Multiple analysts are predicting dark days ahead for the Wii.

that are on other systems, but the only ones that would say "it's very poor when compared to the other systems" would be someone unqualified and not well informed enough to make that call in the first place.

Bigboi500

And I am very well informed about systems library, very well informed

even if the darkest of the dark times came, it wouldnt change much..

the lead is just to big at this point.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"] that are on other systems, but the only ones that would say "it's very poor when compared to the other systems" would be someone unqualified and not well informed enough to make that call in the first place.

Giancar

And I am very well informed about systems library, very well informed

Since wii sales are lowering, don't be surprised if you start hearing of a wii successor soon.

michael582

[QUOTE="Giancar"]ehhh I don't base a system library based on retro downloables games or b/c compability. they had their chance, and made the system those were released on great ones. besides 360 and ps3 have lots of thos dl titles, retro dl titles, b/cLegatoSkyheart

why should you not include them? Most of the Retro Titles that the Wii offers haven't been on the Market for Years.

and you may or not find them on the other systems.

Nobody is arguing that the Wii is not behind other consoles from a technical aspect. But even as he said himself, he's not played a lot of the Wii's great games, and neither has a lot of people that over look its library. I acknowledged that it doesn't have the same number of great games that are on other systems, but the only ones that would say "it's very poor when compared to the other systems" would be someone unqualified and not well informed enough to make that call in the first place.

Bigboi500

Review sites on average play for more games for each system than most gamers, I would say that would make them informed enough to make such a judgment.

Just looking at reviews at this site the 360 has 162 AA and up rated games while the Wii only 65, I personally dont know how some one would be able to objectivily spin those numbers in a way to make the library look great in comparison.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Nobody is arguing that the Wii is not behind other consoles from a technical aspect. But even as he said himself, he's not played a lot of the Wii's great games, and neither has a lot of people that over look its library. I acknowledged that it doesn't have the same number of great games that are on other systems, but the only ones that would say "it's very poor when compared to the other systems" would be someone unqualified and not well informed enough to make that call in the first place.

opex07

Review sites on average play for more games for each system than most gamers, I would say that would make them informed enough to make such a judgment.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]Nobody is arguing that the Wii is not behind other consoles from a technical aspect. But even as he said himself, he's not played a lot of the Wii's great games, and neither has a lot of people that over look its library. I acknowledged that it doesn't have the same number of great games that are on other systems, but the only ones that would say "it's very poor when compared to the other systems" would be someone unqualified and not well informed enough to make that call in the first place.

opex07

Review sites on average play for more games for each system than most gamers, I would say that would make them informed enough to make such a judgment.

Analysts also predicted in 2000 all computers would fail

EDIT: Fail spelling

Analists also predicted in 2000 all computers would fail

OB-47

LOL?

I don't put that much stock in "professional" reviews, and I doubt most of them have been gaming longer than I have. Also, who really knows if some of them have conflicts of interest, bias, or outside influences behind some of their thinking or not?

Bigboi500

You can compare reviewers to other reviewers to see if they are being influenced in a negative or positive way. When you see 100 or so reviewers giving a game a 9.0 I think its safe to say that the reviewer under question giving the game a 9.0 isn't being bias in some way, unless you want to argue that there is some conspiracy going on that's influencing all reviewers.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]I don't put that much stock in "professional" reviews, and I doubt most of them have been gaming longer than I have. Also, who really knows if some of them have conflicts of interest, bias, or outside influences behind some of their thinking or not?

opex07

You can compare reviewers to other reviewers to see if they are being influenced in a negative or positive way. When you see 100 or so reviewers giving a game a 9.0 I think its safe to say that the reviewer under question giving the game a 9.0 isn't being bias in some way, unless you want to argue that there is some conspiracy going on that's influencing all reviewers.

It doesn't seem like Giancar is using his personal opinion at all to argue his case, he has brought up the fact that the Wii is behind the other consoles technically, and that the general view of the console's library by the gaming media is very poor when compared to the other systems. None of that is opinionated, and very much factual.

opex07

What is factual about saying a system doesn't deserve to win?

Too little too late the damage is already done and we now have Kinect/Move coming out.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

why should you not include them? Most of the Retro Titles that the Wii offers haven't been on the Market for Years.

and you may or not find them on the other systems.

shinrabanshou

How is it Backwards Compatible if I have to pay for Megaman 2 for the NES again just to play it on the Wii?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

why should you not include them? Most of the Retro Titles that the Wii offers haven't been on the Market for Years.

and you may or not find them on the other systems.

LegatoSkyheart

How is it Backwards Compatible if I have to pay for Megaman 2 for the NES again just to play it on the Wii?

People generally refer to current gen games for the current gen consoles, when they talk about the current gen consoles' libraries.

No one's really referring to X-Men: The Arcade Game for XBLA or PSN, (even though it will be awesome). Etc.

What is factual about saying a system doesn't deserve to win?

Silverbond

When it fails to best its opponents in so many different areas?

It's called a price drop. Wii's going to finish this gen on top because they could probably sell the console for $75 and still make a profit.

It's going to be weaker but they could jumpstart sales with a price drop.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

What is factual about saying a system doesn't deserve to win?

opex07

When it fails to best its opponents in so many different areas?

and which areas would that be? The only important one is the games themself, and that purely subjective

[QUOTE="Silverbond"]

What is factual about saying a system doesn't deserve to win?

opex07

When it fails to best its opponents in so many different areas?

It's impossible to determine whether a console deserves sales or not because what might be a total failure to one person could be the best thing since sliced bread to another person. More people bought the Wii whether you like it or not. You can't make them buy 360s and PS3s...

Too little too late the damage is already done and we now have Kinect/Move coming out.

Fizzman

the Wii was a mistake that is gonna be earesed soon.

It's called a price drop. Wii's going to finish this gen on top because they could probably sell the console for $75 and still make a profit.

It's going to be weaker but they could jumpstart sales with a price drop.

RandomWinner

And I don't really know how much of a sustained drive the Wii would have, I don't really think price is the limiting factor preventing people from getting it now really. It would probably spike, and then fade back. The Holiday season will be telling.

Just looking at reviews at this site the 360 has 162 AA and up rated games while the Wii only 65, I personally dont know how some one would be able to objectivily spin those numbers in a way to make the library look great in comparison.

opex07

I think we all know that "analysts" are like the weather men of this industry. skinny_man_69

I will give you a hint of what they have in common: They both wear ties to a job that could be done by a monkey

skinny_man_69

this thread is a mixture of little facts, and lots of fanboyism. Which can be seen in the type of people posting here.

This isnt the first Wii is doomed thread, and im sure its not the last either.

But the only thing thats clear is that the wii is leading, and aslong at it still sells units, the ps360 wont catch up.

and which areas would that be? The only important one is the games themself, and that purely subjective

marcogamer07

One systems may have more games that appeal to someone, but that doesn't mean it has the better library. I'm sure most people interested in gaming, and not extremely bias can realize that the Wii is missing out on most of the quality titles this generation, and has very few developers that are willing to spend the time needed to make good games for the system. I'm not trying to be harsh, and don't believe the Wii to be a bad system on its own, I just believe that when compared to the other systems the Wii is lacking, and that should be apparent to any reasonable person.

I personally enjoyed my Xbox last generation more than the other consoles due to its online (my own appeal), but that's not going to stop me from seeing that most of the quality titles where on the PS2, which had a library far more massive then any other system before its time.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

How is it Backwards Compatible if I have to pay for Megaman 2 for the NES again just to play it on the Wii?

shinrabanshou

People generally refer to current gen games for the current gen consoles, when they talk about the current gen consoles' libraries.

No one's really referring to X-Men: The Arcade Game for XBLA or PSN, (even though it will be awesome). Etc.

They should be included.

Limbo is an incrediable game for the 360, and DeathSpank I've heard is awesome.

this thread is a mixture of little facts, and lots of fanboyism. Which can be seen in the type of people posting here.

This isnt the first Wii is doomed thread, and im sure its not the last either.

But the only thing thats clear is that the wii is leading, and aslong at it still sells units, the ps360 wont catch up.

Half-Way

The Holiday may reverse this trend, but it's a wait and see, even Iwata has stated that a lot depends on how well the Wii does this Holiday, iirc.

It has built up a large lead, but that means nothing if publishers can't move their software on it in terms of getting games on the system.

The Wii could be pulled off the market for the next 3 years and the PS3 and 360 still probably wouldn't catch up... so I don't think it even matters. Pretty much everyone who wants a Wii has one at this point of course the sales are gonna slow down.

the Wii was a mistake that is gonna be earesed soon.

omho88

I just going to ignore all the fanboys in this thread. The wii is a great system, but you have to look deeper to understand why it's a great system.

Can the Wii go any where else?

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

this thread is a mixture of little facts, and lots of fanboyism. Which can be seen in the type of people posting here.

This isnt the first Wii is doomed thread, and im sure its not the last either.

But the only thing thats clear is that the wii is leading, and aslong at it still sells units, the ps360 wont catch up.

shinrabanshou

The Holiday may reverse this trend, but it's a wait and see, even Iwata has stated that a lot depends on how well the Wii does this Holiday, iirc.

It has built up a large lead, but that means nothing if publishers can't move their software on it in terms of getting games on the system.

i want you to read those words.

i think nintendo are trying to use software to boost sales this year.... so far it hasnt worked but well see in christmas :P

I think we all know that "analysts" are like the weather men of this industry. I will give you a hint of what they have in common: They both wear ties to a job that could be done by a monkey

skinny_man_69