MS rushed into this gen. Lemmings pay for it.

A supposed inside source to MS tells all about the RRoD.

Click HERE to read the article.

Basically, its what I've been telling you lemmings all along. MS rushed the 360 to beat out Sony. But they did it at a cost. A cost that 360 owners eat everytime their console has to go back home and get fixed. Worst of all, there may be a time soon where you'll have to wait even longer due to supply running out of good hardware.

Nope, there's no miracle chip. I've been saying this all along as well. It will take quite a bit of time before ANY new 360 hardware has been tested enough to know just how much has been fixed. So don't go all hoping that you can just send a faulty unit in and get some new fandangled piece that will make it run forever, its not happening. Not anytime soon.

And the larger point, and the real scare, here is that MS will do this again. Wii is already spanking all on sales. And PS3 is gaining the momentum to overtake the 360 in sales and quality titles over the next two years. Leaving MS left without much to brag about. So, they launch early again. Once again trying to build the hype, get people in, and hope its enough to do something.

Do you want to keep paying for these mistakes? Do you want to keep throwing down hundreds of dollars every 5 years for a rushed piece of junk?

I enjoy my 360. That's all that matters .

I'm paying for it with HOURS and HOURS of great gameplay! Oh noes!

I've been annoyed by the RROD as much as anyone, but I doubt Microsoft will do this again. They HATE having to pay for all of these console repairs and shipping, they HATE the three year warranty. As much as I hate the RROD and will wait before buying the next Xbox, I think Microsoft will make the launch much smoother next time, allowing them time to design it better and test it more. I'm sure they would rather get things right at the beginning instead of having to do it later at a high price and the risk of upsetting their fanbase again.-Xeno-

You're playing PS on Master System ? Check out my avatar, hehe

I don't blame them for trying to get a head start after the PS2's success, but oh well, probably a lesson for them.

Sony said next gen they're going to try and get PS4 out before MS's console, it'll be funny if they get a RRoD type problem. :lol:

I've been annoyed by the RROD as much as anyone, but I doubt Microsoft will do this again. They HATE having to pay for all of these console repairs and shipping, they HATE the three year warranty. As much as I hate the RROD and will wait before buying the next Xbox, I think Microsoft will make the launch much smoother next time, allowing them time to design it better and test it more. I'm sure they would rather get things right at the beginning instead of having to do it later at a high price and the risk of upsetting their fanbase again.-Xeno-

So, with the Xbox support going null early last gen, MS had some real, solid time to dev the 360. Now, the 360 is not going to go away early. Ms has to devote time to the 360 AND the next-gen system. How do they make such vast imporvements with less "solid" time dev'ing it?

Either they slow support for the 360 to concentrate on the new console (which we've seen some proof of a few weeks back with the announcement of a game being taken back from 360 to be held for next gen) or they concentrate on both and run the risk of having problems repeated.

And consider this. Xbox, cut short due to hardware issues (no not reliability, just a poor agreement). 360, failing on reliability. Possiblity that it may lose some support for the next gen. See a pattern? See how prepared MS is?

I'm paying for it with HOURS and HOURS of great gameplay! Oh noes!

BambooBanger

Right, and the billions set aside to pay for all of the repairs just came out of Gates' pocket, right?

Don't be so naive. If some schmuck goes into a clothing store and steals a bunch of clothes, the store takes a loss. Where do you think that loss gets paid for? Out of employee pockets? Maybe. Out of customer pockets? yes.

Don't get it twisted and think its anything else. You are paying for it.

Not to mention lemmings paid for Xbox by having the rug pulled from under them. Many, many gamers are paying this gen by dealing with the hardware issues. A dead 360 is a dead 360. And if MS starts pulling support from 360 to work on trhe next0gen, you pay for that too.

And don't act like owners of other console aren't playing games. i play at least four different PS3 games a month, more if you count PSN titles.

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

I'm paying for it with HOURS and HOURS of great gameplay! Oh noes!

The_Crucible

Right, and the billions set aside to pay for all of the repairs just came out of Gates' pocket, right?

Don't be so naive. If some schmuck goes into a clothing store and steals a bunch of clothes, the store takes a loss. Where do you think that loss gets paid for? Out of employee pockets? Maybe. Out of customer pockets? yes.

Don't get it twisted and think its anything else. You are paying for it.

Not to mention lemmings paid for Xbox by having the rug pulled from under them. Many, many gamers are paying this gen by dealing with the hardware issues. A dead 360 is a dead 360. And if MS starts pulling support from 360 to work on trhe next0gen, you pay for that too.

And don't act like owners of other console aren't playing games. i play at least four different PS3 games a month, more if you count PSN titles.

I've never had RRoD and I own almost 30 360 games.... your ranting doesn't apply to me.

Pretty much all I see is Microsoft with a solid foundation and highest attach rate in this generation of consoles.

No platform is without problems, and anyone who has been watching console evolution knows that. It took Sony 3 generations to build a solid platform with both the PlayStation and PS2 having terrible quality issues. And even though Sony had to be sued by consumers over the high rate of PS2 failure people kept buying PlayStation. If you go browse the PlayStation boards over at Sony's site you'll see rising reports of Blu-ray drive issues. If you go browse the Wii boards over at Nintendo you'll see increasing reports of Wii failures. It happens.

When it comes right down to it people are not deterred by hardware problems. We've seen that for three generations now. As consoles become more complex there are more potential points of failure. To address this manufacturers have increased warranties because they know that there is potential for problems. Microsoft has the best service package going with their 3 year RROD warranty and the ability to buy a service contract to cover future problems.

I've never had RRoD and I own almost 30 360 games.... your ranting doesn't apply to me.

BambooBanger

And how much does you situation apply to others? Not very. Are you denying the amount of 360's with issues? I wouldn't think so.

And no matter if you've had the RRoD or not, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT. You shop with MS, you pay for it. Again, billions in losses don't come out of Gates' pocket.

Pretty much all I see is Microsoft with a solid foundation and highest attach rate in this generation of consoles.

No platform is without problems, and anyone who has been watching console evolution knows that. It took Sony 3 generations to build a solid platform with both the PlayStation and PS2 having terrible quality issues. And even though Sony had to be sued by consumers over the high rate of PS2 failure people kept buying PlayStation. If you go browse the PlayStation boards over at Sony's site you'll see rising reports of Blu-ray drive issues. If you go browse the Wii boards over at Nintendo you'll see increasing reports of Wii failures. It happens.

When it comes right down to it people are not deterred by hardware problems. We've seen that for three generations now. As consoles become more complex there are more potential points of failure. To address this manufacturers have increased warranties because they know that there is potential for problems. Microsoft has the best service package going with their 3 year RROD warranty and the ability to buy a service contract to cover future problems.

bdhoff

I love how you are trying to equate MS' hardware issue with Sony's. Funny stuff.

PS1: some small issues, nothing even near the degree of issues on 360 OR PS2.

PS2: Lost of issues, most were minor. If you had a read issue, you bouyght a $4 lens cleaner. No need to wait weeks for a new system. Still was a wide-spread issue, no doubt.

Xbox: MS jumped ship. Could you say it wasn't their fault? Sure. But they made the deal. And Xbox owners paid for it.

Xbox 360: RRod.

Hmmm, see that? MS hasn't made it through a single generation without cutting owners short. And this one is shaping up to be the same. Jump ship, run to the next one. Gotta beat Sony, gotta beat Sony.

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

I've never had RRoD and I own almost 30 360 games.... your ranting doesn't apply to me.

The_Crucible

And how much does you situation apply to others? Not very. Are you denying the amount of 360's with issues? I wouldn't think so.

And no matter if you've had the RRoD or not, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT. You shop with MS, you pay for it. Again, billions in losses don't come out of Gates' pocket.

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

I've never had RRoD and I own almost 30 360 games.... your ranting doesn't apply to me.

The_Crucible

And how much does you situation apply to others? Not very. Are you denying the amount of 360's with issues? I wouldn't think so.

And no matter if you've had the RRoD or not, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT. You shop with MS, you pay for it. Again, billions in losses don't come out of Gates' pocket.

God, you'd think you were standing on Hyde Park Corner handing out Manifesto's, the way you're carrying on :roll:

I don't understand how I'm paying "FOR IT" when i'm paying the exact prices I was before MS announced the 3 year warranty, and not only that, 360 games are cheaper than PS3 games where I live.

With your logic I could turn around and rant on about you paying higher prices for Cell R&D :roll:

So does competition bring out the best in companies?

No, it just lead to rushed products. Good job MS, keep up your fantastic quality of consoles.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

I've never had RRoD and I own almost 30 360 games.... your ranting doesn't apply to me.

bdhoff

And how much does you situation apply to others? Not very. Are you denying the amount of 360's with issues? I wouldn't think so.

And no matter if you've had the RRoD or not, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT. You shop with MS, you pay for it. Again, billions in losses don't come out of Gates' pocket.

Another lemming who believes losses just disappear. Yes, they can hide in last fiscal year. Its still there, homes.

A supposed inside source to MS tells all about the RRoD.

Click HERE to read the article.

Basically, its what I've been telling you lemmings all along. MS rushed the 360 to beat out Sony. But they did it at a cost. A cost that 360 owners eat everytime their console has to go back home and get fixed. Worst of all, there may be a time soon where you'll have to wait even longer due to supply running out of good hardware.

Nope, there's no miracle chip. I've been saying this all along as well. It will take quite a bit of time before ANY new 360 hardware has been tested enough to know just how much has been fixed. So don't go all hoping that you can just send a faulty unit in and get some new fandangled piece that will make it run forever, its not happening. Not anytime soon.

And the larger point, and the real scare, here is that MS will do this again. Wii is already spanking all on sales. And PS3 is gaining the momentum to overtake the 360 in sales and quality titles over the next two years. Leaving MS left without much to brag about. So, they launch early again. Once again trying to build the hype, get people in, and hope its enough to do something.

Do you want to keep paying for these mistakes? Do you want to keep throwing down hundreds of dollars every 5 years for a rushed piece of junk?

The_Crucible

Does the 360 have a failure rate that is unacceptable? Absolutely. My launch console failed last August, and it didn't cost me a cent to have fixed, but it was still annoying to wait for a few weeks. Is my PS3 much more reliable than my 360? Absolutely, altough it's turned on once every few weeks to watch a Blu Ray movie. It's a shame that MS released such an unreliable product, because XBL and the quality of games is great.

So does competition bring out the best in companies?

No, it just lead to rushed products. Good job MS, keep up your fantastic quality of consoles.

PelekotansDream

Bu, but, but there's Bioshock and Mass Effect........

[QUOTE="BambooBanger"]

I've never had RRoD and I own almost 30 360 games.... your ranting doesn't apply to me.

The_Crucible

And how much does you situation apply to others? Not very. Are you denying the amount of 360's with issues? I wouldn't think so.

And no matter if you've had the RRoD or not, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT. You shop with MS, you pay for it. Again, billions in losses don't come out of Gates' pocket.

Well he is saying your ranting does not apply to him, nothing about denying it happen. Also it is not that big of a deal, I had mine die, last month, and got a new one fast.

Also there is afew ways companies can take loses, they could pass it on to the consumers, like you are saying or they could just take the hit, now this may not work for little companies. But MS could, look at the X-box they taken billions of loses on that. But with the 360 they are showning some profit off of it, so they will not abandon it.

EDIT:

Another lemming who believes losses just disappear. Yes, they can hide in last fiscal year. Its still there, homes.The_Crucible

Well losses will disappear if they are paid off, MS is a big company with deep pockets. Losses will not dissappear if the company has to loan money out to pay for the loses, which would go under debt. They are not hiding anything form the last fiscal year because they paid off all the loses.

I love how you are trying to equate MS' hardware issue with Sony's. Funny stuff.

PS1: some small issues, nothing even near the degree of issues on 360 OR PS2.

PS2: Lost of issues, most were minor. If you had a read issue, you bouyght a $4 lens cleaner. No need to wait weeks for a new system. Still was a wide-spread issue, no doubt.

Xbox: MS jumped ship. Could you say it wasn't their fault? Sure. But they made the deal. And Xbox owners paid for it.

Xbox 360: RRod.

Hmmm, see that? MS hasn't made it through a single generation without cutting owners short. And this one is shaping up to be the same. Jump ship, run to the next one. Gotta beat Sony, gotta beat Sony.

The_Crucible

The PS1 had more than small issues. Having to place the console on its side or upside down just to get it to read discs is not a minor problem. The PS2's DRE problems were not solved by a lens cleaner. And since the PS2 only had a 90 day warranty when the problems began there were a lot of people who were just left out in the cold when Sony denied problems. Heck, I'll even throw in the cheap disc cover mechanisms on the early PSP's that would pop open for no reason.

You really should take your blinders off and look at the whole picture. Your anti-MS rant is thoroughly amusing.

Another lemming who believes losses just disappear. Yes, they can hide in last fiscal year. Its still there, homes.

The_Crucible

I think that people here always forget one important thing when discussing these companies.

Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, Apple, Dell, ....... etc. They are there for one reason, and one reason alone. They are there to make money. They are not in business to make friends. That is why problems are minimized or denied at first, until the issue cannot be ignored.

MS admitted the issue. They took a huge hit in fixing it, but they are working on it. I commend them for that step, just like I commend Sony for fixing some of the issues that they had (laptop batteries, the Fifth Element Blu-Ray disc issue, etc).

These companies are not "evil". They are out there to make money, and of course, some people are going to have sub-par experiences with them. But when you start believing that the companies are evil, or malicious, you are going a bit too far. Sometimes it helps to remember that as a company, they cannot please everyone all the time, but they do try to provide products and services to customers who want them.

Sometimes a bit more understanding is more helpful to everyone than an immediate crucifixion of the company that slighted you.

Now that I have been through two 360's, a premium and an elite (that died 3 days ago) I am starting to wonder how much MS cost them self with such shoddy hardware....its too bad because the games and live are great but the hardware sucks bad. My ps3 has yet to give me a single problem but as it was said above, its turned on a few times a week to watch a movie since it has very few games....yet...but I do love unreal 3 and uncharted!

I wonder what the 360 could have done if it was built as well as the ps3

Well rushing the console worked, didnt it?

20 million people have bought the Xbox 360 console, PS3 has yet to even hit the 10 million mark yet. Thing is, Microsoft is so rich repairing the broken 360's mean nothing to them.

Well, looks like rushing the console worked for Microsoft because it is killing the PS3 in sales each and every day :lol:

I've had a few RRoDs. I also own a PS3 and a Wii, and hardware faults aside, the 360 is still the system that I play the most.SpruceCaboose

Same here (although I don't own a Wii)

The 360 itself has already been fixed as far as the RROD goes. The newer 360s have the extra heatsync for the GPU and the CPU is now on its 2nd generation chip which is the 65nm, same chip the newer PS3s are on. The only mistake MS really made when it came to the hardware was thinking one heatsync was enough. It obviously wasn't. If they would have included 2 from the get go, they wouldn't have had the RROD problems period. Soon the GPU will be replaced with the new 65nm chip as well so the hardware is only getting better and production costs are going down, hence MS is now making money back for the EDD and have been since the new fiscal year.

The warranty has been paid for. It was on the last fiscal year report. It won't show up again ever. The new hardware was already in the plans so that isn't costing anything extra either. MS is going to come out of this gen probably in the green which is a huge step forward. Plus they will have a big XBL user base to start next generation so that will be 20 to 30 million users right there willing to purchase a new XBOX in 2010 or 2011 right out the gates.

Also when it comes to profits, MS as whole makes more in a quarter than Nintendo and Sony make combined for the entire year.

I think that people here always forget one important thing when discussing these companies.

Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony, Apple, Dell, ....... etc. They are there for one reason, and one reason alone. They are there to make money. They are not in business to make friends. That is why problems are minimized or denied at first, until the issue cannot be ignored.

MS admitted the issue. They took a huge hit in fixing it, but they are working on it. I commend them for that step, just like I commend Sony for fixing some of the issues that they had (laptop batteries, the Fifth Element Blu-Ray disc issue, etc).

These companies are not "evil". They are out there to make money, and of course, some people are going to have sub-par experiences with them. But when you start believing that the companies are evil, or malicious, you are going a bit too far. Sometimes it helps to remember that as a company, they cannot please everyone all the time, but they do try to provide products and services to customers who want them.

Sometimes a bit more understanding is more helpful to everyone than an immediate crucifixion of the company that slighted you.

SpruceCaboose

I don't think MS is "evil." I use XP, like millions of us.

My problem is that MS got into this gen early for a reason. And that was to gain as much of an advantage over the other two before they hit market. Smart? Yes. Benefitial to gaming? No.

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

Yes, MS has put out great titles. But what does that say about the 360? Nothing. It is evident that PS3 could handle any of the games you tout as "great." And I know lemmings enjoy those titles. They are great games. But again, this says nothing about MS other than they can leave a gen early and get into the next one early.

The 360 itself has already been fixed as far as the RROD goes. The newer 360s have the extra heatsync for the GPU and the CPU is now on its 2nd generation chip which is the 65nm, same chip the newer PS3s are on. The only mistake MS really made when it came to the hardware was thinking one heatsync was enough. It obviously wasn't. If they would have included 2 from the get go, they wouldn't have had the RROD problems period. Soon the GPU will be replaced with the new 65nm chip as well so the hardware is only getting better and production costs are going down, hence MS is now making money back for the EDD and have been since the new fiscal year.

The warranty has been paid for. It was on the last fiscal year report. It won't show up again ever. The new hardware was already in the plans so that isn't costing anything extra either. MS is going to come out of this gen probably in the green which is a huge step forward. Plus they will have a big XBL user base to start next generation so that will be 20 to 30 million users right there willing to purchase a new XBOX in 2010 or 2011 right out the gates.

RonnieLottinSF

Didn't read the article, did you?

I didn't pay for anything except for the console itself and of course the games. MS paid to repair my system back in Feb of 2007. I got it back in 2 weeks time and it has ran flawlessly ever since. They even threw in 2 more years of a free warranty, then added the 3 years warranty for the RROD if I ever get it again. :)RonnieLottinSF

wow lucky you, ms must love you, you're very fortunate that your console is so prone to breaking down that they gave you free extended warranty, and the fact that you seem so happy about it like its a great service just proves how good a job MS is doing and milking suckers for all they're worth. You're exactly the kind of person big companies love.

Well rushing the console worked, didnt it?

20 million people have bought the Xbox 360 console, PS3 has yet to even hit the 10 million mark yet. Thing is, Microsoft is so rich repairing the broken 360's mean nothing to them.

Well, looks like rushing the console worked for Microsoft because it is killing the PS3 in sales each and every day :lol:

Speedy454545

Right, this gen is over two years in (for MS) and one year in (Sony and Nintendo). Great point.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

The 360 itself has already been fixed as far as the RROD goes. The newer 360s have the extra heatsync for the GPU and the CPU is now on its 2nd generation chip which is the 65nm, same chip the newer PS3s are on. The only mistake MS really made when it came to the hardware was thinking one heatsync was enough. It obviously wasn't. If they would have included 2 from the get go, they wouldn't have had the RROD problems period. Soon the GPU will be replaced with the new 65nm chip as well so the hardware is only getting better and production costs are going down, hence MS is now making money back for the EDD and have been since the new fiscal year.

The warranty has been paid for. It was on the last fiscal year report. It won't show up again ever. The new hardware was already in the plans so that isn't costing anything extra either. MS is going to come out of this gen probably in the green which is a huge step forward. Plus they will have a big XBL user base to start next generation so that will be 20 to 30 million users right there willing to purchase a new XBOX in 2010 or 2011 right out the gates.

The_Crucible

Didn't read the article, did you?

Don't have to. I already know the facts on the situation. Why read something that has probably been debated a thousand times on this very forum? It is pointless and your fanboy rant is pointless as well.

The 360 will be out for a long time. I doubt you will see a new XBOX until late 2010 or 2011, while the 360 will continue to be in production because by that time it will cost a fraction of what it costs now to produce and MS will still be making major money off of it.

Also your whole thing about some game being pushed to the next XBOX is funny if anything. Halo 3 took 4 years to make. Do the math and you will see that whatever the game is could be developed for that long and be a launch title for the new XBOX in 2011.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]I didn't pay for anything except for the console itself and of course the games. MS paid to repair my system back in Feb of 2007. I got it back in 2 weeks time and it has ran flawlessly ever since. They even threw in 2 more years of a free warranty, then added the 3 years warranty for the RROD if I ever get it again. :)FreewayScruff

wow lucky you, ms must love you, you're very fortunate that your console is so prone to breaking down that they gave you free extended warranty, and the fact that you seem so happy about it like its a great service just proves how good a job MS is doing and milking suckers for all they're worth. You're exactly the kind of person big companies love.

Yeah, its like the people who bought a KIA years ago because it had a longer warranty than, lets say, Honda. "If it breaks, I have the warranty. Its its along one, so I should be safe." Yeah, ummm hmmm.

Needless to say, someone who bought the Honda, with the shorter warranty, saw their service department very rarely. But the ones who bought the KIA saw service on a regular basis.

Not a great choice.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]I didn't pay for anything except for the console itself and of course the games. MS paid to repair my system back in Feb of 2007. I got it back in 2 weeks time and it has ran flawlessly ever since. They even threw in 2 more years of a free warranty, then added the 3 years warranty for the RROD if I ever get it again. :)FreewayScruff

wow lucky you, ms must love you, you're very fortunate that your console is so prone to breaking down that they gave you free extended warranty, and the fact that you seem so happy about it like its a great service just proves how good a job MS is doing and milking suckers for all they're worth. You're exactly the kind of person big companies love.

If I would have paid for the repair out of my own pocket then you would have had a point. If I was on my 5th XBOX360 and I would have had pay for the repairs every time, you would have a point. Since I didn't and I'm still on my first 360, you don't have a point and just basically rambled like a mindless fanboy. Congrats.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

The 360 itself has already been fixed as far as the RROD goes. The newer 360s have the extra heatsync for the GPU and the CPU is now on its 2nd generation chip which is the 65nm, same chip the newer PS3s are on. The only mistake MS really made when it came to the hardware was thinking one heatsync was enough. It obviously wasn't. If they would have included 2 from the get go, they wouldn't have had the RROD problems period. Soon the GPU will be replaced with the new 65nm chip as well so the hardware is only getting better and production costs are going down, hence MS is now making money back for the EDD and have been since the new fiscal year.

The warranty has been paid for. It was on the last fiscal year report. It won't show up again ever. The new hardware was already in the plans so that isn't costing anything extra either. MS is going to come out of this gen probably in the green which is a huge step forward. Plus they will have a big XBL user base to start next generation so that will be 20 to 30 million users right there willing to purchase a new XBOX in 2010 or 2011 right out the gates.

RonnieLottinSF

Didn't read the article, did you?

Don't have to. I already know the facts on the situation. Why read something that has probably been debated a thousand times on this very forum? It is pointless and your fanboy rant is pointless as well.

The 360 will be out for a long time. I doubt you will see a new XBOX until late 2010 or 2011, while the 360 will continue to be in production because by that time it will cost a fraction of what it costs now to produce and MS will still be making major money off of it.

Also your whole thing about some game being pushed to the next XBOX is funny if anything. Halo 3 took 4 years to make. Do the math and you will see that whatever the game is could be developed for that long and be a launch title for the new XBOX in 2011.

Alright thenm. Where's your proof of the RRoD being fixed? Where are the results of field tests? And how do you get them when they don't exist?

What you call "facts" are only mere hopes and dreams of every lemming to have the RRoD issue. Nothing more.

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

The_Crucible

As a Dreamcast owner, I wanted all the success for it that it could have, yet the hype for the PS2 helped slow its sales, and ended up being one of the straws that broke the Dreamcast's back.

But that does not mean I am bitter, or that I hold a grudge against Sony. There is plenty that Sega could have done, and there was plenty that Sony could have done this generation. Its business. Get over it.

Enjoy great games, and care less about what logo is on the box you stick the games in. I think you'd have a more well-rounded gaming experience.

[QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"][QUOTE="RonnieLottinSF"]

The 360 itself has already been fixed as far as the RROD goes. The newer 360s have the extra heatsync for the GPU and the CPU is now on its 2nd generation chip which is the 65nm, same chip the newer PS3s are on. The only mistake MS really made when it came to the hardware was thinking one heatsync was enough. It obviously wasn't. If they would have included 2 from the get go, they wouldn't have had the RROD problems period. Soon the GPU will be replaced with the new 65nm chip as well so the hardware is only getting better and production costs are going down, hence MS is now making money back for the EDD and have been since the new fiscal year.

The warranty has been paid for. It was on the last fiscal year report. It won't show up again ever. The new hardware was already in the plans so that isn't costing anything extra either. MS is going to come out of this gen probably in the green which is a huge step forward. Plus they will have a big XBL user base to start next generation so that will be 20 to 30 million users right there willing to purchase a new XBOX in 2010 or 2011 right out the gates.

The_Crucible

Didn't read the article, did you?

Don't have to. I already know the facts on the situation. Why read something that has probably been debated a thousand times on this very forum? It is pointless and your fanboy rant is pointless as well.

The 360 will be out for a long time. I doubt you will see a new XBOX until late 2010 or 2011, while the 360 will continue to be in production because by that time it will cost a fraction of what it costs now to produce and MS will still be making major money off of it.

Also your whole thing about some game being pushed to the next XBOX is funny if anything. Halo 3 took 4 years to make. Do the math and you will see that whatever the game is could be developed for that long and be a launch title for the new XBOX in 2011.

Alright thenm. Where's your proof of the RRoD being fixed? Where are the results of field tests? And how do you get them when they don't exist?

What you call "facts" are only mere hopes and dreams of every lemming to have the RRoD issue. Nothing more.

Where are your field tests to say it isn't the truth? You honestly believe that improved hardware and adding an extra cooler (heatsync) will make it worse? I guess this means the PS3 is going to have higher failure rates as well considering they are upgrading to the 65nm too, not only for the CPU, but the GPU, ala MS. I guess Sony wants to make their hardware worse just like MS, LOL!!! :lol:

yeah im the fanboy "my 360 broke and i didnt play it for 2 weeks but ms gave me extended warranty for the next time i get rrod *SMILEY FACE IM SO HAPPY*"FreewayScruff

It has been a year now. Still waiting. I've had no freezing since the repair and the back of my 360 is now just luke warm, opposed to stove hot before hand. :)

Where are your field tests to say it isn't the truth? You honestly believe that improved hardware and adding an extra cooler (heatsync) will make it worse? I guess this means the PS3 is going to have higher failure rates as well considering they are upgrading to the 65nm too, not only for the CPU, but the GPU, ala MS. I guess Sony wants to make their hardware worse just like MS, LOL!!! :lol:

you really think you have the right to calling anyone else a fanboy? Keep hugging your'e 360 before sleeping every night, it doesn't cure rrod, fanboy.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

As a PS3 owner I want all the success for my PS3. I don't want that to be hindered by BS hype due to an early competitor's launch. And that's what has occurred. Throughout 2007 it was bad hype after bad hype for the PS3. Yes, a good portion due to its lack of titles through most of the muanch year. But a lot of it was just Sony-haterism. Like a Guitar hero dev talking about graphics. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

SpruceCaboose

As a Dreamcast owner, I wanted all the success for it that it could have, yet the hype for the PS2 helped slow its sales, and ended up being one of the straws that broke the Dreamcast's back.

But that does not mean I am bitter, or that I hold a grudge against Sony. There is plenty that Sega could have done, and there was plenty that Sony could have done this generation. Its business. Get over it.

Enjoy great games, and care less about what logo is on the box you stick the games in. I think you'd have a more well-rounded gaming experience.

Alright Spruce, knock it off with the whole "I'm going to use logic" crap on system wars. If you're not going to spout the usual fanboy drivel, then you need to leave. This is, after all, system wars. :)