Next Gen Xbox should be more lika PC !

This way - all could be happy. Full IE or Some variety of web browser - Console games wouldnt necessarily have to be ported or not, able to just pop in and play and have the ability to adjust the game setting. A keyboard and mouse or an analog controller could be used. More diverse application, as in could be used as a desktop....and maybe even the ability to upgrade components like CPU and GFX .? Could work - i think . .

EDIT: *Ahem* This could also cut down on the capabilities of Pirating, given the Consoles ability to make copying the disks a lot more difficult. Of course we'll probably never get to see an end of Pirating go away. But would be a lot more difficult..

console upgrades are an awful idea . it kills the whole point in having one .

why not just get a PC than???

if next gen xbox should be like a pc, then why not buy a pc instead?

Microsoft will definately move to having more multimedia functions, but it'll still be a closed console (unfortunately). Things like hardware upgrades likely won't be implemented because consoles are designed for ease of use, and is targeted towards a different audience.

This way - all could be happy. Full IE or Some variety of web browser - Console games wouldnt necessarily have to be ported or not, able to just pop in and play and have the ability to adjust the game setting. A keyboard and mouse or an analog controller could be used. More diverse application, as in could be used as a desktop....and maybe even the ability to upgrade components like CPU and GFX .? Could work - i think . .

Xsan3

I think this could be a big sucess how bout they call it Windows

if next gen xbox should be like a pc, then why not buy a pc instead?

valium88

Buying an Xbox that's upgradable like a PC would not only be dumb, but expensive. First off, you'd have to pay for internet, and would have to buy MS peripherals, considering MS would make all outside 3rd party peripherals incompatible with the Box, unless solely approved by MS. Which all peripherals work on a PC already and online gaming is free(provided you pay for ISP.)

Secondly, you'd still have a closed platform, where you can only play Xbox games.

Thirdly, most companies put out warranties on computers and consoles, because they have a sticker that blocks you from opening it that says ,"Warranty void if seal is broken."

Hmmm let me think, a PC made by MS which means Im tied to buying things from them only and I can get robbed to play online or I could just build a PC. I wonder which one I will go with :P. I hope the next gen of consoles stops trying (and failing) to emulate a pc, while the PS3 and 360 are amazing bits of kit I don't want all the extra media stuff.

well if things go the way im thinking the next xbox will probably make the pc obsolete except for those who like customization mods and resolution/high frameratecoltgames

PS3 hasn't made the 360 obsolete, so why would the next Xbox do that for the PC?

Point im trying to get at is, PC gamers and Console gamers would both still have games, and PC gamers wouldnt have to settle for Console Ports. It could be the same game. Also--being that consoles are very limited as to game Mods, and not being able to play RTS - this gives it a bit of an edge.
Further - make the Xbox affordable, just as it is now. And if you're wanting to get more power out of it later to increase graphics, then buy a new card.

Someone mention warranty is voided if seal is broken - Obviously the HDD is easily replaced - so could the CPU and GFX, sorta like a laptop...

because the pc and 360 are very alike the ps3 is not. 360 and PC share multiplats the 360 has all ready taken games away from the PC halo , gears, alan wake the 360 also appeals to more people and more convient ease of use . Microsofg backs both of them and i think microsoft would rather have u game on 360 then PC also u can even usd windows on xbox its going to happencoltgames

You mean alike in terms of architecture? Well in that case, the 360 didn't make the PC obsolete, so why would the next Xbox? Mircrosoft has removed itself from PC gaming heavily, especially in terms of developing games. They would rather you game on 360 because that way they earn money from sales of the 360 hardware and software. Neither of which they earn on PC, unless the software is 1st party.

Products that use the same technology and created by different companies still compete heavily (look at TV's and things like Blu-Ray/DVD players) and neither make each other obsolete. The only way it happens is when something more technologically advanced comes out, i.e. higher resolution TV's. However that is unlikely to happen to PC, considering it's technology is constantly evolving.

Hmmm let me think, a PC made by MS which means Im tied to buying things from them only and I can get robbed to play online or I could just build a PC. I wonder which one I will go with :P. I hope the next gen of consoles stops trying (and failing) to emulate a pc, while the PS3 and 360 are amazing bits of kit I don't want all the extra media stuff.

SapSacPrime

So combining the two, an affordable multi-versitle unit - ugradable in the future if you want / not like you would have to. The games themselves would be adjustable for your specific likes or dislikes. Everyone wins...

It should be like a PC in fuctionality but not like a PC in tediousness (no upgradings and overly complex techno mumbojumbo...for the mass market).

MS would have a pretty interesting product if they could pull it off.

[QUOTE="coltgames"]because the pc and 360 are very alike the ps3 is not. 360 and PC share multiplats the 360 has all ready taken games away from the PC halo , gears, alan wake the 360 also appeals to more people and more convient ease of use . Microsofg backs both of them and i think microsoft would rather have u game on 360 then PC also u can even usd windows on xbox its going to happenlundy86_4

You mean alike in terms of architecture? Well in that case, the 360 didn't make the PC obsolete, so why would the next Xbox? Mircrosoft has removed itself from PC gaming heavily, especially in terms of developing games. They would rather you game on 360 because that way they earn money from sales of the 360 hardware and software. Neither of which they earn on PC, unless the software is 1st party.

Products that use the same technology and created by different companies still compete heavily (look at TV's and things like Blu-Ray/DVD players) and neither make each other obsolete. The only way it happens is when something more technologically advanced comes out, i.e. higher resolution TV's. However that is unlikely to happen to PC, considering it's technology is constantly evolving.

good points . i still think next gen xbox is going cut down pc gaming not completely get rid of it but i could be wrongcoltgames

Well it's all speculation, so you could be right :P

I just think there is far more evidence that it will not infringe on PC in any meaningful way. AFter all, the PC industry has been growing in revenue considerably recently.

It should be like a PC in fuctionality but not like a PC in tediousness (no upgradings and overly complex techno mumbojumbo...for the mass market).

MS would have a pretty interesting product if they could pull it off.

Human-after-all

Why have just a regular ol console - when you can have the ability to add or swapp what you want? And its not like im saying you have to install the game like a PC, it could simply load like a regular Console game. However - it wouldnt have limited programming like a console game, it would have a lot more freedoms that a PC game would have. Like the MODS and stuff.

As well - you could use a KB&M or an Analog controller....Web browse, and stream video...You wouldnt necissarily need an entire Windows OS - maybe a cut down verison or a specific OS that works very similar...But have some ability to add the most popular programs --or heck, even a full OS would be great...

so basically an extremely closed PC that has limited capabilities. That isnt very compelling for a developer, they probably would greatly prefer having an open platform opposed to a closed platform.ferret-gamer

Why not just buy a gaming PC?Merex760

[QUOTE="Merex760"]Why not just buy a gaming PC?Xsan3

What's the point? There's one central question here: is it open like a PC, or a closed platform like current consoles?

If it's closed: if you can't add whatever hardware you want, run whatever code you want, or modify games however you want, PC gamers won't embrace it. No market growth there. On top of that, if you can have hardware of differing performance levels, there goes the simplicity of console gaming.

If it's open: if you can add whatever hardware you want, that means adding whatever drivers you want - there goes the stability of console gaming. If you can run unsigned code, that means MS can't enforce a royalty - there goes the lower upfront cost of console gaming, and there also goes the testing/certification and single sign on identity management of console gaming. And once again, you'd still lose the simplicity of a single hardware spec. In short, you'd make a product that loses almost all the advantages of console gaming. The only one you'd have left is an interface that's purpose-built for the living room, and clearly PC gamers aren't exactly interested in that, or someone would have made a popular one by now.

So, what new market would this product actually be able to attract? Because I can't see an existing one that it would appeal to.

For teh last two posts--

1)For Parts swap - it would have to be made simple...And maybe not every single graphics cards would necissarily fit - but a lot of manufatures could stamp an XBOX compatible on it somewhere?

2)Closed system to a certain degree...The most popular programs could be install - say like MS-Office, itunes etc..And since the World has gone MP3, it wouldnt need a burner or burning software. Ud need to limit software that is loaded - like NO torrent software and stuff llke that..

I forgot what it was and I don't really remember correctly, but I did read that the reason the PS3 took out OS is because they wanted to evade taxes in a region. Sure consoles should be more like PCs in some ways but no, consoles should be consoles.

maybe even the ability to upgrade components like CPU and GFX

Xsan3

This is one of the reasons consoles were invented, so people didn't have to deal with that stuff. That'll never happen.

I forgot what it was and I don't really remember correctly, but I did read that the reason the PS3 took out OS is because they wanted to evade taxes in a region. Sure consoles should be more like PCs in some ways but no, consoles should be consoles.

gago-gago

Ifone car only had the option to 50mph, and another car had the option to whichever speed i prefer for the same price, I;ll choose the various speed one.

2)Closed system to a certain degree...The most popular programs could be install - say like MS-Office, itunes etc..And since the World has gone MP3, it wouldnt need a burner or burning software. Ud need to limit software that is loaded - like NO torrent software and stuff llke that..

Xsan3

If i have more ability to configure my Console or PC or whatever else i have - for the same price I would have paid to Not have the option - - - - I prefer to have more options...

Xsan3

You can't; that's the point. It's called a tradeoff. Adding options to consoles is contrary to the business model, and has some negative technical effects as well (increased testing costs, for example).

For teh last two posts--

1)For Parts swap - it would have to be made simple...And maybe not every single graphics cards would necissarily fit - but a lot of manufatures could stamp an XBOX compatible on it somewhere?

2)Closed system to a certain degree...The most popular programs could be install - say like MS-Office, itunes etc..And since the World has gone MP3, it wouldnt need a burner or burning software. Ud need to limit software that is loaded - like NO torrent software and stuff llke that..

Xsan3

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]

I forgot what it was and I don't really remember correctly, but I did read that the reason the PS3 took out OS is because they wanted to evade taxes in a region. Sure consoles should be more like PCs in some ways but no, consoles should be consoles.

Xsan3

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

2)Closed system to a certain degree...The most popular programs could be install - say like MS-Office, itunes etc..And since the World has gone MP3, it wouldnt need a burner or burning software. Ud need to limit software that is loaded - like NO torrent software and stuff llke that..

lowe0

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]

I forgot what it was and I don't really remember correctly, but I did read that the reason the PS3 took out OS is because they wanted to evade taxes in a region. Sure consoles should be more like PCs in some ways but no, consoles should be consoles.

Xsan3

Ifone car only had the option to 50mph, and another car had the option to whichever speed i prefer for the same price, I;ll choose the various speed one.

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]

I forgot what it was and I don't really remember correctly, but I did read that the reason the PS3 took out OS is because they wanted to evade taxes in a region. Sure consoles should be more like PCs in some ways but no, consoles should be consoles.

HuusAsking

PS--if you think today's Consoles are Simple compared to much earilier Consoles - then u've been under a rock....Consoles have gotten Way more complicated over the years...And folks love the 360 over a Super Nintendo.. Why? Better graphics and more options

Why not just use a real computer rather than a dumbed down one?RK-Mara

Lemme say it like this - - If I could go spend $2-300 on a new Xbox, and does everything just like and Xbox - looks, navigation - all that..AND Simply pop in a game and it even loads like a regular Xbox.

Now - in the menu selection - theres a Desktop button...that now lets me use a regular looking computer. I can install just about every program im used to.

And say in a few months - I want to improve teh graphics a bit, I now have teh option to search for a new Graphics card and pop it in, or maybe increase some ram - maybe even a new CPU...

Of course, I dont have to do any of this - all of the games would play just fine as-is... But, for example - if u've ever played L4D on a PC and then switch to a console - that games looks horrible in comparison. Thats what i would be looking forward to.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]

2)Closed system to a certain degree...The most popular programs could be install - say like MS-Office, itunes etc..And since the World has gone MP3, it wouldnt need a burner or burning software. Ud need to limit software that is loaded - like NO torrent software and stuff llke that..

Xsan3

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Okay, but how would that either bring new players to the platform, or lure away players from other consoles? If upgradable hardware was important enough to base our platform selection on, wouldn't we have just gone with PCs already?lowe0

Lemme say it like this - - If I could go spend $2-300 on a new Xbox, and does everything just like and Xbox - looks, navigation - all that..AND Simply pop in a game and it even loads like a regular Xbox.

Now - in the menu selection - theres a Desktop button...that now lets me use a regular looking computer. I can install just about every program im used to.

And say in a few months - I want to improve teh graphics a bit, I now have teh option to search for a new Graphics card and pop it in, or maybe increase some ram - maybe even a new CPU...

Of course, I dont have to do any of this - all of the games would play just fine as-is... But, for example - if u've ever played L4D on a PC and then switch to a console - that games looks horrible in comparison. Thats what i would be looking forward to.

Xsan3

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]No--like ive repeated in this post a couple times , a lot of people out there cant afford a gaming pc nor have the knowledge. This way you pay the small price of a console - but if you choose to have a more powerful system in the future, just buy waht u want.

Xsan3

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] But if it can run PC games unmodified, then how are you going to keep the cost down? Consoles are only cheap because the R&D and initially sky-high production cost are subsidized by game royalties. It's not until later when production costs come down that consoles start to break even, let alone turn a profit. Without that royalty revenue stream, what reason does MS have to offer hardware at loss-leader prices?lowe0

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

Lemme say it like this - - If I could go spend $2-300 on a new Xbox, and does everything just like and Xbox - looks, navigation - all that..AND Simply pop in a game and it even loads like a regular Xbox.

Now - in the menu selection - theres a Desktop button...that now lets me use a regular looking computer. I can install just about every program im used to.

And say in a few months - I want to improve teh graphics a bit, I now have teh option to search for a new Graphics card and pop it in, or maybe increase some ram - maybe even a new CPU...

Of course, I dont have to do any of this - all of the games would play just fine as-is... But, for example - if u've ever played L4D on a PC and then switch to a console - that games looks horrible in comparison. Thats what i would be looking forward to.

Human-after-all

Once you start having upgradable components you have to start dealing with driver updates, compatibility issues. It is completely against the current appeal of consoles to the masses. Human-after-all

But if I have the choice - why not? That is - if there ever would be an issue wtih drivers or whatever - if there is, Im sure folks would be talking about and would also be able to return thier product upgrade and just go back to stock...