MS says Xbox has the most hardcore players.

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Xbox might not have the biggest userbase this generation, with PlayStation 4 consoles outnumbering Xbox One units over two to one, but the customers are ‘more hardcore’ than competitors. That’s what Aaron Greenberg, Senior Director for Global Product Marketing at Xbox, said in an interview with IGN Italia at Gamescom 2018.

"I notice the same and identical thing on my friends list and the data we have available suggests exactly that. Hardcore players, those who prefer the best gaming experience, have always been on our side, from the first Xbox to Xbox 360 and now with the Xbox One X.Looking at the numbers and results of the competition, we have a smaller installed base, but the attach rate and sales data for many games are much higher on Xbox. This is due to the fact that our userbase is made up of more hardcore gamers, and we return to the previous point: it is our relationship with the community that puts us in this position."

Now MS PR is acting like a butthurt lem.

@Ant_17: His logic doesn't even make sense.

And Monster Hunter World around ~7 million compared to what.....2+ million on PC ( according to SteamSpy ) and +1.5 mil. on Xbone. Capcom announced +10 million shipped week ago.

Yeah, so hardcore on Xbone.

I'm more of a casual console player

I guess I'll stick to PS4

I would rather be called a casual than a hardcore gamer now.

Aaron is like MS version of Jim Ryan, neither should be allowed to speak in public.

Lol yeah same here!!

Notice how he skipped from the 360 to the Xbone X. Because his argument would fall apart if he acknowledged the first 4 years of this gen when PS4 was running multiplats better.

Also 90%+ of Xbox users are playing on the S or OG Bone. Loves how he sweeps them under the rug. They're not hardcore enough for the X lol.

He's probably right... you'd have more 'casuals' on PS4.

Can't say I'm not surprised at all here, all the good competition is on XBL look all the big Esport games shown on Mixer MS exclusives with YUGE communities still playing their games and big Esport presence:

• Halo 5
• Gears 4
• Forza 7
• Forza Horizon 3
• Sea Of Thieves
• State of Decay 2
• PUBG

All boast millions of players that's something the competition can't boast about and stays quiet about. Truth be told, not really more hardcore, but they attract the side of the fanbase that likes to keep it to just online competition. Nothing wrong with that but not the most hardcore players however. I'm a casual gamer, I barely play any MP games nowadays.

He’s basically admitting no one but the core Xbox fanboys is buying their consoles while everyone else is on PS4.

Not surprising to hear him say it, but it's really not quantifiable. Hardcore gamers exist on all platforms.

Dunno, that kinda sounds like you would only play on mobile lol

@davillain-: Aside from PUBG none of those games have many players left. There's a big difference in players who have logged into a game and active players.

I would take mobile and casual than hardcore and whatever this is

By his own logic, the switch has the most hardcore fan base.

Nah, the Vita and the WIIU have the most hardcore fan base.

Er, no fuckin shit.

Indeed. PUBG is the only one that has the most players playing on the console side, Halo 5 still has it's fans, so it'll survive but the rest, not so much, especially Gears 4.

So my $1500 PC with $300 HOTAS system is just casual I suppose

If Coalition is telling the truth about having the choice of making a new IP or making Gears I wonder if they would go back and choose the new IP instead. Gears is irrelevant as f*ck these days. Halo could be big again if 343 manages to make a good one. Gears is just dead. It's outdated and lame.

Greenberg is a straight up idiot, not surprised he’s saying this ?

you guys are joking right. Gears 4 has a fucking esports scene now and they pull bigger viewership numbers than Halo.

@Sam3231: Lol, nobody gives a shit about competitive gears.

Can you blame him?

Sony celebrating 500 million sales, Nintendo celebrating 700 million sales, MS...most hardcore players.

Maybe they do. *shrugs*

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/most-played/games/xbox

Gears 4 has less players than Battlefront 2 and NBA 2K17 lol.

Dude is probably one of the “hardcore” holdouts that still plays that trash competitively that Greenberg was talking about ?.

You’re right. He always says there most cringe worthy things while trying to keep up with Sony. He’s an embarrassment to MS and their gaming division.

@fedor: No I think very well people give a shit about competitive gears. They've broken 100K on a livestream quite a few times.

I mean it ain't Dota numbers, but certainly, somebody gives a shit.

@Sam323: I doubt they've done 100k in forever. The last tourny they had on twitch couldn't break 10k when I checked it out.

Hardcore and console... Not sure that's even a prize you want.

"we have a smaller installed base, but the attach rate and sales data for many games are much higher on Xbox. This is due to the fact that our userbase is made up of more hardcore gamers"

So the basis of "hardcore" is determined by attach rates of games? That's pretty scary for those who don't like playing the same online shooter over and over like me. I like playing may different varieties of games and switching out genres depending on my mood that day.

I get that it's buisness and it's cheaper to pad more content on an existing game than make new IPs, but damn man, shooters and racing games get old.

I mean this is the dude who said "You'll still see 1080p as your output"

It's true. You don't sell big without appealing to casuals. Xbox right now is like Wii U, exclusive for the hardcore fans of those systems.

You are not reading it right.

Not hardcore fans, hardcore gamers based on attach rates.

If you're sticking it out through the rough xbox one era, then you are indeed hardcore gamer. Not unlike us Wii U few who stuck by Nintendo during the tough times. Not sure what's so wrong about what he said.

Why would he say that!? It just sounds so stupid.

Surprised at the amount of people relativizing it. No matter how you approach it, he's either:

1. admitting the fanbase is just gonna lap up everything xbox related, replacing "committed [to xbox]" with "hardcore gamer"

or

2. somehow linking lower attach rates (ceding to playstation) to "hardcore gaming" being preferential on xbox

or any other combination of cringe-inducing assumptions.

I think it was just crutty fast thinking. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one.

The Xbox user base probably has a higher percentage of hardcore gamers, but I doubt it has more hardcore gamers.

Either way, I don't think attach rate is a great measurement of "hardcore gamers" considering the amount of F2P games, games given to you through Games with Gold, and Game Pass.

It's not, since the more your system sells, the more the attach rate drops.

Using his logic, Dreamcast, Vita and WIIU had the most hardcore gamers in the world.

Still applies, hardcore gamer, hardcore fan. Same thing. Maybe the attach rates are really good? Again, like Wii U. What's so hard to believe about this?

Well, when only 8 million of 80 million buy a ps4 exclusive, do you call that a hardcore gamer attach rate?

No my dude. Committed fans (I would rather use this) of a platform, are not automatically hardcore gamers. There's a non sequitur in the logic here that can't even be supported by data since it's a non-falsifiable claim.

"Everyone who 'stuck with' this platform is a hardcore gamer!" Nah playa.

No. Notice how I say "somehow linking ... attach rates," because that will not have anything to do with "hardcore gaming"

@Bread_or_Decide: By pretty much any metric MS is not the most "hardcore". Switch has a better attach rate, PS has more players and software sales, PC has esports and the strongest competive MP scene.

This statement is just a pr guy trying his best to make a failing platform sound good.

So i take it Japan and Europe have absolutely no hardcore players? Great statement.

The people that use the “attach rate” argument are either extremely bad at math or just straight dumb. The higher the consoles you sell and the more games you have on your system the lower your attach rate. The more consoles you sell the more you dillute the attachment rate of your games because no single game is gonna sell to everyone on your console especially if your console Sales are especially high like the PS4 is. It’s simple logic and math at work. You have to be extremely dumb or gullible to fall for the attach rate damage control.

? I remember that. The guy is a total moron, I honestly don’t know how he has a job at such a prominent position in MS‘ games division.

? Owned.

PlayStation is the go to place to play alone! Xbox gamers love a good single player game that also offers amazing multiplayer to play with friends, randoms, or to meet new friends, and keep coming back for more fun! That has been their bread and butter since Xbox first started.

Better controller, better connection, better console in the X. If you are a hard core console gamer why play anywhere else?

Dude sounds just like the butthurt lemmings on this forum. What the hell has happened to MS.

You make too many threads.