Most Overrated games developer/director IYO?

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

So yeah, Valve is overrated. In fact, they're probably the most overrated developer in the industry.

DarkLink77

What terrible arguments. Just calling everything overrated? Considering Half-Life and Half-Life 2 literally have 100 GOTY awards between just the two of them, YOU are in the minority and simply saying "overrated" is a completely laughable attempt to discredit them. I actually lol'd at that. And when you say that Valve didn't make those games, I lol'd at that too. Because every one of those teams is now employed by Valve. Part of Valve. Get it? Every one of those game series' most recent entry has been made by current Valve teams and employees.

Half-Life: 51 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Half-Life 2: 49 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Left 4 Dead: Multiplayer GOTY by - IGN, Gamespy, BAFTA; nominated for overall GOTY by Gamespot.

Left 4 Dead 2: Again multiplayer GOTY by IGN, nominated best shooter Gamespot, AAA Gamespot.

Portal: GOTY GDC, most innovative & best puzzle game IGN, GOTY + most innovative 1UP, AAA Gamespot, 90 Metacritic.

Team Fortress 2: 92 Metacritic, incredibly well-supported by Valve.

Counterstrike: Arguably the most competitive tactical online shooter. It is a featured game in four professional leagues with televised matches.

You might think that you are a good debater, but saying "overrated" when the games you're blasting are in fact among the most well-received games of all-time really nulls your pathetic one-word argument.

Bioware for sure, especially with dlc, they overcharge for little content with dlc and much of it is lackluster as well.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

I can't believe so many are saying Bioware. Without them this gen would have seen the decline of Wrpgs as the jrpgs did. Remove Bioware and you're left with only Witcher and Oblivion for the entire gen.

Maroxad

We also have Depths of Peril, Din's Curse, Fallout New Vegas, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mount and Blade, Eschalon Books 1 and 2 and Risen. That is not to mention up and coming games like Risen 2, Age of Decadence, EYE (FPS/RPG hybrid), Eschalong Book 3, Dead State and Mount and Blade: With Fire and Sword.

All being slightly above average, at the level jrpgs have fallen.

I'm sorry but I can't say bioware is overrated, especially this gen. In all this sequels flood we're in they dared to create 2 new IP, both fantastic.

They are managing to make a whole trilogy in one gen alone, made a pretty good D&D rpg like DA:O and are taking the risk of launching a high budget mmorpg.

What other dev was as productive and as daring as Bioware this gen?

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="UC3Drake"]Whoa. When you bash, you REALLY bash :shock:.

-Tretiak

What terrible arguments. Just calling everything overrated? Considering Half-Life and Half-Life 2 literally have 100 GOTY awards between just the two of them, YOU are in the minority and simply saying "overrated" is a completely laughable attempt to discredit them. I actually lol'd at that. And when you say that Valve didn't make those games, I lol'd at that too. Because every one of those teams is now employed by Valve. Part of Valve. Get it? Every one of those game series' most recent entry has been made by current Valve teams and employees.

Half-Life: 51 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Half-Life 2: 49 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Left 4 Dead: Multiplayer GOTY by - IGN, Gamespy, BAFTA; nominated for overall GOTY by Gamespot.

Left 4 Dead 2: Again multiplayer GOTY by IGN, nominated best shooter Gamespot, AAA Gamespot.

Portal: GOTY GDC, most innovative & best puzzle game IGN, GOTY + most innovative 1UP, AAA Gamespot, 90 Metacritic.

Team Fortress 2: 92 Metacritic, incredibly well-supported by Valve.

Counterstrike: Arguably the most competitive tactical online shooter. It is a featured game in four professional leagues with televised matches.

You might think that you are a good debater, but saying "overrated" when the games you're blasting are in fact among the most well-received games of all-time really nulls your pathetic one-word argument.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="UC3Drake"]Whoa. When you bash, you REALLY bash :shock:.

-Tretiak

What terrible arguments. Just calling everything overrated? Considering Half-Life and Half-Life 2 literally have 100 GOTY awards between just the two of them, YOU are in the minority and simply saying "overrated" is a completely laughable attempt to discredit them. I actually lol'd at that. And when you say that Valve didn't make those games, I lol'd at that too. Because every one of those teams is now employed by Valve. Part of Valve. Get it? Every one of those game series' most recent entry has been made by current Valve teams and employees.

Half-Life: 51 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Half-Life 2: 49 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Left 4 Dead: Multiplayer GOTY by - IGN, Gamespy, BAFTA; nominated for overall GOTY by Gamespot.

Left 4 Dead 2: Again multiplayer GOTY by IGN, nominated best shooter Gamespot, AAA Gamespot.

Portal: GOTY GDC, most innovative & best puzzle game IGN, GOTY + most innovative 1UP, AAA Gamespot, 90 Metacritic.

Team Fortress 2: 92 Metacritic, incredibly well-supported by Valve.

Counterstrike: Arguably the most competitive tactical online shooter. It is a featured game in four professional leagues with televised matches.

You might think that you are a good debater, but saying "overrated" when the games you're blasting are in fact among the most well-received games of all-time really nulls your pathetic one-word argument.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

We also have Depths of Peril, Din's Curse, Fallout New Vegas, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mount and Blade, Eschalon Books 1 and 2 and Risen. That is not to mention up and coming games like Risen 2, Age of Decadence, EYE (FPS/RPG hybrid), Eschalong Book 3, Dead State and Mount and Blade: With Fire and Sword.

edidili

All being slightly above average, at the level jrpgs have fallen.

I'm sorry but I can't say bioware is overrated, especially this gen. In all this sequels flood we're in they dared to create 2 new IP, both fantastic.

They are managing to make a whole trilogy in one gen alone, made a pretty good D&D rpg like DA:O and are taking the risk of launching a high budget mmorpg.

What other dev was as productive and as daring as Bioware this gen?

Umm, I am gonna have to disagree about that, I consider several of those games to be WAY better than the crap made by Bioware and Bethesda. While I believe you are entitled to feel that they arent overrated others such as myself are at the same time entitled to think that they are. Ok I dont think they are, I can see why people like Bioware's games. While I will give them credit for being able to make an entire trilogy within a gen, several other developers are doing the same, Eschalon will get its third game soon for instance. This gen has gone around for a while now and being able to put 3 games in the same series is very possible.

TOR is far from a highly risky MMO, in fact. It plays safe in many, many aspects such as gameplay and structure VERY similar to WoW with few innovations. Dragon Age Origins was a terrible game, it was basicly Baldur's Gate without the personality and ZERO pacing. It also uses a structure that has been rehashed to death by now. Mass Effect was a below average game that did everything poorly, hardly a fantastic game.

Developers taking more risks? How about Paradox Interactive for willing to publish risky games no one else would dare publish. Or how about the large majority of Indie devs, making risky games that if they would flop in sales they would go down.

Just asking how are most of those games only slightly above average? For example both Risen and Mount and Blade both kick Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion into the Oblivion.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

So yeah, Valve is overrated. In fact, they're probably the most overrated developer in the industry.

DarkLink77

I would have to say Peter Molyneux is the most overrated director in gaming constantly lying and embellishing whats in his games for extra sales. Hideo Kojima would be a close second. Bungie would be the most overrated studio with the every Halo game except Halo 1. I loved Halo 1 it was the godfather of the console fps, but I was disappointed with every other Halo game. Bungie could havedone so much with that franchise it never evolved became stale and was quickly surpassed by other console fps's. I would have to disagree with a few of you though Bioware and NaughtyDog overrated no way there are hundreds of game of the year awards between the two showing the contrary.

I would have to say Peter Molyneux is the most overrated director in gaming constantly lying and embellishing whats in his games for extra sales.ElPadilla

Oh, Bioware. Absolutely.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="UC3Drake"]Whoa. When you bash, you REALLY bash :shock:.

-Tretiak

What terrible arguments. Just calling everything overrated? Considering Half-Life and Half-Life 2 literally have 100 GOTY awards between just the two of them, YOU are in the minority and simply saying "overrated" is a completely laughable attempt to discredit them. I actually lol'd at that. And when you say that Valve didn't make those games, I lol'd at that too. Because every one of those teams is now employed by Valve. Part of Valve. Get it? Every one of those game series' most recent entry has been made by current Valve teams and employees.

Half-Life: 51 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Half-Life 2: 49 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Left 4 Dead: Multiplayer GOTY by - IGN, Gamespy, BAFTA; nominated for overall GOTY by Gamespot.

Left 4 Dead 2: Again multiplayer GOTY by IGN, nominated best shooter Gamespot, AAA Gamespot.

Portal: GOTY GDC, most innovative & best puzzle game IGN, GOTY + most innovative 1UP, AAA Gamespot, 90 Metacritic.

Team Fortress 2: 92 Metacritic, incredibly well-supported by Valve.

Counterstrike: Arguably the most competitive tactical online shooter. It is a featured game in four professional leagues with televised matches.

You might think that you are a good debater, but saying "overrated" when the games you're blasting are in fact among the most well-received games of all-time really nulls your pathetic one-word argument.

[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]Valve and Bioware. Neither have yet to do an awesome game, yet they get some much praise.kozzy1234

Valve and Bioware have NEVER made an awesome game? Serious?

Half LIfe1, Half LIfe2, Counterstrike, Team Fortress2, Portal, Left4Dead,etc.. for Valve, no good games there?

Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter NIghts1, KOTOR, Mass Effect1/2, Dragon Age Origins,etc.. for Bioware, no good games there?

What games do you consider 'awesome' then?

Kingdom Hearts, so there's no need to take him seriously.

Bioware and Betheda...

I can't believe so many are saying Bioware. Without them this gen would have seen the decline of Wrpgs as the jrpgs did. Remove Bioware and you're left with only Witcher and Oblivion for the entire gen.

edidili

Half-Life: 51 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Half-Life 2: 49 GOTY awards, AAA Gamespot, 96 Metacritic.

Left 4 Dead: Multiplayer GOTY by - IGN, Gamespy, BAFTA; nominated for overall GOTY by Gamespot.

Left 4 Dead 2: Again multiplayer GOTY by IGN, nominated best shooter Gamespot, AAA Gamespot.

Portal: GOTY GDC, most innovative & best puzzle game IGN, GOTY + most innovative 1UP, AAA Gamespot, 90 Metacritic.

Team Fortress 2: 92 Metacritic, incredibly well-supported by Valve.

Counterstrike: Arguably the most competitive tactical online shooter. It is a featured game in four professional leagues with televised matches.

-Tretiak

I reckon that the Killzone dev is a bit overrated (can't remember what they're called), and Bethesda also.

Rockstar

Naughty Dog

Bethesda

tempest91

mmhm.. and lemme ask you this, who does things significantly better than them? Who has the armosphere that bethesda creates, who makes games so cinematically great as naughty dog??? Everyone saying devs are overrated are not looking at the big picture. Especially ones claiming hideo kojima is overrated?!?!. The fact is they are masters at their craft and make products you could only dream of making. If there so overrated, show me someone who is much better or do better yourself. According to everyone in SW, everything remotly good is overrated.

I reckon that the Killzone dev is a bit overrated (can't remember what they're called), and Bethesda also.

UnrealLegend

Bungie imho. I think the reason why they are considered high quality studio is just because of the term "Halo." I think if they make any other game besides Halo, I predict it will be medicore.sethman410

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

Rockstar

Naughty Dog

Bethesda

bri360

mmhm.. and lemme ask you this, who does things significantly better than them? Who has the armosphere that bethesda creates, who makes games so cinematically great as naughty dog??? Everyone saying devs are overrated are not looking at the big picture. Especially ones claiming hideo kojima is overrated?!?!. The fact is they are masters at their craft and make products you could only dream of making. If there so overrated, show me someone who is much better or do better yourself. According to everyone in SW, everything remotly good is overrated.

I'm not sure that bethesda is so good at atmosphere as they are at dumbing down once great franchises. For me, they are the ones that kicked off this generation with Oblivion which was the first in a long line of over-simplified WRPG's. Fallout 1 and 2 and arguably New Vegas (withought the technical bugs) were better than Fallout 3, and Morrowind is much better than oblivion, let's leave it at that.

Naughty Dog this gen has given us the uncharted series, which is a great technical feat, no one is arguing that, but as a complete game, it's really not that great. It has very average characters, horrid gunplay, boss fights that are a huge letdown (especially the end bosses in both games), and an experience that will be forgettable once this gen is done, unless you really love ND or Sony that much. Again, it's a decent new IP, but nothing that I've seen worthy of so many GOTY awards. MGS4 is that same boat tbh. I loved MGS, MGS 2, and MGS 3, and I truly believe that MGS4 is the weakest in the series (3 being the best).

As for Rockstar, well, I haven't enjoyed a GTA game fully since Vice City (San Andreas was ok), and RDR was fantastic in terms of voice acting, and the story would have been ok if it wasn't pieced together with such repetitive, and flat out monotonous missions/quests. That game bored me to tears, and it pained me to no end because I knew the end was going to be good, but I just couldn't make myself play it because it felt like a chore.

Also, it's not my job to make games that are better as I am not a developer, but thanks for the encouragement. I'm just a gamer, and that's how I see these games that have so much hype, but were a letdown when I actually played them.

Square Enix

Infinity Ward

Warren Spector

Microsoft Games Studios

Capcom

Cliffy B.

Bungie imho. I think the reason why they are considered high quality studio is just because of the term "Halo." I think if they make any other game besides Halo, I predict it will be medicore.sethman410

[QUOTE="sethman410"]Bungie imho. I think the reason why they are considered high quality studio is just because of the term "Halo." I think if they make any other game besides Halo, I predict it will be medicore.soulitane

From the past few years I'm going with Rockstar North.

Hated their last two games. I'm surprised I played rdr as long as I did.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="sethman410"]Bungie imho. I think the reason why they are considered high quality studio is just because of the term "Halo." I think if they make any other game besides Halo, I predict it will be medicore.sethman410

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[QUOTE="Mr_Cumberdale"]

Valve and Bioware have NEVER made an awesome game? Serious?

Half LIfe1, Half LIfe2, Counterstrike, Team Fortress2, Portal, Left4Dead,etc.. for Valve, no good games there?

Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter NIghts1, KOTOR, Mass Effect1/2, Dragon Age Origins,etc.. for Bioware, no good games there?

What games do you consider 'awesome' then?

Maroxad

Maybe he isnt into first person shooters which is more or less everything Valve makes (although they also "made" Alien Swarm and Portal). As for Bioware, I think outside of Baldur's Gate they have been consistantly terrible.

Quality is subjective and I can understand why people may like the games you mentioned, but not everyone may necessarily think they are awesome. With that said, I enjoy/love Valve games.

I can't believe so many are saying Bioware. Without them this gen would have seen the decline of Wrpgs as the jrpgs did. Remove Bioware and you're left with only Witcher and Oblivion for the entire gen.

edidili

We also have Depths of Peril, Din's Curse, Fallout New Vegas, Neverwinter Nights 2, Mount and Blade, Eschalon Books 1 and 2 and Risen. That is not to mention up and coming games like Risen 2, Age of Decadence, EYE (FPS/RPG hybrid), Eschalong Book 3, Dead State and Mount and Blade: With Fire and Sword.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

I can't believe so many are saying Bioware. Without them this gen would have seen the decline of Wrpgs as the jrpgs did. Remove Bioware and you're left with only Witcher and Oblivion for the entire gen.

foxhound_fox

-Tretiak

Ah but of course: Bioware, killer of the RPG genre. It's all part of EA's agenda, you know.

Every non Sony developer imho

David Cage is underrated imho

SkyWard, I guess it is time for you to stop buying Bioware games then, In the Sims 2 you can make elven sims and not only that you can also romance said sims. Also in NWN2 the one and only you could kiss was the elven druid.

[QUOTE="edidili"]

I can't believe so many are saying Bioware. Without them this gen would have seen the decline of Wrpgs as the jrpgs did. Remove Bioware and you're left with only Witcher and Oblivion for the entire gen.

foxhound_fox

I dont know about killing WRPGs, they are certainly attempting to pull (but thankfully fail) the WRPG genre in a direction I dont like, have you seen this? They are slowly but surely turning WRPGs into shallow dating sims. I remember when it was announced that it would be possible to marry in Warband, people were worried like heck. Thankfully it only ended up being another road into power. Had it not been for those indie devs ignoring what Bieberware does, the WRPG genre would be in a much bigger mess than the JRPG genre right now.

I'm going to agree with Nomura. He isn't bad, but I think whether he is great or not depends on Versus 13. Bioware as of late is also overrated... & pretentious. I love how they called out Japanese RPG developers like Square Enix & then produced DA2. Priceless.

I'm also going to have to say Naughty Dog. They make great games but I personally think UC2 is overrated & from some interviews it seemed to me that the glowing reviews have gone to their heads a bit (could just be me though). I'd say Bethesda is overrated, but not really... I mean, I think they have the potential to make a really, really amazing game but just haven't really capitalized on it, instead making great/excellent games.

I want to say Square Enix is overrated, but they're recieving a lot of hate lately. Deservedly so I'd say, but I wouldn't call them overrated. When they used to be really hyped up, they deserved it.

Kojima no contest.

Peter Monolux