http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-505263.aspx
and people were calling me a troll last night when i said this, lol.
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http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-505263.aspx
and people were calling me a troll last night when i said this, lol.
Um ..... So?Anjunaddicti guess you forgat all the Alan Wake graphics king threads from last night, lol.
[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Um ..... So?nervmeisterDid you call him a troll last night? Nope, don't think ive ever called anyone a troll on here :?
[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Um ..... So?ZoomZoom2490i guess you forgat all the Alan Wake graphics king threads from last night, lol. I remember people praising its graphics, which look great btw. And yes, i mean the in-game graphics where you can clearly see the HUD, not the cutscenes.
[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Um ..... So?AnjunaddictDid you call him a troll last night? Nope, don't think ive ever called anyone a troll on here :? Oh, okay. That means you're safe from ownage then. :P
Oh I get it cows feel insecure because the 360 gets another potential blockbuster game. I guess the luster of Heavy Rain and God of War 3 has already worn off...
Link to a very good answer by a developer on that page. http://forum.alanwake.com/showthread.php?p=66469#post66469Hey TC UC2 also uses "pre-rendered" cut scenes. Also, being on PC would not effect its prerendered status.
Everyone read this page. http://forum.alanwake.com/showthread.php?p=66469#post66469
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last night people were posting pre-rendered gifs and passing them as gameplay graphics, lol, that's my point.
i kept saying that gameplay graphics wont look like that and i got slammed for saying thatand called a troll, etc.
its funny how some of you changing subjects now by saying so what, lol.
can you post some of those gifs?last night people were posting pre-rendered gifs and passing them as gameplaygraphics, lol, that's my point.
i kept saying that gameplay graphics wont look like that and then i got slammed and called a troll, etc.
its funny how some of you changing subjects now by saying so what, lol.
ZoomZoom2490
last night people were posting pre-rendered gifs and passing them as gameplay graphics, lol, that's my point.
i kept saying that gameplay graphics wont look like that and i got slammed for saying thatand called a troll, etc.
its funny how some of you changing subjects now by saying so what, lol.
ZoomZoom2490
well, for changing subject, point out anyone who posted here and on said threads last night.
I don't recall any, and for all we know the TC could've been a troll like Honkytonkgamer or Theanimatedchamp or whatever their names are.
last night people were posting pre-rendered gifs and passing them as gameplaygraphics, lol, that's my point.
i kept saying that gameplay graphics wont look like that and then i got slammed and called a troll, etc.
its funny how some of you changing subjects now by saying so what, lol.
can you post some of those gifs? there were a few big threads here last night about Alan Wake being the next graphics king from these pre-rendered cutscenes as being gameplay graphics, search for them, they cant be that far back.You got this from N4G which makes your post automatic fail, and please explain to me even if the cutscenes were pre rendered how does that detract form gameplay, and or the story. I find it funny how people will go to any lengths to try and discredit a game because of a small issue. Its like people saying" DUH DUH Heavy rain isnt a game because its all quick time events which makes it a movie, and uncharted 2 is overrated because because it borrows from indiana jones". I am really tired of these threads trying to down awesome games. tehHasteyou might wanna click the link that N4G posted up.
last night people were posting pre-rendered gifs and passing them as gameplaygraphics, lol, that's my point.
i kept saying that gameplay graphics wont look like that and then i got slammed and called a troll, etc.
its funny how some of you changing subjects now by saying so what, lol.
can you post some of those gifs? there were a few big threads here last night about Alan Wake being the next graphics king from these pre-rendered cutscenes as being gameplay graphics, search for them, they cant be that far back. Again, not ALL of what was shown was cutscene, some of it was gameplay. Stop trying to discredit the entire video based on the devs said. Some of it was cutscene, not ALL. Cutscenes dont have jaggies man, watch them again ;)Just so this doesn't get stupid with PS3 fanboys, Remedy posted their reasons:
Since this keeps popping up every time the cutscenes are discussed, let me try to give a bit more thorough answer even though it's not my area of expertise. We could've done the cinematics "realtime in-game" -style too if we would have wanted to but there's a few good reasons why videos (rendered with the game engine, of course) were a good choice for us:
We can do the editing in a software that's dedicated to it instead of building some sort of editing and camera management system in our own toolset. We have our own engine so we don't always have the luxury of using pre-existing tools.
We can do transitions like crossfades (which are notoriously difficult in real time graphics since basically you would need to render the picture twice and blend them together).
We can do post-processing on the video if needed without the need to implement said effects in the game engine. That being said, the post-processing capabilities of our engine are pretty awesome but it can be a bit silly to do additional features to the graphics engine if said features are only to be used in some cutscenes. It's not economical for a company of this size.
With video, we are not limited by the streaming of the game world. Terrain, objects, characters, textures etc. need to be read from the DVD into the memory before they can be displayed. With video, we can do cutscenes that show several distant locations in a quick succession without us having to worry about the time it takes to stream in a new location.
And as previously mentioned, we can do things like streaming in a completely new game location while the video is playing so the player won't see any boring loading screens when we want to switch the location.
We can pretty much ignore most of the potential memory or performance issues with the hires characters and textures when using video. It's much much faster to produce hi-resolution content when you don't have to worry about making it optimal.
And runtime memory is very precious. If we can avoid keeping hires characters in the memory, we can make rest of the game look better.
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I hope this clarifies our choice of going with videos instead of "in-game" cines a bit. And I do stress that it is a choice: what works for Alan Wake is not the right approach for many other games. We chose videos because it was a better option for us (meaning Remedy and you, the players) because it results to a better looking game (both the playable bits and the cinematics) and less work for our programmers and artists. Of course videos are not an entirely problem-free approach either but game development is full of choices like these.anttitRMD
Also, it isn't like the game itself looks bad, I mean here is a real-time gameplay cut from the trailer
[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] can you post some of those gifs?navyguy21there were a few big threads here last night about Alan Wake being the next graphics king from these pre-rendered cutscenes as being gameplay graphics, search for them, they cant be that far back. Again, not ALL of what was shown was cutscene, some of it was gameplay. Stop trying to discredit the entire video based on the devs said. Some of it was cutscene, not ALL. Cutscenes dont have jaggies man, watch them again ;) lol, how about clicking the link i posted and read it first.
[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]Um ..... So?lawlessxthat's really the first thing i popped in my head. Alot of games do this.Agreed, even Uncharted 2 does this.
[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] there were a few big threads here last night about Alan Wake being the next graphics king from these pre-rendered cutscenes as being gameplay graphics, search for them, they cant be that far back.ZoomZoom2490Again, not ALL of what was shown was cutscene, some of it was gameplay. Stop trying to discredit the entire video based on the devs said. Some of it was cutscene, not ALL. Cutscenes dont have jaggies man, watch them again ;) lol, how about clicking the link i posted and read it first. I read the link when it was posted 2 times earlier today (yes, you are late) and it referenced to the parts that WERE pre-rendered. On top of that, it said it was IN-ENGINE! No different from the in-engine cutscenes of UC2, MGS4, and a host of other games. However, there WAS some gameplay shown in the vid (check the gif above) where there were jaggies present. Cutscenes dont have jaggies dude. Just let it go, the game will look very close to what was shown. Heck, the E3 presentation should tell you that. Why are you exerting so much energy into trying to prove that it was not gameplay? Does it bother you that much?
[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]can you post some of those gifs? there were a few big threads here last night about Alan Wake being the next graphics king from these pre-rendered cutscenes as being gameplay graphics, search for them, they cant be that far back.last night people were posting pre-rendered gifs and passing them as gameplaygraphics, lol, that's my point.
i kept saying that gameplay graphics wont look like that and then i got slammed and called a troll, etc.
its funny how some of you changing subjects now by saying so what, lol.
ZoomZoom2490
you attacked this pic for not being in-game...any proof on that?
the game still looks great reguardless:
for crying out loud, you people cant read? lolI read the full message KingsMessenger posted. Due note the "there's a few good reasons why videos (rendered with the game engine, of course) were a good choice for us."ZoomZoom2490
Wait! Someone is using a computer to enhance or alter the looks of something???? *GASP* Tricksey they be.... I have no words.... I don't know what to do now.... What is up? What is down? I just don't know anymore..... AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
In other breaking news.... Humans didn't really go to Pandora to shoot the movie Avatar... I found out through a reliable source, that someone used computer trickery into making us think they went to Pandora. :shock:
I hope this doesn't turn out like a dumbed down SCC when it was shown at last year's E3 cuz this is probably disappointing as f****.
Also, lemmings did claim and said this would trump UC2, KZ2, and GOW3's grahpical department.
I guess we'll see... :roll:
[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="navyguy21"] Again, not ALL of what was shown was cutscene, some of it was gameplay. Stop trying to discredit the entire video based on the devs said. Some of it was cutscene, not ALL. Cutscenes dont have jaggies man, watch them again ;)navyguy21lol, how about clicking the link i posted and read it first. I read the link when it was posted 2 times earlier today (yes, you are late) and it referenced to the parts that WERE pre-rendered. On top of that, it said it was IN-ENGINE! No different from the in-engine cutscenes of UC2, MGS4, and a host of other games. However, there WAS some gameplay shown in the vid (check the gif above) where there were jaggies present. Cutscenes dont have jaggies dude. Just let it go, the game will look very close to what was shown. Heck, the E3 presentation should tell you that. Why are you exerting so much energy into trying to prove that it was not gameplay? Does it bother you that much?
Yes because that's what haters do... It is a well known fact that nearly all great looking games "cheat" a little when it comes to the cut-scenes. As the dev rep stated, it cuts back on using precious processing power that could be better spent on the actual game and it shaves down load times. So my advice is let them talk... The Sony defense force will be in full effect when this game comes out stating that it looks terrible.. $ when infact it will rival anything on the PS3.
Agreed, even Uncharted 2 does this. UC2 doesnt use Pre-Rendered videos, lol. ohhhh boy, i better go back to my more mature forum, this place is just too much.Watch that door on your way out K?[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="lawlessx"] that's really the first thing i popped in my head. Alot of games do this.ZoomZoom2490
I read the link when it was posted 2 times earlier today (yes, you are late) and it referenced to the parts that WERE pre-rendered. On top of that, it said it was IN-ENGINE! No different from the in-engine cutscenes of UC2, MGS4, and a host of other games. However, there WAS some gameplay shown in the vid (check the gif above) where there were jaggies present. Cutscenes dont have jaggies dude. Just let it go, the game will look very close to what was shown. Heck, the E3 presentation should tell you that. Why are you exerting so much energy into trying to prove that it was not gameplay? Does it bother you that much?[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] lol, how about clicking the link i posted and read it first.OhSnapitz
Yes because that's what haters do... It is a well known fact that nearly all great looking games "cheat" a little when it comes to the cut-scenes. As the dev rep stated, it cuts back on using precious processing power that could be better spent on the actual game and it shaves down load times. So my advice is let them talk... The Sony defense force will be in full effect when this game comes out stating that it looks terrible.. $ when infact it will rival anything on the PS3.
I'm not saying it wont but you people really need to wait for games to come out before saying such things. That goes for PS3 fanboys too.http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-505263.aspx
and people were calling me a troll last night when i said this, lol.
why does it matter? I don't understand :?I read the link when it was posted 2 times earlier today (yes, you are late) and it referenced to the parts that WERE pre-rendered. On top of that, it said it was IN-ENGINE! No different from the in-engine cutscenes of UC2, MGS4, and a host of other games. However, there WAS some gameplay shown in the vid (check the gif above) where there were jaggies present. Cutscenes dont have jaggies dude. Just let it go, the game will look very close to what was shown. Heck, the E3 presentation should tell you that. Why are you exerting so much energy into trying to prove that it was not gameplay? Does it bother you that much?[QUOTE="navyguy21"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] lol, how about clicking the link i posted and read it first.OhSnapitz
Yes because that's what haters do... It is a well known fact that nearly all great looking games "cheat" a little when it comes to the cut-scenes. As the dev rep stated, it cuts back on using precious processing power that could be better spent on the actual game and it shaves down load times. So my advice is let them talk... The Sony defense force will be in full effect when this game comes out stating that it looks terrible.. $ when infact it will rival anything on the PS3.
Except those great looking games on PS3 doesn't "cheat".Please Log In to post.
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