MS won November but at what cost ?!

http://psgamer.co.uk/ps4/4294/the-xbox-one-beat-the-ps4-in-november-but-at-what-cost-we-do-the-math/

I guess MS needed to start somewhere, even losing tens of millions to do so. Anyway, I have been seeing some crazy PS4 bundles here in the UK, I am getting one on Boxing day.

Dec, will likely determine which console will keep selling more in the US for the upcoming months. From what I saw Sony recently is offering better bundles at the moment at least in the UK.

So, useless speculation?

Console manufacturers make most of their money from licensing and services, not the hardware sales

@2mrw: there's absolutely no reason to pick the ps4 to buy right now, at all. But go ahead, do your thing lol.

The day the price goes back to normal, that ride is over. It's that simple. If MS new strategy is to get cornholed all year so they can buy the holiday season, that would be great.

Those prices are a year old and if correct now the PS4 is losing money as well. They could only use finger in the air prices for Kinect as well.

Most likely the losses for both consoles are similar and minimal.

Prices will remain similar going forward, with tit for tat deals from month to month. so I guess the ride will last a while yet.

what do you mean what cost?

to me?

a lower cost which got me $50 off the console and two free games.

the cost to ms?

who the **** cares?

oh noes! ms can't build a fort for their money to play in out of more money? oh the huge manatee!

wtf is wrong with you people?

Hit the nail on the head.

The cows done went and pissed off Santa Phil.

Lol, an article from PSgamer... Secondly calling 65mil an eye watering amount for a company like Microsoft is just plain dumb. They paid 2.5 billion for Mojang, I guess losing 65 million just to be more competitive doesn't really mean that much. Idiots.

UK/US alone is not important, what was world wide sales in november? mmm right lol

What is next, bu bu but Xboner sold more at my local wallmart !!!

Fanboys being fanboys I can understand if their drive to rip on other consoles, but a magazine like PlayStation gaming magazine should stick to hyping up all things PlayStation and not tearing down others, especially over something laughably grasping at straws to criticize the PlayStation's main competition, leave that kind of behavior to the shameless console war minions.

lol, MS can afford to take that "hit" many times over.

Their stock prices are UP since Balmer left so they can afford to take risks. They will surpass 400 billion in market cap soon, it was down to about 250 Billion towards the end of Balmergate. They are doing really well, even the windows devices are selling well..........which i NEVER thought id see.

Xbox can afford to take risks, especially with the new leaders from the ground up.

I have faith that the Xbox will be better (as far as exclusives) than the 360, especially with the growing install base.

PSGamer is clearly biased and looking for hits on this one

Yeah PSgamer is biased because it pointed out that MS had to basically go under the PS4 price by $70 dollars,when it started 12 months earlier at $100 more,to add insult to it with 2 free games,1 of the a new and fresh release of a big franchise + a $50 dollar gift card.

To outsell the PS4 by 400k which is a good number but not that great considering the gap in price games and gifts.

Sony without nothing in September and with a bundle that charged people for a game MS was also giving free they outsold the XBO by 253k alone with no price drop or anything,this is what force MS to take extreme measure,investors are tiered of the xbox one losses,in 13 years it has got nothing but losses when all is add up the losses surpass the profits make by the 360,the XBO now is just add more to that chart.

Game wise the xbox one is actually behind the 360 by a considerable margin,i know i was a 360 owner since day 1.

If it was that easy they would have started last year at $300 and be done with it loss $200 and win the generation things don't work that way the xbox one is a business.

True...but they generally do try to minimize the loss per unit sold. And eventually they do reach the point where they are not losing money on the console itself. The lower the price the longer it takes to reach said point. Particularly if the product isn't selling well. And stock holders can get nervous about products that don't make them money. So it's not a positive for MS.

Pretty sure Microsoft and Kleenex had an exclusive deal to recoup any price cut losses in November with an anticipation of soaking up copious amounts of playstation fanboy tears...

.... Like their plan to take holiday sales and judging by the insane amount damage control out of the Sony defense force over the past few days, I'd say the plan is working swimmingly....

Oh, and thanks playstation website for also playing along... Funny, I don't remember reading an article during generation 7 that spoke to how much money Sony was flushing with each price cut to stay in the race with the xbox 360... Hmm..

You've been in SW too long. I doubt anyone is upset over this minor spike in sales. I think of the posts here as the reverse. MS fans so desperate they take a minor spike with everything being thrown in with the console as fait accompli.

SW brings the amusement that is for sure.....

@LJS9502_basic: all in fun, my friend... :P of course we all play our roles when "big" news leans in one direction or the other... Microsoft fans have had their fair share of eating crow in gen8 so a little push in their favor is both expected, from time to time and welcome...

That said, a playstation website playing the defense game like we all do here in system wars is absolutely funny.... And pathetic as we too can be.

Oh and that November NPD thread, the damage control was off the charts... It felt like mid 2007 again...

@TheEroica said:@LJS9502_basic: all in fun, my friend... :P of course we all play our roles when "big" news leans in one direction or the other... Microsoft fans have had their fair share of eating crow in gen8 so a little push in their favor is both expected, from time to time and welcome...

That said, a playstation website playing the defense game like we all do here in system wars is absolutely funny.... And pathetic as we too can be.

I will leave Nintendo out of this since I haven't noticed if they do this or not....but MS does that too with info....not just Sony. Anyway I'm not sure why the PS website would even bother....I think they have this gen sown up. I really don't see MS catching up.

MS can afford to play the long game. Console sales are not where the money is but instead the money is made from buying for the console such as games, music, ect. Also license fees and ect. MS knows it just need to get the consoles out there. Sony is just broke as hell as a company with being in junk status with 2 of the 3 major credit rating companies and not able to do what MS can do.

A PS site reporting negatively on Xbox? Nooooo.

Sony scrambling to make sense of how they just got KNOCKED THE **** OUT

@LJS9502_basic: currently, I have the same feeling... Sony is being more aggressive on the games front with indies and new ip and that's going to treat them well, I feel i, n the overall ecosystem they're creating... I don't see Microsoft playing catch up on the quality and diverse content Sony has been seemingly gearing up to release over the next year.

But.... I also remember when the xbox 360 for several years looked untouchable for the same reasons over the Playstation 3... And the ps3 most certainly caught up.

Different factors at play sure, but anything is possible when several years have yet to be written.

LOL I'm sure the mathematicians with insider knowledge at the highly respectable PSGAMER have it all sussed out.

Thanks for the share. Highly informative and full of facts. Nice one.

Microsoft where fined 1.4 million a day by the european union for breach of anti trust laws, one MS executive at the time said it was small change from behind the sofa.

MS can afford to lose the money.

Wow, you can smell the fear from the lemmings as the realization sets in. Sure hope it keeps up. Gives Elop all the justfication he needs to sell off the Shitbox.

Taste that desperation from Justin.

Lol, still butthurt over November NPD

What the hell are you talking about? Are you in that much of a fanboy delusion that you cant even READ what i said?

How is what you said even relevant to what i said?

You make it seem like the leadership remained the same and those leaders only NOW decided to make that decision.

Xbox One had a ton of screw ups, but most of those people are gone. The new crew seems to get it........and realize they can afford the losses.

PS4 not only outsold Xbox on price but on market hype and reception (or lack thereof) of the Xbox One

Lets not let delusion convince you that MS isnt a marketing powerhouse. Taking a loss and bundles was a strategy to combat the previous failures.

How can you view this as desperation..........yet it is the same strategy that PS3 used to get back in the game?

Why am i even tossing logic at a well-known PS Fanboy like you?

Why cant you be objective and understand that yes, these are businesses, and they BOTH have to do what they can to get ahead. PS4 has just been more fortunate...........as 360 was last gen?

It's easy to say Microsoft lost $65m on revenue from the deals but if 500,000 of those sales pay for XBox live for a year that's $25m based on a $50 fee, now if 1 million subscribe to XBox live most of the Revenue is regained. Obviously Microsoft don't see all the money for an Xbox live sale, retailer cuts etc..

One thing I noticed today was the sheer number of Xbox One commercials. I mean, holy shit. I very rarely see a PS4 commercial in Canada.

Lol, still butthurt over a year and half of domination that isn't stopping.

OHHHH REAAAALLLLLY? Xbox ONE already WON. You just don't realize it yet Nader. One day you will wake up to the sound of Cortana greeting you on your very own...............Xbox ONE. Domination? Reality son.

Not a big deal for MS. They don't ship Kinect with the new consoles, saves them $100, then drop the price (as it should be dropped after the first year) so to me they look to be right on track. Now, PS4 on the other hand, still charging launch price for a year old console. Shame on them.

Why so worried about MS's billions I mean cool, you're concerned for their welfare of course lol instead shouldn't we celebrate them and the sweet deals for gamers and encourage Sony & Nintendo to do the same? :o

Thank you based MS eh?

Haha, yeah keep winning summer season, holiday season is 5 times as much

Kinect cost about $75 to make not $100...

Bullshit it took the xbox 360 almost 2 years to get a price cut and was only $50...

Epic cow butthurt tears.

Gamers won and showed MS that we don't want Kinect.

@phazevarience: @tormentos: 360 didn't need one in North America, because they knocked ps3s teeth out in the first two years.... (actually, Sony helped in knocking their own teeth out too). I don't blame Sony for keeping launch price if the console still has demand at a 400$ price point.

People sometimes forget that price cuts are indicative of stimulating sales... Their not these little gifts to gamers passed out once a year to make us happy.... If the demand is high at launch price, then the company should keep selling it at that price. I would.

Exactly that is the point MS is doing it now because they are desperate.

In this case MS already had a whole propaganda ready,not only about they selling more units and claiming a fake momentum but also about selling of games when they were giving consumers in black friday $50 dollar gift cards,basically MS was giving then a 3rd game or basically xbox live free.

When the xbox 360 was at this point MS was charging people $399 with no cuts and no freebies all the contrary over priced DLC was the new wave.

I am not saying that it is bad bad but damn is desperation what they are doing,one thing is to bundle a free game,another is 2 games $70 dollars less + $50 cards man this is MS as always trowing money at every one trying to win good will,in the end it didn't work with the xbox,xbox 360 and i am sure it will not with the xbox one..

At the cost of inducing butthurt in fanboys like TC and fanboy propaganda websites he quotes.

Considering the PS4 hasn't dipped below 200,000 once this year that's at least 2,000,000 in the first ten months. 800,000 PS4s in November alone then a similar or slightly higher number in December means your maths are balls and you should stop paying attention to Aaron Greenberg.

The Xbone flagging because no one wants it then getting front loaded sales because MS is desperate for market share is an anomaly.

I remember when you were good at this, Justin.

@2mrw: What cost?

The dropped $50. 500 kinect to 449, 400 non-kinect to 349. Plus some games. All of which are overshadowed by an increase in live, the attach rate, and other services. Aong with enough people buying enough to nearly make up for it alone.

People are acting like MS just lost 5 billion dollars in 1-2 months. Makes no damn sense. It's actually smarter than what Sony dd multiple times with the PS3, which lost almost triple as much and some change.

As if redesigning your product and dropping the price $200 *cough* PS3 -> PS3 Slim *cough* was just "good business" and not desperation?

Cows...

@StormyJoe: All consoles drop in price over time. It's kind of silly to pretend they don't. However, that said, MS dropped their console with less than one year retail. That is a negative signal by the way.....

I bought my 360 after a price drop dude.....did that make MS desperate? Don't be a hypocrite.

Where do you live? Summer season... Is that all year through?

Why are you accusing me of being a hypocrite? I did not bring up "desperation", Tormentos did. I am saying that both companies have done big price drops.

especially when Sony itself is losing billions each year, and MS is still turning profits every year. obviously they know what they are doing.

Sony always redesign their models idiot is how you cut manufacturing cost not eating a $70 price drop + giving 2 free games + giving $50 back as well in a card,and the slim PS3 didn't hit until 2009 3 years after,MS has been selling the xbox one under $500 since Ferbruary 22 when they started selling the Titanfall bundle with Kinect for $449 and in Uk dropped the price as well.

There is a difference between what sony did when they redesign the PS4 and what MS did this pass holiday,the xbox one still cost MS a pretty penny to produce and they eat a loss,Sony lower it by changing the inside components,smaller Board,smaller CPU and GPU,smaller case,smaller fan.

Sony has been redesigning consoles before the xbox were even here and desperation wasn't the reason,when sony introduced the PSone they weren't losing vs Nintendo or Sega,they already won the generation,it was a simple way to make it cheaper and reach even more people.

The same with the PS2 slim when sony introduce the slim PS2 it was all over already sony had won the generation already and by a land slide.

The xbox one has been losing badly to the point were it was almost double in september even that it gave away Destiny + Forza 5 at $399 it wasn't moving reason for the desperation drop,freebies and gifts cards..hahahaa