Next Xbox will NOT require an always on connection.

'internal microsoft email'
More rumours.

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]Of course it won't, they wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot over something like that.. they will however lose sales because they will focus on kinect at not games people actually want.Wickerman777

Yeah, Kinect has sold a lot but in the meantime haven't sales of the Xbox 360 dropped off since its been around?

[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]Of course it won't, they wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot over something like that.. they will however lose sales because they will focus on kinect at not games people actually want.Wickerman777

Yeah, Kinect has sold a lot but in the meantime haven't sales of the Xbox 360 dropped off since its been around?

Yeah, Kinect has sold a lot but in the meantime haven't sales of the Xbox 360 dropped off since its been around?

Wickerman777

Correlation does not imply causation. Whilst it's possible the Kinect has slowed overall sales, it could just as easily be attributed to coming to the end of a generation.

'internal microsoft email'
More rumours.

KungfuKitten

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] Beyond 3D forums.Tessellation

Well, I hope the specs are different. A difference of 600 gflops is just too much for me to stick with Xbox. Xbox is the one I want to get but they have to provide me with a viable option and 1.2 tflops vs 1.8 tflops just isn't. And yeah, I know, I know... it's about the games. Pleasssse, this ain't Nintendo we're talking about here. There will be games aplenty available for both PS4 and Nextbox. I'm confident of that. What I'm not convinced of yet is that both of them are gonna deliver on decent hardware.

Yeah, everybody keeps saying it's impossible for them to add more CUs now. I don't see why it is, if there's a will there's a way it seems to me (And apparently the 12 CUs model has been around since early last year), but if it truly is impossible I guess they've painted themselves into a corner. Just can't imagine when they planning this thing out how someone at MS could have said to someone else, "Epic Games says next-gen should be 2.5 tfllops. Let's give em 1.2 tflops and Kinect instead." "Great idea!"

It's funny how people took rumors as facts...

Jak-25

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Very releived to hear this.  It surprises me it took this long for them to address this to their internal resources.  I guess they had a change of heart somewhere along the way.

 

Well, at least we know the 720 won't be giving Emporer Palpatine lessons on how to be completely evil.  That's a start.

blue_hazy_basic

He'll never admit to that, ever. He's injured right now so he needs something to cling on to. :P

Anyway, great news if true.

'internal microsoft email'
More rumours.

KungfuKitten

As I said in the thread that got locked that's great. But will Kinect be mandatory and will the specs still suck as they are rumored to? As far as neagative rumors go these last two issues have been a bigger deal to me than the always-online thing. Seems like a bad idea to me to even include Kinect 2 in the box. There's plenty of people that don't even want it and it's money that could have been spent on a beefier graphics chip and/or speedier RAM instead. If it absolutely has to be hooked up for the system to even work that's gonna turn a lot of people off. Should be sold separately for those that want it like the original Kinect was.

Wickerman777

Let's not forget this is also a rumor, but hey, still fun to watch the cows going crazy over some positive 720 news. Chances are, we'll be seeing plenty of bacpedaling and damage control on May 21st...

.Jack-Burton

[QUOTE="Jak-25"]

It's funny how people took rumors as facts...

kuraimen

Seems like more than just a rumor to me if it's an email that was sent out internally to the ENTIRE Xbox team. That sounds like something they wanted and expected to get out. And it makes sense to me. It allows them to squash a negative rumor before their big reveal. I don't see them addressing rumors at the reveal because companies like to only talk about positive things at big shows like that. Case in point, I expect that if the specs haven't changed then they won't even talk about specs at all at the reveal.

Fake article

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

As I said in the thread that got locked that's great. But will Kinect be mandatory and will the specs still suck as they are rumored to? As far as neagative rumors go these last two issues have been a bigger deal to me than the always-online thing. Seems like a bad idea to me to even include Kinect 2 in the box. There's plenty of people that don't even want it and it's money that could have been spent on a beefier graphics chip and/or speedier RAM instead. If it absolutely has to be hooked up for the system to even work that's gonna turn a lot of people off. Should be sold separately for those that want it like the original Kinect was.

AD216

Disrespect companies? Wtf, not like I personally know them, lol. I bring up Kinect because everytime I say I can't believe it'll be $500 with those specs someone says to me, "Well, Kinect is gonna be included. That's why it'll so high."

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Very releived to hear this.  It surprises me it took this long for them to address this to their internal resources.  I guess they had a change of heart somewhere along the way.

 

Well, at least we know the 720 won't be giving Emporer Palpatine lessons on how to be completely evil.  That's a start.

blue_hazy_basic

"Orth has been working as a creative director at Microsoft Studios on a game which is yet to be revealed since February 2012."

"Orth appeared to confirm a rumour that the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

So he wan't just creative director at Micorsoft studios he was also working on a game for nextbox...yeah, sure he wanted to lose his job by making things up.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Very releived to hear this.  It surprises me it took this long for them to address this to their internal resources.  I guess they had a change of heart somewhere along the way.

 

Well, at least we know the 720 won't be giving Emporer Palpatine lessons on how to be completely evil.  That's a start.

casharmy

"Orth has been working as a creative director at Microsoft Studios on a game which is yet to be revealed since February 2012."

"Orth appeared to confirm a rumour that the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

So he wan't just creative director at Micorsoft studios he was also working on a game for nextbox...yeah, sure he wanted to lose his job by making things up.

Teh Conspiracy !!

I would have been surprised if the always online rumors actually turned out to be true. I am pretty sure the guy was just joking.

LOL a rumor saying another rumor is false and lemmings are jumping on board? :cool: Lems gonna lem.I_can_haz

Yeah, reminds me of the cows who accepted the AO rumor as a fact so quickly, and claimed countless ownages over it...

We'll know the truth by 21st, but if you ask me, very little chance of AO being necessary for the 720. Doesn't seem overly rational... doubt anyone would risk making such a bold (and negative) move.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Very releived to hear this.  It surprises me it took this long for them to address this to their internal resources.  I guess they had a change of heart somewhere along the way.

 

Well, at least we know the 720 won't be giving Emporer Palpatine lessons on how to be completely evil.  That's a start.

casharmy

"Orth has been working as a creative director at Microsoft Studios on a game which is yet to be revealed since February 2012."

"Orth appeared to confirm a rumour that the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

So he wan't just creative director at Micorsoft studios he was also working on a game for nextbox...yeah, sure he wanted to lose his job by making things up.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Very releived to hear this. It surprises me it took this long for them to address this to their internal resources. I guess they had a change of heart somewhere along the way.

Well, at least we know the 720 won't be giving Emporer Palpatine lessons on how to be completely evil. That's a start.

casharmy

"Orth has been working as a creative director at Microsoft Studios on a game which is yet to be revealed since February 2012."

"Orth appeared to confirm a rumour that the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

So he wan't just creative director at Micorsoft studios he was also working on a game for nextbox...yeah, sure he wanted to lose his job by making things up.

Fake article

Davekeeh

how so?

I have to question who could be so gullible enough to actually believe some of these rumors? Some of these rumors were so bad and obviously fake that it is almost as if they were pulled an Onion article. I can't wait to really see what Microsoft has planned for the new xbox.

So it's confirmed huh. Guess I'm back on the bandwagon. MS FOR PRESIDENT

EDIT: Here's IGN's article

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/05/06/internal-microsoft-memo-reportedly-debunks-always-online-xbox

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Or the RUMOURS weren't true?Snugenz

"Orth has been working as a creative director at Microsoft Studios on a game which is yet to be revealed since February 2012."

"Orth appeared to confirm a rumour that the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

So he wan't just creative director at Micorsoft studios he was also working on a game for nextbox...yeah, sure he wanted to lose his job by making things up.

Teh Conspiracy !!

Fact is Adam Ortho *creative director of Micosoft Studios* was the most credible source of leaks we have heard from and the backlash that followed promted MS to act, first by issuing an public appology, then letting Ortho go as an employee and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the line NOW finally come out saying next box will be playable off line with single player games.

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]Yes because Adam Ortho was just iching to lose his job making a 6 figure salary trolling on the internet.

"Orth has been working as a creative director at Microsoft Studios on a game which is yet to be revealed since February 2012."

"Orth appeared to confirm a rumour that the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

So he wan't just creative director at Micorsoft studios he was also working on a game for nextbox...yeah, sure he wanted to lose his job by making things up.

casharmy

Teh Conspiracy !!

Fact is Adam Ortho *creative director of Micosoft Studios* was the most credible source of leaks we have heard from and the backlash that followed promted MS to act, first by issuing an public appology, then letting Ortho go as an employee and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the line NOW finally come out saying next box will be playable off line with single player games.

No, you're trying to make this into something its not.

You've no proof that Microsoft ever had the intention of creating an online-only console. We only have rumours. Adam tweeting his views =/= proof that the Xbox was online only.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]LOL a rumor saying another rumor is false and lemmings are jumping on board? :cool: Lems gonna lem.Rocker6

Yeah, reminds me of the cows who accepted the AO rumor as a fact so quickly, and claimed countless ownages over it...

We'll know the truth by 21st, but if you ask me, very little chance of AO being necessary for the 720. Doesn't seem overly rational... doubt anyone would risk making such a bold (and negative) move.

no matter point is Lems need to be more vocal on things that aren't good for them as supporters of the company (MS).  That is probably what made MS turn back on this (if this rumor is to be trusted).  

Fact is Adam Ortho *creative director of Micosoft Studios* was the most credible source of leaks we have heard from and the backlash that followed promted MS to act, first by issuing an public appology, then letting Ortho go as an employee and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the line NOW finally come out saying next box will be playable off line with single player games.

casharmy

Whatever helps you sleep at night gangsta.

I have to say that the whole always online thing sounded dumb to begin with. Did you guys honestly think it would be like that?

It would be pretty funny if it is like that. I would feel pretty stupid. :lol:

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="Snugenz"]

Teh Conspiracy !!

RR360DD

Fact is Adam Ortho *creative director of Micosoft Studios* was the most credible source of leaks we have heard from and the backlash that followed promted MS to act, first by issuing an public appology, then letting Ortho go as an employee and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the line NOW finally come out saying next box will be playable off line with single player games.

No, you're trying to make this into something its not.

You've no proof that Microsoft ever had the intention of creating an online-only console. We only have rumours. Adam tweeting his views =/= proofthat the Xbox was online only.

He was working on a game for xbox fusion and was the creative director of MS studios > you talking about no proof.

All the negative feedback about them requiring one made them change it. Imagine if most people bashed having to pay for xlive and refused. MS would have to greatly reduce it or get rid of the charge altogether. MS is the kind of company that will charge for and control everything they can unless absolutely forced not to. 

I have to say that the whole always online thing sounded dumb to begin with. Did you guys honestly think it would be like that?

It would be pretty funny if it is like that. I would feel pretty stupid. :lol:

AznbkdX

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Very releived to hear this.  It surprises me it took this long for them to address this to their internal resources.  I guess they had a change of heart somewhere along the way.

 

Well, at least we know the 720 won't be giving Emporer Palpatine lessons on how to be completely evil.  That's a start.

casharmy

"Orth has been working as a creative director at Microsoft Studios on a game which is yet to be revealed since February 2012."

"Orth appeared to confirm a rumour that the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

So he wan't just creative director at Micorsoft studios he was also working on a game for nextbox...yeah, sure he wanted to lose his job by making things up.

Microsoft issued a tersely worded statement about the incident but did not reference the console. "We apologise for the inappropriate comments made by an employee on Twitter yesterday," said the company. "This person is not a spokesperson for Microsoft, and his personal views do not reflect the customer-centric approach we take to our products or how we would communicate directly with our loyal consumers. We are very sorry if this offended anyone, however we have not made any announcements about our product roadmap, and have no further comment on this matter."

So it's confirmed huh. Guess I'm back on the bandwagon. MS FOR PRESIDENT

EDIT: Here's IGN's article

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/05/06/internal-microsoft-memo-reportedly-debunks-always-online-xbox

percech

The usual Sony hards I see are starting to show up and refuse this because it does not fit their agenda. They never had trouble acting as if the opposite was a fact and not just some rumor.CanYouDiglt

I have to say that the whole always online thing sounded dumb to begin with. Did you guys honestly think it would be like that?

It would be pretty funny if it is like that. I would feel pretty stupid. :lol:

AznbkdX

MS was going to do it and then decided not to after all the negative feedback about it. Trust me if MS could do it and not have it hurt their sales too much it would've happened. 

[QUOTE="percech"]

So it's confirmed huh. Guess I'm back on the bandwagon. MS FOR PRESIDENT

EDIT: Here's IGN's article

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/05/06/internal-microsoft-memo-reportedly-debunks-always-online-xbox

Davekeeh

I knew MS would never go through with it the backlash would of been to great

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]no matter point is Lems need to be more vocal on things that aren't good for them as supporters of the company (MS).  That is probably what made MS turn back on this (if this rumor is to be trusted).  

Fact is Adam Ortho *creative director of Micosoft Studios* was the most credible source of leaks we have heard from and the backlash that followed promted MS to act, first by issuing an public appology, then letting Ortho go as an employee and waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the line NOW finally come out saying next box will be playable off line with single player games.

casharmy

No, you're trying to make this into something its not.

You've no proof that Microsoft ever had the intention of creating an online-only console. We only have rumours. Adam tweeting his views =/= proofthat the Xbox was online only.

He was working on a game for xbox fusion and was the creative director of MS studios > you talking about no proof.

And?

Did he tweet saying the next Xbox was always online? Nope.

He tweeted his opinions on the subject, which is not proof that Microsoft ever had the intention of making it online-only. You know what they say: This individuals tweets do not reflect the views of the company etc etc etc

Reason he got fired was for being a douche with his replies and treating customers like crap ... very publicly.

:lol: @ Lems taking another rumor to be gospel truth because it says something positive about 720. Watch as another negative rumor pops out and they'll change their tunes. :roll: Ah lems, gotta love dat spin.I_can_haz

[QUOTE="AznbkdX"]

I have to say that the whole always online thing sounded dumb to begin with. Did you guys honestly think it would be like that?

It would be pretty funny if it is like that. I would feel pretty stupid. :lol:

clr84651

MS was going to do it and then decided not to after all the negative feedback about it. Trust me if MS could do it and not have it hurt their sales too much it would've happened. 

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]The usual Sony hards I see are starting to show up and refuse this because it does not fit their agenda. They never had trouble acting as if the opposite was a fact and not just some rumor.I_can_haz

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Or the RUMOURS weren't true?RR360DD

"Orth has been working as a creative director at Microsoft Studios on a game which is yet to be revealed since February 2012."

"Orth appeared to confirm a rumour that the next Xbox will require an always-on internet connection."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/11/microsoft-adam-orth-twitter

So he wan't just creative director at Micorsoft studios he was also working on a game for nextbox...yeah, sure he wanted to lose his job by making things up.

The problem was that it is the worst possible thing you can do before the launch of a new product; get your personal opinion mixed up with whatever message the company is trying to put forth. It sends mixed messages to the consumer and you definitely don't want that before you launch.

MS was correct in giving him the boot, he was stupid and it probably cost the company a lot of money doing damage control. sometimes it's simply better to just shut the hell up about what you think.

Especially if you are probably pulling six figures and are talking about a touchy subject that can affect the company's bottom line..

[QUOTE="percech"]

So it's confirmed huh. Guess I'm back on the bandwagon. MS FOR PRESIDENT

EDIT: Here's IGN's article

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/05/06/internal-microsoft-memo-reportedly-debunks-always-online-xbox

Davekeeh