MS, Nintendo, Sony - Earnings Results July-Sept 2010

[QUOTE="The_saint1976"]

[QUOTE="todd2r"]

you people do realize that this is 2010 right? its been 5 years since the 360 was released. and the ps3 is Finally catching up! its taken the ps3 4 years to catch up. by the time it does, this gen will be over. are you really gonna celebrate when that happens?

3rdbass

I love your spin, I can spin too.

You people do realize that this is 2010 right? It's taken MS 5 years to sell this many 360's, while it only took Sony 4 years to sell this many PS3's.

MS 44.6 divided by 5 = 8.92 million per year

Sony 41.6 divided by 4 = 10.4 million per year

So with that said, If PS3 released at the same time 360 did, we can come to this conclusion.

5 years the 360 sold 44.6 million

after 5 years the PS3 would be at 52 million

Sony's been winning this battle for awhile now, I think its time for alot of people to wake up.

Problem is that Lems think that US and the UK represent the world. They feel the PS3 can't even compete even though the rest of the world prefers it. True the 360 is doing great compared to the PS3 in the US but people these are global products not just consoles that only sell here in the USA.

who honestly thinks the almighty playstation can't compete? c'mon now.

...and who is the rest of the world? there are plenty of 360s being sold all throughout europe.

well if the ps3 does pass up the 360 and have more units sold.... wouldnt it be funny if the games still sold better on the 360?

most 2006-2008 ps3's were sold for blu-ray only. FACT

KBFloYd

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

weren't lems claming japan was too small a market and downplaying it. all of a sudden now its the reason why ps3 is winning?

OhSnapitz

japan sales have never not counted, wtf are u talking about?

lems are the ones who try to limit sales by region. not cows or sheep. hypocrisy in this matter is not evenly spread, sorry.

[QUOTE="todd2r"]

you people do realize that this is 2010 right? its been 5 years since the 360 was released. and the ps3 is Finally catching up! its taken the ps3 4 years to catch up. by the time it does, this gen will be over. are you really gonna celebrate when that happens?

The_saint1976

I love your spin, I can spin too.

You people do realize that this is 2010 right? It's taken MS 5 years to sell this many 360's, while it only took Sony 4 years to sell this many PS3's.

MS 44.6 divided by 5 = 8.92 million per year

Sony 41.6 divided by 4 = 10.4 million per year

So with that said, If PS3 released at the same time 360 did, we can come to this conclusion.

5 years the 360 sold 44.6 million

after 5 years the PS3 would be at 52 million

Sony's been winning this battle for awhile now, I think its time for alot of people to wake up.

looking at those numbers compared to the psx and ps2 makes me really laugh out loud. the wii and the 360 truly ate up a ****load of of their marketshare. it's nice to see a close race this time around.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Phaze-Two"] [QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

weren't lems claming japan was too small a market and downplaying it. all of a sudden now its the reason why ps3 is winning?

Phaze-Two

japan sales have never not counted, wtf are u talking about?

lems are the ones who try to limit sales by region. not cows or sheep. hypocrisy in this matter is not evenly spread, sorry.

Looks like the 360 Slim isn't doing impressive numbers in Europe. If Kinect fails then PS3 could be ahead of 360 by June or July IMO.

Never would have thought id see the day where people would be happy about being in third place. I guess almost is good enough.bigboss5ak

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] I do believe it was the cows who were downplaying the Japanese market when the wii was beating (by a large amount) in the early going. Now all of a sudden it's being counted in sales.. Hypocrisy is spread evenly my friend. MFDOOM1983

japan sales have never not counted, wtf are u talking about?

lems are the ones who try to limit sales by region. not cows or sheep. hypocrisy in this matter is not evenly spread, sorry.

never not counted, bud.

Never would have thought id see the day where people would be happy about being in third place. I guess almost is good enough.bigboss5ak

The most surprising thing is PS3 > Wii by almost double. Those are some

The most surprising thing is PS3 > Wii by almost double. Those are some

Floppy_Jim

Ha, I love Kevin Butler

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

weren't lems claming japan was too small a market and downplaying it. all of a sudden now its the reason why ps3 is winning?

OhSnapitz

I love how people always take out the hypocrisy card every time Sony does good.

Damage control is strong in this thread.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]

The most surprising thing is PS3 > Wii by almost double. Those are some

Chutebox

Ha, I love Kevin Butler

Half serious, since I much prefer Shuhei Yoshida to Kaz Hirai.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

weren't lems claming japan was too small a market and downplaying it. all of a sudden now its the reason why ps3 is winning?

tonitorsi

I love how people always take out the hypocrisy card every time Sony does good.

Damage control is strong in this thread.

Who's damage controlling? I merely supported one poster in his argument. I don't have stock in M$ or Sony, I applaud both companies for their successes.

[QUOTE="The_saint1976"]

[QUOTE="todd2r"]

you people do realize that this is 2010 right? its been 5 years since the 360 was released. and the ps3 is Finally catching up! its taken the ps3 4 years to catch up. by the time it does, this gen will be over. are you really gonna celebrate when that happens?

lazerface216

I love your spin, I can spin too.

You people do realize that this is 2010 right? It's taken MS 5 years to sell this many 360's, while it only took Sony 4 years to sell this many PS3's.

MS 44.6 divided by 5 = 8.92 million per year

Sony 41.6 divided by 4 = 10.4 million per year

So with that said, If PS3 released at the same time 360 did, we can come to this conclusion.

5 years the 360 sold 44.6 million

after 5 years the PS3 would be at 52 million

Sony's been winning this battle for awhile now, I think its time for alot of people to wake up.

looking at those numbers compared to the psx and ps2 makes me really laugh out loud. the wii and the 360 truly ate up a ****load of of their marketshare. it's nice to see a close race this time around.

I do like the close competition too, but each manufacturer didn't enter the new generation with the same market share they accrued in the generation before. The PS3 wasn't and isn't the PS2, it started from 0. Different machine, support, price, and marketing. Not to mention competition!

Though, the PS brand is really a factor. Now, Microsoft made smart moves (along with some of Sony's missteps) to ensure that the successor of the PS2 didn't repeat it's success.

The first one is a graphics of hardware sales in EU,as you can see pretty much the only time the xbox 360 went ahead of the PS3 in EU was when the slim hit,you can see the spike there,then go's under the PS3 again for several weeks until the Halo Reach spike,then go's down again and the PS3 keep going up,now this is for EU not just UK.

The rest tell and interesting story when you look at them,those are charts of the best game for the year.

First is Germany,then France,then Spain and lastly UK,one thing you will notice here is that there is basically no 360 games on the top 20 sold game for the whole year,in either Germany or Spain,only in france there is 1 360 game that made it and is Read Dead Redemption,not even Halo Reach make it,but when you look at UK the xbox 360 has 9 games on the top 20 charts but unlike the xbox 360 which has pretty much nothing on the other 3 countrys,sony has 5 games on the top 20.

So sony is not doing as bad in UK as MS is doing in the rest of EU,also before any one spin these numbers they come from Nintendo.

By the way sony posted a $852 million profits.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/29/sony-posts-852m-profit-ps3-pc-sales-up/

... but the slim, and north america, and the uk sales being up 1000%...i_am_interested

shooters that arent generic:

1. ?

2. ?

3. ?

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]... but the slim, and north america, and the uk sales being up 1000%...II_Seraphim_II

shooters that arent generic:

1. ?

2. ?

3. ?

May I ask you, what does that have to do with sales?

I know! Shooters generally sell well! COD, Halo, Gears, etc. :P

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="The_saint1976"]

I love your spin, I can spin too.

You people do realize that this is 2010 right? It's taken MS 5 years to sell this many 360's, while it only took Sony 4 years to sell this many PS3's.

MS 44.6 divided by 5 = 8.92 million per year

Sony 41.6 divided by 4 = 10.4 million per year

So with that said, If PS3 released at the same time 360 did, we can come to this conclusion.

5 years the 360 sold 44.6 million

after 5 years the PS3 would be at 52 million

Sony's been winning this battle for awhile now, I think its time for alot of people to wake up.

Episode_Eve

looking at those numbers compared to the psx and ps2 makes me really laugh out loud. the wii and the 360 truly ate up a ****load of of their marketshare. it's nice to see a close race this time around.

I do like the close competition too, but each manufacturer didn't enter the new generation with the same market share they accrued in the generation before. The PS3 wasn't and isn't the PS2, it started from 0. Different machine, support, price, and marketing. Not to mention competition!

Though, the PS brand is really a factor. Now, Microsoft made smart moves (along with some of Sony's missteps) to ensure that the successor of the PS2 didn't repeat it's success.

i agree wholeheartedly. in all honesty i'm very glad to see the ps3 finally picking up and seeing all the consoles having success this gen. competition is never a bad thing.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="The_saint1976"]

I love your spin, I can spin too.

You people do realize that this is 2010 right? It's taken MS 5 years to sell this many 360's, while it only took Sony 4 years to sell this many PS3's.

MS 44.6 divided by 5 = 8.92 million per year

Sony 41.6 divided by 4 = 10.4 million per year

So with that said, If PS3 released at the same time 360 did, we can come to this conclusion.

5 years the 360 sold 44.6 million

after 5 years the PS3 would be at 52 million

Sony's been winning this battle for awhile now, I think its time for alot of people to wake up.

Episode_Eve

looking at those numbers compared to the psx and ps2 makes me really laugh out loud. the wii and the 360 truly ate up a ****load of of their marketshare. it's nice to see a close race this time around.

I do like the close competition too, but each manufacturer didn't enter the new generation with the same market share they accrued in the generation before. The PS3 wasn't and isn't the PS2, it started from 0. Different machine, support, price, and marketing. Not to mention competition!

Though, the PS brand is really a factor. Now, Microsoft made smart moves (along with some of Sony's missteps) to ensure that the successor of the PS2 didn't repeat it's success.

I think is a combination of both Nintendo and MS that ensured the PS3 didn't followthe gigantic sucess of PS2. PS2 had a large casual audience and core audience. It was the definite console to own. Cheap to develop games for, and very easy make big money from.

Basically the 145 million userbase the PS2 produced split evenly across PS3, 360 & Wii.

But in the end, the PlayStation brand benefited from that &became a very strong and recognised brand, PS3 wouldn't have made it this far, if it wasnt for its strong loyal brand support.

The first one is a graphics of hardware sales in EU,as you can see pretty much the only time the xbox 360 went ahead of the PS3 in EU was when the slim hit,you can see the spike there,then go's under the PS3 again for several weeks until the Halo Reach spike,then go's down again and the PS3 keep going up,now this is for EU not just UK.Samvigote

I do like the close competition too, but each manufacturer didn't enter the new generation with the same market share they accrued in the generation before. The PS3 wasn't and isn't the PS2, it started from 0. Different machine, support, price, and marketing. Not to mention competition!

Though, the PS brand is really a factor. Now, Microsoft made smart moves (along with some of Sony's missteps) to ensure that the successor of the PS2 didn't repeat it's success.

Episode_Eve

Is not MS who made a smart move is sony who make a really dumb one,thinking people would actually pay $600 dollars for a PS3,on the PS2 life by its 4th birthday it was like $149 or less compare that to the PS3 $300.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]

I do like the close competition too, but each manufacturer didn't enter the new generation with the same market share they accrued in the generation before. The PS3 wasn't and isn't the PS2, it started from 0. Different machine, support, price, and marketing. Not to mention competition!

Though, the PS brand is really a factor. Now, Microsoft made smart moves (along with some of Sony's missteps) to ensure that the successor of the PS2 didn't repeat it's success.

Samvigote

Is not MS who made a smart move is sony who make a really dumb one,thinking people would actually pay $600 dollars for a PS3,on the PS2 life by its 4th birthday it was like $149 or less compare that to the PS3 $300.

You don't think launching before the competition was a smart move? It really gave MS an advantage concerning support, notoriety, and no current gen competition. Not to mention the price advantage. But I agree with what you said :). And hey, I bought a $600 PS3! :x They got me :P.

So there's no possibility of them being bias.. :|

OhSnapitz

In favor of the PS3 i don't think so..:D

So there's no possibility of them being bias.. :|OhSnapitz

So there's no possibility of them being bias.. :|

OhSnapitz

what do you mean biased? you mean they have different interests and wants? sure. that goes without saying...

you sound like you are DCing there, champ.

You don't think launching before the competition was a smart move? It really gave MS an advantage concerning support, notoriety, and no current gen competition. Not to mention the price advantage. But I agree with what you said :). And hey, I bought a $600 PS3! :x They got me :P.

Episode_Eve

No Sega also launched first,the same happen here,the only difference is that papers got cross,and instead of the xbox 360 been over pass by the strong PS brand,they got run over by Nintendo and the wii,see launching first sure it help them sold some more units but in the end they are far away from Nintendo,which is the actual market leader,if the PS3 would have come out with DVD and at $300 it would have run over the 360 was well,but sony say $600 and well you know the rest of the story.:D

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

So there's no possibility of them being bias.. :|

Phaze-Two

what do you mean biased? you mean they have different interests and wants? sure. that goes without saying...

you sound like you are DCing there, champ.

[QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

So there's no possibility of them being bias.. :|

OhSnapitz

what do you mean biased? you mean they have different interests and wants? sure. that goes without saying...

you sound like you are DCing there, champ.

[QUOTE="todd2r"]

you people do realize that this is 2010 right? its been 5 years since the 360 was released. and the ps3 is Finally catching up! its taken the ps3 4 years to catch up. by the time it does, this gen will be over. are you really gonna celebrate when that happens?

shinrabanshou

For the majority of the generation thus far the PS3 has been comparatively very expensive. It still retails at an average selling price of around $50+ more than the 360.

So closing a lead by nearly 6 million units over less than 4 calendar years is a pretty good performance.

The Wii is of course the success story of the generation though.

These results aren't likely to change anything from a platform development choice standpoint for publishers anyway at least for the PS360, the market on each HD console is just too big to ignore for third party publishers. They're just interesting from an analytical standpoint.

In the back of our minds, it's easy to think the PS1 reached 100 million in unit sales back when the N64 was on the market. But it didn't. It took the system 9 years and 6 months to ship 100 million units. In August 1998, after 4 years on the market, PS1 hardware sales stood only at 40 million units [link].

Where will the PS3 be in 5 years? Where will the Wii be? I'm sure we'll all (probably... nah) have moved on from System Wars by then, yet I have a hunch the PS3 will definitely still be on the market somewhere. Perhaps the other two consoles will too; certainly Microsoft has said they're in it for 10 years.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="Phaze-Two"]

what do you mean biased? you mean they have different interests and wants? sure. that goes without saying...

you sound like you are DCing there, champ.

FIipMode

[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Sounds like you're grasping friend.. OhSnapitz

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

lol the ps2 is the best selling console in america ever. what were you saying again?

...and you got a link to prove that the ps3 is selling better in europe?

lazerface216

all i'm saying is that the japanese' close mindedness and hatred towards any video games that aren't japanese made is really helping the ps3 stay in this race, which is true...

The difference in Japanese monthly sales between the HD consoles roughly offsets the difference in monthly sales between the two in NA. Which means the gap narrowing demonstrates a preference towards the PS3 in EU and other territories. You could just as easily surmise that NA's enthusiasm for the 360 is the only thing keeping them in the race.

But you don't have to analyze the numbers that hard. Just take the lifetime sales numbers and let it be. The 360 is still ahead, and the PS3 continues to outsell it quarter by quarter. Who cares where the sales for either side come from? Tokyo, London, New York, Buenos Aires, Berlin, Abu Dhabi, Sydney... the companies don't care. A sale is a sale.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] Sounds like you're grasping friend.. OhSnapitz

yeah the old "buh, i was just asking an innocent question" thing.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"]

[QUOTE="FIipMode"] Talk about Pot and Kettle.Phaze-Two

yeah the old "buh, i was just asking an innocent question" thing.

whatever you say.. :roll:

All this notwithstanding, that doesn't mean people can't simply be buying the PS3 over the 360 because it's the better value proposition. Unless you're a SHMUP fan or an Idolmaster fan, the PS3 is where the Japanese-centric games are being made. And it has a BluRay player.

shinrabanshou

Precisely this. Japanese gamers have very different interest in games than gamers in other parts of the world. Japanese developers cater to those tastes on the Nintendo and Sony consoles far more than on the 360. Why buy a console that doesn't have the games you want to play?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

All this notwithstanding, that doesn't mean people can't simply be buying the PS3 over the 360 because it's the better value proposition. Unless you're a SHMUP fan or an Idolmaster fan, the PS3 is where the Japanese-centric games are being made. And it has a BluRay player.

santoron

Precisely this. Japanese gamers have very different interest in games than gamers in other parts of the world. Japanese developers cater to those tastes on the Nintendo and Sony consoles far more than on the 360. Why buy a console that doesn't have the games you want to play?

so is it that they are BIASED against non-japan centric games?

see i formed that into a question to make it look like I'm fair, but still, I'm butthurt so I used the word biased to express my anger.

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

All this notwithstanding, that doesn't mean people can't simply be buying the PS3 over the 360 because it's the better value proposition. Unless you're a SHMUP fan or an Idolmaster fan, the PS3 is where the Japanese-centric games are being made. And it has a BluRay player.

Phaze-Two

Precisely this. Japanese gamers have very different interest in games than gamers in other parts of the world. Japanese developers cater to those tastes on the Nintendo and Sony consoles far more than on the 360. Why buy a console that doesn't have the games you want to play?

so is it that they are BIASED against non-japan centric games?

see i formed that into a question to make it look like I'm fair, but still, I'm butthurt so I used the word biased to express my anger.

What's with gap between the operating incomes of MS as compared to Sony and Nintendo? That's crazy.

well if the ps3 does pass up the 360 and have more units sold.... wouldnt it be funny if the games still sold better on the 360?

most 2006-2008 ps3's were sold for blu-ray only. FACT

KBFloYd

PS3 sold more games than the 360 did last year. By a healthy margin. With a significantly smaller install base.

Your FACT fails.

What's with gap between the operating incomes of MS as compared to Sony and Nintendo? That's crazy.

Pug-Nasty

But converted to $US, Nintendo posted a net income of $288 million, note this isn't operating income. Nintendo already accounted for foreign exchange losses in their first quarter results.

Sony's operating income was $85.7 million for their division that houses PS3, included in this is the negative impact of the strong yen - a 23.4 billion yen negative impact to be precise.

Results for all three platform holders for the third calendar quarter (July 1st - Sept 30th) 2010.

MICROSOFT FY11 Q1

Link

• Operating income for the Entertainment and Devices Division was $382 million.
• 2.8 million XBOX 360s sold; LTD of 44.6 million units.
• Software attach ratio 8.9 (NPD).

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NINTENDO FY10 Q2

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• Net income for the company was ¥23.2 billion.
• 1.93 million Wiis sold; LTD of 75.9 million units.
• 37.04 million in software; LTD of 610.04 million units.
• 3.54 million DSs sold; LTD of 135.58 million units.
• 32.41 million in DS software; LTD of 773.34 million units.

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SONY FY10 Q2

Link and link.

• Operating income for the Networked Products and Services Division was ¥6.9 billion.
• 3.5 million PS3s sold; LTD of 41.6 million units.
• 35.3 million in software; LTD of 350.6 million units.
• 1.5 million PSPs sold; 11 million in software.
• 1.5 million PS2s sold; 5.6 million in software.

shinrabanshou

The sales race is A LOT closer between the PS3 and 360 than many posters on SW would have everyone believe for months (Exactly 3 million apart)...yelling things out like "the slim effect", and using NPD sales as worldwide sales have allowed misinformation to guide posters for months here at SW.

This is certainly an eye opener.

The race is A LOT closer between the PS3 and 360 than many posters on SW would have everyone believe...yelling things out like "the slim effect", and using NPD sales as worldwise sales have allowed misinformation to guide posters for months.

This is certainly an eye opener.

SolidTy

For a few weeks, maybe. But the next time someone leaks out NPD data, SW will do the same thing all over again, except they'll call it "the Kinect effect" this time. And anyone reminding them of this data will be a delusional fanboy...

The sales race is A LOT closer between the PS3 and 360 than many posters on SW would have everyone believe for months (Exactly 3 million apart)...yelling things out like "the slim effect", and using NPD sales as worldwide sales have allowed misinformation to guide posters for months here at SW.

This is certainly an eye opener.

SolidTy

So I imagine it will continue onwards.

It's a shame we only get monthly (if lucky now) and weekly numbers from the US and Japan respectively, while they are two very large markets, there's a huge chunk of the market from Europe, the Middle East, Africa and other parts of Asia, not to mention online retailers, that simply aren't being tracked and published freely.

It gives a very skewed picture.