Name one innovative idea Sony came up with this gen.

Give me on innovative idea MS came up with.Solid_Max13

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Solid_Max13"]Give me on innovative idea MS came up with.Solid_Max13

[QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

The ability to install an alternate operating system effectively turning your gaming console into a computer. How about that?

fourseamer4

[QUOTE="fourseamer4"][QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

The ability to install an alternate operating system effectively turning your gaming console into a computer. How about that?

brennan7777

ratchet and clank have had skill points(achivements) for a while

[QUOTE="fourseamer4"]

Compare to MS or Nintendo... Sony has copied achievements, has jumped on the generic/soldier/FPS genre with Resistance and KZ2, basically did their own Wii mote knockoff, comming out with their own version of mario kart. I would say LBP is innovative but level editors in games has been done before. I primarily use my PS3 as a Blu-ray player which I don't see as an innovation.

coltsfan4ever

MLB The Show and some other exclusives.

ratchet and clank have had skill points(achivements for a while)

Slywolf10

Blu-Ray. Bash it as you will, but I can argue many ways that it is an improvement. SpruceCaboose

Blu-Ray. Bash it as you will, but I can argue many ways that it is an improvement. SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Blu-Ray. Bash it as you will, but I can argue many ways that it is an improvement. fourseamer4

Nintendo's the only company that has come up with anything innovative this generation. -_-;;

Shad0ki11

the stick you wave at the screen that gives you less accurate control than the pad for nes? no thanks

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Blu-Ray. Bash it as you will, but I can argue many ways that it is an improvement. Shafftehr

[QUOTE="fourseamer4"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Blu-Ray. Bash it as you will, but I can argue many ways that it is an improvement. SpruceCaboose

blue ray does nothing to improve game experiences besides changing a disk once every 50 hours of gameplay...

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Blu-Ray. Bash it as you will, but I can argue many ways that it is an improvement. fourseamer4

I wanted a playstation AND a blu ray so it was a win win for me.

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

Nintendo's the only company that has come up with anything innovative this generation. -_-;;

CHRION987

the stick you wave at the screen that gives you less accurate control than the pad for nes? no thanks

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="fourseamer4"] Blu-ray has done nothing for gaming and I can buy a stand-alone cheaper than the PS3 or have a blu-ray drive on my computer.CHRION987

blue ray does nothing to improve game experiences besides changing a disk once every 50 hours of gameplay...

[QUOTE="CHRION987"]

[QUOTE="Shad0ki11"]

Nintendo's the only company that has come up with anything innovative this generation. -_-;;

princeofshapeir

the stick you wave at the screen that gives you less accurate control than the pad for nes? no thanks

yea it works ok, I dont see it being used in MLG pro tournaments, fun for mario galaxy, but Ill take a 360 pad anyday. Much more accurate control, imagine playing ninja gaiden with the wii's tv remote thing

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Blu-Ray. Bash it as you will, but I can argue many ways that it is an improvement. SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="CHRION987"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Yes it has, and so what?SpruceCaboose

blue ray does nothing to improve game experiences besides changing a disk once every 50 hours of gameplay...

thats not innovation, thats a very very very slight convenience, it does nothing to the actual gameplay. You can play the same exact game on the 360 and its identicle, your not going man i really wish this was blue ray so i could do X and Y in this game.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] What did that innovate in gaming, per say? Isn't it essentially just a bigger version of the same? To me, it's like saying the first company to release a 21 inch monitor was innovating beyond the 20 inch monitors that came before it.Shafftehr

Sony is innovative?

Since when?

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="CHRION987"]

blue ray does nothing to improve game experiences besides changing a disk once every 50 hours of gameplay...

CHRION987

thats not innovation, thats a very very very slight convenience, it does nothing to the actual gameplay. You can play the same exact game on the 360 and its identicle, your not going man i really wish this was blue ray so i could do X and Y in this game.

[QUOTE="CHRION987"]

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] And like it or not, it innovated. SpruceCaboose

thats not innovation, thats a very very very slight convenience, it does nothing to the actual gameplay. You can play the same exact game on the 360 and its identicle, your not going man i really wish this was blue ray so i could do X and Y in this game.

this isnt about technology, its about video games. And you didnt respond to my point

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="CHRION987"]

thats not innovation, thats a very very very slight convenience, it does nothing to the actual gameplay. You can play the same exact game on the 360 and its identicle, your not going man i really wish this was blue ray so i could do X and Y in this game.

CHRION987

this isnt about technology, its about video games. And you didnt respond to my point

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] What did that innovate in gaming, per say? Isn't it essentially just a bigger version of the same? To me, it's like saying the first company to release a 21 inch monitor was innovating beyond the 20 inch monitors that came before it.Shafftehr

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] It holds more, it is scratch proof, its HD movie format. Where did TC say it had to be an innovation to gaming?brennan7777

[QUOTE="brennan7777"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Well, if it's not innovative to gaming, then it really doesn't count... Because Blu-Ray itself wasn't innovative in the PS3 - it had appeared elsewhere before the release of the PS3. Unless it innovated something in how the PS3 functioned, it's just putting a drive that appeared somewhere else first into the PS3. And as I already stated, it's really just more of the same... What's more, it's not scratch proof, it's just more scratch resistant than DVDs. HD is just a way of saying more pixels than previous formats. Holds more is... Holding more. None of these are new things - they're just more of the same. Again, not innovative, just improved.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] It holds more, it is scratch proof, its HD movie format. Where did TC say it had to be an innovation to gaming?SpruceCaboose

"to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time:to innovate a computer operating system."

To introduce something new. My argument is that, Blu-ray doesn't introduce anything new, it's just a technology to expand old capacities. No new capabilities are introduced, and rather, old ones are improved upon.

This is all beside the point - if we're not talking about Blu-ray innovating gaming by being in the PS3, it's OBVIOUSLY disqualified, since it was introduced in 2001 - clearly last gen. So, stop with the Blu-ray already, okay?

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] It holds more, it is scratch proof, its HD movie format. Where did TC say it had to be an innovation to gaming?brennan7777

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Well, if it's not innovative to gaming, then it really doesn't count... Because Blu-Ray itself wasn't innovative in the PS3 - it had appeared elsewhere before the release of the PS3. Unless it innovated something in how the PS3 functioned, it's just putting a drive that appeared somewhere else first into the PS3. And as I already stated, it's really just more of the same... What's more, it's not scratch proof, it's just more scratch resistant than DVDs. HD is just a way of saying more pixels than previous formats. Holds more is... Holding more. None of these are new things - they're just more of the same. Again, not innovative, just improved.Shafftehr

"to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time:to innovate a computer operating system."

To introduce something new. My argument is that, Blu-ray doesn't introduce anything new, it's just a technology to expand old capacities. No new capabilities are introduced, and rather, old ones are improved upon.

This is all beside the point - if we're not talking about Blu-ray innovating gaming by being in the PS3, it's OBVIOUSLY disqualified, since it was introduced in 2001 - clearly last gen. So, stop with the Blu-ray already, okay?

Sony invented Blu-Ray (along with Phillips). It was within this generation. Therefore, Sony came up with that innovative product in the timeframe TC said. BTW, it is innovation. Look up the definition of innovation.

SpruceCaboose

"to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time:to innovate a computer operating system."

To introduce something new. My argument is that, Blu-ray doesn't introduce anything new, it's just a technology to expand old capacities. No new capabilities are introduced, and rather, old ones are improved upon.

This is all beside the point - if we're not talking about Blu-ray innovating gaming by being in the PS3, it's OBVIOUSLY disqualified, since it was introduced in 2001 - clearly last gen. So, stop with the Blu-ray already, okay?

Compare to MS or Nintendo... Sony has copied achievements, has jumped on the generic/soldier/FPS genre with Resistance and KZ2, basically did their own Wii mote knockoff, comming out with their own version of mario kart. I would say LBP is innovative but level editors in games has been done before. I primarily use my PS3 as a Blu-ray player which I don't see as an innovation.

fourseamer4

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Blu-Ray. Bash it as you will, but I can argue many ways that it is an improvement. fourseamer4

what's next?

cartridges have done nothing for gaming!

CDs have done nothing for gaming!

DVDs have done nothing for gaming!

:roll:

Blu-ray Disc developers complete specification

Tech ready for licensing as backers unveil players

By Tony Smith in Las Vegas • Get more from this author

Posted in Peripherals, 6th January 2006 17:09 GMT

Free research: Application platforms, the state of play

CES The Blu-ray Disc specification has been completed, the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) announced last night, just three days after dotting the i's and crossing the t's on the format.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/06/blu-ray_spec_done/

[QUOTE="fourseamer4"][QUOTE="Mr_Ditters"]

The ability to install an alternate operating system effectively turning your gaming console into a computer. How about that?

brennan7777

Everyone can.

Besides, why would you want to turn your PS3 in to a "computer."

Built-in WiFi

Gxgear

Blu-ray Disc developers complete specification

Tech ready for licensing as backers unveil players

By Tony Smith in Las Vegas • Get more from this author

Posted in Peripherals, 6th January 2006 17:09 GMT

Free research: Application platforms, the state of play

CES The Blu-ray Disc specification has been completed, the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) announced last night, just three days after dotting the i's and crossing the t's on the format.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/06/blu-ray_spec_done/

SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Blu-ray Disc developers complete specification

Tech ready for licensing as backers unveil players

By Tony Smith in Las Vegas • Get more from this author

Posted in Peripherals, 6th January 2006 17:09 GMT

Free research: Application platforms, the state of play

CES The Blu-ray Disc specification has been completed, the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) announced last night, just three days after dotting the i's and crossing the t's on the format.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/06/blu-ray_spec_done/

Shafftehr

http://www.pcworld.com/article/142584/hd_dvd_vs_bluray_disc_a_history.html

And yes, we count when things launch, not when things are thought up. Do you say the PS3 came out in 2006, or do you say 2000, when work started on it? Come on now, you are stretching real hard by saying we count tech from when it started in development.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

Responding to your edit... Yep, that's the first thing I did when I saw this thread. www.dictionary.com for Innovate.

"verb (used without object)
to introduce something new; make changes in anything established.
Now, that's without object - but we are dealing with an object, so that would be improper in this case. That makes the following the correct one...

"to introduce (something new) for or as if for the first time:to innovate a computer operating system."

To introduce something new. My argument is that, Blu-ray doesn't introduce anything new, it's just a technology to expand old capacities. No new capabilities are introduced, and rather, old ones are improved upon.

This is all beside the point - if we're not talking about Blu-ray innovating gaming by being in the PS3, it's OBVIOUSLY disqualified, since it was introduced in 2001 - clearly last gen. So, stop with the Blu-ray already, okay?

Shafftehr