MS Attempting to Explain Why Live MP Fee is Necessary, But Not So On PC

Kinda forced themselves into a corner even with an explanation people will feel screwed.

I actually agree with both of you here.

Both of you are right on the argument points you bring up.

Without MS's influence of charging for online (they did it with live since day 1) Sony would never have charged for the service

however

Sony didn't charge for online with PS3 and it was a choice to require a charge with PS+ and online for this gen whether they felt they needed the extra funds or not, it was a choice that Sony could make and they went with MS's force option.

More on Lostribs side: There was nothing wrong with Sony having PS+ as a sub service for game deals and keeping online for games free just like with PS3. Forcing the online portion under the PS+ sub was totally at Sony's discretion and they are the ones who signed off on it. :(

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@lostrib: You cant be serious if it wasnt for MS we would still be playing online free what MS did was create an opening for other companies to do the same sh** just like most games on pc,use to have free mods and stuff and now even the pc market is riddent by microtransactions.

MS charged people for 2 generations sony saw all that free cash coming in an join the party charging for online play is a rip off and always will be.

@NFJSupreme:

Yeah because pc players have nevwr being milk with an online fee right? You know is not like many mmorpg on pc have a monthly fee of 10 or more monthly right?

So how much is world or warcraft this days? 12 15 a MONTH whats that more than 100 per year.?

Ypu have being and most of you pc gamers are even more dumb paying 15 monthly for a game.

Xbox owners made it so by accepting to pay ..simple as that...if *all* XB1 owners cancel/stop paying & just say no & don't buy into BS paying line bla bla bla...you can be sure MS will stop. :P

So you can play better running versions of Xbone first(and third) party games on better hardware also without the Xbone live fee.

Ouch.

It's the hardware + the huge overhead for a company like MS to make it that explains the fee. And you don't have that on PC because you didn't have teams of designers and marketing teams deciding upon your final PC configuration and modifications on top of all the components.

I think you're partly still paying off the console, that that was the idea. And that works because review sites all market the XB1 as costing a certain price and that is incorrect unless you are part of the 5% or so who do not use the internet. I'm convinced that XBox Live itself would still be profitable on consoles without a fee.

@lawlessx: they do though, nobody is making them pay, I dont

LMAO @ the fanboys in here now blaming MS for Sony charging for online gaming LOL. Really people, if MS is so bad then why is Sony even following what they do then? If Sony is for the gamers and M$ is about the money since I always see people refer MS as M$, what do you call what Sony is doing? Do we now refer Sony as $ony or Paystation or Play$tation?

yup.

"a PC as powerful as the Xbox One will require three times the Xbox One’s cost"

Possibly the funniest thing he's ever said.

On topic though they are different markets, and Microsoft just would not be able to compete with steam if they charged for online on pc

@tormentos: why is MS responsible for the decisions Sony makes?

"a PC as powerful as the Xbox One will require three times the Xbox One’s cost"... I'm pretty sure I can build a PC that is more powerful and cheaper than the Xbone, and even then what does that have to do with network costs?

Everything that guy comes out with is total BS, does he think anyone takes him seriously at this point?

As for Sony, they figure Microsoft used the subscription service not only as a point of revenue but also to lock people to one platform. Sony had no choice when they announced it, I'm guessing if the market share was different then they might have made different decisions.

I still wont ever pay for online so anything they do to try to push will lose a sale for me.

@sts106mat:

LMAO, too good :D

If you really want to play dumb ok fact is if MS would have not charge for xbox live we would be playing now free,just like if they would have not filled the market with microtransactions games this days would probably be getting free stuff as well.

Bad things are learn fast specially when it leave more profits even PC is a testament of that which is now full of microtransasctions on its games when in the old days most of that crap would have being free.

But but but Live fee go towards making the service better.

But but but Live has Party chat that alone justify those $60 for me.

But but but I don't care about paying $60 is not that much.

But but but you pay for electricity so is ok to pay for online play.

But but but i play Halo and that is reason enough to pay...

Should i note the one comparing live with cable as well.?

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa it is because of lemmings like you that we pay for online play today on consoles,if you would have complain or form a riot like many did with the whole 24 hour check ups DRM no used games and all that crap,now we would be playing free.

"a PC as powerful as the Xbox One will require three times the Xbox One’s cost"...

But but but Greenberg never lie he work for MS...

$400 will yield you a PC stronger than the xbox one.

So in Greenberg words you need a a $1,050 PC to match the xbox one.?

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

PC users are not going to get 4 games a month.

You Sony fanboys think you need a $2,000 PC to match the PS4. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaa

That 30% more powerful GPU.

MS tried charging PC gamers and failed hard. In fact they failed so hard and got so embarrassed that they pretty much ditched PC gaming all together as a means of getting back at the player base who snubbed them. In the mean time they tried the same practice on the console player base and they lapped it up and even vocally defended the practice [insert choice insult]. This was so successful that Sony adopted the practice as well and now Sony fans have lapped it up and vocally defend the practice [insert choice insult].

MS have now come to realise that despite their lack of support PC gaming has gone from strength to strength, easily generating more money per year than all available consoles combined. They also know that they are better placed than most companies to attempt to exploit this massive market. They have a lot of work to do and releasing a couple of Xbox games is not enough for PC gamers who remember GFWL. Whether they get it right or not remains to be seen.

That's ok, most of the time the Games with Gold are shovel wear.

Of course online play should be free, but damn guys, due to plus (same for live gold) i have like 80 games in my HDD, some of them i would probably never hear about, and many of them are really good!

For those like me who love indies, i think these are pretty good deals.

Well maybe you can LINK me to were any one from sony boldly claim that you need a PC 3 times as expensive as the PS4 to match the PS4.lol

Neither did you for 2 generations when games with gold never existed,and live was just a toll fee on online gaming and i didn't saw you complaining..lol

@flyincloud1116: "Two different business models" yet they're trying to push all the games on both PC and Xbox One and call it a "singular platform". LOL

It's not necessary to online gaming or PC would have it. It's an extra expense. Let the corporations take your money if you want...but don't defend these practices.

Can't beat the PS4 with the xbox one.? Release your exclusives on PC claim unity and pretend those millions of windows users care 2 sh** about MS games and live on PC.

Yep, Microsoft is so shitty for not giving Xbox One its own identity.

Xbox one sales are NOT THAT BAD to where every single exclusive needs to also go to PC to help sales. I just cant believe that that would be the reasoning. I dont understand why they're doing this. When PS3 was the hate of the decade 10 years ago, Sony still chugged along and pumped out a lot of good exclusives that never went anywhere, even with poor sales of the PS3 for pretty much the first half of its life.