NEWS: If Metro Exodus doesn't sell well; future Metro title won't be on PC

If they are struggling and they want to sell this game then they should put it on every platform and store that they can. Instead they have chosen to take a few hundred thousand dollars (obviously I don't know exactly how much the deal is worth but it certainly won't be worth much more than 100,000 copies) and lock it to a single store.

They'll lose sales from it only being available on the worst store/launcher available on PC and they'll lose a lot more copies, than they would have normally, to piracy. I've seen so many people who would have bought the game literally anywhere else considering pirating it, including me and I haven't been near a piracy site for many, many years.

EA must be laughing their tits off at this.

Nah. It's still exponentially superior to any 1 console for gaming (especially online gaming). The reason PC gamers are mad is because they are trying to force us to have some lame xbl/psn style setup, which is frankly shit.

I'm really glad I pre-ordered it on Steam and that they are honoring it.

Everything else that needed to be said about Epic's store pretty much has been already, so I won't bother.

Right, I know they're Russian, but taking this in any official capacity is tenuous at best, since THQ Nordic and Koch make the ultimate decisions of what platforms they develop for.

It seems about right. If people won't but their game on PC, then they should stop making PC games. Also, Epic Games Store is offering better revenue, so of course they have decided to go there for their sales.

I really don't get why people is getting so upset about all this, they are making a bussiness decision, is up in the air to see if it's going to work or not. If it does, then Steam may have to change a little and that's good, if is not, then the devs will have to put the game on steam as soon as they can.

Honestly, is fine by me.

inform yourself.....madsnake

EPIC's offering of better revenue isn't going to do any good if their DD platform sucks. In the grand scheme of things EPIC's 12% cut vs Valve's 30/25/20% ratio based on sales means little when they dont have to worry about material,shipping of a physical product nor having upkeep servers for DD on their end. Now the main reason why the Publisher did a bait and switch two weeks before release is because EPIC dangled a nice big fat up front bribe to lure them over. Thus forcing people into having no other option of getting the game except on a closed and inferior DD just to promote their platform. aka being anti competitive and anti consumer.....

Hear are the issues with this. EPIC dictates where when and how the game is distributed. Not allowing 3rd party keys thus limiting where the game can be bought on the PC market. And on top of the that their launcher/store has some major flaws and issues...... They have terrible security, no regional pricing no offline ability, have additional transaction fee.... etc... etc

Valve is not the issue.....

@pc_rocks: goes by the saying "never bite the hand that feeds you, because if you do, you will Ultimately Starve TO DEATH"

Ubisoft are doing what they need to do to survive are they? **** off.

While making games is hard, it is a job. A gazelle doesn't ask a lion for understanding in Africa plains. It just gets eaten, that's how it works. The dominant win, not those that require the most charity.

Publishers/developers haven't exactly endeared themselves on the opposite end of the spectrum. Any scummy practice, regardless of how morally dubious, can and has been done. Metro itself locking out difficulty modes as a pre-order for that little bit of extra cream on top.

As a consumer we should be concerned first and foremost about what we get, we are paying you money, our money that we worked for. And "nice happy smiley person" will happily shit all over you if it means profit. History has proven this time and time again endlessly in the industry. We could literally catalog multiple pages of all the bullshit they've contrived.

Epics service, as mentioned by our good Star Trek friend has 0 effort for the consumer. it's all about luring Publishers/developers with promises of easy money and clamping user-input, which is a huge problem.

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Regarding that, what we basically have in the media is a leftist cabal who view a large sect of the gaming community as alt-right, triggered by the Gamergate fiasco. What this means is, they want your opinion absolutely clamped. They 100% champion censorship and will happily spout out hit pieces against Steam propping up Epic.

The admirable thing about Valves entire ethos as a service, they actually genuinely believe in the consumer. Be it creating user-content, curating, allowing them to take hold of their own IP's as well as the obvious Steam reviews, instead of removing reviews, they add options to filter them, which deliberately ignored by media, because that's choice. Valve as an entity, right from the start of Halflife was about the community. No product on Valve is exclusive barring Valve's own products.

Problem here isn't simply a game, it's a line-of-thinking. These developers are supporting the idea of timed exclusivity and giving Publishers total control over how the consumer voice them-selfs.

Yet here we are. Thankfully it seems most people aren't falling for this shit. They can blah blah about review bombing all they like, it's one of the few means the consumer actually gets to voice themselves along with simply not supporting a mediocre service with ill-intent.

What the f.uck, guys, here i was cheering Exodus on because i want to buy and play your game, but you're putting sticks in my wheels at every God damn turn.

It's a very bad business decision regardless how you look at it. Whatever amount Epic gave them and whatever profit they may make in the short term (it's a one year deal) has a serious risk attached to it because Epic Store's market coverage is dwarfed by Steam, the risk here is that their exclusivity deal, which soured a lot of potential buyers (evidenced by people response on all gaming related social platforms), may not give the developers the revenue that they may have gotten otherwise.

The game is a highly anticipated piece of software backed by a real strong marketing which is also fueled by word of mouth; Also, it caters to many fanbases that want to buy this game - Metro fans, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. fans, FPS fans, etc. There was a high probability that Exodus would have become the next The Witcher 3 scenario.

But no, what they essentially did, and what they are continuing to do, is shoot themselves in the foot. I'm going to make a presumptuous bet that the game will be a financial failure. This whole negativity that continues to surround it is bound to affect overall sales, not just on PC, but also on consoles.

How the heads in charge of 4A games cannot see this is f.ucking amazing, because you have history to back this up.Screw the fans, screw the individuals that want to buy your game, insult them = your product will fail.

Nah, they are Ukranian, so it would be normal for them to visit a Russian forum.

Ukranians aren't Russians though, because these two countries are in a state of war.

Still, it's one developer, so hardly the stance of the entire team.

But I have to say 4A and Deep Silver have been doing a brilliant job so far destroying their own franchise.

its just one employye not entire 4A.

anyways deep silver made bethesda looks like saints. atleast they didnot put thier game on steam to pull it off.

they have not decide if Doom eternal will be on steam or not.

I thought the devs were Russian, but that could have been some off the cuff remark by someone that didn't know any better. I didn't actually research that part.

But yeah, it is just one of the devs. At any rate, I am glad I pre-ordered on Humble Bundle early; they are giving out Steam keys to anyone that pre-ordered before the Epic announcement.

Yeah. Threaten PC gamers for having criticism. That's a great idea. WTF.

They should have just sold on both stores. That $10 discount (depending on region) would have been a good deal on its own for people who don't care about Steam features like cloudsaves. Trimming down your audience instead of working on improvements is... not the best response.

Same, I preordered on Steam, and I refuse to buy anything on Epic store, especially after this whole debacle.

I even have less of a problem using the microsoft and bethesda store now, just because Epic is making theirs look so awful.

Fallout 76 isn't on steam, Rage 2 isn't on steam.

I'm gonna take a wild guess here ... yeah, future Bethesda games won't be on steam.

https://www.vgr.com/it-is-uncertain-whether-doom-eternal-will-be-on-steam-or-not/

they have not decide about Doom eternal.

Stupid move by them. Like I care if they wanna lose money in the future. They should’ve just released it on both Steam and Epic store and have the discount being on Epic store so we still had a choice. They messed up and are threatening their fans? ????

I had a dream last night. i saw developers put metro back on steam once again. then i woke up...

YEAH!!! How dare they want a little more of the money for themselves!! Gaming is supposed to be a non profit business!!!

Give me a fvckin break with all this crap. Its so unimportant. "I have to use a different launcher?!! To hell with them!!"

Well Fallout flopped that's for sure, and RAGE 2 might flop as well.

Companies seem to keep forgetting how huge the steam playerbase actually is:

It's akin to saying, well let's develop for Xbox and cut PS4 out for no reason whatsoever.

I could go into detail but you obviously don't care and just want to bitch and moan.

LOL No I just wanted to rustle someone. Thank bro.

Great discussion man, thought provoking stuff.

Ok fine. FAIL THEN.

Someone will come in to take your place. They ALWAYS do.

@the-a-baum: How is the situation of indy devs relevant to the issue? Metro Exodus has been on Steam's front page for months now.

The longest 5 minutes in history.

@R4gn4r0k said:

@ghosts4ever said:

https://www.vgr.com/it-is-uncertain-whether-doom-eternal-will-be-on-steam-or-not/

they have not decide about Doom eternal.

Well Fallout flopped that's for sure, and RAGE 2 might flop as well.

Companies seem to keep forgetting how huge the steam playerbase actually is:

It's akin to saying, well let's develop for Xbox and cut PS4 out for no reason whatsoever.

fallout 76 failed because it was terrible game.

RAGE2 is something no one really care about or asking for it while Doom Eternal is something that everyone has been asking for.

I have zero issues with Bethesda, EA, Actilizzard, Ubisoft or even Epic having their own IP's exclusive to their own platform.

This debacle with Metro is utterly bizarre. I think come Monday we may be seeing some different messaging coming out of Deep Silver, though I doubt that they'll be able to renege on their contract with Epic, that shit is signed, sealed and delivered. Money upfront always looks attractive, especially when they think it won't matter to the sales.

This may also help some people who see this as a storm over using just another launcher

What this doesn't show is the abject lack of personal security and that they are very likely selling (or even just giving) data to the Chinese government.

I think after all this metro fisaco. it made metro more popular than it was before and bethesda will put Doom Eternal on steam to avoid negativity. or id software will force bethesda to put their game on steam.

@ghosts4ever: Made Metro more infamous you mean? Also, 0% chance Doom is on steam in its release year.

Not sure if popular is the correct word here, more in the public eye certainly but they are going to lose sales over this, especially now that an employee of 4A has come out and threatened PC gamers upset over the last minute move from Steam.

I am one of those sales, Anthem is coming out and looks like fun, I have mates playing it and a group ready to join. I can live without Metro Exodus, sure it's disappointing but I'm not supporting scum bag anti-consumer practices.

Doom is Doom. whereever it release. it will be a masterpiece.

it wont be on epic launcher but will be on bethesda which obviously i never used.

@R4gn4r0k: “Great discussion man, thought provoking stuff.”

Lmao dude I meant no harm.

@ghosts4ever: I'm sure Doom will be good, just won't be on steam. Metro on the other hand is in deep trouble commercially.

or maybe they will put the game on steam within few month after sales tanked. thats why i have not decide when or how to play. i just downlaoded epic launcher. have not installed it yet.

will see more reviews if it turn out to be positive or not.

which is sad because it looks like best game of 2018 along with Doom Eternal.

its just shame a good developers working with bad publishers. and this killing their own franchise before it launched. it would have been steam top seller, and will turn Metro from nichie to AAA franchise.

I'm just gonna throw in my opinion but I think Epic & Deep Silver could've done better if they just sell the game for $50 on their store vs $60 everybody else. It may not be the $60 Epic's thinking but paying $50 for a game would get me thinking if I pay $50, I save $10 and use that $10 to buy something else.

The point is, you want to entice buyers, less then somebody else. Doing this makes you ask, do you really need it? Do you wanna save $10 but missing out features the other client doesn't have? It's super easy to do without thinking if you keep the new games low prices. Epic as a launcher shouldn't be making exclusive deals like they are doing now, Epic launcher is a in-house lockdown console on a PC and PC is an open-house after all.

@ghosts4ever: While I disagree with it being the goty, I do agree that it could have been a huge seller for them and they've hamstrung themselves. Though it does look like at least 1 dev is on board with the publishers stupid decision.

This "popularity" won't transalate to sales though.

Deep Silver shot themselves in the foot with this one.

Metro on PS4 will sell fine, Metro on Xbox will sell fine, Metro on PC will sell like crap.

My gods Ghost, it's video game Macbeth,

https://www.gamerevolution.com/news/489627-metro-creator-dmitry-glukhovsky-epic-games

Just because the game comes off the EPIC store, and we'll say it's available on Steam, doesn't mean that it won't require you to create an EPIC account and download their launcher to run the game.

I can purchase Assassin's Creed games or even Tom Clancy games on Steam, but I still require to setup Uplay to actually play the games.

• I haven't purchased any game that requires the use of Origin (ever), but I do have games that require it to launch them were I to play them (Star Wars TOR - which I purchased when the game released and Origin wasn't a requirement to launch the game that I recall).
• Uplay, I've only ever purchased 1 game through it and it was Tom Clancy's Wildlands. Everything else that requires Uplay to launch were games I purchased physically that have been converted to sync with Uplay (Assassin's Creed, Assassin's Creed II, etc) and games gifted or purchased myself on Steam.
• Steam is my main platform. I haven't actually purchased a game on Steam for 18+ months now, but I do get them gifted from my brother for birthday and Christmas gifts (365 games on Steam - including DLCs and any game that I have which requires Uplay).
• GoG - by far my favorite platform to have games through. I can download the game and launch it from my desktop, while I'm not online, and I'm not treated like a pirate wannabe because the game isn't looking for an online DRM platform (Steam/Origin/Uplay/etc) to allow the game to run. It's like I actually installed the game from a CD/DVD and I got to play it without other restrictions. Granted, Steam has a few better things such as it's more widely used and I have my Friends list and the overlay is easy to use, I still like GoG Galaxy more.

Long story short, I don't see Metro Exodus dropping the requirement of needing the EPIC launcher (which requires you to setup and create a user account, much like Origin/Steam/Uplay does) and that is one of the reasons people will avoid the game. At least I will because I don't want another launcher that requires all my personal info. I'm done with other launchers. I've hit my max with 3, thankfully GoG doesn't require any kind of launcher - you can use GoG Galaxy, but it's not a requirement by any means.

@neatfeatguy:

Metro is not an EPIC game .... while Creed or Clancy is owned by Ubi, big difference. I highly doubt that they redesigned the installer and force EPIC account on steam.

Metro was only available on steam, and all the pre-purchases and ones until it comes out on steam again in 2020 will still have the steam infrastructure. Since it was already made first.

Given that its just a singleplayer game, I'm still going to get it on Epic (I don't have any other games on there yet). Its more important for me to support 4A than it is to not support Epic.

hopefully this serves as a wakeup call for Steam to become more competitive... they have been resting on their laurels raking in cash for far too long. They can have all the pro-consumer practices in the world but they need good/big games if their platform is going to remain the PC gaming standard, and big games have been fleeing the platform in the last few years at a pretty incredible rate.

Hard to sell a console game on the Epic Store.

So wrong, Steam is competitive....... EPIC is not competitive with buying one year exclusivity and forcing all sales through their store. The only reason of the switch is because of the big bag of money EPIC dangled in front of the publisher to switch. Not because of the 12% cut ratio.

While Steam/valve allows 3rd party sales (like Humble Bundle or GMG etc) in which they do not see a dime. Then Valve also offers 30/25/20% cut ratio based on the amount of sales done through steam. People that buy this game through EPIC are telling these publishers its fine to bait and switch, limit where and how we can purchase these things limit our voices in rating their products where others can see....

EPIC is awful just be warned in what they have done recently.....

They have terrible security ie 80 million accounts were exposed week before last......

Games are more expensive on Epic due to regional pricing

You can't play games offline

They can refuse refunds even if you meet the criteria for a refund.

If you go ahead and buy this game through EPIC make sure you cover yourself in case you do get hacked your billing info isnt leaked.

**** 'em I guess.

I'm looking forward to this game... but now I think I'll just wait and see how all this shakes out.

Certainly no shortage of other awesome games to play. What a bunch of jokers.

Eh? They literally have been building and have the best service, bar none. How is that not competitive or pro-active? It's why they are the most used service, with others defending them on mass. How many people would defend Ubisoft, EA or Bethesda in this situation? Nobody, nobody would give a shit because Valve earned that attachment.

Games like PUBG (which Epic ripped off and wouldn't be where they are now) ironically derived from Steam. Dayz? Black Mesa? etc.... It's arguably because of Steam that fighting games on the platform now is an actual thing. Games like Tekken 7 and DBZF sold gang-busters. That's a few top of the head examples.

By supporting 4A you're basically supporting a future of console like timed exclusives, where if Epic hands them a cheque, you get to wait 12 months to play the thing? That's.... good?

As far as i'm aware, Valve does none of this, no one is forced to be exclusive. And... that's a bad thing? The reason developers and consumers stay with Valve is because of great service for both developers and consumer.

This isn't a matter of poor service, they just want more money, and they're willing to screw people to get it. And if Valve sits with that huge loyal-user base, that's lost money.

It's worth noting here, a while back EA removed all their future games. Nobody batted an eye-lid. And speaking personally, I've only used Origin to purchase the CnC collection on sale, everything else can happily be ignored.

Other services like GOG exist, but no one really bitches about that because that's also a great service. Where as... Epics is just shit, and try to limit users options, on a service that tries to limit the users input.

My buying history with the Metro series is as follows:

Metro 2033 - bought around release, at full price because it was one of a handful of games really pushing GPU's at the time.

Metro: Last Light - picked up on sale after about a year.

Sound familiar to anyone?

How about this bit? :

My prediction for when I'll buy Metro: Exodus - Don't have an RTX card, might pick it up after about a year, when it's on sale, and coincidentally when it hits STEAM again.

@04dcarraher@uninspiredcup I meant, competitive from a developer point of view. Most major devs/publishers are moving away from steam because they can make more profits with their own stores, or now the Epic store.

If Steam wants to stop losing games, they need to find ways to attract back publishers/devs who have left the platform. Maybe Valve should consider making interesting games again as well.

considering how much money they had and how dominant they were in the PC gaming market for like a decade, they kinda didn't do all that much with their time and resources. It doesn't matter how consumer friendly a service is if it doesn't have the games to back it up.