MS is damaging the franchises we all grew up with

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Actually you know what, I want to add to this. Lets use your spinned logic. Getting AA by innovating is better than playing it safe right?Well guess what. DMC3 played it safe, as I pointed out. DMC4 innovated, being the first game in the series to use the Devil Bringer and its mechanics, as well as the Exceed.So by your own false logic, DMC4 is better. Go on. Spin this Swift_Boss_A

please tell me the TC is joking. he cant actually believe the things hes spouting.

lol DMC4 innovated, they played it stupid, dumbing down the game for the Xbox audience who are not familiar with DMC. DMC3 did not play safe, the difficulty was intense and the gameplay was superb definitely superior to the crap-fest known as the devil bringer.Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Actually you know what, I want to add to this. Lets use your spinned logic. Getting AA by innovating is better than playing it safe right?Well guess what. DMC3 played it safe, as I pointed out. DMC4 innovated, being the first game in the series to use the Devil Bringer and its mechanics, as well as the Exceed.So by your own false logic, DMC4 is better. Go on. Spin this Swift_Boss_A

Oh man, now you're resorting to bashing the "Xbox audience".

:lol: Keep it coming man. This is great.

[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"]Actually you know what, I want to add to this. Lets use your spinned logic. Getting AA by innovating is better than playing it safe right?Well guess what. DMC3 played it safe, as I pointed out. DMC4 innovated, being the first game in the series to use the Devil Bringer and its mechanics, as well as the Exceed.So by your own false logic, DMC4 is better. Go on. Spin this Swift_Boss_A

What Xbox audience? What are you on about? DMC3 was released on PC, so why shouldn't it have been changed to cater for the PC gamers not familiar with it? ....seriously - go play your PS3 man! And crap-fest? I didn't play it, but DMC4 was not a crapfest.

Edit: Just saw that the PC version was seen to be not that brilliant, but still - someone else has clearly proved you wrong.

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"] lol DMC4 innovated, they played it stupid, dumbing down the game for the Xbox audience who are not familiar with DMC. DMC3 did not play safe, the difficulty was intense and the gameplay was superb definitely superior to the crap-fest known as the devil bringer.clone01

Sounds like a bitter cow who is angry over Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy, Tekken etc. going to the xbox :lol: People really need to get over that.Anjunaddict

I always felt this way for quite sometime but only recently was my suspicion proven to be true. Now in the past 2 gens RE, FF, DMC, Tekken were all heavyweight franchises but this gen they seem to have taken a back seat to Gears, Uncharted, Mass Effect. Not saying they are not popular but the general conscious is that the loved franchises are running out of steam, just look at the reviews. AAA franchises turned AA titles, not a big deal for a new IP to get AA but when such games mentioned get it you begin to wonder. What is causing the down-fall of these titles? I'll tell you what, it's the X-box 360! Multiplatform development has greatly sullied the name of these titles, making them lose the very thing that made them special, last gen they broke boundaries on what we thought was possible in gaming but this gen they are playing it safe and thus are becoming just like all the rest.Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"] lol DMC4 innovated, they played it stupid, dumbing down the game for the Xbox audience who are not familiar with DMC. DMC3 did not play safe, the difficulty was intense and the gameplay was superb definitely superior to the crap-fest known as the devil bringer.Swift_Boss_A

You're blaming MS for something the developers of the franchises are botching. Yeah, you are clearly not a Sony fanboy.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Sounds like a bitter cow who is angry over Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy, Tekken etc. going to the xbox :lol: People really need to get over that.Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]I always felt this way for quite sometime but only recently was my suspicion proven to be true. Now in the past 2 gens RE, FF, DMC, Tekken were all heavyweight franchises but this gen they seem to have taken a back seat to Gears, Uncharted, Mass Effect. Not saying they are not popular but the general conscious is that the loved franchises are running out of steam, just look at the reviews. AAA franchises turned AA titles, not a big deal for a new IP to get AA but when such games mentioned get it you begin to wonder. What is causing the down-fall of these titles? I'll tell you what, it's the X-box 360! Multiplatform development has greatly sullied the name of these titles, making them lose the very thing that made them special, last gen they broke boundaries on what we thought was possible in gaming but this gen they are playing it safe and thus are becoming just like all the rest.Renzokucant

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Sounds like a bitter cow who is angry over Devil May Cry, Final Fantasy, Tekken etc. going to the xbox :lol: People really need to get over that.Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Yeah Im so bitter that in my 2nd post I said they should have been timed exclusive to 360 :roll:Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Yeah Im so bitter that in my 2nd post I said they should have been timed exclusive to 360 :roll:Swift_Boss_A

lets see because of this and quite a few other threads and posts...Don't deny it your a Cow just face it. I don't deny I'm a lemming I own the 360, ps3 and Wii all of them from launch day...yet I'm a lemming and I revel in it. admit who you are on this forum and you'll have a far easier time because no one else believes your claims of honest unbias.WilliamRLBaker

What does that have to do with anything? If the games were made timed exclusive to the Xbox 360, surely, they would've been "dumbed down" as they are now, correct? Clearly, the Xbox audience you refer to can't possibly comprehend these games, so the games would've certainly been dumbed down for that audience even if the developers were concentrating solely on one platform, correct? Or are you going back on that statement?The_Game21x

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]lets see because of this and quite a few other threads and posts...Don't deny it your a Cow just face it. I don't deny I'm a lemming I own the 360, ps3 and Wii all of them from launch day...yet I'm a lemming and I revel in it. admit who you are on this forum and you'll have a far easier time because no one else believes your claims of honest unbias.Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]lets see because of this and quite a few other threads and posts...Don't deny it your a Cow just face it. I don't deny I'm a lemming I own the 360, ps3 and Wii all of them from launch day...yet I'm a lemming and I revel in it. admit who you are on this forum and you'll have a far easier time because no one else believes your claims of honest unbias.tikki25x

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]What does that have to do with anything? If the games were made timed exclusive to the Xbox 360, surely, they would've been "dumbed down" as they are now, correct? Clearly, the Xbox audience you refer to can't possibly comprehend these games, so the games would've certainly been dumbed down for that audience even if the developers were concentrating solely on one platform, correct? Or are you going back on that statement?Swift_Boss_A

I sure do. That's what happens when you have gaping holes in your argument. People like me can exploit them. :)

And now you're making the assumption that all multiplatform titles are inherently "dumbed down". Well sir, that's an opinion, not a fact. It's fine to believe that the games could've been better if they had been exclusive but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true.

[QUOTE="tikki25x"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Im a turtle, not a cow :x The only thing Im guilty off is disliking the Xbox brand, not the games exclusive to 360 and highly rated, just the brand. That makes me a cow I mean turtle then what-ever. SW's pretty silly anyway so I'll go along with it.Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]What does that have to do with anything? If the games were made timed exclusive to the Xbox 360, surely, they would've been "dumbed down" as they are now, correct? Clearly, the Xbox audience you refer to can't possibly comprehend these games, so the games would've certainly been dumbed down for that audience even if the developers were concentrating solely on one platform, correct? Or are you going back on that statement?Swift_Boss_A

And now you're making the assumption that all multiplatform titles are inherently "dumbed down". Well sir, that's an opinion, not a fact. It's fine to believe that the games could've been better if they had been exclusive but that doesn't necessarily mean it's trueThe_Game21x

Square said that? i rarely do this but... link please.

Here it comes again with the "what if" situation :roll: What if Wii had HD! Mario Galaxy would be 10/10! salxis

um... wtf

nice conversation you're having with yourself mate

88mphSlayer

LOL.

I'm sorry I had to laugh.

360 isnt holding back games. If you notice, most games that have lower scores are due to the fact that they ARE sequels, with non innovative upgrades, the same old same old... if a game comes out, and its a sequel, and the developers dont make the game fun, that has nothing to do with the 360 holdign it back, it has everything to do with the developers. We all know DMC4 has better graphics than DMC3... so how can graphics be the cause of the games poor rating? Simple, it can't... its the gameplay and storylines and all around feel of the game, of which the 360 has no impact on what so ever.

So TC, your thread is full of so much fail, it just blows my mind that you would follow Sony to ground on their long fall down.

[QUOTE="salxis"]Here it comes again with the "what if" situation :roll: What if Wii had HD! Mario Galaxy would be 10/10! Swift_Boss_A

ITT: "When in doubt, blame Microsoft."

Square said that? i rarely do this but... link please.

tikki25x

ITT: "When in doubt, blame Microsoft."

SpinoRaptor24

[QUOTE="tikki25x"]

Square said that? i rarely do this but... link please.

Swift_Boss_A

Ok TC, I think you need to see how some games from these franchises scored on the PS1 and PS2....


Tekken 4: 8.4

Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening: 8.6

Devil May Cry 2: 6.4

Resident Evil 3: 8.8

Final Fantasy IX: 8.5

Final Fantasy X-2: 8.1


For your benefit, here are the links.

Tekken 4

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/tekken4/review.html

Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakeining

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/devilmaycry3/review.html

Devil May Cry 2

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/devilmaycry2/review.html?tag=result;score;5

Resident Evil 3

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/adventure/residentevil3nemesis/review.html?tag=result;score;5

Final Fantasy IX

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/finalfantasy9/review.html?tag=result;score;9

Final Fantasy X-2

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasyx2/review.html?tag=result;score;0

By the way, since you brought up Metal Gear Solid 4, I'll throw in a bonus. I'll show you the Metal Gear Solid games that scored below AAA on the PS1 and PS2.

Metal Gear Solid: 8.5

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater : 8.7

Here are the links

Metal Gear Solid

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/adventure/metalgearsolid/review.html?tag=result;score;7

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/metalgearsolid3/review.html?tag=result;score;

Note that these review scores are from Gamespot, and are based on the PS1 or PS2 versions of the games. These aren't spinoffs or ports that might have been changed between systems.

So, tell me again how the 360 is hurting franchises when they have scored below AAA before this generation?

Ok TC, I think you need to see how some games from these franchises scored on the PS1 and PS2....


Tekken 4: 8.4

Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening: 8.6

Devil May Cry 2: 6.4

Resident Evil 3: 8.8

Final Fantasy IX: 8.5

Final Fantasy X-2: 8.1


For your benefit, here are the links.

Tekken 4

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/tekken4/review.html

Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakeining

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/devilmaycry3/review.html

Devil May Cry 2

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/devilmaycry2/review.html?tag=result;score;5

Resident Evil 3

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/adventure/residentevil3nemesis/review.html?tag=result;score;5

Final Fantasy IX

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/rpg/finalfantasy9/review.html?tag=result;score;9

Final Fantasy X-2

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/finalfantasyx2/review.html?tag=result;score;0

By the way, since you brought up Metal Gear Solid 4, I'll throw in a bonus. I'll show you the Metal Gear Solid games that scored below AAA on the PS1 and PS2.

Metal Gear Solid: 8.5

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater : 8.7

Here are the links

Metal Gear Solid

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/adventure/metalgearsolid/review.html?tag=result;score;7

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/metalgearsolid3/review.html?tag=result;score;

Note that these review scores are from Gamespot, and are based on the PS1 or PS2 versions of the games. These aren't spinoffs or ports that might have been changed between systems.

So, tell me again how the 360 is hurting franchises when they have scored below AAA before this generation?

caryslan2

[QUOTE="tikki25x"]

Square said that? i rarely do this but... link please.

Swift_Boss_A

ITT: "When in doubt, blame Microsoft."

^^^@caryslan2: Not counting MGS since MGS4 is not on 360 but Tekken has had 3 AAA titles in its franchise, FF has had many, DMC just one, RE is essentially AAA, I mean look at RE4. So I kinda stretched it by saying AAA but what I mean is these franchises were top of there game last 2 gens and now they are running out of steam because of multiplat development or MS paying devs to get the title. Thank god MS didn't get there grimy hands on MGS4, I wouldn't care if it goes to 360 now because the game didn't suffer due to multiplat development.Swift_Boss_A

^^^@caryslan2: Not counting MGS since MGS4 is not on 360 but Tekken has had 3 AAA titles in its franchise, FF has had many, DMC just one, RE is essentially AAA, I mean look at RE4. So I kinda stretched it by saying AAA but what I mean is these franchises were top of there game last 2 gens and now they are running out of steam because of multiplat development or MS paying devs to get the title. Thank god MS didn't get there grimy hands on MGS4, I wouldn't care if it goes to 360 now because the game didn't suffer due to multiplat development.Swift_Boss_A

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Sorry guys I had to split it into 3 parts because on the PS3 browser there is a limit to much text you can put in one post. BTW PLEASE read all before you you bash, I know SW's has a bit of reacting to things before actually reading the post. Do not just post after reading the title!! Skittles_McGee

pwned TC is pwned

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]^^^@caryslan2: Not counting MGS since MGS4 is not on 360 but Tekken has had 3 AAA titles in its franchise, FF has had many, DMC just one, RE is essentially AAA, I mean look at RE4. So I kinda stretched it by saying AAA but what I mean is these franchises were top of there game last 2 gens and now they are running out of steam because of multiplat development or MS paying devs to get the title. Thank god MS didn't get there grimy hands on MGS4, I wouldn't care if it goes to 360 now because the game didn't suffer due to multiplat development.twitchmonkey399

[QUOTE="twitchmonkey399"]

[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]^^^@caryslan2: Not counting MGS since MGS4 is not on 360 but Tekken has had 3 AAA titles in its franchise, FF has had many, DMC just one, RE is essentially AAA, I mean look at RE4. So I kinda stretched it by saying AAA but what I mean is these franchises were top of there game last 2 gens and now they are running out of steam because of multiplat development or MS paying devs to get the title. Thank god MS didn't get there grimy hands on MGS4, I wouldn't care if it goes to 360 now because the game didn't suffer due to multiplat development.Swift_Boss_A

All the Franchises I grew up with except for Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie, and Tooie are all on the Wii.

Isn't the Virtual Console grand?:lol: