New Halo Reach Info.. Graphics engine not new.. Just modified Halo 3 engine

http://www.relyonhorror.com/content/new-haloreach-facts-gamepro "Halo: Reach's graphic engine is NOT new. It is a heavily modified Halo 3 engine" sorry my browser wont let me link.. Hmm looks like this is not a new engine afterall but just a "modified" Halo 3 engine, guess the 360 is maxed out afterall.

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It's been said many times already...that EVERYTHING has been modified. Eh, I'll wait and see.

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

DropTarget

OMG Bungie isn't makin teh grafix king!!! 360 is teh maxedd!!!

Seriously? Bungie is known for not making great graphics(they, of course, make great gameplay). Just because Bungie is using a highly modded Proprietary Halo Engine doesn't mean the 360 is maxed.

I wouldn't called the 360 maxed out, they could of made a new engine if they really wanted to but why would they spend money and resources on making a new engine that only runs on 360 if there most likely going multiplat after Halo Reach ...... one more thing .... Kenny, get your browser fixed or use another one. :PNonstop-Madness

Reach still looks pretty so far, so i don't really care.

Everything that was on there was already stuff we had heard from Game Informer. Right? I could be talking out of my rear side here. Anyway, as far as the graphics thing goes, I feel like it would be illogical for Bungie to reuse that same engine for the 3rd time. We'll see just how modified it is come beta time.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]I wouldn't called the 360 maxed out, they could of made a new engine if they really wanted to but why would they spend money and resources on making a new engine that only runs on 360 if there most likely going multiplat after Halo Reach ...... one more thing .... Kenny, get your browser fixed or use another one. :PKennysolidsnake

The game still looks great :|.

Halo Reach, will look great, regardless if It's a modded Halo 3 engine or a new engine from the ground up.

OMG Bungie isn't makin teh grafix king!!! 360 is teh maxedd!!!

Seriously? Bungie is known for not making great graphics(they, of course, make great gameplay). Just because Bungie is using a highly modded Proprietary Halo Engine doesn't mean the 360 is maxed.

Phoenix534

Isn't Halo 3 engine just updated from Halo 2 and that updated from Halo: CE?

Like they have never changed engines?

Halo 3 had a great framerate, huge environments, great explosions and effects, TONS of tech going on at the same time, and it is all constantly being recorded, however this results in low texture quality among other things.

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

OMG Bungie isn't makin teh grafix king!!! 360 is teh maxedd!!!

Seriously? Bungie is known for not making great graphics(they, of course, make great gameplay). Just because Bungie is using a highly modded Proprietary Halo Engine doesn't mean the 360 is maxed.

Kennysolidsnake

So, in a nutshell, you're saying Bungie is overrated because they don't try to make graphics kings?

As long as the sweet as candy pie game-play is intact, I'm all good and besides TBH, I kinda diggin the new visuals..

:P

Isn't Halo 3 engine just updated from Halo 2 and that updated from Halo: CE?

Like they have never changed engines?

Halo 3 had a great framerate, huge environments, great explosions and effects, TONS of tech going on at the same time, and it is all constantly being recorded, however this results in low texture quality among other things.

thedude-

Pretty much. They've been using the Proprietary Halo Engine since Halo's development began as an RTS.

If people don't understand how graphics engines work they shouldn't post about them. Why would anyone believe that a modified engine won't look much better then previous versions? The Witcher used a modified Aurora engine used in NWN2, but looked much better. ME2 uses the same engine as ME1, but not only looks better, it has a better framerate as well. Without knowing how heavily the engine has been modified it's pointless to speculate how good the game will actually look until somebody gets some hands-on time with the game.

It's maxed out with Gears 2 since Halo Reach uses a modded Halo 3 engine? What if a 360 multiplat looks better than Gears 2, then what?

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]I wouldn't called the 360 maxed out, they could of made a new engine if they really wanted to but why would they spend money and resources on making a new engine that only runs on 360 if there most likely going multiplat after Halo Reach ...... one more thing .... Kenny, get your browser fixed or use another one. :PKennysolidsnake

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

OMG Bungie isn't makin teh grafix king!!! 360 is teh maxedd!!!

Seriously? Bungie is known for not making great graphics(they, of course, make great gameplay). Just because Bungie is using a highly modded Proprietary Halo Engine doesn't mean the 360 is maxed.

Phoenix534

So, in a nutshell, you're saying Bungie is overrated because they don't try to make graphics kings?

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

DropTarget

u_u Yeah yeah...D: Halo about teh gameplay!!!11!!1 If that were true then everyone wouldn't have been defending Halo 3's graphics after every batch of new screens going on saying, "But there's time left! They'll improve!!!" nor would everyone have been all hyped for Reach's graphics saying "OMG ya'll! New engine! Reach gonna show you cows 360 aint tapped out!". Everyone likes eye candy, and the engine just seems dated.

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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] hence why Bungie is extremely overrated as devs.. they have had one monster hit of a game with the Halo franchise, they release Halo 3 which practically looks just as good as Halo 3 maybe a tiny bit better, Bungie doesnt seem to know how to develop a graphics engine to be on par with that of games like Gears Of War 3, U2 and even MW2, they stick with the original Xbox engine and just "heavily modify it" the 360 isnt hard to develop for, dont know why Bungie just doesnt take the time and make a new graphics engine.. I mean this is Halo we are talking about, they made hundreds of millions in profits on Halo 3 and yet dont put the money and effort into making a graphics engine that can hang with the best games today.Kennysolidsnake

So, in a nutshell, you're saying Bungie is overrated because they don't try to make graphics kings?

Words can't describe how shallow and fanboyish that sounds.

Absolutly, that and they have only had one monster hit franchise. Look Bungie has a game like Halo which is huge and possibly one of the biggest name games in video game history and they dont push themselves to make the graphics engine better.. If Bungie where good devs they would be looking to grow as devs and make the best graphics engine possible especially considering the butt load of money they made on the Halo franchise. That would be almost as equal to James Cameron releasing avatar and still using the same type of special effects found in Terminator 2..Kennysolidsnake

wow you don't think they've kept the code that allows it to run on x360? EVERYTHING has been changed, think COD4 to MW2 they use the quake 2 or 3 engine, both ancient.

soooo...when it comes to Halo, graphics suddenly don't matter? LOL. Reach is a mod of Halo 3 engine, which was a mod of Halo 2 engine, which was a...yeah.

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

So, in a nutshell, you're saying Bungie is overrated because they don't try to make graphics kings?

Phoenix534

Words can't describe how shallow and fanboyish that sounds.

http://www.relyonhorror.com/content/new-haloreach-facts-gamepro "Halo: Reach's graphic engine is NOT new. It is a heavily modified Halo 3 engine" sorry my browser wont let me link.. Hmm looks like this is not a new engine afterall but just a "modified" Halo 3 engine, guess the 360 is maxed out afterall.

Kennysolidsnake

Absolutly, that and they have only had one monster hit franchise. Look Bungie has a game like Halo which is huge and possibly one of the biggest name games in video game history and they dont push themselves to make the graphics engine better..If Bungie where good devs they would be looking to grow as devs and make the best graphics engine possible especially considering the butt load of money they made on the Halo franchise. That would be almost as equal to James Cameron releasing avatar and still using the same type of special effects found in Terminator 2..Kennysolidsnake

Blizzard and Valve are two of the biggest (if not the biggest) devs ever.

None of them produce or try to produce graphics kings.

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] Absolutly, that and they have only had one monster hit franchise. Look Bungie has a game like Halo which is huge and possibly one of the biggest name games in video game history and they dont push themselves to make the graphics engine better.. If Bungie where good devs they would be looking to grow as devs and make the best graphics engine possible especially considering the butt load of money they made on the Halo franchise. That would be almost as equal to James Cameron releasing avatar and still using the same type of special effects found in Terminator 2..IronBass

Maxed out

Using those two terms is the quickest way for intelligent people to point who doesn't know squat about graphics.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] Absolutly, that and they have only had one monster hit franchise. Look Bungie has a game like Halo which is huge and possibly one of the biggest name games in video game history and they dont push themselves to make the graphics engine better.. If Bungie where good devs they would be looking to grow as devs and make the best graphics engine possible especially considering the butt load of money they made on the Halo franchise. That would be almost as equal to James Cameron releasing avatar and still using the same type of special effects found in Terminator 2..Kennysolidsnake

So Myth and Marathon don't count?

It is a new engine, more or less. Halo 3 ran on a modified version of the Halo 2 engine. For Reach to still be running on that same engine seems farfetched. According to an interview with Edge, bungie said they completed 'gutted' the engine and left no area unchanged. They changed it enough to warrant giving it a new name, anyhow.

I think it's reasonable to say it's a new engine.

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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] Absolutly, that and they have only had one monster hit franchise. Look Bungie has a game like Halo which is huge and possibly one of the biggest name games in video game history and they dont push themselves to make the graphics engine better.. If Bungie where good devs they would be looking to grow as devs and make the best graphics engine possible especially considering the butt load of money they made on the Halo franchise. That would be almost as equal to James Cameron releasing avatar and still using the same type of special effects found in Terminator 2..Kennysolidsnake

Words can't describe how shallow and fanboyish that sounds.

Basically I'm saying that if a game has solid gameplay, a solid universe and, in Halo's case, solid multiplayer, then it doesn't need to strive to be graphics king. As long as it keeps that solid gameplay, it won't need to even try to top Crysis.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] Absolutly, that and they have only had one monster hit franchise. Look Bungie has a game like Halo which is huge and possibly one of the biggest name games in video game history and they dont push themselves to make the graphics engine better.. If Bungie where good devs they would be looking to grow as devs and make the best graphics engine possible especially considering the butt load of money they made on the Halo franchise. That would be almost as equal to James Cameron releasing avatar and still using the same type of special effects found in Terminator 2..Kennysolidsnake

they created Myth, a AAA franchise on the PC

and Marathon a AAA franchise on the MACs

[QUOTE="DropTarget"]

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

Kennysolidsnake

It is a new engine, more or less. Halo 3 ran on a modified version of the Halo 2 engine. For Reach to still be running on that same engine seems farfetched. According to an interview with Edge, bungie said they completed 'gutted' the engine and left no area unchanged. They changed it enough to warrant giving it a new name, anyhow.

I think it's reasonable to say it's a new engine.

Doctor-McNinja

Pretty much this. It's the same has the Halo 3 engine in the same way Unreal 3 is the same as Unreal 2.

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="DropTarget"]

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

Chutebox

Id software tried that once

[QUOTE="thedude-"]

Isn't Halo 3 engine just updated from Halo 2 and that updated from Halo: CE?

Like they have never changed engines?

Halo 3 had a great framerate, huge environments, great explosions and effects, TONS of tech going on at the same time, and it is all constantly being recorded, however this results in low texture quality among other things.

Pretty much. They've been using the Proprietary Halo Engine since Halo's development began as an RTS.

http://www.relyonhorror.com/content/new-haloreach-facts-gamepro "Halo: Reach's graphic engine is NOT new. It is a heavily modified Halo 3 engine" sorry my browser wont let me link.. Hmm looks like this is not a new engine afterall but just a "modified" Halo 3 engine, guess the 360 is maxed out afterall.

Kennysolidsnake

Well, MW2 uses a modified Quake 3 engine, so whatever.Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="Phoenix534"]

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] Absolutly, that and they have only had one monster hit franchise. Look Bungie has a game like Halo which is huge and possibly one of the biggest name games in video game history and they dont push themselves to make the graphics engine better.. If Bungie where good devs they would be looking to grow as devs and make the best graphics engine possible especially considering the butt load of money they made on the Halo franchise. That would be almost as equal to James Cameron releasing avatar and still using the same type of special effects found in Terminator 2..Kennysolidsnake

Words can't describe how shallow and fanboyish that sounds.

Here is where I do agree with you. They have made a **** load of money of this franchise, so I think they should try and improve the graphics so long as gameplay doesn't take it hit. So far it looks like are improving the graphics though. But to what extent? No clue, we'll have to wait to find out.

[QUOTE="DropTarget"]

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

Kennysolidsnake