Mouse/keyboard Vs. gamepad for FPS

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

I prefer mouse and keyboard. I can be pretty good with a gamepad but its never the same. A gamepad usually means a more sluggish and innacurate experiance. Playing L4D with a pad for example is a horrible thing to do to your teammates=) Also recently I finally got a PS3 and got to play some Killzone 2 and all I kept thinkg about throught out was, why is everything so slooow.

rzepak

Killzone 2 gives that heavy realistic effect, it's good in it's own way.

What is "that heavy realistic effect" ...I played pretty much all realistic shooters there are and none of them feel sluggish like Killzone 2.

Well what did I just say? "heavy realistic effect" Clearly you're incapable of working out what those mean. :|

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

Killzone 2 gives that heavy realistic effect, it's good in it's own way.

CBR600-RR

What is "that heavy realistic effect" ...I played pretty much all realistic shooters there are and none of them feel sluggish like Killzone 2.

Well what did I just say? "heavy realistic effect" Clearly you're incapable of working out what those mean. :|

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Lazy? I think you're just grabbing for insults here. I won't play.

Here's my problem with thumsticks:

1. Return-to-center. Which means I have to work up through the sensitivities of the stick slowly (since it gets more sensitive the closer you get to the edge) or over-shoot by doing it quickly and having to correct. As soon as I let go of the stick it's going right back to center.

2. One-inch travel width. It's tiny.

3. Thumbs are made for grasping, fingers for manipulating. Try to spell your name out on the desk using just thumb movements, then try using your index finger.

On a mouse, I have the tactile sense of all four fingers and thumb to tell me exactly where that mouse is and what I'm doing with it. On a thumbstick, I have less than half a square inch resting on a knobby, rubbery surface.

CBR600-RR

Why is it that I don't have this problem? Like I said, it's no problem for me, I can deal with it.
Games are fun, I don't take them seriously, therefore I do not get fussy over the controls. I'm addicted as heck to Modern Warfare 2 on PS3, and I seem to be doing fine with a controller.

Stop trying to be funny, it's just stupid. Either debate or go away.

Yes, you deal with it. But I'd rather not when a better, superior option is available. Since PCs can use X360 controllers, and if they really are better, then why the hell aren't all pro-PC players using controllers? Here's a hint: they wouldn't be pro-PC players if they were using a controller.

A controller limits your skill ceiling to what the controller is capable of. On the PC, the skill ceiling is YOUR reflexes, not a controllers response time.

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

What is "that heavy realistic effect" ...I played pretty much all realistic shooters there are and none of them feel sluggish like Killzone 2.

Brownesque

Well what did I just say? "heavy realistic effect" Clearly you're incapable of working out what those mean. :|

Pretty much, why would you ask?

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

The triggers are analog, which means it's a much better representation than clicking a mouse button, just like using them for the gas in a racing game works a lot better than say a key on a keyboard or clicking a mouse button. (Sorry, I don't feel like digging up a witty picture to supplement my point.)

topgunmv

*tangent*

Again, different guns have different feels, consoles have aftermarket controllers,

and you would do well to not be so presumptuous about people based on the stances they take in an argument.

Yeah, I know. I wrote about that set-up above in my blog like, THREE years ago. Click here and check it. :roll: Good luck playing that controller on your X360. :roll:

And pompous? I'm not the one slinging insults.

Which one would you choose? To sit on a sofa (or something) play with a gamepad and relax, or play with a mouse/keyboard with more accuracy? For me mouse/keyboard, especially for first person shooters. For most other games probably gamepad. bcroger2

What about to sit in a sofa with a keyboard and mouse, retaining the accuracy and the relax at the same time? :

...But I must add that playing in tv -even in huge ones as this 46"- lacks in immersion compared against playing in monitors, because the angle of vision covered is much lower since the distance scales faster than the size of the screen.

Stop trying to be funny, it's just stupid. Either debate or go away.

Yes, you deal with it. But I'd rather not when a better, superior option is available. Since PCs can use X360 controllers, and if they really are better, then why the hell aren't all pro-PC players using controllers? Here's a hint: they wouldn't be pro-PC players if they were using a controller.

A controller limits your skill ceiling to what the controller is capable of. On the PC, the skill ceiling is YOUR reflexes, not a controllers response time.

br0kenrabbit

It's not funny to you because you're getting all defensive over it and taking it seriously.
I feel more comfortable using a controller when I play games, I play games to relax with my free time.
Is that good enough for you? Sonny Jim.

[QUOTE="bcroger2"]Which one would you choose? To sit on a sofa (or something) play with a gamepad and relax, or play with a mouse/keyboard with more accuracy? For me mouse/keyboard, especially for first person shooters. For most other games probably gamepad. Ondoval

What about to sit in a sofa with a keyboard and mouse, retaining the accuracy and the relax at the same time? :

...But I must add that playing in tv -even in huge ones as this 46"- lacks in immersion compared against playing in monitors, because the angle of vision covered is much lower since the distance scales faster than the size of the screen.

Exactly. And I don't even NEED a TV:

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Stop trying to be funny, it's just stupid. Either debate or go away.

Yes, you deal with it. But I'd rather not when a better, superior option is available. Since PCs can use X360 controllers, and if they really are better, then why the hell aren't all pro-PC players using controllers? Here's a hint: they wouldn't be pro-PC players if they were using a controller.

A controller limits your skill ceiling to what the controller is capable of. On the PC, the skill ceiling is YOUR reflexes, not a controllers response time.

CBR600-RR

It's not funny to you because you're getting all defensive over it and taking it seriously.
I feel more comfortable using a controller when I play games, I play games to relax with my free time.
Is that good enough for you? Sonny Jim.

I haven't gotten defensive, I've just told you repeadetly to stop it and left it there. If you insist on being an ass, I will bring a mod into this 'discussion'. You can discuss controllers and prefrences all you want, but throwing around words like "Lazy" and posting images intended to insult is not debating, it's being a child. Stop it. Or go away. Or this will have to get official.

The way I see it, both have their strengths. While the mouse/keyboard combo allows for fast-paced action and offers significantly better aming, my 360 controller makes for a more relaxed session, where I ultimately tend to enjoy the game in question more.

I would never use the gamepad in games like, for example, Unreal Tournament, Crysis or the Half-Life series, whereas slower paced games that focus heavily on exlporing, like Borderlands and Fallout 3 may actually benefit from it.

EDIT: I may add that I voted Mouse/keyboard.

First you say I've never fired a gun and post pictures of windex bottles, then you imply I don't game on pc. I'd say that fits the bill of presumptuous. But I'm done with this discussion, as it's obvious you're just arguing for arguments sake.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"].

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

*tangent*

br0kenrabbit

Again, different guns have different feels, consoles have aftermarket controllers,

and you would do well to not be so presumptuous about people based on the stances they take in an argument.

Yeah, I know. I wrote about that set-up above in my blog like, THREE years ago. Click here and check it. :roll: Good luck playing that controller on your X360. :roll:

And pompous? I'm not the one slinging insults.

First you say I've never fired a gun and post pictures of windex bottles, then you imply I don't game on pc. I'd say that fits the bill of presumptuous. But I'm done with this discussion, as it's obvious you're just arguing for arguments sake.

topgunmv

Reading comprehension FTW:

"If you think those feel anything like a real firearms trigger, you've never fired a gun."

Is not the same as:

"You've never fired a gun"

The Windex Bottle was directed toward the X360 controller, not at your person.

It really doesn't take much thinking to realize this.

I haven't gotten defensive, I've just told you repeadetly to stop it and left it there. If you insist on being an ass, I will bring a mod into this 'discussion'. You can discuss controllers and prefrences all you want, but throwing around words like "Lazy" and posting images intended to insult is not debating, it's being a child. Stop it. Or go away. Or this will have to get official.

br0kenrabbit

Hey dude, I already said it was comfortable using a controller, and that I'm not fussed about the precise accuracy. I gave my points, I just decided to add sarcasm and humour for myself. This is the internet after all, outside of the internet I'm completely the opposite of my internet personality. Being anonymous is great to add humour to discussions.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

I haven't gotten defensive, I've just told you repeadetly to stop it and left it there. If you insist on being an ass, I will bring a mod into this 'discussion'. You can discuss controllers and prefrences all you want, but throwing around words like "Lazy" and posting images intended to insult is not debating, it's being a child. Stop it. Or go away. Or this will have to get official.

CBR600-RR

Hey dude, I already said it was comfortable using a controller, and that I'm not fussed about the precise accuracy. I gave my points, I just decided to add sarcasm and humour for myself. This is the internet after all, outside of the internet I'm completely the opposite of my internet personality. Being anonymous is great to add humour to discussions.

Humor is not goading someone for an aggressive response, that's called bullying.

Maybe if those posts were self contained and independent of a thread. You're trying to hard.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

First you say I've never fired a gun and post pictures of windex bottles, then you imply I don't game on pc. I'd say that fits the bill of presumptuous. But I'm done with this discussion, as it's obvious you're just arguing for arguments sake.

br0kenrabbit

Reading comprehension FTW:

"If you think those feel anything like a real firearms trigger, you've never fired a gun."

Is not the same as:

"You've never fired a gun"

The Windex Bottle was directed toward the X360 controller, not at your person.

It really doesn't take much thinking to realize this.

Maybe if those posts were self contained and independent of a thread. You're trying to hard.

topgunmv

Syntax doesn't lie.

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

I haven't gotten defensive, I've just told you repeadetly to stop it and left it there. If you insist on being an ass, I will bring a mod into this 'discussion'. You can discuss controllers and prefrences all you want, but throwing around words like "Lazy" and posting images intended to insult is not debating, it's being a child. Stop it. Or go away. Or this will have to get official.

br0kenrabbit

Hey dude, I already said it was comfortable using a controller, and that I'm not fussed about the precise accuracy. I gave my points, I just decided to add sarcasm and humour for myself. This is the internet after all, outside of the internet I'm completely the opposite of my internet personality. Being anonymous is great to add humour to discussions.

Humor is not goading someone for an aggressive response, that's called bullying.

In your opinion, of course.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

Hey dude, I already said it was comfortable using a controller, and that I'm not fussed about the precise accuracy. I gave my points, I just decided to add sarcasm and humour for myself. This is the internet after all, outside of the internet I'm completely the opposite of my internet personality. Being anonymous is great to add humour to discussions.

CBR600-RR

Humor is not goading someone for an aggressive response, that's called bullying.

In your opinion, of course.

Accordig to Mr. English, actually. Thank you drive through.

poster1:a ball is like a rock, they're both round.

poster2:if you think a ball is anything like a rock then you've never had a ball.

Obviously poster 2 is implying poster 1 has never had a ball since poster one's post proceeded poster 2.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Maybe if those posts were self contained and independent of a thread. You're trying to hard.

br0kenrabbit

Syntax doesn't lie.

poster1:a ball is like a rock, they're both round.

poster2:if you think a ball is anything like a rock then you've never had a ball.

Obviously poster 2 is implying poster 1 has never had a ball since poster one's post proceeded poster 2.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Maybe if those posts were self contained and independent of a thread. You're trying to hard.

topgunmv

Syntax doesn't lie.

Wrong. Because poster one defines an accurate criteria, though his syntax his wrong. Proper syntax would be:

A ball is like a rock in that they are both round.

Which is the same kind of comparison I made with the X360 trigger and a Windex Bottle.

Accordig to Mr. English, actually. Thank you drive through.

br0kenrabbit

Oh, it looks like we got your own opinion and a fact mixed up. I am not bullying, therefore you're wrong.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Accordig to Mr. English, actually. Thank you drive through.

CBR600-RR

Oh, it looks like we got your own opinion and a fact mixed up. I am not bullying, therefore you're wrong.

Eighteen, hunh? I guess that explains the 'tude.

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

Killzone 2 gives that heavy realistic effect, it's good in it's own way.

CBR600-RR

What is "that heavy realistic effect" ...I played pretty much all realistic shooters there are and none of them feel sluggish like Killzone 2.

Well what did I just say? "heavy realistic effect" Clearly you're incapable of working out what those mean. :|

Yeah...if you use the word realistic when speaking of a shooter that autmatically means Arma, Operation Flashpoint, AA, ARMA 2...and none of those have a heavy feel that you dubbed as "realistic."

Wrong. It doesn't matter whether poster 1 is correct or not. Whether or not poster 1's criteria is accurate does not change the outcome of poster2's remarks.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

poster1:a ball is like a rock, they're both round.

poster2:if you think a ball is anything like a rock then you've never had a ball.

Obviously poster 2 is implying poster 1 has never had a ball since poster one's post proceeded poster 2.

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Syntax doesn't lie.

br0kenrabbit

Wrong. Because poster one defines an accurate criteria, though his syntax his wrong. Proper syntax would be:

A ball is like a rock in that they are both round.

Which is the same kind of comparison I made with the X360 trigger and a Windex Bottle.

These threads are fun. The main argument for kb/m is how effective it is for controling games. The main argument for gamepad is how effective the chair you are sitting on is...

Wrong. It doesn't matter whether poster 1 is correct or not. Whether or not poster 1's criteria is accurate does not change the outcome of poster2's remarks.

topgunmv

Your remark did not resemble poster 1. You simply stated 'Tacticle feedback of actual triggers.' You never said they felt like the real thing, I simply replied saying IF you think it does...then,....

Completly different from your example.

There certainly appears to be an inference going on.

I'm off to work though.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Wrong. It doesn't matter whether poster 1 is correct or not. Whether or not poster 1's criteria is accurate does not change the outcome of poster2's remarks.

br0kenrabbit

Your remark did not resemble poster 1. You simply stated 'Tacticle feedback of actual triggers.' You never said they felt like the real thing, I simply replied saying IF you think it does...then,....

Completly different from your example.

Despite the accuracy and versatility of the m/kb I prefer a game pad. Whenever I can, I use it on the PC. Bioshock, Crysis, Arkham et al.

If I'm playing online though, I'd never use a Gamepad on PC because i'd be putting myself up for a disadvantage.

RPG's like the Witcher, or RTS I would never even consider the gamepad however.

FPS with a pad don't bother me in the least. I grew up with Goldeneye and PD just as much as Quake.

Arguing that a controller is as accurate as a mouse is inane however.

M/Kb for FSP's, but just because I can't get used to a gamepad for them. I try to use the best controller for the games I play, gamepad's feel much better for plaform and freeroaming games. And it has to be a wheel for racing games! which is the only reason I didn't get Forza 3, as I can't use my G25 and I'm not buying another wheel for my360!

[QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Stop trying to be funny, it's just stupid. Either debate or go away.

Yes, you deal with it. But I'd rather not when a better, superior option is available. Since PCs can use X360 controllers, and if they really are better, then why the hell aren't all pro-PC players using controllers? Here's a hint: they wouldn't be pro-PC players if they were using a controller.

A controller limits your skill ceiling to what the controller is capable of. On the PC, the skill ceiling is YOUR reflexes, not a controllers response time.

CBR600-RR

It's not funny to you because you're getting all defensive over it and taking it seriously.
I feel more comfortable using a controller when I play games, I play games to relax with my free time.
Is that good enough for you? Sonny Jim.

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

I prefer mouse and keyboard. I can be pretty good with a gamepad but its never the same. A gamepad usually means a more sluggish and innacurate experiance. Playing L4D with a pad for example is a horrible thing to do to your teammates=) Also recently I finally got a PS3 and got to play some Killzone 2 and all I kept thinkg about throught out was, why is everything so slooow.

CBR600-RR

Killzone 2 gives that heavy realistic effect, it's good in it's own way.

Can't I use both? :(musicalmac

well maybe later you can use that Sony Wand with DS3 in the other hand mess ;)Ontain

I personally prefer a controller, I can play K/B and mouse and enjoy that as well. I could never imagine trying to play WOW on a controller lol. I suppose you could call me a gamer since I am capable at any form of input as far as gaming is concerned, why is this vs. you know fanboys will simply defend their gaming device and like usual nothing will ever bne resolved. I eagerly look forward to all of the opinions stated as fact here.

It doesnt matter.

If you are a noob, no matter what input device you are using, you still get owned online.

Can't I use both? :(musicalmac

Oh, I know I can. :P

My preference really depends on my mood (and what I feel like playing :P).

Oh, I know I can. :P

My preference really depends on my mood (and what I feel like playing :P).

They're the same, for me at least.