Next Gen Fighting Games

I'm very curious what "nimble stunt plane" you are referring to.

Anyway, in my particular scenario, the F-22 would shoot the P-51 down before the P-51 pilot even knew there was a fight going on. lol

@Bruin1986

Go ahead and reword.... Believe or not that is still its own Discipline, not a generation. You'd be surprized how quick those 1940's machines are.

As for medicine.... They don't have "gens".... And even if they did it wouldn't nearly be as ridiculous as video games are.

The Alternative is to buy into this medium's obsession with labels such as "gens". The alternative is to not take Microsoft and Sony's word for it when they say "Next-Gen" as if it actually means anything other than a new console.....

You don't have to though.... Thats the beauty of free will. It lets you believe whatever you want to believe.

@Bruin1986

Its those tiny planes they have at an airshow.... They can fly really low so they can avoid detection and are easily modifieble to have larger fuel tanks or customized weapons..... Its the swiss army knife of airplanes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobatics

Believe it or not these macines are quite difficult to shoot down.... The Italians loved using them during the war.... Plus even if they were inferior, they could still buil a butt load of them and overwhelm the enemy with sheer brute force.... Its lovely machine...

I don't know what people are expecting but we'll not be playing games ala The Matrix any time soon.

I don't think he's joking but is still funny.

Xbox One got Killer Instincts. Wii U got Brawl. PS4 got...HD version of last gen game.

@Gue1

Hows it funny ?

You'l forgive me if I don't easily accept the premise of not being able to side step projectiles like the rest of you do.... and why do characters with only four limbs need 6 buttons ? Thats completely unnecessary..... I also have an issue with the Super and Ultra gauges but thats not as important.....

Xrd.... GG is the very best fighting series. lol KI...

There aren't nearly as many fighting games like there were in the PS1 era. Its kind of disappointing, the fighting genre is still one of my favorites. There needs to be more 3D fighters, Im probably a minority but i love 3D fighters way more than 2D.

@vincent380

I hope Mortal Kombat X goes back to 3D....

One thing I've always hated about 2D Fighting Games is how much effort it took just to get the characters to move any considerable distance........ This was quite annoying in in Mortal Kombat 9 since double tapping only made a character move a short distance....

Naruto may not have great fighting mechanics but its mobility was fantastic. Tenkaich 3 was even better.... You could actually hide in that game.

Limiting the Dimensions also limits mobility.

@Lulu_Lulu:

You really have no idea what you're talking about in regards to fighting games.

If I showed you characters in 2D fighters with absurd mobility, you'd still complain because it's not a 3D plane.

I predict:

1) Better graphics

2) More destructible environments

Other than that I honestly don't see where they can go with the Fighting genre.

@Boddicker:

Fighting Games, at least the ones that stick to the traditional format, i.e. SF or Tekken, mostly revolve around set fundamentals of play that tend to be applicable to most other games. The differences between each games come from the mechanics and how they're handled. Growth within the genre also comes from these things, though having more things doesn't always result in a better, inherently deeper game be default. And as the games are competitively driven, deviating too far away from the standard in some cases would result in some unwanted results, both in game and via actual play. There's a reason there aren't extremely weird/strange concepts in the games, and it's because they usually don't work.

For comparison, you wouldn't say every FPS is the same just because every game has you holding just a gun, or that every turn based RPG is the same just because you move through menus and do similar things. Not to say that you said that. I just like writing about fighters~

@OneSanitarium

Go ahead.... Show me. Fact is 2D is not condusive to movement back of the lact of a third dimension. But if you think there is one out there then by all means... Feel free to share.

Of course, there is a chance these examples will be lost on you if you don't play the games or at least understand them.

Chipp in Guilty Gear is very fast, has teleports into many different areas, has multiple air jumps and an air dash, and can use the walls of the area to launch him in a direction for strong pressure and Oki. He also has different movement options with one of his special moves and how he uses it, since he can cancel it and cross the entire screen in less than a second, and still have mobility options after it. Also has a trait where he can cancel one of his normals in the air to alter his jump trajectory which makes very tricky situations.

Millia in the same game is also very fast, with a quick walk speed, and decent aerial options to change how she moves and get in. Also an incredibly strong mixup game. I-no's dash puts her in the air, and she can act out of it with attacks, or dash/jump from it. As well as canceling one of HER normals to change movement uniquely as well. General Stuffs.

In HnK, Toki can be anywhere he wants, with different dashes, as well as telports. Additionally, the Boost mechanic lets him change momentum on all of his moves, as well as cancel out of them instantly if he wishes to. HnK has a fairly slow normal dash velocity, but Toki (and Rei) can still be pretty crazy.

KoF in general has a ton of movement options in general. 4 jumps, at any time, fast dashes, cancelable back dashes into some air moves (which can be either for offense or deffense, if you do, say, Iori's air command normals his backdash goes almost full screen).

3D fighters are more general momentum base, since they have moves that will miss if you move forward or backward in relation to the screen, and certain moves that track that direction and the like. But 2D fighters are not lacking in general movement at all times. They are also, pretty much factually, much MUCH faster than 3D fighters are. Attack wise, 2D fighters ARE faster. Movement wise, depends on the game.

@OneSanitarium

2 Characters in a fighting is not exactly compelling now is it.... As for King of Fighters..... Haven't played it since 99 but its mobility was decent at best....

even the slowest character in DoA, Bass Armstrong, can cover a larger distance with simple ease. Where else most games have you double tap a direction just for a short quick dash.... DOA allows you to main that pace in all four directions, backwards fowards and side to side and thats before we got to to evasion experts like Hayabusa and Ayane.... Love that game..... Beneath all that boobage is a pretty decent fight engine...

Yep just like the KOF 13 sprites.

@OhSnapitz: how stupid are you?

of cource they would remake it for the next gen and fix problems

Dead genres which create a shitload of revenue for namco, which makes the most popular fg worldwide.

@Lulu_Lulu:

Plenty of characters in GG can move well, same for most air dashers because of...welll..air movement in general. Good mobility in a game like SF would come from walk speed, since that's important to fundamentals.

Saying KOF mobility is decent at best is silly. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm not going to reply to you anymore because not only are examples lost on you, you just really have no idea what your talking about. DOA5 is a good game. Maybe you should play that instead of trying to tell people it's better than the fighters they like.

@nini200:

Nope. They used low detail 3D models and then drew over them. Not technically 3D, though the next KOF may move to 3D in favor of how Xrd does it.

A 3D model is a 3D model regardless of the detail.

There, that's it: complain more. That'll make the game more understandable and enjoyable for you.

You seem to think you have the authority to make all of these grand comments on fighting game mechanics; if you're so good at them to the point where you can criticize them, play me. My GGPO is Vampire_Saviour as well as my PSN.

Show me what's "too complicated" about TTT2, or how projectiles make Capcom fighters "unbalanced."

@OneSanitarium

You'l forgive me If I don't buy into the premise of of performing 6 double dashes for just moving from one side of the screen to the other..... Mobility shouldn't require more button presses than performing a special move..... Thats just wrong.....

@X_CAPCOM_X

I don't play online..... If I'm gona kick your ass in game I wana see that sweet look on your face when I do it.... :p thats just something online gaming can never give you....

@nini200:

But it only started as a 3D model. The end product is a 2D pixel art sprite. It's no longer 3D.

Naw just say ggs online.

Well isn't that convenient. What tournaments do you play in/arcade do you play at? I'm expecting you to be at this level with your critique of every single game.

Take your comment in this post for example: who are you to say how many inputs are required to divine your will in the game of choice? Everyone plays by the same rules. In TTT2, it requires multiple backdash cancels to traverse the screen, and I still play people who consistently backstep out of my dEWGF range. Instead of complaining, I deal with it. What you're basically saying is that you don't want to learn how to deal with it. Instead you'd want the bar to be set lower for you (after losing a match: "this is too complicated!"). The reason I'm coming down on you so hard about this is because scrubs like you who complain about mechanics (which the real reason that they lost is because they suck ass) have caused multiple capcom devs to make SF into a shitty scrub fest of floaty jumps and input shortcuts etc.

Fighting games are some of the last true head-to-head video games alive, since the contest between the players transcends simple game mechanics.

@X_CAPCOM_X

Well I've never played in a Fighting Game Tournament.... We don't have any that I know of unless if you want to count that one time some guy beat the entire neighbourhood kids, including me, on the Street Fighter arcade machine, I swear to god he was cheating..... Its usually just FPS and FIFA tournaments.... Thats the popular stuff here.

Anyway I've never lost a match because of Back Dashing...... I just find it a complete nuisance.... Its an arbitrary thing that we should no longer have to put up with..... And as long as this archaic philsosphy of Designing Things to be complext just for the Sake of being complex then transcending the mechanics becomes rather difficult to do..... Especially if I have to way my options between performing a complex combo and preserving the safety of my Controller. I need that left stick in other games y'know....