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#101 donalbane
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[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"] Actually 3 reviews http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/01/25/review-mag/ They gave it an 8/10

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PS3-only sites tend to be a lot kinder to PS3 games... especially exclusives.

They arent PS3 only. They also rate X360 games. For instance they have ODST and Left4Dead 2 and so on.

My bad. You gotta admit, though, with a name like that, it sure sounds like PS3-central.

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#102 BlindfireMcgee
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Latest MAG Reviews Lack Credibilitysayonara89

Perhaps, I'm purchasing the game tomorrow and will definitely leave impressions as follows.

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#103 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I'm pretty sure EVERY other game manages to do it, why shouldn't MAG?blue_hazy_basic
games like MW have a single player component, and their online netcode is far simpler than that of a game like MAG. You can release MW or Halo or Killzone out there early and people can play the single player and review it, and you can probably have the online aspects up and running early, because the online servers and code are much smaller and less complex. A game like MAG that thrives online only takes a lot more than MW's servers. It has a consistent world, and the servers have to deal with a lot more, it's by far a bigger task. And what's the point of opening the official servers early? So 20 journalists can review how a game designed for 256 players plays? How does that work? Even if they opened the servers early and gave the reputed sites early access to the game, how would they review it. That's like reviewing WoW after playing on a private server and completely forgetting that interaction with other people is a crucial part of the game.

You would assume that they would send out ALOT more than 20 review copies (think how many sites/magazines/programs across the world review games) and that those people would be playing alot in the short time prior to release in order to review the game. You would need fairly minimal server support as there wouldn't be huge numbers of people playing. Some how other MP games manage to do it, and yes some of those games (PC) have sizeable MP numbers.

64 = / = 256. Lets assume there are 256 game reviewers (remember, each review site/magazine gets 1 copy). These review sites have to be pretty big and recognized by publishers, so Jonny's Blog doesn't cut it. Do you think there are 256 reputable gaming sites/ magazines that deal with the playstation either exclusively or inclusively? For the sake of argument, lets say, yes there are. I can guarantee you that all 256 review sites/magazine are not located in the same region. They are all over the world. Then comes the problem of time zones. How often do you think you are going to get all 256 players playing the game at the exact same time? I doubt you would even get that once. And remember, MAG survives on player interaction. This isnt MW where team work is suggested but not required. MAG puts teamwork first. If I hop into a 32 player match of BF2, I can have about the same experience as I would with 64 players, albeit on a smaller scale. If I hope into a 32 player match of MAG, it is in no way the same experience I would have with 256 players.
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#104 craftieman05
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All I know is that I throughly enjoyed the beta. Because I enjoyed the beta, I am going to buy the game. Simple as that.

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#105 Bus-A-Bus
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Man that game will suck...i mean i would much rather have twice less players for twice higher metacritic score :D
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#106 PhilipV94
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Never heard of the site, one thing, how can you review a game without experiencing its main feature?

Please let the reviews come AFTER the game is released, how it was meant to be.

-_-

Man that game will suck...i mean i would much rather have twice less players for twice higher metacritic score :DBus-A-Bus

So you base your enjoyment of the game on it's metacritic score? or how some reviews turn out?

Wow dude. Really.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] games like MW have a single player component, and their online netcode is far simpler than that of a game like MAG. You can release MW or Halo or Killzone out there early and people can play the single player and review it, and you can probably have the online aspects up and running early, because the online servers and code are much smaller and less complex. A game like MAG that thrives online only takes a lot more than MW's servers. It has a consistent world, and the servers have to deal with a lot more, it's by far a bigger task. And what's the point of opening the official servers early? So 20 journalists can review how a game designed for 256 players plays? How does that work? Even if they opened the servers early and gave the reputed sites early access to the game, how would they review it. That's like reviewing WoW after playing on a private server and completely forgetting that interaction with other people is a crucial part of the game.II_Seraphim_II
You would assume that they would send out ALOT more than 20 review copies (think how many sites/magazines/programs across the world review games) and that those people would be playing alot in the short time prior to release in order to review the game. You would need fairly minimal server support as there wouldn't be huge numbers of people playing. Some how other MP games manage to do it, and yes some of those games (PC) have sizeable MP numbers.

64 = / = 256. Lets assume there are 256 game reviewers (remember, each review site/magazine gets 1 copy). These review sites have to be pretty big and recognized by publishers, so Jonny's Blog doesn't cut it. Do you think there are 256 reputable gaming sites/ magazines that deal with the playstation either exclusively or inclusively? For the sake of argument, lets say, yes there are. I can guarantee you that all 256 review sites/magazine are not located in the same region. They are all over the world. Then comes the problem of time zones. How often do you think you are going to get all 256 players playing the game at the exact same time? I doubt you would even get that once. And remember, MAG survives on player interaction. This isnt MW where team work is suggested but not required. MAG puts teamwork first. If I hop into a 32 player match of BF2, I can have about the same experience as I would with 64 players, albeit on a smaller scale. If I hope into a 32 player match of MAG, it is in no way the same experience I would have with 256 players.

So you don't think that across Europe or the US there are 256 reviewers? Couldn't it be solved both any strain on servers or player issues, if you only turn on the servers for 3 or 4 hours a day for the last week thus making people play at certain times? We'll see if my concerns were borne out, I'm not here to bash the game (quite the opposite), only that I find it strange that a game that is seemingly getting alot of negative feedback from the demo doesn't allow people to review prior to release.
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#108 awssk8er716
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Yeah, and the pick like No More Heroes launch date to release this game...

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Fixed. :D

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#109 ShadowriverUB
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Man that game will suck...i mean i would much rather have twice less players for twice higher metacritic score :DBus-A-Bus

Well, only one mode in MAG is 256 player, Capture the track (i don't remember real name) is 128 player mode and sabotage got only 64 players

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#110 meronge
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It didn't flop. i mean, look at what Sony named it as...MAG

M.A.G = Mediocre Average Game

the name says it all

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#111 EliteKitteh
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Same site gave ODST a 6.3... AAA on Gamespot confirmed :lol:

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#112 ultraking
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6.8 ? not bad.. socom got lower than that here and i think socom is the best online game out now

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#113 fueled-system
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In all honesty anyone who was not an extreme fanboy could tell it would be a flop. The beta killed my interest and it really looked generic. The 256 or so players also kills it for me because in all honesty, 3 months from tommorow i could put money on the fact that they will struggle to even be able to get one game completly full.

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#114 swamplord666
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well after being in the closed beta and playing a bit of the open beta, this isn't surprising. It's a shame because it's a decent game, but doesn't have the lasting appeal for an online only game.

Also the community was generally very fun to play with :(

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#115 swamplord666
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It didn't flop. i mean, look at what Sony named it as...MAG

M.A.G = Mediocre Average Game

the name says it all

meronge

how could it be mediocre and average ;) surely it's one or the other :lol:

but yeah, it's an average game.

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#116 Bus-A-Bus
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Never heard of the site, one thing, how can you review a game without experiencing its main feature?

Please let the reviews come AFTER the game is released, how it was meant to be.

-_-

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]Man that game will suck...i mean i would much rather have twice less players for twice higher metacritic score :DPhilipV94

So you base your enjoyment of the game on it's metacritic score? or how some reviews turn out?

Wow dude. Really.

No,but if game is metacritic 7 for example then i am sure that game is mediocre,but if it is U2s 96,well i think it is safe to say 100 reviewers cant be wrong...

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#117 glez13
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It didn't flop. i mean, look at what Sony named it as...MAG

M.A.G = Mediocre Average Game

the name says it all

meronge

M.A.G.= Massively Average Game

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#118 Soupmate
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I can't even believe that this game is being compared to ME 2. There really isn't any competition, MAG is such a terrible game (basing off the demo)
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#119 muller39
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Since these reviews are based on the beta ill post my opinions of the game when I pick it up tomorrow morning.

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#120 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Flop for sure.

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the hype is A so no its not
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#121 stiggy321
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Visually not the most impressive game out there. Visibility of what's going on at a higher level can be sometimes hidden to those on the ground. Enjoyment can depend on others' investment in the idea of collaboration. LOL. Those aren't "cons."
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#122 sayonara89
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Same site gave ODST a 6.3... AAA on Gamespot confirmed :lol:

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LOL :lol:

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#123 deactivated-59d151f079814
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This is starting to sound like Haze.
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#124 samuraiguns
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three reviews and people are now calling flop?

wow, this gen is indispensable :roll:

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#125 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

three reviews and people are now calling flop?

wow, this gen is indispensable :roll:

... Rarely do you see a game get early reviews that are mediocre, they are usually always overly positive for marketing reasons.. This could be a bad sign that the game is infact mediocre or at very least not the AAA game people were suggeting it was.. This is just speculation though.
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#126 nervmeister
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Same site gave ODST a 6.3... AAA on Gamespot confirmed :lol:

EliteKitteh

^^This^^ and they gave Heavenly Sword a 6.5. (AA on GS and GR)

I'd give it a few more reviews before we can be certain.

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#127 samuraiguns
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

three reviews and people are now calling flop?

wow, this gen is indispensable :roll:

... Rarely do you see a game get early reviews that are mediocre, they are usually always overly positive for marketing reasons.. This could be a bad sign that the game is in fact mediocre or at very least not the AAA game people were suggesting it was.. This is just speculation though.

I do see reason, but, please give it some time guys!
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#128 killzowned24
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http://www.nowgamer.com/reviews/ps3/8990/mag-massive-action-game

Never heard of the site but nobody can really be suprised by the score.

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lol. wat! I may as well make a site nobody ever heard of.
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#129 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="EliteKitteh"]

Same site gave ODST a 6.3... AAA on Gamespot confirmed :lol:

nervmeister

^^This^^

I'd give it a few more reviews before we can be certain.

Or at least more reviews from professional sites.
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#130 BlancoBX
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or just read the first paragraph and see that their "review" is more of them complaining on how everyone was playing as a "lone wolf" and not caring to play the game tactically at all which is THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE GAME. If people go into this game expecting COD of course they are going to think it isnt good, because it is not that sort of game where you can just run around on your own get 15 kill streaks and send in a helicopter for more cheap kills...the game requires strategy, tactics and teamwork in order to be successful...I hope this game does get bad reviews so it can weed out all the COD playing noobs and the actual gamers who want to play a strategic FPS on a console can do so unhampered

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#131 SPYDER0416
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8.0 seems pretty... expected. Honestly it weird, with most games you either get a higher than expected score (if slightly) or lower, or it flops completely. MAG hashad an 8.0 hype for a long while now, reviews will probably go from 5.0 to 9.0 depending on who is reviewing.

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#132 MasteRich
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I've never heard of this site before, funny.AgentA-Mi6
Exactly. People don't care about the credibility. Scores is what they blindly look at.
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#133 muller39
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"][QUOTE="nervmeister"]

[QUOTE="EliteKitteh"]

Same site gave ODST a 6.3... AAA on Gamespot confirmed :lol:

^^This^^

I'd give it a few more reviews before we can be certain.

Or at least more reviews from professional sites.

Nice sig. Its always sunny is the best.
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http://www.nowgamer.com/reviews/ps3/8990/mag-massive-action-game

Never heard of the site but nobody can really be suprised by the score.

LiquidSnake1001

this "review" is garbage.. the reviewer makes some100% false statements(like saying that objectives arent always displayed when current objectives are indeed always displayed both in the top left corner of the screen and also the current objective is always highlighted in line-of-sight no matter where u are on the map)) and he spends 3/4 of the "review" talking about how dismissive both the game and Zipper appear to be in terms of holding the players' hands instead of talking about gameplay specifics.. apparently this guy wants all "large scale strategic battles" to be played out like tic-tac-toe.. personally, i dont see how Zipper could have made organizing and communicating a 256 player war more simple.. maybe this guy has a better idea.. if he does, he certainly doesnt illustrate how he would make improvements during his blog, er review..

basically it's plain to see that the reviewer obviously based his impressions on the unfinished beta since the actual game servers dont go live until tommorrow and Zipper has already made significant improvements to the game since the beta 5.0 which can be found here:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/01/mag-beta-vs-final-game/

so can someone please tell me how this person has reviewed the "final game" based purely on the incomplete BETA?.. beyond that, how do you review a game of this scale when you obviously havent even reached the upper command levels which is evident from the fact that he makes little to no mention of MAG's chain of command structure which is one of MAG's primary innovations?.. lol, i mean he acts like he's so confused about how the game should be played when nearly any gamer whose played the up to level 6 should have a firm grasp on what's going on in MAG.. maybe he should have played the training mode first, oh wait, the training mode wasnt unlocked during the BETA but will indeed be available during the final release.. yet another thing he forgot to mention..

but ofcourse, this is the review that points to floppage right?.. even the other couple reviews (which have all been 8 out of 10 so far) lack true credibility but atleast go far more indepth that this biased blog that someone wants to pass off as a "review"..

just another day in SW..

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#135 BlancoBX
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"][QUOTE="nervmeister"] ^^This^^

I'd give it a few more reviews before we can be certain.

muller39

Or at least more reviews from professional sites.

Nice sig. Its always sunny is the best.

it sure is...charlie is the funniest man on tv

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#136 Miroku32
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I was expecting a lower score than this. I hope here is GS it gets like a 5 or even a 4.
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#137 BlancoBX
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[QUOTE="LiquidSnake1001"]

http://www.nowgamer.com/reviews/ps3/8990/mag-massive-action-game

Never heard of the site but nobody can really be suprised by the score.

Antwan3K

this "review" is garbage.. the reviewer makes some100% false statements(like saying that objectives arent always displayed when current objectives are indeed always displayed both in the top left corner of the screen and also the current objective is always highlighted in line-of-sight no matter where u are on the map)) and he spends 3/4 of the "review" talking about how dismissive both the game and Zipper appear to be in terms of holding the players' hands instead of talking about gameplay specifics.. apparently this guy wants all "large scale strategic battles" to be played out like tic-tac-toe.. personally, i dont see how Zipper could have made organizing and communicating a 256 player war more simple.. maybe this guy has a better idea.. if he does, he certainly doesnt illustrate how he would make improvements during his blog, er review..

basically it's plain to see that the reviewer obviously based his impressions on the unfinished beta since the actual game servers dont go live until tommorrow and Zipper has already made significant improvements to the game since the beta 5.0 which can be found here:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/01/mag-beta-vs-final-game/

so can someone please tell me how this person has reviewed the "final game" based purely on the incomplete BETA?.. beyond that, how do you review a game of this scale when you obviously havent even reached the upper command levels which is evident from the fact that he makes little to no mention of MAG's chain of command structure which is one of MAG's primary innovations?.. lol, i mean he acts like he's so confused about how the game should be played when nearly any gamer whose played the up to level 6 should have a firm grasp on what's going on in MAG.. maybe he should have played the training mode first, oh wait, the training mode wasnt unlocked during the BETA but will indeed be available during the final release.. yet another thing he forgot to mention..

but ofcourse, this is the review that points to floppage right?.. even the other couple reviews (which have all been 8 out of 10 so far) lack true credibility but atleast go far more indepth that this biased blog that someone wants to pass off as a "review"..

just another day in SW..

you sir, hit the nail right on the head

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#138 Arctic_Grillz
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I was expecting a lower score than this. I hope here is GS it gets like a 5 or even a 4.Miroku32
you wish
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#139 clubsammich91
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I was expecting a lower score than this. I hope here is GS it gets like a 5 or even a 4.Miroku32
You hope a game fails:? Why?
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[QUOTE="Miroku32"]I was expecting a lower score than this. I hope here is GS it gets like a 5 or even a 4.Arctic_Grillz
you wish

Oh, I hope. MAG is one of the worst exclusives that the ps3 has; at least it isn't worst than Haze
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#141 Arctic_Grillz
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[QUOTE="Arctic_Grillz"][QUOTE="Miroku32"]I was expecting a lower score than this. I hope here is GS it gets like a 5 or even a 4.Miroku32
you wish

Oh, I hope. MAG is one of the worst exclusives that the ps3 has; at least it isn't worst than Haze

what lvl did you reach in the MAG beta?
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#142 Miroku32
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[QUOTE="Miroku32"]I was expecting a lower score than this. I hope here is GS it gets like a 5 or even a 4.clubsammich91
You hope a game fails:? Why?

Why? Let's see... I think it may be because the game has awful graphics, horrible gameplay, you don't understand anything, mic is a must unless you plan to lose and it doesn't come close to the FPS standards of this days. That's why.
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#143 Miroku32
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Don't remember well; I only played a few times and no one knew what to do.
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#144 BlancoBX
Member since 2009 • 894 Posts

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"][QUOTE="Miroku32"]I was expecting a lower score than this. I hope here is GS it gets like a 5 or even a 4.Miroku32
You hope a game fails:? Why?

Why? Let's see... I think it may be because the game has awful graphics, horrible gameplay, you don't understand anything, mic is a must unless you plan to lose and it doesn't come close to the FPS standards of this days. That's why.

those standards being run around get 15 killstreak, call in a chopper and get 10 more cheap kills? is that the standard you speak of?

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#145 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"][QUOTE="Miroku32"]I was expecting a lower score than this. I hope here is GS it gets like a 5 or even a 4.Miroku32
You hope a game fails:? Why?

Why? Let's see... I think it may be because the game has awful graphics, horrible gameplay, you don't understand anything,

Alright, alright, lets not get snippy here. I just find it weird when people actually want a game to do badly, that's all.

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#146 caseypayne69
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True all these reviews are based on Beta. Which is a lame way to review a game.
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#147 smokingsbad
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[QUOTE="Miroku32"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"] You hope a game fails:? Why?clubsammich91

Why? Let's see... I think it may be because the game has awful graphics, horrible gameplay, you don't understand anything,

Alright, alright, lets not get snippy here. I just find it weird when people actually want a game to do badly, that's all.

I think he means in the game, not toward you
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#148 ultima-flare
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Not saying its not a 6.8 game but that review is pointless. No credibility. As for my impressions based on the beta... The gameplay is very good. However it lacks a visceral punch(graphics & sound are flat out bad).

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#149 powerman91
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Don't remember well; I only played a few times and no one knew what to do. Miroku32
Yea I guess if you only played a couple times and had a bad team so you couldnt do the objective totally makes it a bad game. Do most of the people realize that the game IS NOT out yet and it's only the beta which has been said hundreds of time but yet people are still saying that game is soo bad. Can anybody at least wait till the game is out?
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#150 ksko
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[QUOTE="Miroku32"]Don't remember well; I only played a few times and no one knew what to do. powerman91
Yea I guess if you only played a couple times and had a bad team so you couldnt do the objective totally makes it a bad game. Do most of the people realize that the game IS NOT out yet and it's only the beta which has been said hundreds of time but yet people are still saying that game is soo bad. Can anybody at least wait till the game is out?

its out in america (26 january)

i went up to lvl 18 in beta , had an amazing time! cant wait to trade in mw2 and get mag:) !!!