Next-gen console specs?

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

If Sony and MS develops they're own CPU, they will probably have an 8 core CPU, or some crazy 32xSPE Cell type CPU. But if they use the expencive companies like AMD or Intel they won't get more than a dual core that is made for everything else than gaming. A console CPU does'nt need to be as complex as a PC CPU, therefor they're cheaper to produce but handles games the same or even better.

As for RAM, I think they will go for speed rather than quantity. 2-4GB Ram that is faster than anything in PC's at the time.

And then it's the GPU, I just hope Sony does'nt rush it this time. Maybe they can develop they're own GPU, work with some smaller chip company and develop a powerfull GPU that can compete with the others.

tenaka2

This is an amazing example of 'making stuff up as I go along'.

Sony making their own 8 core cpu and mega powerful gpu! Do you think that if Sony could make these magic chips they would have done so already and crushed ati/nvidia?

If you can develop chip's that can be scaled down and used in more places than just one, they can make more money, and use better hardware than the competition.

Probably about a year behind PC tech when they release. Except for nintendo, there next system will probably be weaaker than the PS3 is now...how pathetic.

In an ideal world the next-gen consoles all have the same specs. Because they are in fact just 1. If the 6th generation of gaming consoles still is making consumers buy 3 different machines to play (lots of times exactly the same) games.. sigh. Imagine if we still had to use two types of VCR's. Beta max and super VHS. Yet with gaming, we are doing it, for 5 generations now. Oh well, guess gaming is unique. Let's just hope Nintendo doesn't cheap out next time again.Coolwhip9001

How would one company having a monopoly on gaming machines be an ideal world?

[QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I don't know but they'll likely be better than the best gaming rigs today. Especially seeing as they're still a couple of years away from releasing.Firebird-5

the best gaming rigs today cost upwards of $2000. i sure hope you like paying thru the nose for the next consoles in a couple years. start saving

2GB Ram is a joke, my 2 yr old netbook has 2 gigs! a next-gen console should come with at least 4GB.

Xbox1 = 64MB RAM

X360/PS3 = 512MB RAM (x8)

512MB x 8 = 4GB RAM.

I think that Nintendo will have the best console next gen, and either Sony or Microsoft will get Sega'd.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]4GB =/= 16Gb unfortunately dunno what world you're from

how do you intend to deal with the heat a GTX580 GPU produces, even increases in efficiency in the next 4 years a 580 in consoles would produce a lot more problems than RRoD (possibly house fires)

point being: thinking a console would be as powerful as the most powerful single GPU (single GPU or PCB? because there are 6990s, 590s and let's not forget SLI or crossfire) PC today is just wishful thinkingcall_of_duty_10

1gb ram

cheap quad core

5770 or slightly weaker gpu

call_of_duty_10

looking at this article on this site saying ms is testing a new disc format for 360 has me thinking the only company that will be making a leap is nintendo

so you can bet it will be another 4 yrs until all 3 get their real next gen guns out ,

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"] I agree. I still think it will be: [QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

1gb ram

cheap quad core

5770 or slightly weaker gpu

Inconsistancy

The next consoles will not have more then 4gb of memory for system use, if released before 2014.

A p4 is not faster than the cell processor... or at least I highly doubt something That old is, any of the i# processors are however (hopefully sony doesn't use a wacky architecture again)

A Pentium 4is faster then the PPE in the Cell which is the mainprocessor for the Cell the SPE's are/act more like shader processors found in modern gpu's. Those are what give the Cell the extra processing power. Processor performance is rated , The 360 cpu is rated at 6, while a Athlon X2 is rated 7.3 , while a pentium 4 is rated a 4 and the PS3's Cell "PPE" is rated as a 3.

5770... in few years, no. the 360's video card is > 7800gtx512, so is the pathetic ps3's (I had a 7800gtx256 just before 360 came out, up 'til last year) So, we're likely to see something along the lines of, medium|high end of the time, maybe slightly underclocked to help with heat issues since power keeps going up, as well as using the better cooling that modern gpu's have vs what the rrod360 uses.

A low power comsumption quad core, 1gig of ram, 5850 or equivelent would be my guess, but what do I know...not much.

I really don't see consoles being that strong next gen.

1. cost= nobody wants to try to sell a 600 buck console after seeing how the wii sold

2. heat= Can't see a way around this problem

My guess is a 6 core cpu

with 4 gigs of ram

a amd 6850/70 level gpu

a blu-ray drive 6x speed

a 500 gig hard drive

This is a 2013 console guess should be able to sell at 300 bucks and under depending on the clocks for the parts with motion controls

A Pentium 4is faster then the PPE in the Cell which is the mainprocessor for the Cell the SPE's are/act more like shader processors found in modern gpu's. Those are what give the Cell the extra processing power. Processor performance is rated , The 360 cpu is rated at 6, while a Athlon X2 is rated 7.3 , while a pentium 4 is rated a 4 and the PS3's Cell "PPE" is rated as a 304dcarraher

[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

If Sony and MS develops they're own CPU, they will probably have an 8 core CPU, or some crazy 32xSPE Cell type CPU. But if they use the expencive companies like AMD or Intel they won't get more than a dual core that is made for everything else than gaming. A console CPU does'nt need to be as complex as a PC CPU, therefor they're cheaper to produce but handles games the same or even better.

As for RAM, I think they will go for speed rather than quantity. 2-4GB Ram that is faster than anything in PC's at the time.

And then it's the GPU, I just hope Sony does'nt rush it this time. Maybe they can develop they're own GPU, work with some smaller chip company and develop a powerfull GPU that can compete with the others.

tenaka2

This is an amazing example of 'making stuff up as I go along'.

Sony making their own 8 core cpu and mega powerful gpu! Do you think that if Sony could make these magic chips they would have done so already and crushed ati/nvidia?

IBM CELL based add-on card

On both SP and DP FP, the above product was dead on arrival with AMD Radeon HD 4870 (RV770) aka AMD FireStream 9250.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]A Pentium 4is faster then the PPE in the Cell which is the mainprocessor for the Cell the SPE's are/act more like shader processors found in modern gpu's. Those are what give the Cell the extra processing power. Processor performance is rated , The 360 cpu is rated at 6, while a Athlon X2 is rated 7.3 , while a pentium 4 is rated a 4 and the PS3's Cell "PPE" is rated as a 3Inconsistancy

NVIDIA G8X = Geforce 8

ATI Xenos stream processor was rated around 240 Gflops (programmable). Xbox 360 Slim has fusioned CPU+GPU i.e. "CGPU".

Sustained 32bit FP is not stong point for NVIDIA RSX/G7X designs.

Even my next PC build will be stronger than consoles, I doubt they could have a 4.0ghz cpu and 2 video cards used at once.:D

Even my next PC build will be stronger than consoles, I doubt they could have a 4.0ghz cpu and 2 video cards used at once.:D

mitu123

the PS4 will be powered by over 9000 cell processors. ferret-gamer

So basically this...


The PS4 will be mighty powerful with all of those things inside it.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]the PS4 will be powered by over 9000 cell processors. Mystic-G

So basically this...


The PS4 will be mighty powerful with all of those things inside it.

I really don't see consoles being that strong next gen.

1. cost= nobody wants to try to sell a 600 buck console after seeing how the wii sold

2. heat= Can't see a way around this problem

My guess is a 6 core cpu

with 4 gigs of ram

a amd 6850/70 level gpu

a blu-ray drive 6x speed

a 500 gig hard drive

This is a 2013 console guess should be able to sell at 300 bucks and under depending on the clocks for the parts with motion controls

Rude_Bwoii

I think they will be weak.

1gb ram

cheap quad core

5770 or slightly weaker gpu

call_of_duty_10

My guess is

2GB ram

Quad core 3.2Ghz at least 8 threads

Best GPU on the market or even an more advanced prototype that is not yet on the market (like 360 used a DX10 prototype for its DX9time)

The thing is, if xbox 360 can run Crysis 2 like that and will soon get Codename Kingdoms looking vastly better and new engine for Fable 4 with megatexture and Global Illumination and the Alan Wake 2 engine that will probably look vastly better than AW, the system essentially lasted for 8 years without ever feeling old

Imagine now consoles withthe latest spec hardware in 2 years from today, that is at least 10-20x more powerfull than 360 hardware, how long would something like that last ?

15 years is a first guess

[QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I don't know but they'll likely be better than the best gaming rigs today. Especially seeing as they're still a couple of years away from releasing.Firebird-5

the best gaming rigs today cost upwards of $2000. i sure hope you like paying thru the nose for the next consoles in a couple years. start saving

The 360 is better than top of the line pc's 2 years prior to its launch.

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]the PS4 will be powered by over 9000 cell processors. ferret-gamer

So basically this...


The PS4 will be mighty powerful with all of those things inside it.

You forgetting that it will be able to do this on 2 screens at once.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="incuensuocha"]I don't know but they'll likely be better than the best gaming rigs today. Especially seeing as they're still a couple of years away from releasing.Cranler

the best gaming rigs today cost upwards of $2000. i sure hope you like paying thru the nose for the next consoles in a couple years. start saving

The 360 is better than top of the line pc's 2 years prior to its launch.

the hardware market is a little different now, with the advent of stream processors, consoles might simply opt for something around a GTX460 and still have plenty of power to deliver crysis (on max) visuals - considering how well the wii sold.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

the best gaming rigs today cost upwards of $2000. i sure hope you like paying thru the nose for the next consoles in a couple years. start saving

The 360 is better than top of the line pc's 2 years prior to its launch.

the hardware market is a little different now, with the advent of stream processors, consoles might simply opt for something around a GTX460 and still have plenty of power to deliver crysis (on max) visuals - considering how well the wii sold.

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

The 360 is better than top of the line pc's 2 years prior to its launch.

Cranler

the hardware market is a little different now, with the advent of stream processors, consoles might simply opt for something around a GTX460 and still have plenty of power to deliver crysis (on max) visuals - considering how well the wii sold.

and then 1 year later the 8800GT came out

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

the hardware market is a little different now, with the advent of stream processors, consoles might simply opt for something around a GTX460 and still have plenty of power to deliver crysis (on max) visuals - considering how well the wii sold.

Firebird-5

and then 1 year later the 8800GT came out

The 8800GT came out in October of 2007, most certainly not 2004.

Perhaps you meant a year after the 360 launched and were thinking of the 8800GTS or 8800GTX, which launched in late 2006?

The next gen consoles will be better than todays PC's, are you guys forgeting hw fast hardware prices come down?

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] I dont think next gen consoles will be as powerful for their time as current console were when they were released but the point is it could be done at a low price point. 360 was $400 and could outperform a $2000 pc from 2003.Seiki_sands

and then 1 year later the 8800GT came out

The 8800GT came out in October of 2007, most certainly not 2004.

Perhaps you meant a year after the 360 launched and were thinking of the 8800GTS or 8800GTX, which launched in late 2006?

i meant 2006, which is when the xbox released here

[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

and then 1 year later the 8800GT came out

Firebird-5

The 8800GT came out in October of 2007, most certainly not 2004.

Perhaps you meant a year after the 360 launched and were thinking of the 8800GTS or 8800GTX, which launched in late 2006?

i meant 2006, which is when the xbox released here

Pardon my nosiness, but is "here" Australia by any chance?

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]

The 8800GT came out in October of 2007, most certainly not 2004.

Perhaps you meant a year after the 360 launched and were thinking of the 8800GTS or 8800GTX, which launched in late 2006?

Seiki_sands

i meant 2006, which is when the xbox released here

Pardon my nosiness, but is "here" Australia by any chance?

along with every country that is'nt part of the EU, USA, Canada, or Japan

Did any PC GPU match the 360 Xenos in November 2005?True_Gamer_

[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]

[QUOTE="Firebird-5"]

i meant 2006, which is when the xbox released here

Firebird-5

Pardon my nosiness, but is "here" Australia by any chance?

along with every country that is'nt part of the EU, USA, Canada, or Japan

:P No offense intended, Australia came to mind as one of the larger console markets not on that list.

Did any PC GPU match the 360 Xenos in November 2005?True_Gamer_

360 was just using a prototype of technology ATI had in the works for PC, in PS3's case; they grabbed a GPU that became available to PC not long after the conference.

Spec for spec, PC hardware was console level or greater back then. Consoles of course produce better results with it because of their fixed/targetable nature, but the hardware itself was equivilent.

The next gen consoles will be better than todays PC's, are you guys forgeting hw fast hardware prices come down?

mario_gamer

Note they also have to keep the console cool and make sacrifices in power to keep the price reasonable, we don't want another PS3.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]A Pentium 4is faster then the PPE in the Cell which is the mainprocessor for the Cell the SPE's are/act more like shader processors found in modern gpu's. Those are what give the Cell the extra processing power. Processor performance is rated , The 360 cpu is rated at 6, while a Athlon X2 is rated 7.3 , while a pentium 4 is rated a 4 and the PS3's Cell "PPE" is rated as a 3Inconsistancy

These numbers come from real clock cycles per instruction orinstructions per secondwhich is how you determine a cpu's performance. The Cell is morelike a gpu then a cpu those SPE's act just like shader processors off of a modern gpu. The 360 cpu and PS3's PPE(the cpu) are based on old cpu architectures. Gflops dont mean anything if you cant handle multiple instructions to go along with it the speed. Plus the PS3 true GFLOP's rating are much slower then what Sony says,because example like Folding @ Home A Intel Q6600 beats the PS3 Cell even though the Cell has the GFLOPS performance. Or even a Geforce 8600GT outclassed the Cell. The Cell with all its SPE's running as fast as 7800GT means that its true GFLOPs is around 170. Apple to oranges my fanny..:P

Again

The Instructionsper clock cycle

The Xenon "360 cpu" = 6

The PS3 Cell "PPE" =3.2

Pentium 3= 2.7

Pentium 4= 4

Athlon X2= 7.3

Intel C2D= 18

Phenom 2= 17.8

Intel i7= 23.9

Intel i7 Six core= 40

The next gen consoles will be better than todays PC's, are you guys forgeting hw fast hardware prices come down?

mario_gamer

Don't expect high performance GPU's in consoles. They produce too much heat and consume a lot of power. I wouldn't even be surprised to see Sony and Microsoft opt for a mobile GPU.

EDIT: I mean a laptop GPU not a smartphone GPU.

I'm going to go with: CPU = X6 3.2ghz (12mb L3 cache) RAM = 4gb DDR3 GPU = 5970 (Some sort of Multi GPU) SSD = 120gb Solid State Drive Remember were talking 2-4 years probably so this tech will be much cheaper and common.streetridaz

[QUOTE="streetridaz"]I'm going to go with: CPU = X6 3.2ghz (12mb L3 cache) RAM = 4gb DDR3 GPU = 5970 (Some sort of Multi GPU) SSD = 120gb Solid State Drive Remember were talking 2-4 years probably so this tech will be much cheaper and common.MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="streetridaz"]I'm going to go with: CPU = X6 3.2ghz (12mb L3 cache) RAM = 4gb DDR3 GPU = 5970 (Some sort of Multi GPU) SSD = 120gb Solid State Drive Remember were talking 2-4 years probably so this tech will be much cheaper and common.MFDOOM1983