Naughty Dog Aims to 'Change the F***ing Industry' with The Last of Us

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

have you played uncharted 3? the game scored a 10 at ign and a 9 here, must be a very good movie if it scores so well on a GAME WEBSITE

ChubbyGuy40

MGS4 got a 10 here and a lot of other places, yet it's the shining example of how to sell an interactive movie.

And yes, I do own UC3. Also own UC2.

If naughty dog changes the industry,the change will be for the worse.

must be a great movie if you went out and bought 2 and 3, you could have just "watched" it on youtube you know.

Chris_Williams

Yeah but the bitrate would've been crap. I like having good image quality.

There are already games that focus on delivering a touching and deep story. Silent Hill: Shattered Memories comes to mind. Shattered Memories gets way too little recognition, yet it is one of the best games this generation.

Imagine if all mainstream games were composed by 30% cutscenes, 50% walking around unlocking scripted events and 20% actual gameplay. No thanks. :P

If you want some really interesting, original and promising zombie games look for Dead State and Project Zomboid.

That´s a bold claim!!! But they forgot to say that the game would only be possible on PS3 :o

Change the industry with a zombie shooter. Totally.foxhound_fox

Well Left 4 Dead did! I have yet to see a coop experience that balanced and well implemented.

Imagine if all mainstream games were composed by 30% cutscenes, 50% walking around unlocking scripted events and 20% actual gameplay. No thanks. :P

If you want some really interesting, original and promising zombie games look for Dead State and Project Zomboid.

RyuRanVII

Well that's the thing; most mainstream games ARE like that.

It's pretty scary. I honestly can barely stand the mainstream market today.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Change the industry with a zombie shooter. Totally.PAL360

Well Left 4 Dead did! I have yet to see a coop experience that balanced and well implemented.

Killing Floor is BY FAR the most balanced co-op shooter ever designed. Everything from the mechanics, to gun pricing, to gun damanage to perks, enemy damage, etc.

L4D absolutely pales in comparison

That said L4D is unbelievable awesome, but Killing Floor just absolutely decimates it in terms of balance.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Change the industry with a zombie shooter. Totally.SW__Troll

Well Left 4 Dead did! I have yet to see a coop experience that balanced and well implemented.

Killing Floor is BY FAR the most balanced co-op shooter ever designed. Everything from the mechanics, to gun pricing, to gun damanage to perks, enemy damage, etc.

L4D absolutely pales in comparison

That said L4D is unbelievable awesome, but Killing Floor just absolutely decimates it in terms of balance.

BTW I don't really care for playing the online coop so much and i appreciated the decent friendly AI in L4D. How does it hold together as a single player game?

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[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Well Left 4 Dead did! I have yet to see a coop experience that balanced and well implemented.

ohgeez

Killing Floor is BY FAR the most balanced co-op shooter ever designed. Everything from the mechanics, to gun pricing, to gun damanage to perks, enemy damage, etc.

L4D absolutely pales in comparison

That said L4D is unbelievable awesome, but Killing Floor just absolutely decimates it in terms of balance.

BTW I don't really care for playing the online coop so much and i appreciated the decent friendly AI in L4D. How does it hold together as a single player game?

Killing Floor is a game for friends. If you don't want to play with people then don't bother. There's so much to the difficulty of the game, and having a mix of classes and players to tackle it that playing solo utterly cripples the experience.

It also lacks a lot of modes that L4D has such as a campaign for instance. It's purely survival mode (but it was also never a $50 retail release either).

If you, and a few friends, get in on it during one of their $5 sales, or something, it's a blast. My friends and I have put in upwards of 100 hours into it over our Christmas break away from university it's so addicting (though I already owned it long before they did). I'm on course to have more hours played in Killing Floor than I ever did in L4D1 or 2 (which I played a crapload of).

Wow, lots of 360 fanboys here... :?

I personally think the game will be GOTY easily and will set a new standard. Can't wait for the game!!

Naughty Dog is run by a bunch of arrogant loudmouths it would seem. So far they've done nothing to change the industry and we're supposed to believe that they intend on doing a full 180 from their core design philosophies? Please. :roll:

NeonNinja

And that's why you fail Naughty Dog.

And that's why you fail Naughty Dog.

GiantAssPanda

how did they fail?

This game makes me think of I AM LEGEND.

I suspect it might be quite similar to that actually.

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And that's why you fail Naughty Dog.

Chris_Williams

how did they fail?

By making promises they can't keep. Reminds me of Molyneux.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

[QUOTE="GiantAssPanda"]

And that's why you fail Naughty Dog.

GiantAssPanda

how did they fail?

By making promises they can't keep. Reminds me of Molyneux.

Killing Floor is a game for friends. If you don't want to play with people then don't bother. There's so much to the difficulty of the game, and having a mix of classes and players to tackle it that playing solo utterly cripples the experience.

It also lacks a lot of modes that L4D has such as a campaign for instance. It's purely survival mode (but it was also never a $50 retail release either).

If you, and a few friends, get in on it during one of their $5 sales, or something, it's a blast. My friends and I have put in upwards of 100 hours into it over our Christmas break away from university it's so addicting (though I already owned it long before they did). I'm on course to have more hours played in Killing Floor than I ever did in L4D1 or 2 (which I played a crapload of).

SW__Troll

Naughty dog needs to focus on gameplay and stop trying to make movies. Gamers want to have fun if they want to watch a movie they will watch a movie.Miketheman83

Naughty dog needs to focus on gameplay and stop trying to make movies. Gamers want to have fun if they want to watch a movie they will watch a movie.Miketheman83

Naughty dog needs to focus on gameplay and stop trying to make movies. Gamers want to have fun if they want to watch a movie they will watch a movie.Miketheman83

Wut? :shock:

Did you forget about Uncharted? It has one of the best gameplays people has ever seen.

Don't be so gullible...

McFly :P

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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"]

how did they fail?

Chris_Williams

By making promises they can't keep. Reminds me of Molyneux.

By stating stupid s*it like "we're gonna change the whole industry with our game". People then have extremely high expectations for the game which simply means the game can't possibly meet them.

Like I said, sounds just like Molyneux before every new Fable game.

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="GiantAssPanda"]

By making promises they can't keep. Reminds me of Molyneux.

GiantAssPanda

By stating stupid s*it like "we're gonna change the whole industry with our game". People then have extremely high expectations for the game which ultimately simply can't meet them.

Like I said, sounds just like Molyneux before every new Fable game.

[QUOTE="SW__Troll"]

Killing Floor is a game for friends. If you don't want to play with people then don't bother. There's so much to the difficulty of the game, and having a mix of classes and players to tackle it that playing solo utterly cripples the experience.

It also lacks a lot of modes that L4D has such as a campaign for instance. It's purely survival mode (but it was also never a $50 retail release either).

If you, and a few friends, get in on it during one of their $5 sales, or something, it's a blast. My friends and I have put in upwards of 100 hours into it over our Christmas break away from university it's so addicting (though I already owned it long before they did). I'm on course to have more hours played in Killing Floor than I ever did in L4D1 or 2 (which I played a crapload of).

ohgeez

Playing with randoms is how you make new gaming friends.

People are misinterpreting what is being said, I think. ND are simply saying that they now know that their storytelling rivals that of most films/indie films/etc. They have got to be the most all-around talented team out there at the moment.

It's good to see the cow hype machine is still in full effect. :)

It's good to see the cow hype machine is still in full effect. :)

DireOwl

Rightfully so, though. You have Naughty Dog stating they want to do something phenomenal that throws the industry on its heels. Generally that would come across as a "so what" statement, but when you take into account that when Uncharted 3 was nearing release they said not to expect much of a difference, that is saying something.

[QUOTE="DireOwl"]

It's good to see the cow hype machine is still in full effect. :)

Heirren

Rightfully so, though. You have Naughty Dog stating they want to do something phenomenal that throws the industry on its heels. Generally that would come across as a "so what" statement, but when you take into account that when Uncharted 3 was nearing release they said not to expect much of a difference, that is saying something.

Naughty Dog has come a long way from that small development team who made Crash Bandicoot back in the 90's.

Every time I look at the new, pretentious Naughty Dog and its rabid fanboys...it's too bad.

I really, really liked playing Crash back in the day...back when Naughty Dog only cared about fun gameplay.

Change the industry by showing us I Am Legend the game staring Ellen Page. Okay. Story is the least important aspect of gaming. Haziqonfire

It is, but Uncharted was incredibly fun to play as well. When they say "change" it is dealing more with the storytelling than what the story is about. There's a big difference. A lot of games have decent stories, but the way in which they are told is very ancient.

People are misinterpreting what is being said, I think. ND are simply saying that they now know that their storytelling rivals that of most films/indie films/etc. They have got to be the most all-around talented team out there at the moment.

Heirren

What movies are you watching where games like Uncharted come anywhere close to them?

So I guess I can quit listening to cows who claim they already did that will their Dude Raider clone. I like ND and they are most certainly one of the top 10 dev teams in the industry. But they have never did anything that tells me they could change the industry. And them claiming they will and are sick of other developers work comes across as dickish.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

People are misinterpreting what is being said, I think. ND are simply saying that they now know that their storytelling rivals that of most films/indie films/etc. They have got to be the most all-around talented team out there at the moment.

SW__Troll

What movies are you watching where games like Uncharted come anywhere close to them?

Anything from Sound of My Voice to Bellflower to big budget hollywoodesque pictures. Why do you ask?

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Change the industry by showing us I Am Legend the game staring Ellen Page. Okay. Story is the least important aspect of gaming. Heirren

It is, but Uncharted was incredibly fun to play as well. When they say "change" it is dealing more with the storytelling than what the story is about. There's a big difference. A lot of games have decent stories, but the way in which they are told is very ancient.

[QUOTE="Miketheman83"]Naughty dog needs to focus on gameplay and stop trying to make movies. Gamers want to have fun if they want to watch a movie they will watch a movie.GaMeR_Willz

Wut? :shock:

Did you forget about Uncharted? It has one of the best gameplays people has ever seen.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]Change the industry by showing us I Am Legend the game staring Ellen Page. Okay. Story is the least important aspect of gaming. Haziqonfire

It is, but Uncharted was incredibly fun to play as well. When they say "change" it is dealing more with the storytelling than what the story is about. There's a big difference. A lot of games have decent stories, but the way in which they are told is very ancient.

Well you may be surprised but I actually agree with you. However, I don't think I'm reading the statement the same way you are. See, before even playing Uncharted 2 I've heard complaints that it was just an interactive movie. When I did eventually play it, there were moments when I believed it WAS a movie--in the sense that control was taken away--but then I realized, "oh, wait. I'm PLAYING this?!"

So that was step one perhaps. If you look at what happened from Uncharted to Uncharted2/3, there was a big leap in terms of interaction/etc. Now when I read the statement in the thread title, I think to myself, "well, they want to take it one more huge step forward."

Again, I understand what you were saying, but one must think that that format is based on dated technology design. Whether or not it is ones preference doesn't matter. The bottom line is that technology is moving fast and allows for new ways of interaction today.

Well you may be surprised but I actually agree with you. However, I don't think I'm reading the statement the same way you are. See, before even playing Uncharted 2 I've heard complaints that it was just an interactive movie. When I did eventually play it, there were moments when I believed it WAS a movie--in the sense that control was taken away--but then I realized, "oh, wait. I'm PLAYING this?!"

So that was step one perhaps. If you look at what happened from Uncharted to Uncharted2/3, there was a big leap in terms of interaction/etc. Now when I read the statement in the thread title, I think to myself, "well, they want to take it one more huge step forward."

Again, I understand what you were saying, but one must think that that format is based on dated technology design. Whether or not it is ones preference doesn't matter. The bottom line is that technology is moving fast and allows for new ways of interaction today.

Heirren

Both types of those experiences will always be offered, I just think ND is letting this get to their head a bit too much. They've created a really cinematic game but a lot of other games have done it as well.

ND's just looks more like how movies do it instead of trying to do it specific to the medium. That's fine and a lot of people will enjoy that -- I don't really care for it.