Move **** but it still DESTROYS Kinect. Kinect is so bad, it broke Gamespot.

[QUOTE="captainqwark20"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Move didn't fail moron, it's just not the centre piece of Sony's gaming division, it is what it should be, a peripheral that has gotten tons of support and is still getting support. Check the games in the OP. Stop being a moron. Move is what Kinect should have been for M$, the fact that Kinect became such a central part of M$'s strategy has been a tremendous negative to lemmings. Eddie-Vedder

Typical Sony fanboy retort.

Uh...s**t, no facts to support my argument...uh...YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS!!! That'll show em.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="captainqwark20"] Move LOST SONY MONEY. MOVE has PROVEN BAD SOFTWARE SALES. Move Failed which is why they are putting in WONDERBOOK. Support does not mean=money look at the Vita.Shut up, you failed.The_Game21x

Typical Sony fanboy retort.

Uh...s**t, no facts to support my argument...uh...YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS!!! That'll show em.

LMAO, can't believe cows are actually hyping Move. :lo:

Arguing with a brick wall makes more sense than arguing with Eddie-Vedder.

Arguing with a brick wall makes more sense than arguing with Eddie-Vedder.

sonic1564

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] :lol: Lems are hilarious. You're tears are delish :cool:

Tessellation

Typical Sony fanboy retort.

Uh...s**t, no facts to support my argument...uh...YOUR TEARS ARE DELICIOUS!!! That'll show em.

This is coming from the kid who spams " zomg you are so butthurt" lol like lems are any better at providing points?

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] What's Charlie Sheens suppose to mean anyway? :?WilliamRLBaker

The PS3 has outsold the 360 worldwide almsot every year since 2008 with the exception of 2011. The soul purprose to MS sales have been Kinect which if you honestly want to say has bettered your consoel then so be it , MS will be perfect for you next gen as motion controls seems to be there new line of focus. Now were talking about games? The PS3 has had more AA and AAA retail exclusives and it came out a year later. If high quality $10 dollar games are your thing on Xbox live well so be it hell maybe try an I pad since casual games seem to be your thing.

The fact of hte matter is the 360 picked up on sales due to its appeal to the casual market which has no appeal to me. Its the reason why I barely ever play my 360 and for the most part it collects dust. Once and awhile I may get a gem like the Wticher 2 but then its back to the ps3 .

[/QUOTE lol The 360 has more world wide sales total then the ps3. The 360 has more world wide software sales then the ps3, as well as more year on year and usually month on month software sales. The 360 has more games then the ps3. The 360 has more high scoring games then the ps3. I could continue but I'm bored...Simply put the ps3 has one thing where its more thann the 360 and that's high scoring exclusives *the 360 still has more exclusives total* and even then it took them 4 years to surpass the 360 in high scoring exclusives by I believe 9-15 titles now... Not a very big accomplishment. Talk all you want but the ps3 lost this generation.

The 360 had a year head start and most of its sales and games advantage came form that year head start. You can talk all you want but the PS3 has been a superior console since about 2009. Lets also not forget the fact that a large portion of 360 sales were rebuys( such as myself) it had the highest failure rate of any console in history and it ended up costing MS an extra 2 billion.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="captainqwark20"] No. Kinect MOVE> Variety A+ games. Kinect> VIta Variety A+ games.captainqwark20

Theres only one problem with your stat.

1. Im sure kinect does have more A+ titles then move im also sure it has more titles rated below 5.0 then move as well. You know why? Because MS has put lots of focus on kinect in the mean time PS3 ahs released more AA and AAA retail titles every year since 2009 and they do it by not focusing on move. Im happy with that because I dont care about motion controls.

2. It has more A+ titles then Vita? Well god i would hope so the vita has been out for all of about 4 months.

Saying PS3 focuses more on Move is an absolute lie. Have you took a look at either console sitting on a store shelf? Try to find one Xbox that isnt bundled without kinect at the same time the PS3 may have half of them bundled with Move. And the Movie is a faliure? Um it may have not sold as well as Kinect but it sold at least 12 million units now and each controller is sold at a profit. From a finanical standpoint its hardly a failure but the fact of the matter is Sony doesnt force it down your throat while MS does even sacraficing once great games in order to make you use it (steal Batallion for an example Ms should never be forgiven.)

As far as Vita vs Kinect I dont know the numbers but id take the Vita any day its actually a great devcie while Kinect is just casual poorly implemented garbage.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] lol right another butthurt paragraph :lol:,i already own the last place console you call superior :lol:captainqwark20

Then whats your gamertag? And what has made the xbox so superior

1. paying a monthly fee for a service that offers no value

2. having the most unreliable hardware in the industry

3. shoving motion controls down your throat and slapping the core gamer in the face.

4. Taking once talented studios such as Rare and Silicon Knights and making them worthless?

But hey at least there making good money off titles like Kinectamals and taking classic franchises like Steel Batalion and ruining them with Kinect. I mean who cares as long as they keep on selling well right? I mean Justin Bieber and Call of Duty are classic cases of if it sells well it must be the best .

1. MS doesnt even have Bc anymore try poping in one of your old Xbox games in your slim and tell me how it works

2. PS+ Smokes XBox live. You pay for stuff that PSN offers for free yet on PS+ ive downloaded over $100 worth of games with a one month membership.

3. Sony being hacked? and you want to talk about time machine? Yet we forget that MS has been hacked to and although they didnt shutdown the servers they did steal credit card information the diffrence was when they hacked it from Xbox some of those people actually got charged on there cards unlike the PSN hack and unlike Sony MS barely acknowledged that it even happened.

4. SK was garbage? Have you ever played Eternal Darkness or MGS twin snakes? Do you ever hear of Sonys first party studios sewing a major partner because they cant get a engine to work? No didnt think so and if you liked action adventure games what the hell was wrong with Starfox Adventure? I thought it was a good game and it was generally accepted as an AA title. What has MS done with Rare ? Limited them to more crappy casual kinect titles wich you somehow say MS no longer supports( LMAO) . How about anohter Killer Instinct for fuk sakes ive only been waiting for about 15 years.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] lol right another butthurt paragraph :lol:,i already own the last place console you call superior :lol:Tessellation

Then whats your gamertag? And what has made the xbox so superior

1. paying a monthly fee for a service that offers no value

2. having the most unreliable hardware in the industry

3. shoving motion controls down your throat and slapping the core gamer in the face.

4. Taking once talented studios such as Rare and Silicon Knights and making them worthless?

But hey at least there making good money off titles like Kinectamals and taking classic franchises like Steel Batalion and ruining them with Kinect. I mean who cares as long as they keep on selling well right? I mean Justin Bieber and Call of Duty are classic cases of if it sells well it must be the best .

Yet I still cant get your gamertag because you dont own one . Get a job and if you are going to try to stay on SW at least argue valid points instead of typing the same thing over again.

Kinect is the biggest failure in gaming.Eddie-Vedder

I agree with the TC. Move is okay in some of the core games that have optional support for it while kinect is pretty lame. (exept dance central is sooooo fun)

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Kinect is the biggest failure in gaming.Duckyindiana

Nobody cares that Justin Beaver sold 1 billion records, noone cares if noob lems are getting tricked into buying kinect.

There are CONSTANT kinect threads, every day, hype hype hype, and every, single, game, sucks.

Kinect is the biggest failure in gaming.

While Move is sucky, it's practical gaming applications are WAY better. There are TONS of awesome core games you can play with Move, games like Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain, even Sports Champions was even pretty fun, and upcomming games like Biochock Infinite and Dust.

While kinect gets???

Face the truth, both suck, but if you were forced to play a bunch of games and had to choose one everyone would pick the Move. Noone would say "bu bu dem sales!"

Plus the Move Support is HEAVILY underrated.

Out Now

• Auditorium*
• Beat Sketcher*
• Blue Toad Murder Files* (via PSN software update)
• Brunswick Pro Bowling
• Cabela?s Dangerous Hunts 2011
• Create
• Dance on Broadway
• Dance Dance Revolution
• Dead Space Extraction*
• de Blob 2
• Dungeon Hunter: Alliance*
• echochrome II*
• EyePet
• Fast Draw Showdown*
• The Fight: Lights Out
• Funky Lab Rat*
• Get Fit With Mel B
• Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows Part Two
• Heavy Rain (via PSN software update)
• High Velocity Bowling* (via PSN software update)
• Hustle Kings* (via PSN software update)
• John Daly?s ProStroke Golf
• Killzone 3
• Kung Fu Rider
• Little League World Series 2010
• MAG (via PSN software update)
• MLB 11: The Show
• Michael Jackson: The Experience
• Modern Combat: Domination*
• NBA 2K11
• Pain* (via PSN software update)
• Planet Minigolf* (via PSN software update)
• PlayStation Move Ape Escape*
• PlayStation Move Heroes
• Racquet Sports
• Rapala Pro Bass Fishing 2010
• Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition (via PSN software update)
• R.U.S.E.
• Sackboy?s Prehistoric Moves*
• Singstar Dance
• The Sly Collection
• SOCOM 4
• Sports Champions
• Start the Party
• Swords & Soldiers* (via PSN software update)
• The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn?s Quest
• The Shoot
• Tiger Woods PGA Tour 11 (via PSN software update)
• Tiger Woods PGA Tour 12
• Time Crisis: Razing Storm
• Top Darts*
• Top Spin 4
• Toy Story 3: The Video Game (side modes via PSN software update)
• TRON: Evolution
• Tumble*
• TV Superstars
• UFC Personal Trainer: The Ultimate Fitness System
• Under Siege*
• Virtua Tennis 4
• Yoostar 2
• Zumba Fitness

*Denotes a downloadable PSN title

Coming Next

• BioShock Infinite
• Carnival Island
• Child of Eden
• Dungeon Defenders*
• DUST 514*
• Everybody Dance
• EyePet and Friends
• GoldenEye 007: Reloaded
• The House of the Dead Overkill ? Extended Cut
• LittleBigPlanet 2 (via upcoming PlayStation Move Pack PSN software update)
• Medieval Moves: Deadmund?s Quest
• NBA 2K12
• No More Heroes: Heroes? Paradise
• Oddworld: Stranger?s Wrath*
• PixelJunk lifelike*
• Resistance 3
• Sorcery
• Star Trek
• Wanted Corp*

Nobody cares if they aren't Move only games, Move works with core games. M$ failed so hard making kinect into the whole controller free gaming bs.

Eddie-Vedder

1. WII Remote
2. Kinect
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1. WII Remote
2. Kinect
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speedfog

Or you could pick kinect and play... Gun stringer :|

:lol:

pft

Move

pft

Move

pft

[QUOTE="sonic1564"]

Arguing with a brick wall makes more sense than arguing with Eddie-Vedder.

Eddie-Vedder

I agree 100%. The Kinect wishes it could work with core games, but it is such a bad controller that it isn't even an option in any game other than Kinect Only games. Lol@voice recognition in a game like Mass Effect, talk about showing exactly how effective the Kinect is as a game controller. They have to limit it to voice commands in order to get it to work properly.

Basically here's the deal. Kinect only games suck and Move only games suck as well. The problem is, Kinect only works with Kinect only games, whereas the Move works with Killzone, Heavy Rain, Dust, MAG, LittleBigPlanet, Bioshock Infinite, SOCOM, Resistance 3, and not only that, it works really well. The Kinect on the other hand is such a failure of a controller that it cannot be implemented into core games, only Kinect specific games, and the results of that are games like Steel Batallion Heavy Armor and Kinect Star Wars.

I'm basically repeating what's already been said ITT. People say that Eddie-Vedder is biased for saying this, but I'll tell you who is biased, Kinect apologists. How can you defend the Kinect? It really is the biggest piece of trash that gaming has seen, quite possibly of all time. The worst part about it is that so many people bought it, so Microsoft feels obligated to support the thing 100%. To add insult to injury, Microsoft is hell bent on proving to the world that Kinect is able to play core games. So rather than getting more solid exclusives that use the 360 controller, you're getting games like Rise of Nightmares whether you like it or not.

Thankfully, I also have all of the other systems to make up for the Xbox 360's major drop off.

[QUOTE="speedfog"]

1. WII Remote
2. Kinect
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Eddie-Vedder

Or you could pick kinect and play... Gun stringer :|

:lol:

Wow you really keep tryin to make yourself look even worse dude , since you use games "that got supported later on with move" , then kinect has Graw the new one, mass effect 3 should i keep goin' ? and gunstringer is actually pretty good game even tho its on rails.. anyway you should really consider stop posting you take this way to serious, its entertainment systems dude - you dont gain anything from sayin this. just sayin' its just that its really gettin old and tiresome its the same thing cows say over and over again .. what about go play these magical games.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="speedfog"]

1. WII Remote
2. Kinect
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10. Move

Strutten

Or you could pick kinect and play... Gun stringer :|

:lol:

Wow you really keep tryin to make yourself look even worse dude , since you use games "that got supported later on with move" , then kinect has Graw the new one, mass effect 3 should i keep goin' ? and gunstringer is actually pretty good game even tho its on rails.. anyway you should really consider stop posting you take this way to serious, its entertainment systems dude - you dont gain anything from sayin this. just sayin' its just that its really gettin old and tiresome its the same thing cows say over and over again .. what about go play these magical games.

Lol, Kinect implementation in games like Mass Effect 3 is limited to voice commands. You know why? It's because it sucks as a controller. Why can't you play the game using Kinect? Because it flat out wouldn't work. Mass Effect 3 using Kinect controls would score a 3/10.

People hate on the iPad/Pod/Phone games because of the touch screen button interface, saying that physical buttons are superior. But you know what's even worse than touch screen buttons? No buttons at all. The Move will always be infinitely better than the Kinect because it has physical buttons and an analog stick.

I can confidently say that the Kinect is the worst video game controller of all-time.

[QUOTE="Strutten"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] You say that to troll, but if you were forced to be stuck in a room with Kinect or Move, you'd pick Move, cause theres nothing to play with Kinect and with Move you could play some Heavy Rain, Killzone 3, LBP3, Some MAG, maybe a little MLB the Show or Vitua Tennis or Tiger woods, some RE5 or Sly Collection maybe even some sports champions or Socom 4.

Or you could pick kinect and play... Gun stringer :|

:lol:

arkephonic

Wow you really keep tryin to make yourself look even worse dude , since you use games "that got supported later on with move" , then kinect has Graw the new one, mass effect 3 should i keep goin' ? and gunstringer is actually pretty good game even tho its on rails.. anyway you should really consider stop posting you take this way to serious, its entertainment systems dude - you dont gain anything from sayin this. just sayin' its just that its really gettin old and tiresome its the same thing cows say over and over again .. what about go play these magical games.

Lol, Kinect implementation in games like Mass Effect 3 is limited to voice commands. You know why? It's because it sucks as a controller. Why can't you play the game using Kinect? Because it flat out wouldn't work. Mass Effect 3 using Kinect controls would score a 3/10.

Omg, Point is kinect was aimed for casual nothing more nothing less(even tho some devs have failed pretty hard). And yes you can play games with kinect , tho controls is awkward and needs time to master. and no i dont like kinect super much(ill prefer controller/move over kinect, but its doing really good for kids/casual that just wanna have some fun- which is the point of kinect), also imo its good for their first attempt too try something new/else - from here on and out it can only gets better.. but that seems you guys are forgetting that , and only thinks that kinect is for the "hardcore".

And by that its all you cows got, Same thing different day/every thread.

"They both suck" and yet you say Move is underrated.

lol fanboys logic :P

At least Kinect has games that cater to the people who buy the product for casual stuff. Move on the other hand is a hands me down version that's trying to be both the Wii and Kinect but with no substance.

The Move is terrible and Sony would've been just better off never investing into it and put more effort into their Vita and PSN teams.

"They both suck" and yet you say Move is underrated.

lol fanboys logic :P

FireSpirit117

At least Kinect has games that cater to the people who buy the product for casual stuff. Move on the other hand is a hands me down version that's trying to be both the Wii and Kinect but with no substance.

The Move is terrible and Sony would've been just better off never investing into it and put more effort into their Vita and PSN teams.

sanim02

[QUOTE="FireSpirit117"]

"They both suck" and yet you say Move is underrated.

lol fanboys logic :P

Eddie-Vedder

which is does "supported" games with kinect - and kinect is still mostly aimed for kids/casuals .. so why even keep tryin.?

[QUOTE="FireSpirit117"]

"They both suck" and yet you say Move is underrated.

lol fanboys logic :P

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="FireSpirit117"]

"They both suck" and yet you say Move is underrated.

lol fanboys logic :P

Eddie-Vedder

Why the hell would you play a "core game" with the Move when you have the option of a DS3? Kinect is made for the casuals, Move doesn't even know what it wants to be and fails at both.

Want casual games? Go with Kinect, Wii or get stuff from Apps Store. Want core games? Do I even need to tell you where to look?

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

At least Kinect has games that cater to the people who buy the product for casual stuff. Move on the other hand is a hands me down version that's trying to be both the Wii and Kinect but with no substance.

The Move is terrible and Sony would've been just better off never investing into it and put more effort into their Vita and PSN teams.

Eddie-Vedder

But it does have good games dude, tho its mostly for kids and the casual crowd, not all is aimed for the "hardcore", dunno what you are tryin to accomplish.

its AIMED for CASUALS. :|

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Strutten"]

Wow you really keep tryin to make yourself look even worse dude , since you use games "that got supported later on with move" , then kinect has Graw the new one, mass effect 3 should i keep goin' ? and gunstringer is actually pretty good game even tho its on rails.. anyway you should really consider stop posting you take this way to serious, its entertainment systems dude - you dont gain anything from sayin this. just sayin' its just that its really gettin old and tiresome its the same thing cows say over and over again .. what about go play these magical games.

Strutten

Lol, Kinect implementation in games like Mass Effect 3 is limited to voice commands. You know why? It's because it sucks as a controller. Why can't you play the game using Kinect? Because it flat out wouldn't work. Mass Effect 3 using Kinect controls would score a 3/10.

Omg, Point is kinect was aimed for casual nothing more nothing less(even tho some devs have failed pretty hard). And yes you can play games with kinect , tho controls is awkward and needs time to master. and no i dont like kinect super much(ill prefer controller/move over kinect, but its doing really good for kids/casual that just wanna have some fun- which is the point of kinect), also imo its good for their first attempt too try something new/else - from here on and out it can only gets better.. but that seems you guys are forgetting that , and only thinks that kinect is for the "hardcore".

And by that its all you cows got, Same thing different day/every thread.

You seem to be forgetting that Microsoft is trying to prove to the world that Kinect is a hardcore controller for core games, yet they keep failing miserably with games like Kinect Star Wars and Steel Batallion.

And no, Kinect isn't a good first attempt. The worst video game controller of all time can't be considered a good first attempt.

Not only does it lack physical buttons, but it can't even deliver off-rail experiences. Every game played on it is on-rails. If you take Kinect off-rails, watch the Rise of Nightmares review to see how that works out.

So not only are the controls completely broken, but the Kinect as a device suffers from latency issues. It can only track at 30 frames per second, so any fast movements will throw it off. Secondly, it views at a 640x480 resolution which is very low. Thirdly, the staging for it is quite ridiculous, any controller that requires staging is automatically lol.

Basically, Kinect takes everything the industry has learned and mastered about controllers for the last 40 years and thrown it out the window. Not only that, the ceiling for potential is extremely low. The simple fact that it doesn't use physical buttons, or even touch screen buttons, combined with the fact that there's no navigational analog stick make it so the Kinect will never amount to anything. Not Kinect 1.0, not Kinect 2.0, not Kinect 3.0 and not Kinect 4.0.

It's only a matter of time until these dumb consumers realize they bought a paper weight peripheral only capable of playing dance games. Smart consumers like me have avoided Kinect like the plague since its inception, but the average consumer isn't smart like me, they're in fact quite dumb. Let's see how many Kinect Star Wars and Steel Batallions need to be released before they realize just how dumb they really are.

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="FireSpirit117"]

"They both suck" and yet you say Move is underrated.

lol fanboys logic :P

drinkerofjuice

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

At least Kinect has games that cater to the people who buy the product for casual stuff. Move on the other hand is a hands me down version that's trying to be both the Wii and Kinect but with no substance.

The Move is terrible and Sony would've been just better off never investing into it and put more effort into their Vita and PSN teams.

Eddie-Vedder

Microsoft doesn't need to make exclusives besides Halo, Gears and Forza because that's all they need. They have the best third party support and they brought in casuals, at least they know what they are doing unlike Sony and the sales show.

Why the hell would you look for core games on the Move when you already have an extensive library of core games on the PS3? Also Microsoft would've been better off never making Kinect? It's made them hella money. I wouldn't say the Move is useless if it at least did that, but no it doesn't have games or the huge commercial success.

[QUOTE="FireSpirit117"]

"They both suck" and yet you say Move is underrated.

lol fanboys logic :P

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"] Funny how you're the only one who seems to care though.drinkerofjuice

"They both suck" and yet you say Move is underrated.

lol fanboys logic :P

FireSpirit117

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Funny how you're the only one who cares about people caring. Though. lol. Eddie-Vedder

:lol:

Surely even you can spot the irony in that, right?

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="sanim02"]

At least Kinect has games that cater to the people who buy the product for casual stuff. Move on the other hand is a hands me down version that's trying to be both the Wii and Kinect but with no substance.

The Move is terrible and Sony would've been just better off never investing into it and put more effort into their Vita and PSN teams.

sanim02

Microsoft doesn't need to make exclusives besides Halo, Gears and Forza because that's all they need. They have the best third party support and they brought in casuals, at least they know what they are doing unlike Sony and the sales show.

Why the hell would you look for core games on the Move when you already have an extensive library of core games on the PS3? Also Microsoft would've been better off never making Kinect? It's made them hella money. I wouldn't say the Move is useless if it at least did that, but no it doesn't have games or the huge commercial success.

The difference is that Sony is treating their motion controls exactly how they should be treated. Secondary to everything else. Sony makes a core game designed around the DualShock 3, and they throw in Move support as an OPTION. Sony goes and makes another core game designed around the DualShock 3, and they throw in Move support as an OPTION. Move is there as an OPTION for people who like motion controls. They aren't wasting their time creating a bunch of Move only games, Move isn't holding them back at all. They're doing what they're doing and throwing Move implementation into games that they see fit. It's exactly the amount of attention motion controls deserve, they deserve to be treated as secondary and the option is there for the people who want them.

Kinect on the other hand is Microsoft's main focus now. They're taking in-house 1st party studios and putting them exclusively on Kinect development, making Kinect-only games. No option for a 360 controller here, it's all Kinect, all day every day. People say Microsoft has gone 100% casual, and they're right. While Sony is treating motion controls as a secondary option with no focus on it whatsoever, they are Microsoft's entire focus. Sony doesn't even skip a beat because of motion controls/Move, they just tack it on to what was already a game being released with DualShock 3 controls.

[QUOTE="Strutten"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Lol, Kinect implementation in games like Mass Effect 3 is limited to voice commands. You know why? It's because it sucks as a controller. Why can't you play the game using Kinect? Because it flat out wouldn't work. Mass Effect 3 using Kinect controls would score a 3/10.

arkephonic

Omg, Point is kinect was aimed for casual nothing more nothing less(even tho some devs have failed pretty hard). And yes you can play games with kinect , tho controls is awkward and needs time to master. and no i dont like kinect super much(ill prefer controller/move over kinect, but its doing really good for kids/casual that just wanna have some fun- which is the point of kinect), also imo its good for their first attempt too try something new/else - from here on and out it can only gets better.. but that seems you guys are forgetting that , and only thinks that kinect is for the "hardcore".

And by that its all you cows got, Same thing different day/every thread.

You seem to be forgetting that Microsoft is trying to prove to the world that Kinect is a hardcore controller for core games, yet they keep failing miserably with games like Kinect Star Wars and Steel Batallion.

And no, Kinect isn't a good first attempt. The worst video game controller of all time can't be considered a good first attempt.

Not only does it lack physical buttons, but it can't even deliver off-rail experiences. Every game played on it is on-rails. If you take Kinect off-rails, watch the Rise of Nightmares review to see how that works out.

So not only are the controls completely broken, but the Kinect as a device suffers from latency issues. It can only track at 30 frames per second, so any fast movements will throw it off. Secondly, it views at a 640x480 resolution which is very low. Thirdly, the staging for it is quite ridiculous, any controller that requires staging is automatically lol.

Basically, Kinect takes everything the industry has learned and mastered about controllers for the last 40 years and thrown it out the window. Not only that, the ceiling for potential is extremely low. The simple fact that it doesn't use physical buttons, or even touch screen buttons, combined with the fact that there's no navigational analog stick make it so the Kinect will never amount to anything. Not Kinect 1.0, not Kinect 2.0, not Kinect 3.0 and not Kinect 4.0.

It's only a matter of time until these dumb consumers realize they bought a paper weight peripheral only capable of playing dance games. Smart consumers like me have avoided Kinect like the plague since its inception, but the average consumer isn't smart like me, they're in fact quite dumb. Let's see how many Kinect Star Wars and Steel Batallions need to be released before they realize just how dumb they really are.

Reading comprehension dude ?

Worst controller okay, eyetoy and quite a few controllers before that - you started gaming this gen, sure sounds like it - anyway ive got rise of nightmares which worked out okay actually - and you are stating alot for things which none of us knows jack about - so let it just be there. you only list what 2-4 games you know of what about the rest, they actually works dude doesnt matter if "YOU" like or not its works and especially for the casual crowd, they dont think about omg 0.3 sec lag its pathetic. you really need some better arguements dude. main purpose for kinect was games for the youngsters, which works insanely good.

Well no sh*t sherlock facepalm, just because you dont like and think its "only aimed" for "the hardcore", already there your logic fails .. its aimed for the casual crowd and kids mostly - thothere have been attempts for it, i would actually say thats its only one "core" title whichs is steel batallion. (which purely comes down too the person , cant really use hard"core" term on games.)

You are an adult or i assumes (even tho it doesnt sounds like it) anyway.. smart you say like i said before kids doesnt care or think about input lag and what not. but only just to have fun only, which is the point of gaming. and by that logic games need to be what fps, tps or what to be core ? you cant use that term on games . it comes down the individual if that person is casual gamer or core.

also ms is making cash on , why stop when kids loves too game that way ?

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] At least the Move has core gaming support and isn't Sony's main focus, kinect has no good games and is M$'s central strategy. M$ would have been better off never making Kinect and wasting it's time and money on actual good gaming application features or games. All comes down to perspective doesn't it?arkephonic

Microsoft doesn't need to make exclusives besides Halo, Gears and Forza because that's all they need. They have the best third party support and they brought in casuals, at least they know what they are doing unlike Sony and the sales show.

Why the hell would you look for core games on the Move when you already have an extensive library of core games on the PS3? Also Microsoft would've been better off never making Kinect? It's made them hella money. I wouldn't say the Move is useless if it at least did that, but no it doesn't have games or the huge commercial success.

The difference is that Sony is treating their motion controls exactly how they should be treated. Secondary to everything else. Sony makes a core game designed around the DualShock 3, and they throw in Move support as an OPTION. Sony goes and makes another core game designed around the DualShock 3, and they throw in Move support as an OPTION. Move is there as an OPTION for people who like motion controls. They aren't wasting their time creating a bunch of Move only games, Move isn't holding them back at all. They're doing what they're doing and throwing Move implementation into games that they see fit. It's exactly the amount of attention motion controls deserve, they deserve to be treated as secondary and the option is there for the people who want them.

Kinect on the other hand is Microsoft's main focus now. They're taking in-house 1st party studios and putting them exclusively on Kinect development, making Kinect-only games. No option for a 360 controller here, it's all Kinect, all day every day. People say Microsoft has gone 100% casual, and they're right. While Sony is treating motion controls as a secondary option with no focus on it whatsoever, they are Microsoft's entire focus. Sony doesn't even skip a beat because of motion controls/Move, they just tack it on to what was already a game being released with DualShock 3 controls.

Massive facepalm, nothing more nothing less.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="Strutten"]

Omg, Point is kinect was aimed for casual nothing more nothing less(even tho some devs have failed pretty hard). And yes you can play games with kinect , tho controls is awkward and needs time to master. and no i dont like kinect super much(ill prefer controller/move over kinect, but its doing really good for kids/casual that just wanna have some fun- which is the point of kinect), also imo its good for their first attempt too try something new/else - from here on and out it can only gets better.. but that seems you guys are forgetting that , and only thinks that kinect is for the "hardcore".

And by that its all you cows got, Same thing different day/every thread.

Strutten

You seem to be forgetting that Microsoft is trying to prove to the world that Kinect is a hardcore controller for core games, yet they keep failing miserably with games like Kinect Star Wars and Steel Batallion.

And no, Kinect isn't a good first attempt. The worst video game controller of all time can't be considered a good first attempt.

Not only does it lack physical buttons, but it can't even deliver off-rail experiences. Every game played on it is on-rails. If you take Kinect off-rails, watch the Rise of Nightmares review to see how that works out.

So not only are the controls completely broken, but the Kinect as a device suffers from latency issues. It can only track at 30 frames per second, so any fast movements will throw it off. Secondly, it views at a 640x480 resolution which is very low. Thirdly, the staging for it is quite ridiculous, any controller that requires staging is automatically lol.

Basically, Kinect takes everything the industry has learned and mastered about controllers for the last 40 years and thrown it out the window. Not only that, the ceiling for potential is extremely low. The simple fact that it doesn't use physical buttons, or even touch screen buttons, combined with the fact that there's no navigational analog stick make it so the Kinect will never amount to anything. Not Kinect 1.0, not Kinect 2.0, not Kinect 3.0 and not Kinect 4.0.

It's only a matter of time until these dumb consumers realize they bought a paper weight peripheral only capable of playing dance games. Smart consumers like me have avoided Kinect like the plague since its inception, but the average consumer isn't smart like me, they're in fact quite dumb. Let's see how many Kinect Star Wars and Steel Batallions need to be released before they realize just how dumb they really are.

Reading comprehension dude ?

Worst controller okay, eyetoy and quite a few controllers before that - you started gaming this gen, sure sounds like it - anyway ive got rise of nightmares which worked out okay actually - and you are stating alot for things which none of us knows jack about - so let it just be there. you only list what 2-4 games you know of what about the rest, they actually works dude doesnt matter if "YOU" like or not its works and especially for the casual crowd, they dont think about omg 0.3 sec lag its pathetic. you really need some better arguements dude. main purpose for kinect was games for the youngsters, which works insanely good.

Well no sh*t sherlock facepalm, just because you dont like and think its "only aimed" for "the hardcore", already there your logic fails .. its aimed for the casual crowd and kids mostly - thothere have been attempts for i would actually only say on core title whichs is steel batallion

You are an adult or i assumes (even tho it doesnt sounds like it) anyway.. smart you say like i said before kids doesnt care or think about input lag and what not. but only just to have fun only, which is the point of gaming. and by that logic games need to be what fps, tps or what to be core ? you cant use that term on games . it comes down the individual if that person is casual gamer or core.

Lol, admittedly I haven't seen many Kinect apologists on here, you're probably the 4th or 5th, but I gotta say, your arguments for it are the worst. Your constant scapegoat cop-out is that it's for children and casuals. What a horrible excuse. Why should children or casuals be succumbed to the worst controller in video game history? They should just use the Move, Wii or iOS for a much more enjoyable experience.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="sanim02"]

Microsoft doesn't need to make exclusives besides Halo, Gears and Forza because that's all they need. They have the best third party support and they brought in casuals, at least they know what they are doing unlike Sony and the sales show.

Why the hell would you look for core games on the Move when you already have an extensive library of core games on the PS3? Also Microsoft would've been better off never making Kinect? It's made them hella money. I wouldn't say the Move is useless if it at least did that, but no it doesn't have games or the huge commercial success.

Strutten

The difference is that Sony is treating their motion controls exactly how they should be treated. Secondary to everything else. Sony makes a core game designed around the DualShock 3, and they throw in Move support as an OPTION. Sony goes and makes another core game designed around the DualShock 3, and they throw in Move support as an OPTION. Move is there as an OPTION for people who like motion controls. They aren't wasting their time creating a bunch of Move only games, Move isn't holding them back at all. They're doing what they're doing and throwing Move implementation into games that they see fit. It's exactly the amount of attention motion controls deserve, they deserve to be treated as secondary and the option is there for the people who want them.

Kinect on the other hand is Microsoft's main focus now. They're taking in-house 1st party studios and putting them exclusively on Kinect development, making Kinect-only games. No option for a 360 controller here, it's all Kinect, all day every day. People say Microsoft has gone 100% casual, and they're right. While Sony is treating motion controls as a secondary option with no focus on it whatsoever, they are Microsoft's entire focus. Sony doesn't even skip a beat because of motion controls/Move, they just tack it on to what was already a game being released with DualShock 3 controls.

Massive facepalm, nothing more nothing less.

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Funny how you're the only one who cares about people caring. Though. lol. Eddie-Vedder

Who's the "moron" now?

[QUOTE="Strutten"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

The difference is that Sony is treating their motion controls exactly how they should be treated. Secondary to everything else. Sony makes a core game designed around the DualShock 3, and they throw in Move support as an OPTION. Sony goes and makes another core game designed around the DualShock 3, and they throw in Move support as an OPTION. Move is there as an OPTION for people who like motion controls. They aren't wasting their time creating a bunch of Move only games, Move isn't holding them back at all. They're doing what they're doing and throwing Move implementation into games that they see fit. It's exactly the amount of attention motion controls deserve, they deserve to be treated as secondary and the option is there for the people who want them.

Kinect on the other hand is Microsoft's main focus now. They're taking in-house 1st party studios and putting them exclusively on Kinect development, making Kinect-only games. No option for a 360 controller here, it's all Kinect, all day every day. People say Microsoft has gone 100% casual, and they're right. While Sony is treating motion controls as a secondary option with no focus on it whatsoever, they are Microsoft's entire focus. Sony doesn't even skip a beat because of motion controls/Move, they just tack it on to what was already a game being released with DualShock 3 controls.

JC_Spot

Massive facepalm, nothing more nothing less.

I never said anything about loyalty. All I did was state reality.

[QUOTE="Strutten"]

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

You seem to be forgetting that Microsoft is trying to prove to the world that Kinect is a hardcore controller for core games, yet they keep failing miserably with games like Kinect Star Wars and Steel Batallion.

And no, Kinect isn't a good first attempt. The worst video game controller of all time can't be considered a good first attempt.

Not only does it lack physical buttons, but it can't even deliver off-rail experiences. Every game played on it is on-rails. If you take Kinect off-rails, watch the Rise of Nightmares review to see how that works out.

So not only are the controls completely broken, but the Kinect as a device suffers from latency issues. It can only track at 30 frames per second, so any fast movements will throw it off. Secondly, it views at a 640x480 resolution which is very low. Thirdly, the staging for it is quite ridiculous, any controller that requires staging is automatically lol.

Basically, Kinect takes everything the industry has learned and mastered about controllers for the last 40 years and thrown it out the window. Not only that, the ceiling for potential is extremely low. The simple fact that it doesn't use physical buttons, or even touch screen buttons, combined with the fact that there's no navigational analog stick make it so the Kinect will never amount to anything. Not Kinect 1.0, not Kinect 2.0, not Kinect 3.0 and not Kinect 4.0.

It's only a matter of time until these dumb consumers realize they bought a paper weight peripheral only capable of playing dance games. Smart consumers like me have avoided Kinect like the plague since its inception, but the average consumer isn't smart like me, they're in fact quite dumb. Let's see how many Kinect Star Wars and Steel Batallions need to be released before they realize just how dumb they really are.

arkephonic

Reading comprehension dude ?

Worst controller okay, eyetoy and quite a few controllers before that - you started gaming this gen, sure sounds like it - anyway ive got rise of nightmares which worked out okay actually - and you are stating alot for things which none of us knows jack about - so let it just be there. you only list what 2-4 games you know of what about the rest, they actually works dude doesnt matter if "YOU" like or not its works and especially for the casual crowd, they dont think about omg 0.3 sec lag its pathetic. you really need some better arguements dude. main purpose for kinect was games for the youngsters, which works insanely good.

Well no sh*t sherlock facepalm, just because you dont like and think its "only aimed" for "the hardcore", already there your logic fails .. its aimed for the casual crowd and kids mostly - thothere have been attempts for i would actually only say on core title whichs is steel batallion

You are an adult or i assumes (even tho it doesnt sounds like it) anyway.. smart you say like i said before kids doesnt care or think about input lag and what not. but only just to have fun only, which is the point of gaming. and by that logic games need to be what fps, tps or what to be core ? you cant use that term on games . it comes down the individual if that person is casual gamer or core.

Lol, admittedly I haven't seen many Kinect apologists on here, you're probably the 4th or 5th, but I gotta say, your arguments for it are the worst. Your constant scapegoat cop-out is that it's for children and casuals. What a horrible excuse. Why should children or casuals be succumbed to the worst controller in video game history? They should just use the Move, Wii or iOS for a much more enjoyable experience.

Omg seriously, dodging as you please like always i see .. Do you think "Core" gamers got it to the sells where its now dude " ITS FOR KIDS MOSTLY! what is it thats so hard to understand, please use the upper levels. And all i see is your that "baaaawwa i dont like it" which now its comes down to youre own fanboyish opinion yet again like always, i get it you dont like, but you really dont gain anything for constantly bashing for not liking a product.. the games and kinect for casuals works good and supported games also - which is their selling point for kinect mostly. really dont see where you goin' with these. typical fanboy dodging nothing new i guess.

You keep sayin worst controller in history keep telling yourself that dude .

anyway im done arguing with you, zero hold in youre comments and rather pointless.