Next Gen Xbox should be more lika PC !

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]Once you start having upgradable components you have to start dealing with driver updates, compatibility issues. It is completely against the current appeal of consoles to the masses. Xsan3

But if I have the choice - why not?

...So youre saying that it would be pretty much a PC. Not a console. RiiiiiightIantheone

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]Once you start having upgradable components you have to start dealing with driver updates, compatibility issues. It is completely against the current appeal of consoles to the masses. Human-after-all

But if I have the choice - why not?

console upgrades are an awful idea . it kills the whole point in having one .

dontshackzmii

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

console upgrades are an awful idea . it kills the whole point in having one .

Kokuro_Kun

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]Well in that case - Dont buy the upgrades? U would never have to..Thats the whole point. Its fine as is! But if u decide to come to taht choice, then thats always a possibility...but are things called reviews that would probably be mentioning issues like those and discourage folks from buying it.

But if I have the choice - why not?

Xsan3

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[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] So what happens when developers create games for the upgraded components that wont work on the stock ones? What is the point of upgrading components if they create a game to run well on basic set?Human-after-all

Also-Ur referring to the Original XBOX and The PS2 - what happened to those? U had to buy a whole new system anyway.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"]

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]Um-Are you referring to Games like CRYSIS ? What has been done about that? Have you been able to play Crysis on your Console yet? Or how about StarCraft II ? When will that be coming to Console? OR Maybe WOW ? Nope - oooo What about Diablo III ?

Xsan3

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] I am referring to what happens when people who have the base console can no longer play games because they have to upgrade? Defeats the purpose of the console.

Human-after-all

This is why some folks spends thousands on thier pc

The only thing console developers should do is allow users to take out the disc drive, and other parts with ease to replace them when broken. Use parts that you can buy at any store. This would cut down on their costs as most people would gladly buy their own parts and replace them.

Seeings how this gen has been nothing short of a desaster as far as hardware reliability goes..Just let us the consumers take care of it.

This is my last Rebuttal - All im sayinng is that , I prefer options. What you all are saying is, You'd rather have a Car with 3 wheels than 4.

just upgrading components. that way next gen can last 15 years no sweat. every 3-5 years the put an updated graphics card on the market. the N64 had a RAM update so its not absurd. it'll be good for Devs and cheaper in the long run. mayceV

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]Why would a game developer create a game taht woudl require and upgrade? They would lose so much money from people not wanting to buy the upgrades? And the game developers wouldnt be making money on the Hardware anyway? Think about that...

Xsan3

No thats an awful idea and I will make points as to why.

The point of the console is, you dont need to update parts, engines improve meanins devs can kick in more graphical goodness.

What point would there be too add in new graphics card or cpu. What to get maybe an extra few pixels? Or are you talking about a big upgrade? If so then why not just a new system and please dont use the whole "but pc gamers gets new cards all the time". Yes new cards come out but you dont need to buy every new one.

Mods you say? Would'nt that go against what MS does with charging crazy prices for DLC? Yeah sure they are going to let you add free stuff to your game when they could be making money instead.

Web browsing on a tv is really awful, going by what PS3 and Wii can do with theirs, no thanks.

I am confused on how you think it will help fight piracy, you say it should be as open as the pc, so surely it would get the same level of piracy the pc gets?

Point is, if the stuff you are saying a console should have are already in a pc. Why downgrade it when you can have these things already in the pc?

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] Then why have upgrades? Hardware makers will lose money because nobody has to upgrade. So again, what is the point for having upgradable hardware? You have yet to give a valid reason as to why this is actually a good idea for a console.Human-after-all

And by consoles - are you referring to the PS3 as well? Cause last time i checked - u can install Linux quite well.

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]So you would have a better looking game. A lot of Console games look Horrid comared to a PC version.

Xsan3

No thats an awful idea and I will make points as to why.

The point of the console is, you dont need to update parts, engines improve meanins devs can kick in more graphical goodness.

What point would there be too add in new graphics card or cpu. What to get maybe an extra few pixels? Or are you talking about a big upgrade? If so then why not just a new system and please dont use the whole "but pc gamers gets new cards all the time". Yes new cards come out but you dont need to buy every new one.

Mods you say? Would'nt that go against what MS does with charging crazy prices for DLC? Yeah sure they are going to let you add free stuff to your game when they could be making money instead.

Web browsing on a tv is really awful, going by what PS3 and Wii can do with theirs, no thanks.

I am confused on how you think it will help fight piracy, you say it should be as open as the pc, so surely it would get the same level of piracy the pc gets?

Point is, if the stuff you are saying a console should have are already in a pc. Why downgrade it when you can have these things already in the pc?

Mitazaki

And a few extra pixels? Can u play Crysis on a console yet? And if u ever get the chance, it'll never look as good as on PC. World in Conflict? Or even the ability to even play an RTS? Even L4D looks like Garbage compared to the PC version.

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] That isn't an appealing idea to mass console market. There would be lawsuits and headaches galore when having hardware bugs. If you open up the console then people will start creating viruses and you will need to start getting virus scanners and malware removers. From a pure financial standpoint the head ache is not worth it. Consoles will stay closed for some time. Human-after-all

[QUOTE="mayceV"]just upgrading components. that way next gen can last 15 years no sweat. every 3-5 years the put an updated graphics card on the market. the N64 had a RAM update so its not absurd. it'll be good for Devs and cheaper in the long run. Xsan3

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="mayceV"]just upgrading components. that way next gen can last 15 years no sweat. every 3-5 years the put an updated graphics card on the market. the N64 had a RAM update so its not absurd. it'll be good for Devs and cheaper in the long run. mayceV

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]Thats jsut a made up theory - what do you think PC gamers do every day? Its nowhere near a headache. Do u even own a gaming PC ?

Xsan3

[QUOTE="Mitazaki"]

No thats an awful idea and I will make points as to why.

The point of the console is, you dont need to update parts, engines improve meanins devs can kick in more graphical goodness.

What point would there be too add in new graphics card or cpu. What to get maybe an extra few pixels? Or are you talking about a big upgrade? If so then why not just a new system and please dont use the whole "but pc gamers gets new cards all the time". Yes new cards come out but you dont need to buy every new one.

Mods you say? Would'nt that go against what MS does with charging crazy prices for DLC? Yeah sure they are going to let you add free stuff to your game when they could be making money instead.

Web browsing on a tv is really awful, going by what PS3 and Wii can do with theirs, no thanks.

I am confused on how you think it will help fight piracy, you say it should be as open as the pc, so surely it would get the same level of piracy the pc gets?

Point is, if the stuff you are saying a console should have are already in a pc. Why downgrade it when you can have these things already in the pc?

Xsan3

And a few extra pixels? Can u play Crysis on a console yet? And if u ever get the chance, it'll never look as good as on PC. World in Conflict? Or even the ability to even play an RTS? Even L4D looks like Garbage compared to the PC version.

The problem you are missing is, the key difference between xbox and pc. 1 xbox is owned by Microsoft and 2 pc is owned by no one, its an open platform.

To be able to add no parts into a console would cause problems, what do you expect Nvidia, Ati, Intel, Amd, etc to make parts so microsoft can profit from them? Or do you expect microsoft to start making pc like parts for their console.

So Microsoft licensed games on pc is not the same as on console. Microsoft make no money when it comes to pc gaming, any pc game sold they get nothing unlike with a console game, which is why console games are more expensive. So with that in mind do you really think they are going to let modders in to add free stuff. Only one console game allows this, so if Microsoft really wanted this on their system, dont you think they would have done it by now.

Again im still confused on this piracy, installed or played like a console it would still be the same. Look at the Wii and 360, only system that managed to give a good fight to it was the PS3.

You dont need to add in more stuff to be able to play an RTS like PC, all consoles have USB ports, its up to the either Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony to allow them to work on their system and if the devs decide they want to use them. PS3 was able to use it for UT3.

So for Crysis on console, you want the console to be just like the pc then? Been able to upgrade the parts so it can play games like these. Why not get a PC then? The whole point of a console is that its simple to use, no upgrades needed through its lifespan, tough luck you wont get the PC experience on a console.

Really what you are wanting is an open system on a closed system.

And no, you would think but it would add a longer lifespan on to the console but the problem is by doing so neither Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft would make any profit till the next system came out. Only one of them is sort of a hardware company but if I remember right Sony dont make gaming parts, so they would need to rely on Ati, Nvidia, etc to do that. Now when they sell parts for PC they get full profit, do you really think either Sony, Nintendo or Microsoft would like that?

Again the problem is you cant have a PC like system on a closed platform, there is too many problems.

Consoles are cheap because they are essentially stripped of many things.Human-after-all

why not just get a PC than???

JuanGrande386

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]Im not saying eveade teh console. The system would work exactly the same way as a console - no more no less. The difference being is - you would have Options. If i have more ability to configure my Console or PC or whatever else i have - for the same price I would have paid to Not have the option - - - - I prefer to have more options...

Xsan3

PS--if you think today's Consoles are Simple compared to much earilier Consoles - then u've been under a rock....Consoles have gotten Way more complicated over the years...And folks love the 360 over a Super Nintendo.. Why? Better graphics and more options

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"] So what happens when developers create games for the upgraded components that wont work on the stock ones? What is the point of upgrading components if they create a game to run well on basic set?Human-after-all

if next gen xbox should be like a pc, then why not buy a pc instead?

valium88

[QUOTE="Human-after-all"][QUOTE="Xsan3"]So you would have a better looking game. A lot of Console games look Horrid comared to a PC version.

Xsan3

And by consoles - are you referring to the PS3 as well? Cause last time i checked - u can install Linux quite well.

ok let me refer you to why most gamers do not use pc ne more ,

ok let me refer you to why most gamers do not use pc ne more ,

mariokart64fan

ok let me refer you to why most gamers do not use pc ne more ,

mariokart64fan

ok let me refer you to why most gamers do not use pc ne more ,

mariokart64fan

I was actually thinking about this. Why would it hurt if you can install Linux or some form of Windows on it? It'd definitely work much ebtter as an entertainment center overall if that was allowed.

Next generation Xbox should be LESS like a PC.

I was actually thinking about this. Why would it hurt if you can install Linux or some form of Windows on it? It'd definitely work much ebtter as an entertainment center overall if that was allowed.

magnax1

People are overlooking much of the idea.

Hardware like video cards have a huge chance to become swappable like current 360 hard drives. There would end up being a massive market for it. Consolites talk trash but I bet if MS offered up a new swappable gfx card to make all of their games for 360 look better at $100, they would eat it up. It's not something they could do too often but if they planted it halfway through a lifecycle it would sell.

Even swappable RAM has been done before.

It's a source of revenue neither Sony or MS have tapped into yet. Believe me, it WILL happen. Consoles are becoming nothing more than simplified, restricted computers anyway.

People are overlooking much of the idea.

Hardware like video cards have a huge chance to become swappable like current 360 hard drives. There would end up being a massive market for it. Consolites talk trash but I bet if MS offered up a new swappable gfx card to make all of their games for 360 look better at $100, they would eat it up. It's not something they could do too often but if they planted it halfway through a lifecycle it would sell.

Even swappable RAM has been done before.

It's a source of revenue neither Sony or MS have tapped into yet. Believe me, it WILL happen. Consoles are becoming nothing more than simplified, restricted computers anyway.

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Xsan3"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]The lack of options is part of what makes a console a console--Keep It Simple, Stupid, IOW.HuusAsking

PS--if you think today's Consoles are Simple compared to much earilier Consoles - then u've been under a rock....Consoles have gotten Way more complicated over the years...And folks love the 360 over a Super Nintendo.. Why? Better graphics and more options