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#52 ermacness
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]well 2 reviews one is 8.0 and one 6.8. OUCH. In the world of games there are many must have games but it does not seem M.assive. A.ction G.ame is one of them.CanYouDiglt

Actually 3 reviews http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/01/25/review-mag/ They gave it an 8/10

Well considering thesixtheaxis is obviously a pre Sony site and they just barely gave a 8.0 score does not say much either.

Also I was positive with Destructiod but come on lets not act like thesixthaxis giving a 8.0 is a good thing

is an 8.0 a bad thing?:|

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#53 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Well, there was hype. Cows suddenly changed their minds during the fallout from the beta, but not too long ago it was teh CoD killer.

Dude, like 3 people hyped MAG as the second coming, they were just very vocal. Everyone else was on the fence about it hyping it A-AA.

I'm not sure about that. Last year MAG was on every cow hype thread without fail. It was AA-ish, but no one was shying away from it until recently.

yeah, then people played the Beta.... You know, it's like when you hype a game, then you play the demo and you realize it's not as great as you think? There is nothing wrong with that. Last year, all people had was video footage, and previews, then people finally got to try it out themselves, and for a while now they hype has been around 7.5-8.5
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#54 ermacness
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M.A.G is just a mediocre game....i am not suprised by the score 6,8.Panosola
good thing opinions varies;)

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#55 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"] Actually 3 reviews http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/01/25/review-mag/ They gave it an 8/10

ermacness

Well considering thesixtheaxis is obviously a pre Sony site and they just barely gave a 8.0 score does not say much either.

Also I was positive with Destructiod but come on lets not act like thesixthaxis giving a 8.0 is a good thing

is an 8.0 a bad thing?:|

I did not say a 8.0 is bad but I did say lets not act like it is a good thing so why don't you try and not spin what I said. To go further a hyped exclusive scoring 8.0 is not a good thing.
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#56 bigboss5ak
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I like my flops sunny side up plz
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#57 Nike_Air
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My favorite line

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Ally icons on the mini-map should vary according to squad to make it easier, nay possible, to stick with the guys you're supposed to stick with. They don't. Your current squad and platoon orders should be displayed prominently on screen at all times. They're not."nhh18

That really makes me wonder if they even played it :(

[spoiler] Stop picking on Warhawk , it hurts my feelings.I love the game [/spoiler]

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#58 ermacness
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[QUOTE="ermacness"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Well considering thesixtheaxis is obviously a pre Sony site and they just barely gave a 8.0 score does not say much either.

Also I was positive with Destructiod but come on lets not act like thesixthaxis giving a 8.0 is a good thing

CanYouDiglt

is an 8.0 a bad thing?:|

I did not say a 8.0 is bad but I did say lets not act like it is a good thing so why don't you try and not spin what I said. To go further a hyped exclusive scoring 8.0 is not a good thing.

dude!!!!! the game had a failed beta (in which i did not agree with) by the community. It was hyped before, but after the beta, the hype fell tremendously. An 8.0 game is just that, it's a great game going by the review scale, it's not astonishing, bit it's not a flop of a score either. An 8.0 is closer to success than it is to failure.;)

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#59 Brownesque
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For anyone not willing to read the entire content of that review, I'd like to summarize it for you.

Point 1: I cannot figure this game out

Point 2: BAWWWWWWWW (3 pages approx of this)

End: 6.8

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#60 ermacness
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I like my flops sunny side up plzbigboss5ak
you do know that the current hype for this game is A right?

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#61 Cherokee_Jack
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yeah, then people played the Beta.... You know, it's like when you hype a game, then you play the demo and you realize it's not as great as you think?II_Seraphim_II
Just like Too Human.
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#62 suz437
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[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]Just so people know they gave Mass Effect 2 a 9.8mtradr43
point is? everyone already knows (except the cows of course) that mass effect 2 is the far superior game.

Pretty sure most cows know ME2 is going to be the better overall in score
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No single player = fail.
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#64 surrealnumber5
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still to high
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#65 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]yeah, then people played the Beta.... You know, it's like when you hype a game, then you play the demo and you realize it's not as great as you think?Cherokee_Jack
Just like Too Human.

Yeah, just like Too Human.
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#66 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]yeah, then people played the Beta.... You know, it's like when you hype a game, then you play the demo and you realize it's not as great as you think?II_Seraphim_II
Just like Too Human.

Yeah, just like Too Human.

So was Too Human a flop or not?
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#67 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Just like Too Human.

Yeah, just like Too Human.

So was Too Human a flop or not?

It was, because there was a hype thread where everyone voted. I personally think that you should be able to change your vote at anytime before the game is released, but whatever. As for MAG, there hasn't been a hype thread yet, so it's impossible to discern whether or not it will flop, seeing as there is no hype thread. I don't necessarily agree with the rules SW has, but their here to stay and there is nothing I can do about it. I personally think people should be allowed to change their mind after a demo is released, so long as GS hasn't reviewed it yet and there aren't too many reviews from popular sites yet.
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#68 caseypayne69
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Sad to see Zipper fall from Grace. Socom 2 was sweet.
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#69 II_Seraphim_II
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Sad to see Zipper fall from Grace. Socom 2 was sweet.caseypayne69
I dunno about "fall from grace". Let's wait for more reviews. 2 AA reviews and one sub-A review. This looks like a divisive game.
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I personally think that you should be able to change your vote at anytime before the game is released, but whatever.II_Seraphim_II
I think flip-flopping like that should be minimized. It undermines the significance of the hype.
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#71 RadecSupreme
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I knew this game wouldnt be that great. Bad company 2 will be much better.

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#72 finalfantasy94
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Sad to see Zipper fall from Grace. Socom 2 was sweet.caseypayne69

Well you can put into account that some people are just tired of FPS's this gen. This gen was FPS crazy. So its not really fall from grace its just your putting another FPS in a gen that already is stuffed with them. So that can sometimes cloud peoples judgement. Depending on the person.

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#73 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]yeah, then people played the Beta.... You know, it's like when you hype a game, then you play the demo and you realize it's not as great as you think?II_Seraphim_II
Just like Too Human.

Yeah, just like Too Human.

Hmm so the best defense for the failing M.assive A.ction G.ame that was designed for the PS3 and only the PS3 is to compare it to Too Human which was made for the PS1 then the Gamecube then MS bought it for the 360. So a failing game designed for one system is the same as one that was designed for three different companies and generations. Well this is System Wars were damage control is taken to a new level.

So I guess since Too Human started off with the PS1 Sony failed with MAG and Too Human. Well at least MS was able to make sure something was put together since Sony could not.

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#74 LiquidSnake1001
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http://www.gamesradar.com/f/mag-whats-the-verdict-on-sonys-online-fps/a-20100125123814172091/p-2 Here's Gamesradar's impressions, they're waiting for the launch to review it but based on what they played at the review event it's a 5 or 6.
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#75 donalbane
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="LiquidSnake1001"]

http://www.nowgamer.com/reviews/ps3/8990/mag-massive-action-game

Never heard of the site but nobody can really be suprised by the score.

well 2 reviews one is 8.0 and one 6.8. OUCH. In the world of games there are many must have games but it does not seem M.assive. A.ction G.ame is one of them.

Actually 3 reviews http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/01/25/review-mag/ They gave it an 8/10

PS3-only sites tend to be a lot kinder to PS3 games... especially exclusives.
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#76 CanYouDiglt
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[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Sad to see Zipper fall from Grace. Socom 2 was sweet.finalfantasy94

Well you can put into account that some people are just tired of FPS's this gen. This gen was FPS crazy. So its not really fall from grace its just your putting another FPS in a gen that already is stuffed with them. So that can sometimes cloud peoples judgement. Depending on the person.

Sick of FPS??? wait what? did you see MW2 sales that was a couple months ago? MAG is just very generic but to make it much worse it is just 256 times the generic. Mag's selling point-sure we are generic but we do generic with a lot more people
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#77 mtradr43
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[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Sad to see Zipper fall from Grace. Socom 2 was sweet.finalfantasy94

Well you can put into account that some people are just tired of FPS's this gen. This gen was FPS crazy. So its not really fall from grace its just your putting another FPS in a gen that already is stuffed with them. So that can sometimes cloud peoples judgement. Depending on the person.

bioshock 2 comes out in two weeks or so and its gotten a few AAA reviews already, so its not that people are tired of fps games, its just that zipper isnt any good anymore.
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#78 Cherokee_Jack
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] Just like Too Human.CanYouDiglt

Yeah, just like Too Human.

Hmm so the best defense for the failing M.assive A.ction G.ame that was designed for the PS3 and only the PS3 is to compare it to Too Human which was made for the PS1 then the Gamecube then MS bought it for the 360. So a failing game designed for one system is the same as one that was designed for three different companies and generations. Well this is System Wars were damage control is taken to a new level.

So I guess since Too Human started off with the PS1 Sony failed with MAG and Too Human. Well at least MS was able to make sure something was put together since Sony could not.

What? I'm not sure you understand what that exchange meant.
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#79 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]well 2 reviews one is 8.0 and one 6.8. OUCH. In the world of games there are many must have games but it does not seem M.assive. A.ction G.ame is one of them.donalbane

Actually 3 reviews http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/01/25/review-mag/ They gave it an 8/10

PS3-only sites tend to be a lot kinder to PS3 games... especially exclusives.

They arent PS3 only. They also rate X360 games. For instance they have ODST and Left4Dead 2 and so on.
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Sad to see Zipper fall from Grace. Socom 2 was sweet.caseypayne69
Hopefully they've learned their lesson and will go back to socom.
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#81 brickdoctor
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Lol, releasing this game on the same day, same month, as Mass Effect 2 is a huge fail.

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#82 sayonara89
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Latest MAG Reviews Lack Credibility
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#83 II_Seraphim_II
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Latest MAG Reviews Lack Credibilitysayonara89
That's a very good point.
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#84 mtradr43
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Latest MAG Reviews Lack Credibilitysayonara89
except the beta is exactly what the final game is going to be like, except with more maps and features. if the game wasnt any good in the beta (which wont have changed much in the short time it was out) it isnt going to be much different in the final. granted, they should wait if that is indeed the case, but in a mp only game, its not like they were missing out on anything.
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No single player = fail. Bread_or_Decide
Could not disagree more, a good MP is every bit as good if not better in certain things than SP. Honestly I would be kind of jazed for this game if I had a PS3 no matter what the reviews say (as long as its not a camper fest - those can sucks my *****), fun MP shooters = win. Having said that I obviously haven't played the beta but I like the idea of the game, although theory doesn't always equate to succeeding in practice.
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#86 fabz_95
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Ouch, not a great score but it's not the end of the world since there have been some good reviews.

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[QUOTE="sayonara89"]Latest MAG Reviews Lack CredibilityII_Seraphim_II
That's a very good point.

Any movie that won't let reviewers review until it releases, usually blows hard. That would concern me about MAG.
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#88 caseypayne69
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Well i've disliked socom after socom 3 and Confrontation.
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#89 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Any movie that won't let reviewers review until it releases, usually blows hard. That would concern me about MAG.

What do you want them to do? To release the game before the release date? It's an online game, they are probably working on the live servers for the game to try and ensure a great launch. If this was a single player game, they would probably spread it around, but if you click on the link you will see that the final servers aren't even up, so if they did give reviewers a copy of the game, they wouldn't even be able to play.
[QUOTE="sayonara89"]Latest MAG Reviews Lack Credibilitymtradr43
except the beta is exactly what the final game is going to be like, except with more maps and features. if the game wasnt any good in the beta (which wont have changed much in the short time it was out) it isnt going to be much different in the final. granted, they should wait if that is indeed the case, but in a mp only game, its not like they were missing out on anything.

Are you serious? Did you just read what you typed. Rating a beta that lacks full features, maps, items and advancements is ok? So should movie critics rate movies based on the trailer? Should book critics rate books based on the little summary on the back? :?
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#90 FIipMode
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="sayonara89"]Latest MAG Reviews Lack Credibilityblue_hazy_basic
That's a very good point.

Any movie that won't let reviewers review until it releases, usually blows hard. That would concern me about MAG.

MW2 was the same way.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Any movie that won't let reviewers review until it releases, usually blows hard. That would concern me about MAG.II_Seraphim_II
What do you want them to do? To release the game before the release date? It's an online game, they are probably working on the live servers for the game to try and ensure a great launch. If this was a single player game, they would probably spread it around, but if you click on the link you will see that the final servers aren't even up, so if they did give reviewers a copy of the game, they wouldn't even be able to play.

I'm pretty sure EVERY other game manages to do it, why shouldn't MAG?
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BS the game isn't out and the servers aren't up how can they possibly review the game unless they used the MAG beta to review game which is like reviewing a demo

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] That's a very good point.FIipMode
Any movie that won't let reviewers review until it releases, usually blows hard. That would concern me about MAG.

MW2 was the same way.

Well didn't know that, but I did boycott it :P
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#94 BiggGaming
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I knew since beta this game had a one way ticket to Floppsville.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] What do you want them to do? To release the game before the release date? It's an online game, they are probably working on the live servers for the game to try and ensure a great launch. If this was a single player game, they would probably spread it around, but if you click on the link you will see that the final servers aren't even up, so if they did give reviewers a copy of the game, they wouldn't even be able to play. [QUOTE="mtradr43"][QUOTE="sayonara89"]Latest MAG Reviews Lack CredibilityII_Seraphim_II
except the beta is exactly what the final game is going to be like, except with more maps and features. if the game wasnt any good in the beta (which wont have changed much in the short time it was out) it isnt going to be much different in the final. granted, they should wait if that is indeed the case, but in a mp only game, its not like they were missing out on anything.

Are you serious? Did you just read what you typed. Rating a beta that lacks full features, maps, items and advancements is ok? So should movie critics rate movies based on the trailer? Should book critics rate books based on the little summary on the back? :?

heres the thing. not playing a few of the maps doesnt make the gameplay any different. if they didnt like the gameplay, trying it on a different map all based on a relatively similar layout of openess will not change an opinion. i played the beta and from the few hours i put in i would have given it a 7 if i was a reviewer. doest that mean im wrong? im pretty sure i would have played the game the same way on any map, and talked to as a few people on other maps.
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#96 BiggGaming
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="sayonara89"]Latest MAG Reviews Lack Credibilityblue_hazy_basic
That's a very good point.

Any movie that won't let reviewers review until it releases, usually blows hard. That would concern me about MAG.

Bingo! This is the kiss of death in the game reviewing community.

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#97 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Any movie that won't let reviewers review until it releases, usually blows hard. That would concern me about MAG.blue_hazy_basic
What do you want them to do? To release the game before the release date? It's an online game, they are probably working on the live servers for the game to try and ensure a great launch. If this was a single player game, they would probably spread it around, but if you click on the link you will see that the final servers aren't even up, so if they did give reviewers a copy of the game, they wouldn't even be able to play.

I'm pretty sure EVERY other game manages to do it, why shouldn't MAG?

games like MW have a single player component, and their online netcode is far simpler than that of a game like MAG. You can release MW or Halo or Killzone out there early and people can play the single player and review it, and you can probably have the online aspects up and running early, because the online servers and code are much smaller and less complex. A game like MAG that thrives online only takes a lot more than MW's servers. It has a consistent world, and the servers have to deal with a lot more, it's by far a bigger task. And what's the point of opening the official servers early? So 20 journalists can review how a game designed for 256 players plays? How does that work? Even if they opened the servers early and gave the reputed sites early access to the game, how would they review it. That's like reviewing WoW after playing on a private server and completely forgetting that interaction with other people is a crucial part of the game.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] What do you want them to do? To release the game before the release date? It's an online game, they are probably working on the live servers for the game to try and ensure a great launch. If this was a single player game, they would probably spread it around, but if you click on the link you will see that the final servers aren't even up, so if they did give reviewers a copy of the game, they wouldn't even be able to play. II_Seraphim_II
I'm pretty sure EVERY other game manages to do it, why shouldn't MAG?

games like MW have a single player component, and their online netcode is far simpler than that of a game like MAG. You can release MW or Halo or Killzone out there early and people can play the single player and review it, and you can probably have the online aspects up and running early, because the online servers and code are much smaller and less complex. A game like MAG that thrives online only takes a lot more than MW's servers. It has a consistent world, and the servers have to deal with a lot more, it's by far a bigger task. And what's the point of opening the official servers early? So 20 journalists can review how a game designed for 256 players plays? How does that work? Even if they opened the servers early and gave the reputed sites early access to the game, how would they review it. That's like reviewing WoW after playing on a private server and completely forgetting that interaction with other people is a crucial part of the game.

You would assume that they would send out ALOT more than 20 review copies (think how many sites/magazines/programs across the world review games) and that those people would be playing alot in the short time prior to release in order to review the game. You would need fairly minimal server support as there wouldn't be huge numbers of people playing. Some how other MP games manage to do it, and yes some of those games (PC) have sizeable MP numbers.
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#99 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="mtradr43"] heres the thing. not playing a few of the maps doesnt make the gameplay any different. if they didnt like the gameplay, trying it on a different map all based on a relatively similar layout of openess will not change an opinion. i played the beta and from the few hours i put in i would have given it a 7 if i was a reviewer. doest that mean im wrong? im pretty sure i would have played the game the same way on any map, and talked to as a few people on other maps.

Did they get to the last level? Did they unlock all the cool abilities? Did they try the other weapons? Maybe the gameplay sucked because of the level. You know that level design plays a large role in online play. Bad level design can completely ruin a great game. For instance in KZ2, Radec Academy is one of the worst designed levels ever, and every time I play that level, I hate Killzone 2. But when I play Pyhruss Rise, I love the game to death. Think of a game like WoW...the first few levels are just the general grind, you soloing, doing stupid quests and killing stupid mobs. If you rated the game based on that, you would completely hate it. But level up a bit, a better items appear, Battlegrounds unlock, group instances are available and the game is instantly a lot more fun. There is a reason beta is called beta, and it's not because it sounds cool.
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#100 mtradr43
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actually, i somewhat enjoyed leveling up in wow. i liked going around on my own more than with a group of people, though i eventually clanned up. also, mag, focusing more on large scale battles, will have largely,im assuming, similar map layouts. you cant have a corridor close quarters map with that many people, unless the building is beyond gigantic. if all maps are similar, and the maps played werent very fun, its going to be a largely similar ordeal. thats all im sayin.