MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360.
MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead??
[QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. navyguy21
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead?? Exactly these studios have lots of ppls in them
[QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. navyguy21
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead?? that's purely speculation.... if they were working on something else, why didnt they show it at E3.
In case you didn't notice, MS demo'd plenty of games at their E3 Pressy that didn't use Natal
Legendaryscmt
But nothing from Rare or LionHead as true 360 games.
There are other developers out there...
I know, I know.... But in a console war where Exclusives are very crucial this gen...MS needs all the help they can get.... and instead they shift some of their best dev teams to work on a huge risk that might not pay off. Milo? Are you serious?
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead?? that's purely speculation.... if they were working on something else, why didnt they show it at E3.
Same reason that everything that everyone is working on isn't all shown at E3?
It hurts them but it could pay off big if NATAL turns out to be good. The truth is neither Lion Head nor Rare were really adding much to the 360. Rare always releases AA games that sell ok but they don't make system sellers and their last game, Banjo, had poor sales and overall poor reviews. Maybe they can take their talent and apply it to NATAL. Overall I think MS's real problem is that they depended so much on exclusive DLC, making PS2 franchises multiplat and trying to buy exclusives that they didn't think long term. Now its expensive to buy 3rd party exclusives and exclusive DLC hasn't proven itself to be much of a driver in getting more software and hardware sales. I think Nintendo and Sony have a good long term plan of expanding their 1st party studios and not relaying heavily on 3rd party exclusives.
[QUOTE="killerbeejp"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead??SUD123456
that's purely speculation.... if they were working on something else, why didnt they show it at E3.
Same reason that everything that everyone is working on isn't all shown at E3?
Talking about purely speculation...
And what's worse, it's purely negative speculation
[QUOTE="Javy03"]It hurts them but it could pay off big if NATAL turns out to be good. The truth is neither Lion Head nor Rare were really adding much to the 360. Rare always releases AA games that sell ok but they don't make system sellers and their last game, Banjo, had poor sales and overall poor reviews. Maybe they can take their talent and apply it to NATAL. Overall I think MS's real problem is that they depended so much on exclusive DLC, making PS2 franchises multiplat and trying to buy exclusives that they didn't think long term. Now its expensive to buy 3rd party exclusives and exclusive DLC hasn't proven itself to be much of a driver in getting more software and hardware sales. I think Nintendo and Sony have a good long term plan of expanding their 1st party studios and not relaying heavily on 3rd party exclusives. Sony also making alot of exclusive deals with independent developers like Eat Sleep Play, Team Bondi, United Games Front, Media Molecule......
This again? When will people understand.. the 360 has MORE exclusives than the PS3. This is getting old now. REALLY old. Just like the "just wait" comments the PS3 fanboys had to read everyday for like a year.
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead?? that's purely speculation.... if they were working on something else, why didnt they show it at E3. What do you think you are doing? You are speculating too. And they didn't show it for the same reason they didn't show the Natal projects, they aren't ready. Come on, doesn't take that much common sense.
This again? When will people understand.. the 360 has MORE exclusives than the PS3. This is getting old now. REALLY old. Just like the "just wait" comments the PS3 fanboys had to read everyday for like a year.xsubtownerx
no, i don't really think so. i just think that it will be something small then something that will be like the wii where every game has motion controls.
I like when companies take risks, that's what pushes gaming forward. I wasn't hugely impressed with NATAL, but it's good MS is trying some things. That's how progression works, you try new things and some work, some don't. But in the end I believe it's good for everyone.
IMO Natal isn't about catching Wii, the Wii is too far ahead.
Natal is about reinvigorating the Xbox 360, boosting momentum in a console that is nearly 4 years old and Microosft are looking at the successor to the Xbox 360.
What I don't understand is ever since E3 all I have seen is everyone talk about how Natal is going to be this and that anda big failure and so on and so forth. My question is why is everyone forgetting that Sony has shown a motion sensor controller as well but yet no one is saying anything about it or atleast to that of the heat that Natal is getting? With that being said TC why are you not saying the same for Sony? I mean to me you are being a hypocrite.
What I don't understand is ever since E3 all I have seen is everyone talk about how Natal is going to be this and that anda big failure and so on and so forth. My question is why is everyone forgetting that Sony has shown a motion sensor controller as well but yet no one is saying anything about it or atleast to that of the heat that Natal is getting? With that being said TC why are you not saying the same for Sony? I mean to me you are being a hypocrite.
xscrapzx
Sony isn't the one throwing the whole bank at thier motion sensor. It appears that MS is heavily investing in Natal, and I wouldn't be suprised if their next xbox is totally Natal based (like the Wii).
MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
I think you're not aware of the360's new Dev tools potentiality.
Just some hints for you guys:
- 1 GB ram to develope code - HD streaming textures - new graphic edge
I'd suggest that you don't understimate xbox 360 so much. it doesn't matter that it's 1 year older than the Ps3. it's its architecture that is somehow special, very "adaptable" and capable of big improvements. just wait and see, I already know I'll be proven right.
They have some experiance with stuff failing on them, like their system. Maybe they just pretend like Natal isnt working for a couple of months and then say they will fix the issue with a warranty...?:P
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead?? that's purely speculation.... if they were working on something else, why didnt they show it at E3. and yours isn't pure speculation? oh my kettle did you meet my friend pot.
This again? When will people understand.. the 360 has MORE exclusives than the PS3. This is getting old now. REALLY old. Just like the "just wait" comments the PS3 fanboys had to read everyday for like a year.xsubtownerx
if you can get it on pc it's not exclusive, I have a gaming pc and it sure doesnt look like a 360 to me?
MS has obviously been going the "make everything multiplatform and offer cheapest way to play those games" route, and it has been successful for them. They probably chose Rare and Lionhead because those two studios are pretty creative and probably the best suited to be working with this new technology, and neither of them has done something that has been really important in the "console wars" (that is what Microsoft cares about anyways).
MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
Yet we still have games like Halo ODST, Forza 3, SC Conviction, Mass Effect 2 and REACH coming out on the 360 without the use of Natal.
doesnt really matter.sony can put out all the exclusives they want but they still wont sell any decent numbers until the sony puts the system in peoples hands. when i see games like inFamous, LittleBigPlanet, and Killzone 2 bomb at retail(yet still highly regarded games) it saddens me.especially when nintendo puts out shovelware like WiiFit and it sells millions every month.
Theres a Freight Train coming over the next 12 months with Sonys name on it. Mark my words. They have secured all they need and a Price Drop is going to be the devastator.
[QUOTE="killerbeejp"] But nothing from Rare or LionHead as true 360 games. killerbeejp
There are other developers out there...
I know, I know.... But in a console war where Exclusives are very crucial this gen...MS needs all the help they can get.... and instead they shift some of their best dev teams to work on a huge risk that might not pay off. Milo? Are you serious?
Hate to burst your bubble but according to this Sony does...
IMO Natal isn't about catching Wii, the Wii is too far ahead.
Natal is about reinvigorating the Xbox 360, boosting momentum in a console that is nearly 4 years old and Microosft are looking at the successor to the Xbox 360.
CwlHeddwyn
Hate to burst your bubble but Natal and the PS ball on a stick thing are both desperate attempts to latch on to the Casuals that Nintendo are already occupying.
IMO Natal isn't about catching Wii, the Wii is too far ahead.
Natal is about reinvigorating the Xbox 360, boosting momentum in a console that is nearly 4 years old and Microosft are looking at the successor to the Xbox 360.
boredy-Mcbored
Hate to burst your bubble but Natal and the PS ball on a stick thing are both desperate attempts to latch on to the Casuals that Nintendo are already occupying.
And Nintendo Wii moton + shows us that Nintendo is worried about MS and Sony motion control.
Theres a Freight Train coming over the next 12 months with Sonys name on it. Mark my words. They have secured all they need and a Price Drop is going to be the devastator.djsifer01
because the 360 cannot match or beat the price drop...and first...
First cows said that price didn't matter no one cared about price when it was evident price did matter they started the call that price it self was the factor not that the user had 2 other consoles that gave just as much and BETTER then the ps3 for a cheaper price. Because either way cows can then claim but when the ps3 drops to this price point it will instantly in one week outsell the competition when in reality it will be the same nothing will change the user will see the Wii and 360 offering the same and better enterainment then the ps3 and for a cheaper price and wont care that the ps3 just dropped its price specially because the wii and 360 are in a vastly better position they can afford to price drop their systems and as soon as they get any proof the ps3 is gonna price drop both the wii and 360 can be price dropped lower and beat out the ps3.
I only own a 360 and I enjoy it very much, however I would have to agree with the TC on this. Microsoft entered the console business supposedly to garner the exact type of marketshare Nintendo has captured this gen. So in that regard this move by MS isn't very surprising. The problem I foresee is them focusing far too much effort in the hopes of stealing these new customers away from Nintendo. Because of Nintendo's genius strategy of combining their household name with a new type of input system at a cost well below the other companies products I think they have Sony and Microsoft up against the wall. MS and Sony will have to at least match Nintendo's pricing structure to have a chance. If all three companies have motion control and the same type of hardware on the market so they are all equally priced, imo Nintendo will have the upper hand because they have all ready established their brandname in conjunction with motion control.
So while Sony and Microsoft shift all of their efforts to focus on the same market Nintendo now dominates, not only could they fail miserably at attaining that new market, they could also be forsaking the market they both currently enjoy success in and end up out of the business entirely. I can easily see in the future MS going for this strategy and Sony hanging back to retain the market that both Sony and MS are competing in atm, because that's what I would do if I were Sony. MS has no choice but to go after Nintendo's market because it is why they entered the business in the first place. I'm sure MS would like to make headway into Nintendo's marketshare while at the same time maintaining their current market, but I don't really see how, because if they are priced the same and their tech/hardware is the same what incentive would anyone have to buy MS over Nintendo? In the end it seems the only hardware and market you will be able to rely on to continue advancing in technology is the PC.
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead?? that's purely speculation.... if they were working on something else, why didnt they show it at E3. Probably because they werent ready to show off what has been developed on it so far.
[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]This again? When will people understand.. the 360 has MORE exclusives than the PS3. This is getting old now. REALLY old. Just like the "just wait" comments the PS3 fanboys had to read everyday for like a year.Totalgym9000
if you can get it on pc it's not exclusive, I have a gaming pc and it sure doesnt look like a 360 to me? I'm not talking about 360/PC games. if those counted, the PS3 would be dead in the water. I'm talking about actual exclusives. Link Note: This list doesn't show all the exclusives, just the A+ ones.
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead?? that's purely speculation.... if they were working on something else, why didnt they show it at E3.Rare have been working on something else, upgrading the graphics on perfect dark XBLA
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp
lol, you make it seem like those studios have like 5 people, and can only work on one project at a time lol. Maybe MS hired more guys to do that as a PART OF Rare/Lionhead?? that's purely speculation.... if they were working on something else, why didnt they show it at E3. Um Rare announced Perfect Dark 64 for XBLA, and has 4 games in development at the moment.
Rare's talent walked out the door with the Stamper brothers. Never was the same there after losing Nintendo's protective bubble. As for Lionhead, we'll have to see how Natal and Stevie Spielblurb fix up Milo for Fable 12.5 and a new WW2 shooter! Seriously though... MS overconfident? Showing their arrorance? Surely you must be kidding, right?
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