multiplats don't reach ps3's full potential?

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[QUOTE="gangster480"]

i can actually check right now to see how much space FFXtakes, hold on

double_heist

FFX is 4299 mb so single layer dvd, but it is possible for ps2 games to have 8 gb like god of war 2

I thought FFX is going to be bigger with all the cgi movies but its 4gbs

I know!! It must have over 50 hrs of gamplay. cant believe its not more. and i loved the soundtrack

xbox360's hardware is better mgs4 honestly would of looked better on 360 even if needed to be shipped on like 10 dvd's because the hardware has more memory.damnyoyodamn

lets see if that rising game can justify this.

[QUOTE="damnyoyodamn"]xbox360's hardware is better mgs4 honestly would of looked better on 360 even if needed to be shipped on like 10 dvd's because the hardware has more memory.gangster480

lets see if that rising game can justify this.

id rather have someting not noticeable than something really noticable.seriously in some games you have too be the biggest fanboy to even see the diffrence between the consoles.but in the end ill rather have slightly worse off graphics than muiltiple discs.

[QUOTE="gangster480"]

[QUOTE="damnyoyodamn"]xbox360's hardware is better mgs4 honestly would of looked better on 360 even if needed to be shipped on like 10 dvd's because the hardware has more memory.damnyoyodamn

lets see if that rising game can justify this.

[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

How is it out of the question? While I can't confirm Crysis' size, I can confirm that a number of PC titles that look significantly better than anything on the PS3 or 360 take up less than 9GB of disk space (Company of Heroes, Dawn of War 2 and World in Conflict). While it isn't a perfect comparison, the fact remains that DVD is not the limiting factor for either the PS3 or 360.

damnyoyodamn

if microsoft would stop charging money it wouldnt be a limiting factor, but ahh who cares even if a 360 comes on 50 dvd atleast it will have better graphics than ps3 version. yea metal gear solid 4 might need 2 or 3 dvd on 360 but it would look graphically better LULZdamnyoyodamn

I see people here claiming that a certain PS3 exclusive would magically look better if it was made for the 360.

If the claim is 360 is better graphically, then how come 360 exclusives dont match to PS3's exclusives (as far as graphics go)?

and please dont give me that "less dev tme" excuse.

I see people here claiming that a certain PS3 exclusive would magically look better if it was made for the 360.

If the claim is 360 is better graphically, then how come 360 exclusives dont match to PS3's exclusives (as far as graphics go)?

and please dont give me that "less dev tme" excuse.

def_mode

BECAUSE DVD IS A LIMITING FACTOR!!!lol jk i had to say that

He makes a good point, uncharted, killzone, and mgs4 has awesome graphics, iwanna say theyre better looking than 360 exclusives but wont because the fanboys will get all riled up.

I see people here claiming that a certain PS3 exclusive would magically look better if it was made for the 360.

If the claim is 360 is better graphically, then how come 360 exclusives dont match to PS3's exclusives (as far as graphics go)?

and please dont give me that "less dev tme" excuse.

def_mode

BECAUSE DVD IS A LIMITING FACTOR!!!lol jk i had to say that

He makes a good point, uncharted, killzone, and mgs4 has awesome graphics, iwanna say theyre better looking than 360 exclusives but wont because the fanboys will get all riled up.

I see people here claiming that a certain PS3 exclusive would magically look better if it was made for the 360.

If the claim is 360 is better graphically, then how come 360 exclusives dont match to PS3's exclusives (as far as graphics go)?

and please dont give me that "less dev tme" excuse.

def_mode

Once dev's start making engines built for 360 built to show off 360 specific's then it will destroy ps3. it already out does any ps3 game built ground up with a multiplatform engine gamedamnyoyodamn

SquareEnix has been saying that they are focused on making FFXlll on ps3 first and TRY to reach ps3's full potential then port it to the 360. they did not say that there will be multiple discs but that seems to be the case

If Japanese didn't make PS3 so complicated and hard to program,it would have more developers willing to work hard to reach its full potential.This is the reason why most multiplatform games look slightly better on 360.Why would anyone spend more time and energy to discover PS3's hidden power when 360 is already all open and ready.

The same if true for the pc version..

If devs take advantage of the ps3/pc's adavantages (blueray and a virtually unlimitem hd) then devs would need to use more dvds and when theres more dvds they would have to pay M$ more royalties.

8gb seems to be an interesting number wouldn't you say? :shock: OMG can it be?? its around the size limited on DVD!!

gangster480

Instead of looking at the file space used up; why not ask what it is actually doing with that space?

I haven't actually seen those games do anything with storage that couldn't be done on 360 outside of content compression.

As far as I'm concerned Blu-ray isn't very useful until next generation.

Cow's fail to realize that game size has nothing to do with graphics and quality. Sure larger more detailed higher resolution textures take up more space but even the game with the best graphics ATM only takes up 6gb of install space (Crysis).

PC users don't measure their PC's speed by their hard drive/media storage size... console users shouldn't either.

CPM_basic

Cow's fail to realize that game size has nothing to do with graphics and quality. Sure larger more detailed higher resolution textures take up more space but even the game with the best graphics ATM only takes up 6gb of install space (Crysis).

PC users don't measure their PC's speed by their hard drive/media storage size... console users shouldn't either.CPM_basic

I think allot of these people forget that storage is an enabler and not a cause, having enough is critical but having vastly more than needed isn't going to significantly improve your experience. At the end of the day storage is simply responsible for holding the art assets used by games, it is the power of the hardware and available memory that determines the quality.

All Blu-ray does is prevent textures from being compressed more than they need to be, but they cannot exceed what 256mb Vram can store.

lol xbox vs ps2.....xbox multiplats looked better, xbox360 is more powerful so multiplats look better damnyoyodamn

so if the xbox360 is more powerful then why is killzone 2 the current graphics king

and uncharted 2 got best graphics at E3 2009 not alan wake which is on pace to be the best looking game on the xbox 360

[QUOTE="damnyoyodamn"]lol xbox vs ps2.....xbox multiplats looked better, xbox360 is more powerful so multiplats look better fedor19820

so if the xbox360 is more powerful then why is killzone 2 the current graphics king

and uncharted 2 got best graphics at E3 2009 not alan wake which is on pace to be the best looking game on the xbox 360

yeah, its all disc spaces fault games are short....because all those ps3 exclusives are way longer than fallout and oblivion....pfft, i can't even listen to most of you guys any longer because it makes me lose faith that people have one tiny bit of analytical thinking ability left

btw the whole ones and zeros are better on bluray drives me up the wall too, todays games can literally be on paper punch cards from the turn of the 19th century for all the difference the storage medium makes

You make a valid point. It could be a reason why most games are short, 360's disc capacity is holding the PS3 back.

A developer can throw as many content as they want on a Blu Ray disc but they cant because the PS3 and 360 version of the game has to be indentical in terms of content.

def_mode

So then why are PC games the same as 360/PS3 multiplats? Bottom line is this. 3rd Parties don't have those Sony backed budgets to push the system and even if they did they would be putting out more money for less of a return. So why do it? Its not 360's disc capacity holding PS3 back. Its PS3's userbase and software sales that are. If both were higher then there would be more of an incentive.

I don't know if this has been brought up yet as I'm too lazy to read through every post, but alot of PS3 games use so mauch data in redundantcy. The Blu Ray drive on the PS3 is inherently slow, so to make up for up some devs put the same data on the disk more than once to make reading the data/loading the game faster. I know MGS4 does this, I'll look for a link.

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[QUOTE="damnyoyodamn"]lol xbox vs ps2.....xbox multiplats looked better, xbox360 is more powerful so multiplats look better damnyoyodamn

so if the xbox360 is more powerful then why is killzone 2 the current graphics king

and uncharted 2 got best graphics at E3 2009 not alan wake which is on pace to be the best looking game on the xbox 360

oblivion and fallout 3 fit on one dvd . i spend more than 100 hours on both . mgs4 use alot of space for video and killzone 2 is not very long . by the way creating content on the ps3 is very expensive this is a better explication why some multiplat are short . legol1

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MGS on 360. Why it won't happen.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"][QUOTE="damnyoyodamn"]if microsoft would stop charging money it wouldnt be a limiting factor, but ahh who cares even if a 360 comes on 50 dvd atleast it will have better graphics than ps3 version. yea metal gear solid 4 might need 2 or 3 dvd on 360 but it would look graphically better LULZNonstop-Madness

Hasn't that person ever heard of lossless compression? There is little reason for developers using Blu-ray to use compression, some would argue that is a good thing; but really you can reduce the file size of stuff with little to no impact on the quality.

Blu-rays are most likely full of examples of wasted space, from using no compression to repeating content to assist with Blu-ray's read speed issues. I have sat through MGS4 and I did not see anything in that game that requires the sort of space it uses.

Crysis is 7GB and looks better than your 34059723456890234679 petabyte Blu-ray discs.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"][QUOTE="zero_snake99"] 2 or 3 dvds? Seriously? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR12jqCR5X4 There, this tells you why it needs like 15 dvds without me typing it all out.AnnoyedDragon

Hasn't that person ever heard of lossless compression? There is little reason for developers using Blu-ray to use compression, some would argue that is a good thing; but really you can reduce the file size of stuff with little to no impact on the quality.

Blu-rays are most likely full of examples of wasted space, from using no compression to repeating content to assist with Blu-ray's read speed issues. I have sat through MGS4 and I did not see anything in that game that requires the sort of space it uses.

MGS4 is compressed heavily, that's why it has installs. Also "lossless" compression isn't a light task. No game supports that feature. It takes a lot more memory than any of the consoles have.zero_snake99

As I have said, I have seen nothing in that game that justifies the storage space it takes up. You can tell me it is highly compressed; but there's something taking up all that space and I cannot see anything in the game that may be it.

Lossless audio, 1080p video and duplicated files are a few contenders; but surely they wouldn't bloat up the game that much. It's very easy for a PS3 user to point at the disk size as evidence of the need for Blu-ray, but without actually knowing what is in that file size it's hardly credible evidence.

[QUOTE="zero_snake99"]MGS4 is compressed heavily, that's why it has installs. Also "lossless" compression isn't a light task. No game supports that feature. It takes a lot more memory than any of the consoles have.AnnoyedDragon

As I have said, I have seen nothing in that game that justifies the storage space it takes up. You can tell me it is highly compressed; but there's something taking up all that space and I cannot see anything in the game that may be it.

Lossless audio, 1080p video and duplicated files are a few contenders; but surely they wouldn't bloat up the game that much. It's very easy for a PS3 user to point at the disk size as evidence of the need for Blu-ray, but without actually knowing what is in that file size it's hardly credible evidence.