New Halo Reach Info.. Graphics engine not new.. Just modified Halo 3 engine

Bungie doesnt seem to know how to develop a graphics engine to be on par with that of games like Gears Of War 2, U2 and even MW2

Kennysolidsnake

And as for your comment about Bungie being one-trick ponies, i have to say that's pretty uninformed. Myth and Marathon were both AAA franchises. Indeed, Gamespot's review for Myth (or it might have been Myth 2....) says its one of the best games ever made.

So now we know that Halo Reach won't be graphics king, though it will probably look better than Halo 3. This does'nt really matter to them anyways, Halo Reach could have been made in 2d and the fans would still buy millions of copies. The game will sell in huge numbers no matter how the game plays or looks.

They are overrated devs.. they have one blockbuster franchise that happens to have a large following of fans that will play the game online until Christ's 2nd coming.. They have no other games in their portfolio whatsoever other than what? oni?, they are the true definition of one trick ponys.Kennysolidsnake

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Bungie doesnt seem to know how to develop a graphics engine to be on par with that of games like Gears Of War 2, U2 and even MW2

Doctor-McNinja

And as for your comment about Bungie being one-trick ponies, i have to say that's pretty uninformed. Myth and Marathon were both AAA franchises. Indeed, Gamespot's review for Myth (or it might have been Myth 2....) says its one of the best games ever made.

Halo a sanbox game? You sure about that?

Halo a sanbox game? You sure about that?

Chutebox

lol, microsoft the king of the copy and paste method of game development, bungie has no excuse for what they're doing besides being lazy...look at poly they actaully take time with their games..........so much time infact its maddening.......but not microsoft...the ps3 has proven that its a much much better system then the 360 and this year looks like its going to be hell for microsoft......this is where the tide turns for the better

lol, microsoft the king of the copy and paste method of game development, bungie has no excuse for what they're doing besides being lazy...look at poly they actaully take time with their games..........so much time infact its maddening.......but not microsoft...the ps3 has proven that its a much much better system then the 360 and this year looks like its going to be hell for microsoft......this is where the tide turns for the better

Syn_Valence

lol, microsoft the king of the copy and paste method of game development, bungie has no excuse for what they're doing besides being lazy...look at poly they actaully take time with their games..........so much time infact its maddening.......but not microsoft...the ps3 has proven that its a much much better system then the 360 and this year looks like its going to be hell for microsoft......this is where the tide turns for the better

Syn_Valence

No one said this game would be a graphical darling anyway.clubsammich91

are you kidding? did you see all the threads when the first Reach trailer was shown? everyone went 'teh lighting' and 'teh grafix'.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Well, MW2 uses a modified Quake 3 engine, so whatever.kolkov01

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[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

Bungie doesnt seem to know how to develop a graphics engine to be on par with that of games like Gears Of War 2, U2 and even MW2

Chutebox

And as for your comment about Bungie being one-trick ponies, i have to say that's pretty uninformed. Myth and Marathon were both AAA franchises. Indeed, Gamespot's review for Myth (or it might have been Myth 2....) says its one of the best games ever made.

Halo a sanbox game? You sure about that?

[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]Well, MW2 uses a modified Quake 3 engine, so whatever.Cherokee_Jack

It uses Infinity Ward's proprietary engine, IW 4.0, which is a modded IW 3, which is a modded IW 2, which is a modded IW 1, which branches from id Tech 3, aka the Quake 3 engine.

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What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

Kennysolidsnake

Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? tbone802

http://www.relyonhorror.com/content/new-haloreach-facts-gamepro "Halo: Reach's graphic engine is NOT new. It is a heavily modified Halo 3 engine" sorry my browser wont let me link.. Hmm looks like this is not a new engine afterall but just a "modified" Halo 3 engine, guess the 360 is maxed out afterall.

Kennysolidsnake

Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? tbone802

yes, but Naughty Dog built the engine from scratch for the PS3. on the other hand, Reach is a mod of Halo 3, and Halo 3 was a mod of Halo 2, and Halo 2 was a...you know what i mean.

[QUOTE="DropTarget"]

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

Kennysolidsnake

Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? tbone802

Basically. Uncharted 1 used Naughty Dog Engine 1 while Uncharted 2 used Naughty Dog Engine 2 complemented by Havok.

Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? tbone802

[QUOTE="tbone802"]Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? roddollente

yes, but Naughty Dog built the engine from scratch for the PS3. on the other hand, Reach is a mod of Halo 3, and Halo 3 was a mod of Halo 2, and Halo 2 was a...you know what i mean.

[QUOTE="tbone802"]Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? roddollente

yes, but Naughty Dog built the engine from scratch for the PS3. on the other hand, Reach is a mod of Halo 3, and Halo 3 was a mod of Halo 2, and Halo 2 was a...you know what i mean.

the fanboyism is strong in the OP.

the fact that the Halo Reach game engine is not a brand new engine means nothing.

It's far easier to heavily-modify an existing game engine than it is to build one from the scratch, particularly when considering that the Halo3 engine has excellent lighting and physics effects already. Bungie probably figured: hey we've hit the nail on the head in these areas but we've gotta improve in others & that's where modifying the existing engine came in. They have after all worked in Halo3 and ODST- so that's years of experience working with a single engine, building a brand new engine from scratch and getting used to it is a lot harder than improving what you've got.

Developers are constantly modifying game engines to improve them.

I'm not saying Halo Reach is going to look the best on the planet but from what we've seen so far it's gonna look MIGHTY good.

[QUOTE="tbone802"]Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? Martin_G_N

[QUOTE="tbone802"]Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? Doctor-McNinja

Twilight Princess uses a heavily modified Wind Waker engine and those games look nothing alike :|

This doesn't mean Halo Reach will look bad.

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"][QUOTE="tbone802"]Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? tbone802

You're definitely not the only one. Hell, all of his topics feel like they're filled to the brim with milk.

[QUOTE="tbone802"]Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? Martin_G_N

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[QUOTE="tbone802"]Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? themyth01

yes, but Naughty Dog built the engine from scratch for the PS3. on the other hand, Reach is a mod of Halo 3, and Halo 3 was a mod of Halo 2, and Halo 2 was a...you know what i mean.

huh...yes. Uncharted 2 was a mod of Uncharted 1. but Uncharted 1 was a PS3 game. a 2007 game. Reach will be a mod of Halo 3 (a 2007 game). Halo 3 a mod of Halo 2 (a 2004 Xbox game). and Halo 2 a mod of Halo CE (a 2001 Xbox game). so what's your point?

still looks great and you can tell its gonna be a different feel then the other halos

huh...yes. Uncharted 2 was a mod of Uncharted 1. but Uncharted 1 was a PS3 game. a 2007 game. Reach will be a mod of Halo 3 (a 2007 game). Halo 3 a mod of Halo 2 (a 2004 Xbox game). and Halo 2 a mod of Halo CE (a 2001 Xbox game). so what's your point?

roddollente

Halo 2 was not 'a mod' of Halo CE. It had an entirely new engine built from scratch which took bungie years to produce; longer than it took them to make Halo 2 itself. I just told you this, yet you repeat the same misinformation. Neither Halo 3 nor Halo Reach run on 'mods'. Halo 3 ran on the same engine as Halo 2 (which makes sense... it was pretty much brand new....) only altered to run on an HD machine at higher resolutions.

Halo Reach runs on a NEW version of that engine. The TC's topic title is completely false, as is the content of that post.

huh...yes. Uncharted 2 was a mod of Uncharted 1. but Uncharted 1 was a PS3 game. a 2007 game. Reach will be a mod of Halo 3 (a 2007 game). Halo 3 a mod of Halo 2 (a 2004 Xbox game). and Halo 2 a mod of Halo CE (a 2001 Xbox game). so what's your point?

roddollente

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

DropTarget

[QUOTE="DropTarget"]

What is wrong with a modified Halo 3 engine? The game looks and plays great and is loved by many. I don't see what the real problem is here.

snowyfleury

[QUOTE="roddollente"]

huh...yes. Uncharted 2 was a mod of Uncharted 1. but Uncharted 1 was a PS3 game. a 2007 game. Reach will be a mod of Halo 3 (a 2007 game). Halo 3 a mod of Halo 2 (a 2004 Xbox game). and Halo 2 a mod of Halo CE (a 2001 Xbox game). so what's your point?

Doctor-McNinja

Halo 2 was not 'a mod' of Halo CE. It had an entirely new engine built from scratch which took bungie years to produce; longer than it took them to make Halo 2 itself. I just told you this, yet you repeat the same misinformation. Neither Halo 3 nor Halo Reach run on 'mods'. Halo 3 ran on the same engine as Halo 2 (which makes sense... it was pretty much brand new....) only altered to run on an HD machine at higher resolutions.

Halo Reach runs on a NEW version of that engine. The TC's topic title is completely false, as is the content of that post.

lol even then, it will be using a 2004, last-gen engine. that's what you call brand new? uhhh..i guess you don't know that 'mod' is a shortcut for modification. not a 'mod' as in Counter-Strike is a mod of Half-life.

GoW3 will use a new engine, so will GT5, so did Uncharted 2, MAG, Heavy Rain, etc. on the other hand, Gears used Unreal 3, Halo Reach will use a 2004 engine, and Left 4 Dead 2 used Source. wow.

This is what a Bungie employee said on their website. "If you take a car, replace the motor, the wheels, the timing bells, the windshield wipers, the windshield, all of the interior details, the body, everything but the frame, is it still the same car"ujjval16

A Hyundai is still a Hyundai no matter how much you spend on it :lol:

[QUOTE="roddollente"]

huh...yes. Uncharted 2 was a mod of Uncharted 1. but Uncharted 1 was a PS3 game. a 2007 game. Reach will be a mod of Halo 3 (a 2007 game). Halo 3 a mod of Halo 2 (a 2004 Xbox game). and Halo 2 a mod of Halo CE (a 2001 Xbox game). so what's your point?

kolkov01

do you even know what context means? im not talking about Left 4 Dead being a 'mod' of Source. im talking about modification=tweak=upgrade. get it?

This is what a Bungie employee said on their website. "If you take a car, replace the motor, the wheels, the timing bells, the windshield wipers, the windshield, all of the interior details, the body, everything but the frame, is it still the same car"ujjval16

It is the same car according to some in this thread :lol:

Also... why is Bungie taking all the flak for this when they aren't the only ones nor the first ones to re-tool an engine from a previous game?

We've all seen Halo reach so far and it looks much better than 3 and ODST.

This is what a Bungie employee said on their website. "If you take a car, replace the motor, the wheels, the timing bells, the windshield wipers, the windshield, all of the interior details, the body, everything but the frame, is it still the same car"ujjval16

then why dont you just buy a new car with those stuff put in, so you don't have to replace ever damn part? oh, i get it. you're lazy.

lol even then, it will be using a 2004, last-gen engine. that's what you call brand new? uhhh..i guess you don't know that 'mod' is a shortcut for modification. not a 'mod' as in Counter-Strike is a mod of Half-life.

GoW3 will use a new engine, so will GT5, so did Uncharted 2, MAG, Heavy Rain, etc. on the other hand, Gears used Unreal 3, Halo Reach will use a 2004 engine, and Left 4 Dead 2 used Source. wow.

roddollente

You just completely side-stepped the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about. Look at what you just claimed; you said Halo 2 ran on a 'mod' of Halo CE's engine. You literally just made that up, that couldn't be further from the truth. So why comment if you have no knowledge on the subject matter? Like someone else said, do you even know what a mod is? Modifications to an engine doesn't mean they tinker around with it a tiny bit and leave it more or less the same. Practically EVERY engine is built on the foundations of its previous versions. Look at Modern Warfare 2; it runs on a modified version of the Quake engine. Does that mean that game sucks too?

You have absolutely no idea whether or not GT5 or GoW will use new engines. Their new engines will more than likely be exactly the same as what the Reach engine is a totally gutted, overhauled version of the existing engine. Hardly any developer makes a totally new engine if they already have one to work with; that's a complete waste of resources. Halo Reach will not use a '2004' engine at all. It was heavily modified for Halo 3 and has been totally re-designed for Reach.

Their 3D art pipeline as just one example uses an entirely different approach to Halo 3 yielding far greater results. The Assault Rifle now has more polygons than an entire character model did in Halo 3. I really dont think you know what you're talking about on this topic, just my honest opinion.

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"][QUOTE="tbone802"]Doesn't Uncharted 2 just use a re-vamped Uncharted 1 engine? Doctor-McNinja

If CDProjekt can use a modified version of the goddamn Aurora Engine to make The Witcher, I'm sure Bungie can modify the Halo 3 engine and turn out a perfectly good looking game.