be wrong either, I would think better of Bioware if they didnt give me a broken CD key for Neverwinter Nights.

Underrated Intelligent Systems- the minds responsible for Fire Emblem, Advanced Wars, Paper Mario and Warioware. Consistently making excellent games, but mostly ignored by the community.hiphops_savior

I believe they would get more praise if more of their titles reached the west (like Famicom Wars and Earlier Fire Emblems, especially Seisen no Keifu, which is their best game) and if they got more credit for their games. Many people I know see their games as Nintendo games and NOT Intellegent Systems games. Very undercredited developer indeed.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]The Platinum Games guy. Bayonetta and Vanquish are good games but most overrated. Kratos_OMEGA

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]The Platinum Games guy. Bayonetta and Vanquish are good games but most overrated. hiphops_savior

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"][QUOTE="Elann2008"]The Platinum Games guy. Bayonetta and Vanquish are good games but most overrated. Elann2008

Cant say Kojima, he gave me the beuty of MGS3... but I guess I can call him overrated for MGS4.

I'm suprised noone is bashing Naughty Dog yet. I may have said that too early though...

Bungie. Their games are great but they've technically released the exact same game for the last decade, yet they're looked at like they can do no wrong.

Director: Warren Spector

Oh, this is going to be fun. :D

Valve.

BioWare.

Bethesda.

Infinity Ward.

Naughty Dog.

Hideo Kojima.

Warren Spector.

Come at me. 8)

Oh, this is going to be fun. :D

Valve.I agree.

BioWare.Meh, kinda sorta.

Infinity Ward.Their own darn fault

Naughty Dog.LOL ROFL U FEIL IN LEIF

Hideo Kojima.Yeah!

Warren Spector.Help me out here, not sure what he made..

Come at me. 8)

What games do you like?

DarkLink77

@UC3Drake

Spector is most famous for Deus Ex. He hasn't done anything remarkable since (nearly ten years) but people treat him like he's some sort of god.

I like lots of games. Check my owned games list for some of them, if youre really interested. :P

@UC3Drake

Spector is most famous for Deus Ex. He hasn't done anything remarkable since (nearly ten years) but people treat him like he's some sort of god.

I like lots of games. Check my owned games list for some of them, if youre really interested. :P

DarkLink77

Also, EWWWW, GTA4 a 9.5 :cry:.

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@UC3Drake

Spector is most famous for Deus Ex. He hasn't done anything remarkable since (nearly ten years) but people treat him like he's some sort of god.

I like lots of games. Check my owned games list for some of them, if youre really interested. :P

UC3Drake

Also, EWWWW, GTA4 a 9.5 :cry:.

Bioware recently. Also Naughty Dog.

lmao @ people saying Valve. Not only do they make some of the best shooters in every shooter genre:

Co-op: Left 4 Dead

Singleplayer: Half-Life

Multiplayer Deathmatch: Team Fortress 2

Multiplayer Tactical: Counterstrike

Puzzle: Portal

They are also the most generous developer in gaming with their ridiculous Steam deals, sometimes going as far as giving their games away for free. They raise the bar with every new release. They've been at the forefront of PC innovation since Half-Life evolved in-game storytelling. They gave us Steam, the first legitimate form of digital distribution. They revolutionized the use of physics and character interaction with Half-Life 2. Portal's innovation goes without saying. Left 4 Dead brought a fresh face to co-op gameplay. And they're only getting better. Valve is the all-around best developer in the shooter genre, if not the whole gaming industry. They're my favorite company in gaming by a mile.

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@UC3Drake

Spector is most famous for Deus Ex. He hasn't done anything remarkable since (nearly ten years) but people treat him like he's some sort of god.

I like lots of games. Check my owned games list for some of them, if youre really interested. :P

DarkLink77

Also, EWWWW, GTA4 a 9.5 :cry:.

Anyway, I also see you enjoy FF7, but not 9....

I should Omnislash you to death....

Kojima or the guy behind Ico/SotC

Bioware

Insomniac

Kojima

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I can't believe insomniac isn't mentioned. They are considered in a tier with naughty dog. When ever since they both made games, naughty dog has been far superior. Insomniac games range from mediocre, rehashes, or copy-cats. They tend to be rushed and they cut corners in every game.

I think bioware cuts way too many corners too. Mass Effect 2 morale system and sidequest/character quest were a joke. The game rehashed the same level design through out the game. The writing was mediocre (but heck this is a bioware game). They live on its pedigree and reviews negate most of bioware rpg flaws. They heavily rely on voice acting to make up for the awful writing.

Kojima games has only made one technically good game 'mgs4'. I feel that the game design, and level designs were amazing. However, the game story is awful. It relies on fanboy service and melodramatic soap opera characters. The action scenes are well done but over thetop but, the editing is awful. The game is 50-50 % cutscenes gameplay and while the gameplay is amazing (it is) the game just was too focused on fanboy service which I couldn't understand since the other metal gear solid games have awful gameplay.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="UC3Drake"]Oh yeah, I agree about Warren as well then. But why call Naughty Dog overrated if one of their main series scored great with you (Jak).

Also, EWWWW, GTA4 a 9.5 :cry:.

UC3Drake

Anyway, I also see you enjoy FF7, but not 9....

I should Omnislash you to death....

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Because the amount of praise they get for Uncharted is obscene, considering it isn't even their best series. I liked GTA IV. :PDarkLink77

Anyway, I also see you enjoy FF7, but not 9....

I should Omnislash you to death....

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Cant belive people are saying Obsidian is overrated... Probably the most underrated devs ever.

PBSnipes

Really? You can't see why someone might find Obisidan (a developer that, as I mentioned, doesn't provide much in the way of emotional investment and whose titles can generally be described as buggy at best) overrated?

Nah I honestly cant, unless its mainly main stream gamers that only care about graphics or polish.

To me Obsidian is one of the few devs that really put there heart and soul into there games and deiver some of the best dialogue, stories, gameworlds and characters around. They dont follow trends, they just make great rpgs for old school rpg fans imo.

I enjoyed ME1/2 but to me games like Fallout New Vegas (which to me was a million times better then Fallout3, and actually feels like a fallout game) and even the underrated Alpha Protocol are just as good games, just in differnt ways. Yes they are not as polished but thats because they have more depth and take more chances instead of playing it safe.

This is just my honest opinion and I am sure most of gamepsot will disagree, but to me Obsidian is one of the few rpgs devs around that care about old school rpg fans and care more about story, gameplay and characters then they do amazing graphics or polish.

ME1/ME2 are two of my fav games this gen, but in all honesty I had just as much fun with New vegas and AP as I did ME1/2.

Obsidian cares about creating great worlds to roleplay in, along with great dialogue, characters and stories, and as an RPG fan of 20+ years, those are the things I like most in an rpg.

Obsidian is a great example of substance over flash imo. KOTOR2 was awesome, Neverwinter Nights2 was better then NWN1 and one of this gens best rpgs, the list goes on. They might not be the most polished games but they pull me into the game world and connect me to the characters/dialogue/story very well.

Maybe its just me but it seems like nearly every game from Obsidian, Bioware and the Makers of Gothic1-3/Risen I end up enjoying. I didnt expect New veags or Alpha Protocol to be good games but when i played them I was really pulled into there gameworld, characters, story, diaologue and roleplaying elements.

I guess I can see why some would not like Obsidain games: If they dont like a good story, good characters, Great lore/game worlds, some of the best dialogue writing or good roleplaying elements and only want Polish and amazing graphics in there rpgs.

lmao @ people saying Valve. Not only do they make some of the best shooters in every shooter genre:

Co-op: Left 4 Dead (Overrated, there are far better co-op games, and Valve didn't even make it, Turtle Rock did)

Singleplayer: Half-Life (Overrated)

Multiplayer Deathmatch: Team Fortress 2 (Far better MP deathmatch games out there, with less stupid crap like hats)

Multiplayer Tactical: Counterstrike (Valve didn't make this)

Puzzle: Portal (Could not be more overrated, and Valve just bought out the dev. team)

They are also the most generous developer in gaming with their ridiculous Steam deals, sometimes going as far as giving their games away for free. They raise the bar with every new release. They've been at the forefront of PC innovation since Half-Life evolved in-game storytelling. They gave us Steam, the first legitimate form of digital distribution.

I don't judge developers on their ability to run DD stores.

-Tretiak

So yeah, Valve is overrated. In fact, they're probably the most overrated developer in the industry.

[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

lmao @ people saying Valve. Not only do they make some of the best shooters in every shooter genre:

Co-op: Left 4 Dead (Overrated, there are far better co-op games, and Valve didn't even make it, Turtle Rock did)

Singleplayer: Half-Life (Overrated)

Multiplayer Deathmatch: Team Fortress 2 (Far better MP deathmatch games out there, with less stupid crap like hats)

Multiplayer Tactical: Counterstrike (Valve didn't make this)

Puzzle: Portal (Could not be more overrated, and Valve just bought out the dev. team)

They are also the most generous developer in gaming with their ridiculous Steam deals, sometimes going as far as giving their games away for free. They raise the bar with every new release. They've been at the forefront of PC innovation since Half-Life evolved in-game storytelling. They gave us Steam, the first legitimate form of digital distribution.

I don't judge developers on their ability to run DD stores.

DarkLink77

So yeah, Valve is overrated. In fact, they're probably the most overrated developer in the industry.

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[QUOTE="-Tretiak"]

lmao @ people saying Valve. Not only do they make some of the best shooters in every shooter genre:

Co-op: Left 4 Dead (Overrated, there are far better co-op games, and Valve didn't even make it, Turtle Rock did)

Singleplayer: Half-Life (Overrated)

Multiplayer Deathmatch: Team Fortress 2 (Far better MP deathmatch games out there, with less stupid crap like hats)

Multiplayer Tactical: Counterstrike (Valve didn't make this)

Puzzle: Portal (Could not be more overrated, and Valve just bought out the dev. team)

They are also the most generous developer in gaming with their ridiculous Steam deals, sometimes going as far as giving their games away for free. They raise the bar with every new release. They've been at the forefront of PC innovation since Half-Life evolved in-game storytelling. They gave us Steam, the first legitimate form of digital distribution.

I don't judge developers on their ability to run DD stores.

UC3Drake

So yeah, Valve is overrated. In fact, they're probably the most overrated developer in the industry.

Valve and Bioware. Neither have yet to do an awesome game, yet they get some much praise.Mr_Cumberdale

Valve and Bioware have NEVER made an awesome game? Serious?

Half LIfe1, Half LIfe2, Counterstrike, Team Fortress2, Portal, Left4Dead,etc.. for Valve, no good games there?

Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter NIghts1, KOTOR, Mass Effect1/2, Dragon Age Origins,etc.. for Bioware, no good games there?

What games do you consider 'awesome' then?

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]The Platinum Games guy. Bayonetta and Vanquish are good games but most overrated. Elann2008

@UC3Drake

Spector is most famous for Deus Ex. He hasn't done anything remarkable since (nearly ten years) but people treat him like he's some sort of god.

I like lots of games. Check my owned games list for some of them, if youre really interested. :P

DarkLink77

He also was behind Epic Mickey lol.

Nomura but mainly for the KH's series. I would also say Kojima mainly for his story telling.

IYO stands for?sethman410

people still didnt get over mgs4 getting AAAA, wow, if anything Kojima is a god for keeping the hate that long.

and i bet that if mgs4 went to 360 nobody would be saying that, lol.

people still didnt get over mgs4 getting AAAA, wow, if anything Kojima is a god for keeping the hate that long.

and i bet that if mgs4 went to 360 nobody would be saying that, lol.

ZoomZoom2490

I can't believe so many are saying Bioware. Without them this gen would have seen the decline of Wrpgs as the jrpgs did. Remove Bioware and you're left with only Witcher and Oblivion for the entire gen.

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Valve and Bioware. Neither have yet to do an awesome game, yet they get some much praise.kozzy1234

Valve and Bioware have NEVER made an awesome game? Serious?

Half LIfe1, Half LIfe2, Counterstrike, Team Fortress2, Portal, Left4Dead,etc.. for Valve, no good games there?

Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter NIghts1, KOTOR, Mass Effect1/2, Dragon Age Origins,etc.. for Bioware, no good games there?

What games do you consider 'awesome' then?

Maybe he isnt into first person shooters which is more or less everything Valve makes (although they also "made" Alien Swarm and Portal). As for Bioware, I think outside of Baldur's Gate they have been consistantly terrible.

Quality is subjective and I can understand why people may like the games you mentioned, but not everyone may necessarily think they are awesome. With that said, I enjoy/love Valve games.

I can't believe so many are saying Bioware. Without them this gen would have seen the decline of Wrpgs as the jrpgs did. Remove Bioware and you're left with only Witcher and Oblivion for the entire gen.

edidili

We also have Depths of Peril, Din's Curse, Fallout New Vegas, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mount and Blade, Eschalon Books 1 and 2 and Risen. That is not to mention up and coming games like Risen 2, Age of Decadence, EYE (FPS/RPG hybrid), Eschalong Book 3, Dead State and Mount and Blade: With Fire and Sword.