need your mod source pls.taken on a $50 graphics card.
Silenthps
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[QUOTE="djsifer01"]I thought the cell was just PR bs? looks like its powerful after all folks.MeltedweaselThe Cell isn't even as strong as the average cpu in pcs. This. the cell gets beaten by a stock E2180 for cryin out loud also @ the other guy, YOU know nothing of CPU's, if you did you would know the cell has a pitiful memory controller that is worthy of a pentium 3, it's cores are worse than netburst architecture ones, and its multithreading is horrible
[QUOTE="Meltedweasel"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]I thought the cell was just PR bs? looks like its powerful after all folks.GTR2addictThe Cell isn't even as strong as the average cpu in pcs. This. the cell gets beaten by a stock E2180 for cryin out loud also @ the other guy, YOU know nothing of CPU's, if you did you would know the cell has a pitiful memory controller that is worthy of a pentium 3, it's cores are worse than netburst architecture ones, and its multithreading is horrible
ubt teh cel haz 8 corz and 240gflpso lololz
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
[QUOTE="skyform"]
Now look at this
skyform
now look at this
taken on a $50 graphics card.
I know how does Crysis look like, my bro played both throught at max settings and i waatched him playing sometimes, but Uncharted 2 looks awesome, it's really sad when some people can't admit it, it really does not look that much worse then Crisys, the graphics of U2 are the closest of all games to Crysis, it's really impressive looking for a console game.
Wrong. STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl, Clear Sky, World in Conflict, Cryostasis, ARMA II, all look far better than uncharted 2 and are all PC exclusivesThis. the cell gets beaten by a stock E2180 for cryin out loud also @ the other guy, YOU know nothing of CPU's, if you did you would know the cell has a pitiful memory controller that is worthy of a pentium 3, it's cores are worse than netburst architecture ones, and its multithreading is horrible[QUOTE="GTR2addict"][QUOTE="Meltedweasel"] The Cell isn't even as strong as the average cpu in pcs.Hanass
ubt teh cel haz 8 corz and 240gflpso lololz
Raw processing power =/= useful processing power. just because it can process 240 gflops it doesn't mean it does. also, my puny radeon HD 4850 alone processes over 650 gflops, and the new 5870 is well over 1.4 teraflops[QUOTE="skyform"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]
now look at this
taken on a $50 graphics card.
GTR2addict
I know how does Crysis look like, my bro played both throught at max settings and i waatched him playing sometimes, but Uncharted 2 looks awesome, it's really sad when some people can't admit it, it really does not look that much worse then Crisys, the graphics of U2 are the closest of all games to Crysis, it's really impressive looking for a console game.
Wrong. STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl, Clear Sky, World in Conflict, Cryostasis, ARMA II, all look far better than uncharted 2 and are all PC exclusives Stalker...maybe with the right mods. No way for the rest. I have them all but Cryostasis, and I've seen videos of that.[QUOTE="Hanass"][QUOTE="GTR2addict"] This. the cell gets beaten by a stock E2180 for cryin out loud also @ the other guy, YOU know nothing of CPU's, if you did you would know the cell has a pitiful memory controller that is worthy of a pentium 3, it's cores are worse than netburst architecture ones, and its multithreading is horribleGTR2addict
ubt teh cel haz 8 corz and 240gflpso lololz
Raw processing power =/= useful processing power. just because it can process 240 gflops it doesn't mean it does. also, my puny radeon HD 4850 alone processes over 650 gflops, and the new 5870 is well over 1.4 teraflopsYou suck at detecting sarcasm
Uhhh ok? Think about it this way. The PS3 doesn't need a cpu as strong as the computer because it's not running any programs or utilities and whatnot. PCs need strong cpus because of that reason. Do you even know what a cpu is for?[QUOTE="Meltedweasel"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]Obviously you dont know much about processors, so i wont argue with you.OneLazyAsian
Okay...do you even know what you're talking about? Just because the GPU can't keep up with the CPU doesn't mean the CPU is now officially weak. That's like saying my 2.8 GHz Quad Core is weak cause I got an 8400 GS in it. :roll:
Lol putting words in my mouth. When did I say the GPU can't keep up with the Cell? The Cell is a pitiful cpu that wouldn't even be considered in low-end pcs. The Cell is just a dumbed down cpu that's all. Maybe good for media, but in terms of raw power...get real.Raw processing power =/= useful processing power. just because it can process 240 gflops it doesn't mean it does. also, my puny radeon HD 4850 alone processes over 650 gflops, and the new 5870 is well over 1.4 teraflops[QUOTE="GTR2addict"][QUOTE="Hanass"]
ubt teh cel haz 8 corz and 240gflpso lololz
Hanass
You suck at detecting sarcasm
i know it was sarcasm, i just wanted to post some facts before anyone came with actual crap[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
[QUOTE="skyform"]
Now look at this
skyform
now look at this
taken on a $50 graphics card.
I know how does Crysis look like, my bro played both throught at max settings and i waatched him playing sometimes, but Uncharted 2 looks awesome, it's really sad when some people can't admit it, it really does not look that much worse then Crisys, the graphics of U2 are the closest of all games to Crysis, it's really impressive looking for a console game.
It is impressive for a console, but youre wasting your time with pc fanboys, just because they spent thousands on building thier rigs they think it justifies thier looking down on everyone else, whats funny is that U2 is getting universal recognition for its graphics whilst crysis was some what over looked by the media. actually yeah it would piss me off too:evil: go on pc fanboys get these dirty console peasants!!![QUOTE="skyform"]
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
now look at this
taken on a $50 graphics card.
Zaibach
I know how does Crysis look like, my bro played both throught at max settings and i waatched him playing sometimes, but Uncharted 2 looks awesome, it's really sad when some people can't admit it, it really does not look that much worse then Crisys, the graphics of U2 are the closest of all games to Crysis, it's really impressive looking for a console game.
It is impressive for a console, but youre wasting your time with pc fanboys, just because they spent thousands on building thier rigs they think it justifies thier looking down on everyone else, whats funny is that U2 is getting universal recognition for its graphics whilst crysis was some what over looked by the media. actually yeah it would piss me off too:evil: go on pc fanboys get these dirty console peasants!!! Actually it does justify it. PCs are the most powerful, therefore PC users get to look down on all others. Its pretty simple really.[QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"][QUOTE="Meltedweasel"] Uhhh ok? Think about it this way. The PS3 doesn't need a cpu as strong as the computer because it's not running any programs or utilities and whatnot. PCs need strong cpus because of that reason. Do you even know what a cpu is for?Meltedweasel
Okay...do you even know what you're talking about? Just because the GPU can't keep up with the CPU doesn't mean the CPU is now officially weak. That's like saying my 2.8 GHz Quad Core is weak cause I got an 8400 GS in it. :roll:
Lol putting words in my mouth. When did I say the GPU can't keep up with the Cell? The Cell is a pitiful cpu that wouldn't even be considered in low-end pcs. The Cell is just a dumbed down cpu that's all. Maybe good for media, but in terms of raw power...get real.Isnt it interesting that the "measly Cell" and the "weaksauce 7900GT" still somehow make games that since Uncharted 1 have been beating evreyone of your Xbox 360 exclusives in graphics?
Interesting...
And i wasnt eaven that surprised by the numbers since Uncharted 2 is a very character driven game, so highly detailed characters were a must...
[QUOTE="skyform"]
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]
now look at this
taken on a $50 graphics card.
Zaibach
I know how does Crysis look like, my bro played both throught at max settings and i waatched him playing sometimes, but Uncharted 2 looks awesome, it's really sad when some people can't admit it, it really does not look that much worse then Crisys, the graphics of U2 are the closest of all games to Crysis, it's really impressive looking for a console game.
It is impressive for a console, but youre wasting your time with pc fanboys, just because they spent thousands on building thier rigs they think it justifies thier looking down on everyone else, whats funny is that U2 is getting universal recognition for its graphics whilst crysis was some what over looked by the media. actually yeah it would piss me off too:evil: go on pc fanboys get these dirty console peasants!!!Reverse the roles in your post, and you've got the truth instead of mindless hypocritical console fanboy drivel. It's okay go keep going after Crysis, you know, but what really sucks is that you people try to blame it on PC gamers. If you need proof look no further than this thread; mindless cows bashing the PC.
"PC fanboys are looking down on you"? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I'm sorry to sound a bit rude here, but is that the only thing you trolls can come with to hide your hypocrisy? 99.999999999999999999% of graphics threads are made by rabid cows (like this one) trying to compare your new PS3 exclusive to a 2 year old game. Seriously, did Crytek kill your parents when you were young?
Lol putting words in my mouth. When did I say the GPU can't keep up with the Cell? The Cell is a pitiful cpu that wouldn't even be considered in low-end pcs. The Cell is just a dumbed down cpu that's all. Maybe good for media, but in terms of raw power...get real.[QUOTE="Meltedweasel"][QUOTE="OneLazyAsian"]
Okay...do you even know what you're talking about? Just because the GPU can't keep up with the CPU doesn't mean the CPU is now officially weak. That's like saying my 2.8 GHz Quad Core is weak cause I got an 8400 GS in it. :roll:
chaplainDMK
Isnt it interesting that the "measly Cell" and the "weaksauce 7900GT" still somehow make games that since Uncharted 1 have been beating evreyone of your Xbox 360 exclusives in graphics?
Interesting...
And i wasnt eaven that surprised by the numbers since Uncharted 2 is a very character driven game, so highly detailed characters were a must...
That's not interesting. Just means the devs spent a lot of time for attention to detail. The only thing holding the 360 back is the DVD9.Taken directly from my PS3:
Don't get me wrong. It looks good, but if this is the best you can do with 80,000 Polys then Naughty Dog is doing something wrong.
[QUOTE="Shattered007"]
Taken directly from my PS3:
Don't get me wrong. It looks good, but if this is the best you can do with 80,000 Polys then Naughty Dog is doing something wrong.
These are multiplayer shots. ND said multiplayer was dumbed down graphically. They are also Cinema Mode with visual tweaks and +AA.Were you here when I posted these?
AA doesn't add polygons. Multiplayer character models have been dumbed down, these are single player ones. Which would make sense because the single player places a lot more emphasise of characters and character development while multiplayer is more action oriented.
[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"][QUOTE="Meltedweasel"] Lol putting words in my mouth. When did I say the GPU can't keep up with the Cell? The Cell is a pitiful cpu that wouldn't even be considered in low-end pcs. The Cell is just a dumbed down cpu that's all. Maybe good for media, but in terms of raw power...get real. Meltedweasel
Isnt it interesting that the "measly Cell" and the "weaksauce 7900GT" still somehow make games that since Uncharted 1 have been beating evreyone of your Xbox 360 exclusives in graphics?
Interesting...
And i wasnt eaven that surprised by the numbers since Uncharted 2 is a very character driven game, so highly detailed characters were a must...
That's not interesting. Just means the devs spent a lot of time for attention to detail. The only thing holding the 360 back is the DVD9.Yes actualy it is Interesting. Your comparing the PS3 to a computer from 2001. Yet that PC from 2001 somehow gets games that get universal graphics praise...
And btw, its not just the DVD9. You also dont have HDD as standard. ND said that Blu-Ray and HDD as standard is what allows them to make U2.
Were you here when I posted these?
AA doesn't add polygons. Multiplayer character models have been dumbed down, these are single player ones. Which would make sense because the single player places a lot more emphasise of characters and character development while multiplayer is more action oriented.
In game assets don't mean in-game models either. You know those models don't look like that in-game:[QUOTE="urdead18"]In game assets don't mean in-game models either. You know those models don't look like that in-game: I'd say you're kidding yourself if you believe any of those pictures you posted were when you are actually play the game but I'd be modded for trolling for suggesting you were kidding youself.Were you here when I posted these?
AA doesn't add polygons. Multiplayer character models have been dumbed down, these are single player ones. Which would make sense because the single player places a lot more emphasise of characters and character development while multiplayer is more action oriented.
Shattered007
Those two pictures look worlds better than the ones you posted earlier.
And since the first Uncharted used the same character models in game as in cutscenes, I assumed the second would do the same.
[QUOTE="Silenthps"]need your mod source pls. http://crymod.com/filebase.php?fileid=763&sid=2db66036c8d59c0f31ae9a2e40cc50de http://downloads.guru3d.com/Real-Lifesis-Crysis-Mod-download-2253.html http://www.mycrysis.com/filebase.php?fileid=2100 I think its either mixture 2 of these or all 3. haven't changed it in a while >.>taken on a $50 graphics card.
muscleserge
[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]need your mod source pls. http://crymod.com/filebase.php?fileid=763&sid=2db66036c8d59c0f31ae9a2e40cc50de http://downloads.guru3d.com/Real-Lifesis-Crysis-Mod-download-2253.html http://www.mycrysis.com/filebase.php?fileid=2100 I think its either mixture 2 of these or all 3. haven't changed it in a while >.> What video card is it and what sort of FPS are you getting?taken on a $50 graphics card.
Silenthps
In game assets don't mean in-game models either. You know those models don't look like that in-game: I'd say you're kidding yourself if you believe any of those pictures you posted were when you are actually play the game but I'd be modded for trolling for suggesting you were kidding youself.[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="urdead18"]
Were you here when I posted these?
AA doesn't add polygons. Multiplayer character models have been dumbed down, these are single player ones. Which would make sense because the single player places a lot more emphasise of characters and character development while multiplayer is more action oriented.
urdead18
Those two pictures look worlds better than the ones you posted earlier.
And since the first Uncharted used the same character models in game as in cutscenes, I assumed the second would do the same.
Yeah, theses look like 2 different games :roll:[QUOTE="urdead18"]
[QUOTE="Shattered007"] In game assets don't mean in-game models either. You know those models don't look like that in-game: I'd say you're kidding yourself if you believe any of those pictures you posted were when you are actually play the game but I'd be modded for trolling for suggesting you were kidding youself.Shattered007
Those two pictures look worlds better than the ones you posted earlier.
And since the first Uncharted used the same character models in game as in cutscenes, I assumed the second would do the same.
Yeah, theses look like 2 different games :roll: Try not to put words in my mouth.Anyways, I gotta go.
Yeah, theses look like 2 different games :roll:Try not to put words in my mouth.[QUOTE="Shattered007"]
[QUOTE="urdead18"]
Those two pictures look worlds better than the ones you posted earlier.
And since the first Uncharted used the same character models in game as in cutscenes, I assumed the second would do the same.
urdead18
Anyways, I gotta go.
You right, I mean. Look at them... They looks sooooo different...Dude Naughty Dog and Unchated 2 doesn't need this. It already a good looking game without bullshots. Why act like the game looks like those pictures you posted when you know it doesn't? We've seen demos, betas and early gameplay footage. None of them look like the pictures you posted. Now if Uncharted 2 really has 80,000 per model then somthing is wrong...or maybe they are counting the renderd models in those cut-scenes that you posted pictures of.
Either way. it doesn't look 8x better than MGS4 or 9 times better than GEoW or 6 times better than GOW3.
It is impressive for a console, but youre wasting your time with pc fanboys, just because they spent thousands on building thier rigs they think it justifies thier looking down on everyone else, whats funny is that U2 is getting universal recognition for its graphics whilst crysis was some what over looked by the media. actually yeah it would piss me off too:evil: go on pc fanboys get these dirty console peasants!!![QUOTE="Zaibach"]
[QUOTE="skyform"]
I know how does Crysis look like, my bro played both throught at max settings and i waatched him playing sometimes, but Uncharted 2 looks awesome, it's really sad when some people can't admit it, it really does not look that much worse then Crisys, the graphics of U2 are the closest of all games to Crysis, it's really impressive looking for a console game.
Hanass
Reverse the roles in your post, and you've got the truth instead of mindless hypocritical console fanboy drivel. It's okay go keep going after Crysis, you know, but what really sucks is that you people try to blame it on PC gamers. If you need proof look no further than this thread; mindless cows bashing the PC.
"PC fanboys are looking down on you"? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I'm sorry to sound a bit rude here, but is that the only thing you trolls can come with to hide your hypocrisy? 99.999999999999999999% of graphics threads are made by rabid cows (like this one) trying to compare your new PS3 exclusive to a 2 year old game. Seriously, did Crytek kill your parents when you were young?
That is a wonderful rant, it in no way addressess anything i said. I was addressing and agreeing with what was said in the post i was quoting I dont see how that is trolling but i guess your opinion is more important than mine. and the fact that you would spring into a knee jerk reaction of name calling shows who the real troll is.I've been in enough real life situations to know when someone is being condescending, so have fun feeling superior with cheap shots
I've never said a bad word about crysis, my friend has a gaming pc, gave it a whirl it was awesome, i give credit where its due, it seems that some people arent capable of the same.
peace out have fun dude and God bless
Try not to put words in my mouth.[QUOTE="urdead18"]
[QUOTE="Shattered007"] Yeah, theses look like 2 different games :roll:
Shattered007
Anyways, I gotta go.
You right, I mean. Look at them... They looks sooooo different...Dude Naughty Dog and Unchated 2 doesn't need this. It already a good looking game without bullshots. Why act like the game looks like those pictures you posted when you know it doesn't? We've seen demos, betas and early gameplay footage. None of them look like the pictures you posted. Now if Uncharted 2 really has 80,000 per model then somthing is wrong...or maybe they are counting the renderd models in those cut-scenes that you posted pictures of.
Either way. it doesn't look 8x better than MGS4 or 9 times better than GEoW or 6 times better than GOW3.
The screens I posted weren't bullshots, they were from cutscenes.[QUOTE="urdead18"] Try not to put words in my mouth.
Anyways, I gotta go.
You right, I mean. Look at them... They looks sooooo different...Dude Naughty Dog and Unchated 2 doesn't need this. It already a good looking game without bullshots. Why act like the game looks like those pictures you posted when you know it doesn't? We've seen demos, betas and early gameplay footage. None of them look like the pictures you posted. Now if Uncharted 2 really has 80,000 per model then somthing is wrong...or maybe they are counting the renderd models in those cut-scenes that you posted pictures of.
Either way. it doesn't look 8x better than MGS4 or 9 times better than GEoW or 6 times better than GOW3.
The screens I posted weren't bullshots, they were from cutscenes. Do you agree that the cutscene=/=Gameplay?[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]need your mod source pls. http://crymod.com/filebase.php?fileid=763&sid=2db66036c8d59c0f31ae9a2e40cc50de http://downloads.guru3d.com/Real-Lifesis-Crysis-Mod-download-2253.html http://www.mycrysis.com/filebase.php?fileid=2100 I think its either mixture 2 of these or all 3. haven't changed it in a while >.>taken on a $50 graphics card.
Silenthps
Real Lifesis is the best mod ever.
[QUOTE="Hanass"]
[QUOTE="Zaibach"]It is impressive for a console, but youre wasting your time with pc fanboys, just because they spent thousands on building thier rigs they think it justifies thier looking down on everyone else, whats funny is that U2 is getting universal recognition for its graphics whilst crysis was some what over looked by the media. actually yeah it would piss me off too:evil: go on pc fanboys get these dirty console peasants!!!
Zaibach
Reverse the roles in your post, and you've got the truth instead of mindless hypocritical console fanboy drivel. It's okay go keep going after Crysis, you know, but what really sucks is that you people try to blame it on PC gamers. If you need proof look no further than this thread; mindless cows bashing the PC.
"PC fanboys are looking down on you"? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I'm sorry to sound a bit rude here, but is that the only thing you trolls can come with to hide your hypocrisy? 99.999999999999999999% of graphics threads are made by rabid cows (like this one) trying to compare your new PS3 exclusive to a 2 year old game. Seriously, did Crytek kill your parents when you were young?
That is a wonderful rant, it in no way addressess anything i said. I was addressing and agreeing with what was said in the post i was quoting I dont see how that is trolling but i guess your opinion is more important than mine. and the fact that you would spring into a knee jerk reaction of name calling shows who the real troll is.I've been in enough real life situations to know when someone is being condescending, so have fun feeling superior with cheap shots
I've never said a bad word about crysis, my friend has a gaming pc, gave it a whirl it was awesome, i give credit where its due, it seems that some people arent capable of the same.
peace out have fun dude and God bless
This is what I call "true arrogance". Man, I've never seen such badly hidden hypocrisy. You clearly should look in the mirror if you think that PC gamers are elitist.
That is a wonderful rant, it in no way addressess anything i said. I was addressing and agreeing with what was said in the post i was quoting I dont see how that is trolling but i guess your opinion is more important than mine. and the fact that you would spring into a knee jerk reaction of name calling shows who the real troll is.[QUOTE="Zaibach"]
[QUOTE="Hanass"]
Reverse the roles in your post, and you've got the truth instead of mindless hypocritical console fanboy drivel. It's okay go keep going after Crysis, you know, but what really sucks is that you people try to blame it on PC gamers. If you need proof look no further than this thread; mindless cows bashing the PC.
"PC fanboys are looking down on you"? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I'm sorry to sound a bit rude here, but is that the only thing you trolls can come with to hide your hypocrisy? 99.999999999999999999% of graphics threads are made by rabid cows (like this one) trying to compare your new PS3 exclusive to a 2 year old game. Seriously, did Crytek kill your parents when you were young?
Hanass
I've been in enough real life situations to know when someone is being condescending, so have fun feeling superior with cheap shots
I've never said a bad word about crysis, my friend has a gaming pc, gave it a whirl it was awesome, i give credit where its due, it seems that some people arent capable of the same.
peace out have fun dude and God bless
This is what I call "true arrogance". Man, I've never seen such badly hidden hypocrisy. You clearly should look in the mirror if you think that PC gamers are elitist.
Keep up the name calling, youre looking better and better (sarcasm) thus proving my pointKeep up the name calling, youre looking better and better (sarcasm) thus proving my point[QUOTE="Zaibach"]
[QUOTE="Hanass"]
This is what I call "true arrogance". Man, I've never seen such badly hidden hypocrisy. You clearly should look in the mirror if you think that PC gamers are elitist.
Hanass
Back at you, mate. And "arrogant" isn't an insult because it's true. But didn't you say that you weren't coming back? ("peace out, dude") I guess your ego can't take being taunted, heh? :P
hmm i guess youre right:)youre alright hanass,
[QUOTE="Hanass"]
[QUOTE="Zaibach"]Keep up the name calling, youre looking better and better (sarcasm) thus proving my point
Zaibach
Back at you, mate. And "arrogant" isn't an insult because it's true. But didn't you say that you weren't coming back? ("peace out, dude") I guess your ego can't take being taunted, heh? :P
hmm i guess youre right:)youre alright hanass,
Ok, so we're done? Good, that was underwhelming as hell.
Remember that there are two different teams that made Uncharted 2. One for MP and one for SP. They have probably lowered the polygons for the MP. Remember that in the first Uncharted they used the same character models for gameplay and cutscenes, so I doubt they have changed that in UC2.
hmm i guess youre right:)[QUOTE="Zaibach"]
[QUOTE="Hanass"]
Back at you, mate. And "arrogant" isn't an insult because it's true. But didn't you say that you weren't coming back? ("peace out, dude") I guess your ego can't take being taunted, heh? :P
Hanass
youre alright hanass,
Ok, so we're done? Good, that was underwhelming as hell.
What was underwhelming??, you need to be more clearhttp://crymod.com/filebase.php?fileid=763&sid=2db66036c8d59c0f31ae9a2e40cc50de http://downloads.guru3d.com/Real-Lifesis-Crysis-Mod-download-2253.html http://www.mycrysis.com/filebase.php?fileid=2100 I think its either mixture 2 of these or all 3. haven't changed it in a while >.>[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="muscleserge"] need your mod source pls.Hanass
Real Lifesis is the best mod ever.
hell no it isn't. Slightly_Skewed's configs and ToD mods arePlease Log In to post.
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