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#51  Edited By gago-gago
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Could you play SFV online on the PS4 free?

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#52  Edited By deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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@NathanDrakeSwag:

Sony decided to charge for PS+ BEFORE the X1 and PS4 even came out so by yout logic MS was by far a competitor of Sony since the PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 until late in the console cycle. So what the hell are you even talking about LOL. Sony made up there minds before the launch that they would charge for PS+. You think if yoy ask Sony why they charge for PS+ they going to say MS made us do it LOL. What a clown, I guess it's MS fault you have to pay for PSNOW too huj.

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#53 naughtyottsel
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@gago-gago said:

Could you play SFV online on the PS4 free?

Nope.

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#54 naughtyottsel
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@NathanDrakeSwag:

Sony decided to charge for PS+ BEFORE the X1 and PS4 even came out so by yout logic MS was by far a competitor of Sony since the PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 until late in the console cycle. So what the hell are you even talking about LOL. Sony made up there minds before the launch that they would charge for PS+. You think if yoy ask Sony why they charge for PS+ they going to say MS made us do it LOL. What a clown, I guess it's MS fault you have to pay for PSNOW too huj.

PS Now I don't mind since it's a streaming service, PS+ however is bullshite

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#55 NFJSupreme
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@NathanDrakeSwag: Sony was failing with ps3 that is why they changed their business model. Sure blame Microsoft for Sony failures if you like but it's Sonys failures that led to the ps4 model. It had nothing going to do with the success or lack thereof of the xbone. Again Im assuming you are just trolling and don't actually believe the bullshit you are typing

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#56 deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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Do you even proofread the things you type before you press enter or do you just go into a blind rage whenever you see anything Playstation or Sony and become a mad typer LMAO

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#57  Edited By kvally
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Translation: Xbox and Playstation players are suckers.

Fixed.

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#58 NathanDrakeSwag
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@NathanDrakeSwag:

Sony decided to charge for PS+ BEFORE the X1 and PS4 even came out so by yout logic MS was by far a competitor of Sony since the PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 until late in the console cycle. So what the hell are you even talking about LOL. Sony made up there minds before the launch that they would charge for PS+. You think if yoy ask Sony why they charge for PS+ they going to say MS made us do it LOL. What a clown, I guess it's MS fault you have to pay for PSNOW too huj.

Sony made the choice after seeing M$' disastrous console reveal. It was game over after that and everyone knew it. We still see the effects of that disaster reflected in sales today where M$ can't even compete in America. The damage was done.

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#60  Edited By deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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@NathanDrakeSwag:

So what you telling me is Sony don't care about gamers then? They didn't care to keep PS+ free for gamers and said F you'll we charging you now cause MS messed up their launch? That's what you telling me?

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#61 kvally
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag:

Sony decided to charge for PS+ BEFORE the X1 and PS4 even came out so by yout logic MS was by far a competitor of Sony since the PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 until late in the console cycle. So what the hell are you even talking about LOL. Sony made up there minds before the launch that they would charge for PS+. You think if yoy ask Sony why they charge for PS+ they going to say MS made us do it LOL. What a clown, I guess it's MS fault you have to pay for PSNOW too huj.

Sony made the choice after seeing M$' disastrous console reveal. It was game over after that and everyone knew it. We still see the effects of that disaster reflected in sales today where M$ can't even compete in America. The damage was done.

$ony hasn't made any choices other than to rape us with online fees. It's a bummer that $ony keeps playing follow the leader instead of being innovative. It's too bad that $ony started charging for multiplayer this gen, but it is what it is.

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#62 naughtyottsel
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@sts106mat said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag:

Sony decided to charge for PS+ BEFORE the X1 and PS4 even came out so by yout logic MS was by far a competitor of Sony since the PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 until late in the console cycle. So what the hell are you even talking about LOL. Sony made up there minds before the launch that they would charge for PS+. You think if yoy ask Sony why they charge for PS+ they going to say MS made us do it LOL. What a clown, I guess it's MS fault you have to pay for PSNOW too huj.

Sony made the choice after seeing M$' disastrous console reveal. It was game over after that and everyone knew it. We still see the effects of that disaster reflected in sales today where M$ can't even compete in America. The damage was done.

nobody should waste anymore time on this deluded fool.

Why not?

He's literally making me laugh my ass off, bored in hospital (lung erupted) and he's providing entertainment.

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#63 kvally
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@naughtyottsel said:
@sts106mat said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag:

Sony decided to charge for PS+ BEFORE the X1 and PS4 even came out so by yout logic MS was by far a competitor of Sony since the PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 until late in the console cycle. So what the hell are you even talking about LOL. Sony made up there minds before the launch that they would charge for PS+. You think if yoy ask Sony why they charge for PS+ they going to say MS made us do it LOL. What a clown, I guess it's MS fault you have to pay for PSNOW too huj.

Sony made the choice after seeing M$' disastrous console reveal. It was game over after that and everyone knew it. We still see the effects of that disaster reflected in sales today where M$ can't even compete in America. The damage was done.

nobody should waste anymore time on this deluded fool.

Why not?

He's literally making me laugh my ass off, bored in hospital (lung erupted) and he's providing entertainment.

Whoa...lung erupted? Not good :( You gonna make it?

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#64 deactivated-58abb194ab6fb
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Sony by nathanfakeswag logic everyone Sony isn't a gamers friendly product. Something that people love to point out as a negative towards MS you clearly now saying that's Sony mentality all along?

We got it now nathanfakeswag LOL.

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#65 NathanDrakeSwag
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@BigShotSmoov007 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag:

So what you telling me is Sony don't care about gamers then? They didn't care to keep PS+ free for gamers and said F you'll we charging you now cause MS messed up their launch? That's what you telling me?

PS+ was never free. They just decided to put an additional feature (online play) behind it when they realized they would have a monopoly on this gen. Sony are no saints. They just didn't go full retard like M$ did and knew how to capitalize of every mistake M$ made with the X1.

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#66 kingtito
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@kingtito said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Translation: Xbox players are suckers.

Hahah so what does that make Sony fans? They had free online play then all of a sudden Sony decides they're going to charge this gen. Cows were so adamantly against P2P ( and that's paying to 2 play for that special someone that has problems understanding that) online said it should always be free and would never pay for it. Then Sony starts charging and cows talk about how great it is now hahahhah......getting tired of looking stupid super cow?

Sony charges because they have no viable competition. They knew they could get away with it after M$ completely botched their console this gen. So even when Sony does something bad it's because of M$.

Hahahaha WTF hahaha damn you cows are dumb. Sony charges for online and it's MSs fault hahaha can't be anymore pathetic than that. Sony didn't charge last gen because they messed up so bad they didn't have a choice. They knew they'd lose even more market share if they tried so they made the claims online should be free and they'll never charge. In comes the PS4 and all of a sudden charging is a good thing. Cows have literally gained nothing by Sony charging.

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#67 silversix_
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"Aaron then explained that buying a PC as powerful as the Xbox One will require three times the Xbox One’s cost".


Takes a lot to achieve 800-900p at medium settings and 30fps lmao.

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#68 NathanDrakeSwag
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@naughtyottsel said:
@sts106mat said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag:

Sony decided to charge for PS+ BEFORE the X1 and PS4 even came out so by yout logic MS was by far a competitor of Sony since the PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 until late in the console cycle. So what the hell are you even talking about LOL. Sony made up there minds before the launch that they would charge for PS+. You think if yoy ask Sony why they charge for PS+ they going to say MS made us do it LOL. What a clown, I guess it's MS fault you have to pay for PSNOW too huj.

Sony made the choice after seeing M$' disastrous console reveal. It was game over after that and everyone knew it. We still see the effects of that disaster reflected in sales today where M$ can't even compete in America. The damage was done.

nobody should waste anymore time on this deluded fool.

Why not?

He's literally making me laugh my ass off, bored in hospital (lung erupted) and he's providing entertainment.

No one came to see you?

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#69 naughtyottsel
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@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:
@sts106mat said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@BigShotSmoov007 said:

@NathanDrakeSwag:

Sony decided to charge for PS+ BEFORE the X1 and PS4 even came out so by yout logic MS was by far a competitor of Sony since the PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 until late in the console cycle. So what the hell are you even talking about LOL. Sony made up there minds before the launch that they would charge for PS+. You think if yoy ask Sony why they charge for PS+ they going to say MS made us do it LOL. What a clown, I guess it's MS fault you have to pay for PSNOW too huj.

Sony made the choice after seeing M$' disastrous console reveal. It was game over after that and everyone knew it. We still see the effects of that disaster reflected in sales today where M$ can't even compete in America. The damage was done.

nobody should waste anymore time on this deluded fool.

Why not?

He's literally making me laugh my ass off, bored in hospital (lung erupted) and he's providing entertainment.

Whoa...lung erupted? Not good :( You gonna make it?

Yeah I had an issue with my lung last year (why I came to GS), looks like the surgery yesterday failed so I'll need a lung transplant.

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#70  Edited By iandizion713
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I agree with the majority, we shouldnt have to pay a middle man to play all games online. This is what i didnt like about Street Fighter 5. In order to unlock content you have to play online. Which is cool, but Sony charges you for online, so that means PC players unlock stuff for free, while Sony players have to pay Sony an online fee to unlock content on the game. Its a mess.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: Uh they did yesterday but my mom is busy and my brother is at college so they won't be here for another hour at least.

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#72 kvally
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@naughtyottsel said:
@kvally said:
@naughtyottsel said:
@sts106mat said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Sony made the choice after seeing M$' disastrous console reveal. It was game over after that and everyone knew it. We still see the effects of that disaster reflected in sales today where M$ can't even compete in America. The damage was done.

nobody should waste anymore time on this deluded fool.

Why not?

He's literally making me laugh my ass off, bored in hospital (lung erupted) and he's providing entertainment.

Whoa...lung erupted? Not good :( You gonna make it?

Yeah I had an issue with my lung last year (why I came to GS), looks like the surgery yesterday failed so I'll need a lung transplant.

Get well soon my friend.

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@iandizion713 said:

I agree with the majority, we shouldnt have to pay a middle man to play games online. This is what i didnt like about Street Fighter 5. In order to unlock content you have to play online. Which is cool, but Sony charges you for online, so that means PC players unlock stuff for free, while Sony fans have to pay Sony an online fee to unlock content on the game. Its a mess.

true that

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#74 naughtyottsel
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@kvally: haha thanks man, didn't mean to derail the thread like this though.

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@naughtyottsel said:

@kvally: haha thanks man, didn't mean to derail the thread like this though.

Damn I didn't know your back in the hospital. Wish you a speedy recovery.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@lostrib said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: but that is Sony's decision to get away with more, not because of MS

If M$ created a viable product Sony wouldn't have felt like they could get away with it.

Yup, MS's fault, SONY is in clear and int he right..AGAIN.

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@naughtyottsel: hope you are alright dude, that sounds bad ;-(

I'll be fine man but thanks so much for the concern, really makes it clear than we both don't truly hate each other :P

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#80 clone01
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Meh, okay, so its a scam. Who fucking cares? In the grand scheme of things, its a ridiculously minimal cost, like PS+. If you hate it that much, don't buy it or game on PC.

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#81  Edited By iandizion713
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@naughtyottsel: Yeah wish you a good recovery too, keep that body as strong as can be both physical and mentally.

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#82 lostrib
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@Heil68: what is MS's fault?

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@PurpleMan5000 said:

I've already resolved that I won't be renewing the free 1 year of gold that came with my Xbone.

If you don't already do this, then here's your chance. Sign up for Bing Rewards. You earn points for using Bing search every day. You must be at least 13 years old, so most people on the boards here shouldn't have an issue signing up for it.

  • 15 points earned for doing searches on your PC (2 searches = 1 point)
  • 10 points earned for doing searches on your mobile device (2 searches = 1 point)
  • There are usually 3 links in the Bing Dashboard you can click to earn 1 point each daily

You can generally earn 28 points a day with about 5-10 minutes of your time. There are sometimes emails that come to you where you can click the links to earn a couple points and at least once a week there's a 3 question quiz that earns you 3 points when completed. If you do all the searches, click all the links and do the once a week quiz, you can earn 199 points every 7 days.

Once you hit a Gold status (which isn't hard to do), you get a discount on rewards you can put your points towards. A month Xbox One Gold Membership costs 699 points (679 points for a Gold status). If you earn the 28 points a day, that means in 25 days you can use your points to buy a Xbox One month Gold Membership.

You can play Xbox One online with a Gold Membership for free, every month.

I tend to put my points to $5 Amazon gift cards. I've got $50 in gift cards saved up on Amazon.com.

Then, to top it off, you can also refer up to 5 people. If they make silver status, you can earn 50 points (up to 250). Last I checked, this requires an invite through Facebook.

It's something to think about if you like to game online with your Xbox One. It's a meager amount of your time to earn some points every day and you can game online for free.

This, so much of this. I don't know why people don't use the service. I set up two accounts, and have only paid for three of the 30 games I own, including my Live subscription.

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@Heil68 said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@lostrib said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: but that is Sony's decision to get away with more, not because of MS

If M$ created a viable product Sony wouldn't have felt like they could get away with it.

Yup, MS's fault, SONY is in clear and int he right..AGAIN.

The trolling never stops with this one

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#86 Heil68
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@kingtito said:
@Heil68 said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@lostrib said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: but that is Sony's decision to get away with more, not because of MS

If M$ created a viable product Sony wouldn't have felt like they could get away with it.

Yup, MS's fault, SONY is in clear and int he right..AGAIN.

The trolling never stops with this one

The stalking never stops with this one.

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@Heil68 said:
@kingtito said:
@Heil68 said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@lostrib said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: but that is Sony's decision to get away with more, not because of MS

If M$ created a viable product Sony wouldn't have felt like they could get away with it.

Yup, MS's fault, SONY is in clear and int he right..AGAIN.

The trolling never stops with this one

The stalking never stops with this one.

Hahaha

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#88 kvally
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These are not the cows you are looking for...

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@naughtyottsel:

Get well soon.

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@Fuhrer_D said:
@neatfeatguy said:
@PurpleMan5000 said:

I've already resolved that I won't be renewing the free 1 year of gold that came with my Xbone.

If you don't already do this, then here's your chance. Sign up for Bing Rewards. You earn points for using Bing search every day. You must be at least 13 years old, so most people on the boards here shouldn't have an issue signing up for it.

  • 15 points earned for doing searches on your PC (2 searches = 1 point)
  • 10 points earned for doing searches on your mobile device (2 searches = 1 point)
  • There are usually 3 links in the Bing Dashboard you can click to earn 1 point each daily

You can generally earn 28 points a day with about 5-10 minutes of your time. There are sometimes emails that come to you where you can click the links to earn a couple points and at least once a week there's a 3 question quiz that earns you 3 points when completed. If you do all the searches, click all the links and do the once a week quiz, you can earn 199 points every 7 days.

Once you hit a Gold status (which isn't hard to do), you get a discount on rewards you can put your points towards. A month Xbox One Gold Membership costs 699 points (679 points for a Gold status). If you earn the 28 points a day, that means in 25 days you can use your points to buy a Xbox One month Gold Membership.

You can play Xbox One online with a Gold Membership for free, every month.

I tend to put my points to $5 Amazon gift cards. I've got $50 in gift cards saved up on Amazon.com.

Then, to top it off, you can also refer up to 5 people. If they make silver status, you can earn 50 points (up to 250). Last I checked, this requires an invite through Facebook.

It's something to think about if you like to game online with your Xbox One. It's a meager amount of your time to earn some points every day and you can game online for free.

This, so much of this. I don't know why people don't use the service. I set up two accounts, and have only paid for three of the 30 games I own, including my Live subscription.

I'll honestly say that Bing search is awful (I mean, it's awful...downright shitty) when compared to Google, Yahoo or even Ask search engines, but at least with Bing you get points to spend. More people should do this. Easy to do, takes very little time and you can free stuff! Those that like playing Xbox Live....this is a very simple way to play online for free on your Xbox One.

So, stop waiting around and start it today. Free stuff is awesome!

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It costs money on the consoles because Microsoft and Sony pay for it.

It's free on PC because individual gamers pay for their own servers that are often funded by donation. Some F2P online games are free due to the revenue driven by their business model.

It doesn't seem like too hard of a concept to understand.

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#92 GhoX
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Consoles charge $ for basic MP because... they can.

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#93 Nick3306
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It is free on windows because they know PC users wont pay to use their online service, they will just not play the games and move on. Console users are forced to pay as they have no other option. This is the truth even if they refuse to say it.

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#94 deactivated-60cd6c3d31f6d
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@casharmy said:

lol that was TERRIBLE haha.

  • When giving all xbox one games away to PC players

MS: "we views Xbox One and Windows 10 as a singular platform"

  • When asked why xbox one players are still required to pay sub fee for online and their windows 10 players don't

MS: " it’s the case of different business model, and essentially two different markets in PC and Xbox"

lmao smh.

They cant even stop flip flopping in the same interview lol.

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#95 speedfog
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Doesn't matter it's already confirmed that the Xbox will be better then the ps4 hardware (altough that won't be hard since the ps4 is a sliiiiightly bit more powerful). Who cares about the small fee have you buy an awesome console for 250$.

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#96  Edited By l34052
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Ive recently discovered the joys of online play via GTA V on the pc. Ive played and completed it on the PS3/4 but never played online cause of the fees, now on pc that is completely irrelevent ive realised what a rip off gold and ps+ really is im amazed anyone pays it.

Dont get me wrong i love my playstations for their games but when it comes to playing online there really is only one obvious choice and its none of the consoles.

MS are the masters of brainwashing their users and ripping them off all the while convincing them its a good idea.

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#97  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Because we can, so why not? Money bags.

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#98 lawlessx
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@l34052 said:

Ive recently discovered the joys of online play via GTA V on the pc. Ive played and completed it on the PS3/4 but never played online cause of the fees, now on pc that is completely irrelevent ive realised what a rip off gold and ps+ really is im amazed anyone pays it.

Dont get me wrong i love my playstations for their games but when it comes to playing online there really is only one obvious choice and its none of the consoles.

MS are the masters of brainwashing their users and ripping them off all the while convincing them its a good idea.

if that were true they wouldn't be questioning why they're paying when PC gamers wont have to

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#99 l34052
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@lawlessx said:
@l34052 said:

Ive recently discovered the joys of online play via GTA V on the pc. Ive played and completed it on the PS3/4 but never played online cause of the fees, now on pc that is completely irrelevent ive realised what a rip off gold and ps+ really is im amazed anyone pays it.

Dont get me wrong i love my playstations for their games but when it comes to playing online there really is only one obvious choice and its none of the consoles.

MS are the masters of brainwashing their users and ripping them off all the while convincing them its a good idea.

if that were true they wouldn't be questioning why they're paying when PC gamers wont have to

and yet they do still keep paying regardless.....

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#100 lawlessx
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@l34052 said:
@lawlessx said:
@l34052 said:

Ive recently discovered the joys of online play via GTA V on the pc. Ive played and completed it on the PS3/4 but never played online cause of the fees, now on pc that is completely irrelevent ive realised what a rip off gold and ps+ really is im amazed anyone pays it.

Dont get me wrong i love my playstations for their games but when it comes to playing online there really is only one obvious choice and its none of the consoles.

MS are the masters of brainwashing their users and ripping them off all the while convincing them its a good idea.

if that were true they wouldn't be questioning why they're paying when PC gamers wont have to

and yet they do still keep paying regardless.....

because they don't have a choice.