Next Gen Fighting Games

Probably will be the closet thing you'll get to a Just Marvel Fighting game.. from capcom.

I want a fighting game where one critical hit can bring the opponent down. I want a game with no life bars and the main weight should be on evading, parrying and using locks. If there are weapons available I want to see the characters getting wounded and their limbs flying off if enough force is used. I want them to get tired so you can't button smash.

Virtua Fighter 5: Final Showdown had really good teaching tools.

Part of the issue with teach tools is that Namco has this weird ass patent shit on how they do teaching tools, and no one is allowed to ape their shit.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/patented-game-mechanics-that-might-surprise-you/1100-6369027/

So like people can't just ape it. Otherwise everyone probably would have ripped off the Tekken teaching stuff by now.

@ jg4xchamp

Lol. Namco also has a Patent on some type of Minigame that you play during load times.

This is not cool.

And they're not even making the most of it.

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

I can't tell if you're joking :/

@ Clock-w0rk

I may have exegerated the part about the Buttons and Rotation thingy. But other than that. I'm dead serious.

The Boob Simulator is miles better. I was skeptical as to how the Rock, Paper, Scissors System was gona work with a fighting game but it doesn't just work. Its what the genre has been desperately missing.

Plus in addition to a damn good fight engine, you get to see chicks Jiggle. Thats Value right there :p

Is Tekken x Streetfighter still happening? Or did the negative reception of Streetfighter x Tekken kill it?

@ judaspete

Perhaps they realised Street Fighter characters don't do so well in 3D.

Maybe they're having trouble working out a free to play model. Really. It could be anything.

who is unbalanced in that game that hasnt been patched?

edit: they nerf every character to death

well perhaps I didn't play the patched version but there were a few.. but that only adds to my point. Why would there be a need for patching if all the characters were balanced from the beginning.

I think I almost died laughing when Faust started Kancho-ing the other fighters.

On The Subject of Dead Or Alive being too easy to counter. Well, thats just not true. And only winners say that, you can't just want your opponent to just take your 21 hit combo and not be interupted. You should be able to defend yourself and get out of tough situations and traverse the battle field with ease, which is why I like Characters that can either cover ground quickly (Backwards and Fowards) like Lisa and Ayane or Teleporting Characters like Ryu Hayabusa and that blonde haired black guy in Tekken.

Where was I ? Ah yes. Counter attacking.

Whell heres the Dead Or Alive facts, you Can only counter attack if your feet are still touching the ground. You can't counter attack if your being combo'd from behind or in the air. You also cant counter if you get hit with a critical stun.

Heres the Math for Counter attacks. Theres only three offensive strikes but four types of counters. So thats one advantage for the striker over the defender. The odds are also biased against the defender, theres only a 1 in 4 chance you can nail the right counter height but theres only three attack heights. The middle height as a seperate counter for kicks.

Despite all that. Its better than Streetfighter Or Tekken because you can't interupt a combo once its already started. Just gotta wait for it the combo to end. Atleast Dead Or Alive gives you a chance to save yourself.

At first it seems random, because theres no way to predict what height the next strike will be. But afterwhile you'l notice your your opponents patterns and you can counter them without guessing. Its no longer random. Its Metagaming. And the Counter Height Patterns for different opponents will never be the same. So the fights won't become stale or predictable.

@OhSnapitz said:

@hehe101 said:

I want a marvel fighting game so bad, not MVC. A game kinda like injustice... Just marvel -.-

Probably will be the closet thing you'll get to a Just Marvel Fighting game.. from capcom.

Hoping for a next gen title though... I know it's a dream but I have hope.

when we talk about competitive games, there always is balance needed to be made post launch because devs cant account for everything the community will do. gamers tend to abuse anything abusable .

counter strikes awp had to be patched, even cod4 had to patch the m16.....no one comes out with a perfectly balanced game out of the box.

I can't wait to see what Netherrealm does with MK10. I just hope it's next gen exclusive and they don't rush it like they did with the past MK games with Midway.

@ MickeyTheNinja

Why do you want it to be Next Gen Exclusive ?

More importantly, what is it do you think Next Gen can do for this game that this Gen can't ?

Well it was never confirmed to be cancelled. I dont know how good Tekken X Street Fighter will be but I know it will probably be a lot different than Street Fighter X Tekken since it's being made by the Tekken devs this time and will be a 3D fighter.

...thus my reason for saying it(next gen Tekken) needs balanced characters. Just because they will likely patch a game doesn't mean it shouldn't be on the wish list.

Mortal Kombat's king of the hill mode was amazing!! Need more of that!!!

Most fighting games with large rosters (20+) need a reboot just to shrink the roster size.

Tekken is a perfect example. There are so many characters with similar/same moves it's gotten ridiculous.

As for Western fighting games vs Japanese fighting games; I foresee the Western market continuing to inundated with simple "pick up and play" fighting games like MK and Killer Instinct. Japanese fighting games are literally the only genre they continue to do right IMO.

@Boddicker: you could start looking at Yatagarusu or Skullgirls for small fighting game rosters.

Well we need some more realistic looking characters like Mortal kombat but different gameplay to add more variety.

Then we need another Fight Night. EA clearly does not like money if they don't do this.

Killer Instinct is self evolving, so that will be good on its own.

Some of the indies will be getting bigger now.

Team 17 is about to throw out another Body Blows, and Southpeak brought the rights to Clay Fighter so we will be getting some of those.

Then there is the possibility that Street Fighter 5 will have 3 games as good as Street fighter 3, but that chance is very slim.

Midway Nethereakm is working on making new, and bringing back older fighrers from their old catelog.

Not much else of interest. Playmore, if they follow up with a progressive new game after KoFXiii than they might actuall go on to sell a good number over a million copies for the first time in their history of forever.

@Epak_: sounds like EA UFC is what you are looking for. Lol

@Omega-316: Good one :D I actually own one already but haven't really played it (UFC 2009). I think I'm looking for something a little bit different, I guess the question is how the game would differ from UFC. Weapons would be one thing, make the game more streamlined ( I guess), not as complex as UFC. Take Soul Calibur for example, the characters all wield weapons. If you fail at parrying your opponent he could do some serious damage (probably kill you), you could parry his attack (maybe even disarm him and then take the fight to the ground).

It would be pretty exciting IMO, make the characters tired so you couldn't button smash all the time.

bring back bushido blade on ps4 and one and id buy one

..that game was broken, primitive, and fugly.. and I think I spent more time with it than ANY fighting game on the PSOne. lol

What exactly do you want a "next gen" fighting game to do?

Cook you breakfast?

The genre has been largely the same for 20 years because there isn't really anywhere to go with the genre that wouldn't fundamentally change it into something other than a fighter.

2 people stand facing one another, announcer says "fight", and you beat on each other. What is there to add?

RPG elements?

@Bruin1986

They don't have to add anything..... They just have to stop lying..... The consoles them selves are barely "Next-Gen".....

That's "barely Next gen"??? EVERYTHING has been improved and games like SS, KZSF, Forza 5, and Rise already Sh!t on last gen offerings and they're launch titles.

@OhSnapitz

All Graphics and No Gameplay........

Theres not a single "next-gen" that wouldn't work on the PS3 if they just downgraded the graphics.... The gameplay would be the same....

@EnergyAbsorber:

yup cause only capcom does this...... sigh that joke is so poor that its terrible and kinda sad to still see it. ya know damn well sega, namco and arc system works does the same exact thing to their fighters.

So define "Next gen" because you're basically saying NOTHING is "Next gen" regardless of the platform (that includes PC).

@OhSnapitz

Generations are stupid.

Hows that for a definition ?

Typical for you. Thank you.

@OhSnapitz

You're welcome.... Now go back to your delusions.

The consoles are the subsequent generation of hardware offerings by the major manufacturers.

They are, by definition, "next-generation"

It's not a subjective term or open to interpretation.

That's a meaningless statement.

You either have "stupid" console generations, or you're still playing on the Nintendo NES.

Would you prefer the latter? Because there are countless gameplay aspects in today's games that would be impossible on a NES.

Define "Next Gen" . Is it something related to graphics or gameplay .? Or is it just about release dates .?

Next gen this , next gen that .

@Bruin1986

Hey thats allright.... Gens are still stupid..... Alot of things in this medium are stupid.

@Bruin1986

You could do the same thing with PC from now and 30 years ago......

I'm all for better hardware..... I'm just not into buzzwords like "Next-Gen". Could you explain to me why we're still saying "Next-Gen" instead of 8th Gen ?

Dead or Alive has good teaching tools, as do Blazblue, Killer Instinct (seriously, the tutorial here is insanely good), and Injustice. And yes, Injustice does show frame data in the movelist.

Soul Calibur also has wonderful teaching tools. Likely because Namco.

You know whats really funny ? No Backwards Compatibility........

Instead you get 8th Gen ports that you have to buy again.....

Are car generations "stupid"? Should Formula 1 still be racing Ford Model T's around the track?

How about medicine? Would you prefer to have surgery without anesthesia like in the good ole' days?

Practically everything created by man is "generational" in one regard or another...

Habits die hard. Same thing occurred last generation with people calling the xbox 360 and PS3 "next gen" consoles until like 2007-2008.

You could roughly do the same thing...just not nearly as well. Online networking, physics simulation, number of AI, AI complexity, graphics, scale, etc.

You can do the "same" thing in a P51 Mustang as you can do in a F-22 Raptor. Would you be willing to go to war in a P51 Mustang today? After all...they're basically the same thing.

@Bruin1986

1) Thats not a generation thats a racing Discipline.

2)Medicine doesn't have "Gens" they go with whats better. Its also not a form of entertainment.

I get it.... You love this medium.... But its far from perfect and I mean very far !

As long crap like Exclusivity lack of Backwards Compatibilty persist then yep.... "gens" are stupid.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but fighting games started on arcade machines. It's interesting that after all this time, most mechanics seem to remain the same. It's also why i've lost interest in most fighting games. I just get one when it looks interesting liek Injustice of MK9. Looking forward to X just because it's MK.

Budokai 3 is still the best IMHO.

@Bruin1986

I have no Idea what those are but I do know the most popular aircraft for war just so happens to be one of those nimble stunt planes..... There multipurpose, they are to airplanes what the VW Beetle was to cars back in the day.....

I agree. Street Fighter 4 looked clunky. With the hardware at hand now, I bet really good 2d animation is possible--but it is likely far more expensive as well.............................Or maybe a technique like Nonikun.

I could just as easily reword the F1 comment asking would you prefer that they still race the cars from the 1940s?

Medicine not being a form of "entertainment" is irrelevant. The same principle applies. Game developers/publishers go with "whats better", just as medicine does.

I hardly "love" the medium. I literally haven't played a console game from start to finish in years.

I simply don't understand how there is any alternative.

@stationplay_4:

I came to say the same thing. Im still waiting for that good DBZ game like Budokai 3.

All the DBZ games last gen were terribad and nothing but cheap cash-ins