MS: Technology in unannounced 360 exclusives will 'far surpass' anything to date

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#151 II_Seraphim_II
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Nobody is credited with the quote. Plus when has MS EVER "congratulated" the competition on the success of a game, especially with that game only being a few days old? I don't remember them congratulating MGS4 like this. I call BS.bez2083
Im with you here, im getting some BS vibes from this, but you never know :P
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#152 darthogre
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[QUOTE="darthogre"] Buy your point was they have "projects in the pipeline". That's not the same thing as "they are reviewing which game to buy off". When you say they have projects you make it seem like they are still making the games......which is technically not really possible anymore. It could be that is the best stratedgy in the long run....MS doesn't take the majority of the risk in developing the game while Sony is jsut pumping out money hand over fist making their own games. Who ends up being right, it'll be intresting.thinicer
Microsoft still assumes the risk of publishing games and heavily investing in their development and advertising costs. While not technically developing the game themselves, they are still a big player in its financing and finding top talent to help develop those games. It's a different strategy, but the risk is still very much the same.

The key difference is they can include sales goals/targets, much like the GTA4 DLC. We of course will never know what the contract looks like that they sign but I think we can all agree that MS will cover their ***, they have if anything good business sense. They wouldn't have got out of developing their own titles if it didn't benefit them.
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#153 lhughey
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You guys really need to get with the program. Games developed for the X360 have the greatest attach rate by a good margin and the console is easier to develop for. Developers would be stupid not to target games for M$. Are we thinking that developers have all of a sudden stopped developing games for it? Are the lazy devs too rich and don't want the money now? M$ is just being strategic and announcing games when it counts rather than randomly. If i were doing marketing for M$, I would have announcements ready close to the PS3 price drop. It doesn't make sense to announce bigger announcements because today is March 2.
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#154 haze_blaze
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Hmmm, smells like BS to me! If they had a track record for cutting edge exclusives then it'd be easier to buy this story... but they have not shown any signs of catching up with Sony's machine graphically... so I find this pretty hard to believe. Especially considering that they depend so heavily on 3rd party devs for their exclusives.
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#155 Riverwolf007
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What's up? Did MS send some people to Sony's academy of hype technical school?
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#156 haze_blaze
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You guys really need to get with the program. Games developed for the X360 have the greatest attach rate by a good margin and the console is easier to develop for. Developers would be stupid not to target games for M$. Are we thinking that developers have all of a sudden stopped developing games for it? Are the lazy devs too rich and don't want the money now? M$ is just being strategic and announcing games when it counts rather than randomly. If i were doing marketing for M$, I would have announcements ready close to the PS3 price drop. It doesn't make sense to announce bigger announcements because today is March 2.lhughey
You missed the news last month... Activision, the industry's largest developer, stated that the PS3 was more profitable for them. There were one or two other devs that posted similar results in the n4g article. I'm sure you can google & see for yourself... however, that's not really the point. Developers will of course continue to develop for the 360... but the OP is selling Microsoft's spin on better graphics, which is a completely different matter. It's becoming clearer and clearer that the PS3 boasts the most power of the two consoles. The 360 has been out longer and is easier to develop for... if it were possible for it to match the PS3, we should have already seen KZ2 level gfx on it by now, period.
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#157 PoppaGamer
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The problem is, Killzone 2 won't be PS3's bestest looking game at the end of 2009. So, way to set the bar high MS.
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#158 II_Seraphim_II
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What's up? Did MS send some people to Sony's academy of hype technical school?Riverwolf007
lol, best post in the thread :lol:
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#159 killab2oo5
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And people say we should have one universal console...
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#160 yoyo462001
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Hmmm, smells like BS to me! If they had a track record for cutting edge exclusives then it'd be easier to buy this story... but they have not shown any signs of catching up with Sony's machine graphically... so I find this pretty hard to believe. Especially considering that they depend so heavily on 3rd party devs for their exclusives.haze_blaze
its funny you say that because this sounds exactly like the BS Sony has been saying for years, lol looks like Ms fell into the same trap of PR nonsense, maybe its true maybe its not until a real announcement is out this is just PR rubbish.
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#161 PAL360
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What's the point of posting this? Companies say BS like this all the time. I still remember back in the day when Atari was trying to claim that the Jaguar was more powerful then the Playstation and Saturn . . . LOL, when in reality the Jaguar was considerably LESS powerful.AppleBlade

You dont need to go that far! I remember sony claiming that PS3 was a lot more powerfull than the 360. At the end they are about the same...

Anyway,lets see what they are preparing. Im a bit curious about this ;)

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#162 yoyo462001
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The problem is, Killzone 2 won't be PS3's bestest looking game at the end of 2009. So, way to set the bar high MS.PoppaGamer
oh and you say this from playing the remainder PS3 games this year, oh yh i thought so.
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#163 jimmyand360
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I was really impressed with the most recent trailer for God of War 3. Not sure if the 360 can surpass that. But I do wonder if any of these upcoming games will be shown at the GDC that is coming at the end of this month.
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#164 II_Seraphim_II
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I was really impressed with the most recent trailer for God of War 3. Not sure if the 360 can surpass that. But I do wonder if any of these upcoming games will be shown at the GDC that is coming at the end of this month.jimmyand360
I hope they will. Throw in sum Killer Instinct and some Conker and MS is all set :D
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#165 Floppy_Jim
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I wonder when these unannounced games will be shown, maybe GDC. I'm sure they will far surpass Killzone 2, just wait.
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#166 Nedemis
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from what I've been reading at Turn 10's site, Forza 3 will blow us away in the visuals department. :)...I can not wait to see just what they and the rest of the up coming 360 exclusives have in store for us.
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#167 SMR-Venom
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Why does always have to be about technology? I couldn't care less if graphics are better than KZ2, as long as the game plays well...
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from what I've been reading at Turn 10's site, Forza 3 will blow us away in the visuals department. :)...I can not wait to see just what they and the rest of the up coming 360 exclusives have in store for us.Nedemis
Forza 2 look liked garbage..:| Anyhow, since 360 has a better GPU i see it competing in graphics, but in all other areas PS3 has it beat. KZ2 has proven this, lighting, animation, textures,physics.
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#169 PoppaGamer
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[QUOTE="PoppaGamer"]The problem is, Killzone 2 won't be PS3's bestest looking game at the end of 2009. So, way to set the bar high MS.yoyo462001
oh and you say this from playing the remainder PS3 games this year, oh yh i thought so.

Yeah, usually games get worse or stay the same over the course of a gen. Huh? There are some pretty big games set for 2009 on the PS3. I don't think Killzone 2 will be so great by then. This is somthing I have said, not necessarily here, for some time. They delayed KZ2 for so long that its slightly dated now, even though it just came out. Most of the "look" of the game was set months ago. They spent the last few months doing tweaks and awaiting a later release to not have to compete during the holidays of 08.
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#170 haze_blaze
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[QUOTE="thinicer"][QUOTE="darthogre"] Buy your point was they have "projects in the pipeline". That's not the same thing as "they are reviewing which game to buy off". When you say they have projects you make it seem like they are still making the games......which is technically not really possible anymore. It could be that is the best stratedgy in the long run....MS doesn't take the majority of the risk in developing the game while Sony is jsut pumping out money hand over fist making their own games. Who ends up being right, it'll be intresting.

Microsoft still assumes the risk of publishing games and heavily investing in their development and advertising costs. While not technically developing the game themselves, they are still a big player in its financing and finding top talent to help develop those games. It's a different strategy, but the risk is still very much the same.

Microsoft has nothing to do with finding talent or investing in technology when it comes to publishing 3rd party games. The only games that they directly invest in our 1st party titles... which is why this PR statement is so dubious. Microsoft has released some fun 1st party titles... but any that are graphically competitive. So after 3 years for them to claim they're finally going to hit some graphical leap doesn't sound very credible.
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#171 PoppaGamer
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I wonder when these unannounced games will be shown, maybe GDC. I'm sure they will far surpass Killzone 2, just wait.Floppy_Jim

That's a nice bit of ownage right there. :lol:

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#172 ToScA-
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"]from what I've been reading at Turn 10's site, Forza 3 will blow us away in the visuals department. :)...I can not wait to see just what they and the rest of the up coming 360 exclusives have in store for us.Adrian_Cloud
Forza 2 look liked garbage..:| Anyhow, since 360 has a better GPU i see it competing in graphics, but in all other areas PS3 has it beat. KZ2 has proven this, lighting, animation, textures,physics.

That's why he was talking about Forza 3 :|
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[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="Nedemis"]from what I've been reading at Turn 10's site, Forza 3 will blow us away in the visuals department. :)...I can not wait to see just what they and the rest of the up coming 360 exclusives have in store for us.ToScA-
Forza 2 look liked garbage..:| Anyhow, since 360 has a better GPU i see it competing in graphics, but in all other areas PS3 has it beat. KZ2 has proven this, lighting, animation, textures,physics.

That's why he was talking about Forza 3 :|

Yea, and basing off what ive seen with Forza 2 i have to disagree. It probably won't look better than PGR4. Since it supposedly sacrifices graphics for physics:|
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#174 ToScA-
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[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] Forza 2 look liked garbage..:| Anyhow, since 360 has a better GPU i see it competing in graphics, but in all other areas PS3 has it beat. KZ2 has proven this, lighting, animation, textures,physics.Adrian_Cloud
That's why he was talking about Forza 3 :|

Yea, and basing off what ive seen with Forza 2 i have to disagree.

You disagree on the developer's claims on the game's visuals despite having not seen the game yourself. Well, that's an interesting take I must say.

Can't quite recall Turn 10 boasting Forza 2's visuals either.

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#175 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="Nedemis"]from what I've been reading at Turn 10's site, Forza 3 will blow us away in the visuals department. :)...I can not wait to see just what they and the rest of the up coming 360 exclusives have in store for us.Adrian_Cloud
Forza 2 look liked garbage..:| Anyhow, since 360 has a better GPU i see it competing in graphics, but in all other areas PS3 has it beat. KZ2 has proven this, lighting, animation, textures,physics.

Let me do what we have always done but recieved no quarter from Cows but when they do this, seem to get away with when talking GT5P. Forza 2 looks great when I'm playing it on my HD TV so the pics mean nothing. :P That said, the Turn 10 guys could hardly contain themselves in a interview about a year ago saying: they can't even believe at that time , again, not too much after the dev'ing started on Forza 3, just how far ahead of Forza 2 they were with Forza 3. Yup, Forza 3 me thinks will look and game the part of a true consoles Driver champion so hang on to your hat and be ready for first class sim racing on 360 once again. :P
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#176 killab2oo5
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You disagree on the developer's claims on the game's visuals despite having not seen the game yourself. Well, that's an interesting take I must say.

Can't quite recall Turn 10 boasting Forza 2's visuals either.

ToScA-
I remember them going on about how it's 720 with HDR and 4xAA all at 60fps, and how the game has 3D grass...but that's all I remember.
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#177 EPaul
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This is very unlike M$..............
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#178 Hexagon_777
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"We congratulate Sony and Guerilla Games for their efforts with Killzone 2, however this is only the beginning of a new wave. The current technology employed for certain unannounced Xbox 360 exclusives far surpasses what gamers have seen in any game so far. Gears of War was the beginning of this technological benchmark when released on the 360 and this lineage will be carried forward in the following months with exclusives that shall stand for a new definition of gaming experience and provide stiff competition for the opposition."

http://www.gameguru.in/microsoft-xbox-360/2009/02/future-xbox-360-exclusives-will-surpass-killzone-2-microsoft/

Killzone 2 and Crysis going to get owned.

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That was quite amusing, thank you. :lol:

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[QUOTE="NickD33"]

"We congratulate Sony and Guerilla Games for their efforts with Killzone 2, however this is only the beginning of a new wave. The current technology employed for certain unannounced Xbox 360 exclusives far surpasses what gamers have seen in any game so far. Gears of War was the beginning of this technological benchmark when released on the 360 and this lineage will be carried forward in the following months with exclusives that shall stand for a new definition of gaming experience and provide stiff competition for the opposition."

http://www.gameguru.in/microsoft-xbox-360/2009/02/future-xbox-360-exclusives-will-surpass-killzone-2-microsoft/

Killzone 2 and Crysis going to get owned.

So MS is telling 360 owners to "just wait"? I thought only PS3 owners were supposed to wait.:?
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[QUOTE="DAZZER7"]Killzone 2 is a maybe. Crysis, no! There is simply no way for the 360 hardware to match Crysis running at Very High on a GTX 295 or 4870x2 with 4GB Ram and DX10. Sonic_on_crack
Killzone 2 isnt a maybe, the game is probably coming out a full year later @ the earliest. Lost Planet Already looks as good as Killzone if not better. To think that Killzone will still be the best looking console game a year from now is nothing short of dumb + 15

As someone who owns Killzone 2, I assure you Lost Planet 2 is not as good looking.

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:lol: "far surpass"? i'll believe it wen i see it. so for the moment i'll just enjoy that Killzone 2 is the console graphics king.
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[QUOTE="AppleBlade"]What's the point of posting this? Companies say BS like this all the time. I still remember back in the day when Atari was trying to claim that the Jaguar was more powerful then the Playstation and Saturn . . . LOL, when in reality the Jaguar was considerably LESS powerful.PAL360

You dont need to go that far! I remember sony claiming that PS3 was a lot more powerfull than the 360. At the end they are about the same...

Anyway,lets see what they are preparing. Im a bit curious about this ;)

I know your answer was a lame swipe at the PS3 but you are 100% correct. However you totally blew it with your next comment about being "curious" about this statement. This is nothing but complete B/S just like how it was B/S when Sony tried to make it seem like the PS3 was leagues ahead of the 360 as far as graphics are concerned. PS - BTW, though the PS3 and 360 are about the same, everyone except 360 fanboys will admit at this point (after Uncharted, MGS IV, and now Killzone 2 and with Heavy Rain and Uncharted 2 right around the corner) the PS3 has the slight edge in graphical ability.
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#183 3picuri3
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MS is starting to sound like Sony.Ragnarok1051
lets hope they can actual make good on it - unlike sony :P
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#184 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]Killzone 2 is a maybe. Crysis, no! There is simply no way for the 360 hardware to match Crysis running at Very High on a GTX 295 or 4870x2 with 4GB Ram and DX10. Uptown

Killzone 2 isnt a maybe, the game is probably coming out a full year later @ the earliest. Lost Planet Already looks as good as Killzone if not better. To think that Killzone will still be the best looking console game a year from now is nothing short of dumb + 15

As someone who owns Killzone 2, I assure you Lost Planet 2 is not as good looking.

LP2 is in alpha, and already in one thread nearly half of all people thought the videos looked better ;)
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#185 Uptown
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[QUOTE="Uptown"]

[QUOTE="Sonic_on_crack"] Killzone 2 isnt a maybe, the game is probably coming out a full year later @ the earliest. Lost Planet Already looks as good as Killzone if not better. To think that Killzone will still be the best looking console game a year from now is nothing short of dumb + 15 3picuri3

As someone who owns Killzone 2, I assure you Lost Planet 2 is not as good looking.

LP2 is in alpha, and already in one thread nearly half of all people thought the videos looked better ;)

The only people thinking it looked better are lemmings who are hoping its exclusive because it hasnt been announced for the PS3 yet. ;)

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#186 PAL360
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This thread is very ilucidative. No cow here believe that a 360 game can surpass Killzone2 but all of them think GoW3, Uncharted 2....will look better than it. Looks like the sonys overhype machine is still working!
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#187 PAL360
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Why does always have to be about technology? I couldn't care less if graphics are better than KZ2, as long as the game plays well...SMR-Venom

Well...thats why we have Halo3, Forza2, Ninja Gaiden2, Left4Dead and others. All of they pud gameplay over graphics...

I think only Gears 1 and 2 were on the graphics race. Its time to start thinking on another one ;)

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#188 FragTycoon
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Personally, I'd be impressed if MS makes a graphic intensive game w/o pop-in, never mind "far surpass".

I know they got some stuff cooking but I really cant see a massive game coming from a no-name developer wowing us all. Most of the big name developers are all accounted for with games announced. I could be wrong *shrug*

Will huxley finally show it's face? hrmmm

Side note: Specifically mentioning KZ2 sound like PR DC to me. The same would be true for any company addressing the competitor.

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#189 PAL360
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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="AppleBlade"]What's the point of posting this? Companies say BS like this all the time. I still remember back in the day when Atari was trying to claim that the Jaguar was more powerful then the Playstation and Saturn . . . LOL, when in reality the Jaguar was considerably LESS powerful.AppleBlade

You dont need to go that far! I remember sony claiming that PS3 was a lot more powerfull than the 360. At the end they are about the same...

Anyway,lets see what they are preparing. Im a bit curious about this ;)

I know your answer was a lame swipe at the PS3 but you are 100% correct. However you totally blew it with your next comment about being "curious" about this statement. This is nothing but complete B/S just like how it was B/S when Sony tried to make it seem like the PS3 was leagues ahead of the 360 as far as graphics are concerned. PS - BTW, though the PS3 and 360 are about the same, everyone except 360 fanboys will admit at this point (after Uncharted, MGS IV, and now Killzone 2 and with Heavy Rain and Uncharted 2 right around the corner) the PS3 has the slight edge in graphical ability.

No. I agree that Killzone2 looks better than any 360 exclusive but imo Gears2 is on pair with Uncharted and MGS4. Uncharted 2 and Heavy Rain are not out yet so you know about their graphics as much as i know about Alan Wake and Lost Planet 2 graphics.

btw, im only curious about this because MS dont use to lie about their games and their capabilities. On the other hand this ms claims look like an over reaction after the KZ2 graphics success. Lets "just wait" :P

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#190 carljohnson3456
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MS is starting to sound like Sony.Ragnarok1051
Yup. I highly doubt they'll have anything to surpass that "latest exclusive FPS" for the PS3. They might match it, but c'mon. The 360 has been out for 3+ years and it's only after the PS3 gets a game prettier than Gears 2 that they're going to say that there exclusives will "far surpass" it??? I doubt it. Maybe match it... but no way it's going to "far surpass".
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#191 clone01
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:lol: "far surpass"? i'll believe it wen i see it. so for the moment i'll just enjoy that Killzone 2 is the console graphics king. idontbeliveit
i definitely don't believe the "far surpass" thing either. however, and this is obviously just my opinion, i think RE5 looks better than KZ2.
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#192 Uptown
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[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]:lol: "far surpass"? i'll believe it wen i see it. so for the moment i'll just enjoy that Killzone 2 is the console graphics king. clone01
i definitely don't believe the "far surpass" thing either. however, and this is obviously just my opinion, i think RE5 looks better than KZ2.

I know these things are opinions, but having played both....KZ2 wipes the floor with RE5 graphically. RE5 is only aesthetically pleasing because of its clean look and great AA. The animations, enemy characters etc dont even come close to kz2's...nor does the amount of things going on simultaneously on the screen. Lightning, explosions, dust blowing in the wind, ships flying overhead, teammates and opponents trying to flank each other, grenades, wires blowing in the wind etc all at once is truly a sight to behold

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#193 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]MS is starting to sound like Sony.3picuri3
lets hope they can actual make good on it - unlike sony :P

Sony didnt deliver with Kilzone2? Sony didnt deliver with LBP? Sony didnt deliver with Resistance2? Ok, I think you are confused :? If anything, Sony is releasing some of the best exclusives this gen.
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#194 Uptown
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[QUOTE="3picuri3"][QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]MS is starting to sound like Sony.II_Seraphim_II
lets hope they can actual make good on it - unlike sony :P

Sony didnt deliver with Kilzone2? Sony didnt deliver with LBP? Sony didnt deliver with Resistance2? Ok, I think you are confused :? If anything, Sony is releasing some of the best exclusives this gen.

This. Banjo, Gears 2, Perfect Dark, Lost Odyssey etc were all far more disappointing than KZ2/LBP/R2 in terms of hype to expectations. Gears 2 came the closest, but the broken online play did it for me. Your first game shouldnt have better online play than your 2nd game.

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#195 walter429
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I hope its a Halo RPGSonic_on_crack
Yeah, probably a 7.5 here. Hmm... i dont think ms could do this. They wouldn't care to put enough time and effort anyway, especially for a new ip that wouldn't release until 2010. What a joke.
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"We congratulate Sony and Guerilla Games for their efforts with Killzone 2,.....NickD33
Love how MS is trying to sound like a good sport about that.
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#197 clone01
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[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]:lol: "far surpass"? i'll believe it wen i see it. so for the moment i'll just enjoy that Killzone 2 is the console graphics king. Uptown

i definitely don't believe the "far surpass" thing either. however, and this is obviously just my opinion, i think RE5 looks better than KZ2.

I know these things are opinions, but having played both....KZ2 wipes the floor with RE5 graphically. RE5 is only aesthetically pleasing because of its clean look and great AA. The animations, enemy characters etc dont even come close to kz2's...nor does the amount of things going on simultaneously on the screen. Lightning, explosions, dust blowing in the wind, ships flying overhead, teammates and opponents trying to flank each other, grenades, wires blowing in the wind etc all at once is truly a sight to behold

certainly, but i am also taking character models and enemy design into account. granted, yes, i'll agree that, from a technical perspective, yes, KZ2 gets the nod.
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#198 carljohnson3456
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[QUOTE="NickD33"]"We congratulate Sony and Guerilla Games for their efforts with Killzone 2,.....nervmeister
Love how MS is trying to sound like a good sport about that.

lol Yeah... just give it time. Aaron Greenburg will be crying to the media about it sooner or later. If there is one thing for sure about MS and Sony... Kaz will always say something arrogant and stupid, and Aaron Greenburg will always say suck his thumb.
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haha, ok PR hype, i'll believe it when i see it...
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#200 Zero5000X
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i'm hoping for conker 2, banjo 3, or lost odyssey 2.