NG4:Alan Wake cinematics are all separate pre-rendered video files, LINK!!

woah... wait a minute. n4g is a credible source? lol?

Is this supposed to be a bad thing? I don't understand what everyone has against pre-rendered cutscenes. I remember GOW3 getting bashed because it had like 2 pre-rendered cutscenes.

Is this supposed to be a bad thing? I don't understand what everyone has against pre-rendered cutscenes. I remember GOW3 getting bashed because it had like 2 pre-rendered cutscenes.

tryagainlater

[QUOTE="tryagainlater"]

Is this supposed to be a bad thing? I don't understand what everyone has against pre-rendered cutscenes. I remember GOW3 getting bashed because it had like 2 pre-rendered cutscenes.

HuusAsking

This thread is basically Cow damage control. Cows are so convinced that the PS3 blows away the X360 technologically speaking that when a fantastic looking X360 exclusive shows up they cannot acceptit. Remedy are excellent devs and have put a lot of time into this game, why are they so surprised? anybody who ever played Max Payne on the PC will tell you how good Remedy are, the visuals of that game were sublime particularly considering the spec requirements were modest.

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[QUOTE="Nisim19"]just like U1 and U2 so? even GOW3 use PRE RENDER cutcsenes in some of the game alot of games do that this is on the game engine to hide loading times. and not all cut scenes will be PRE RENDERED some will be real timeAnjunaddict

Nope, it's mostly done becouse console couldn't handle graphics like that, simple. It's not a good idea on Xbox, DVD is not as big as lems think it is, prepare for "not so great" IQ durning the cutscenes.

And yeah, there are some RT cutscenes:

"We do have some sequences where we do what I guess could be called real-time cutscenes (like the "reveal camera" moments, for example), but percentagewise, those are definitely in the minority."

Prerendered cutscenes are just video files, so if you want good looking HD video you must have lot of space, or cut the quality. Prerendered cutscenes and CGI movies in FFXIII took over 30GB of BD in PS3 version.

God of War 3 did the same thing, pre-rendered video using the ingame engine to get movies running good

Supabul

Only some cutscenes were prerenderes.

woah... wait a minute. n4g is a credible source? lol?

mariobros1981

So you don't know how N4G works?

wow, i am absolutely astonished by the cows on this board, Alan wake gameplay looks just as good as the cutscenes apart from a few jaggies, cow's are in flat- out denial that any 360 exclusive can look as good as a Ps3 exclusive, Alan wake looks just as good as UC2 and GOW 3, just get over it and move on, seriously, this is getting worse than all the nitwits stating Halo reach looks exactly the same as Halo 3, when clearly it looks leaps and bounds better than Halo 3, both consoles are equal, the 360 is more than capable of pushing the same visuals as the Ps3,people need to get the stupid idea that the Ps3 is vastly superior than the 360, it's a myth, get over itdelta3074

Ugh, that sure put a damper on my expectations for the game -.-

Hate when games do that.

Maddie_Larkin

So I guess you hate GOW III because it does that too.

The game is gonna sucks because it has some videos... I mean really? LOL!

Um, what? Where did you obtain all this information?

Everything I've read talked about all the lighting in KZ2 being dynamic, and sure as ****, it certainly seemed that way, seeing as light patterns would dynamically move not just across static environments but across player characters. An infamous example is the red eyes of the Helghast, which actually CAST a red light on the environment. I've also seen a real time demonstration of the Killzone 2 engine in which the developers turned on and off, the lights in the game in real time.

So I honestly have no clue where you get the idea that all this stuff is pre-baked. How does a pre-baked lighting solution dynamically shift and cast lights on objects/environments, all the while retaining the capability to turn on and off, affecting the color of objects?

All you have to do is look at one of these stupid GIFs:

Brownesque

go look up the GDC Lighting Presentation that they did.

The natural, ambient lighting(sun) is pre-calculated and baked into the textures(Page 20. Real-time shadows mixed in, but most are not real-time). Ambient Occlusion is pre-calculated and baked into the textures(Page 53 mentions that they planned to add it, but is was never actually completely added. Only pre-baked AO. Dynamic Radiosity also proved impossible so that wasn't added). The Volumetric Lighting is static and pre-calculated(They only ever appear in certain fixed locations and are never dynamically generated). Now, using Deferred Rendering, they do a ton of dynamic lighting as well with shadows being cast, but a LARGE amount of it is actually static.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="tryagainlater"]

Is this supposed to be a bad thing? I don't understand what everyone has against pre-rendered cutscenes. I remember GOW3 getting bashed because it had like 2 pre-rendered cutscenes.

dog_dirt

We aren't talking about CGI here... We are talking about in-engine pre-rendering. In general, the in-game and the cutscenes will be extremely close graphically. They do pre-render for cinematic effect though, and given the type of game it is, I think that makes sense.

MUAHAHAHA FLAWLESS VICTORY

[QUOTE="dog_dirt"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Realtime-rendered graphics are getting better and better. It's become an expectation that you can do some pretty radical stuff realtime in-game. That's the current goal of graphics and graphics engines: to make scene gorgeous enough to pass for a prerendered scene...only it's being done in realtime. This gen of consoles is not quite there, but it can pull it off at points. Next gen with increased power and new techniques like tessellation could get us there.KingsMessenger

We aren't talking about CGI here... We are talking about in-engine pre-rendering. In general, the in-game and the cutscenes will be extremely close graphically. They do pre-render for cinematic effect though, and given the type of game it is, I think that makes sense.

Who cares? As long as it looks good, I'm happy.

I just do not understand some of the cows in this thread since there is plenty of gameplay. You can not deny the videos because Alan Wake looks simply amazing. SilentlyMad

Using cutscenes as graphics is lame in general. Not one game came close. I am tired of seeing those uncharted 2 face pics and same with alan wake screens. Gameplay or nothing. Anyone who says the in engine renders are identical to gameplay is about as big of a fanboy as those cows you are talking about.

Using cutscenes as graphics is lame in general. Not one game came close. I am tired of seeing those uncharted 2 face pics and same with alan wake screens. Gameplay or nothing. Anyone who says the in engine renders are identical to gameplay is about as big of a fanboy as those cows you are talking about.

nhh18

I hate pre-rendered video.

Nothing like sticking a game up to 1080p with all the quality filters turned up, only to be greeted with a 720p cutscene stretched across your screen.

Using cutscenes as graphics is lame in general. Not one game came close. I am tired of seeing those uncharted 2 face pics and same with alan wake screens. Gameplay or nothing. Anyone who says the in engine renders are identical to gameplay is about as big of a fanboy as those cows you are talking about.

nhh18

AW gameplay:

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Using cutscenes as graphics is lame in general. Not one game came close. I am tired of seeing those uncharted 2 face pics and same with alan wake screens. Gameplay or nothing. Anyone who says the in engine renders are identical to gameplay is about as big of a fanboy as those cows you are talking about.

CwlHeddwyn

AW gameplay:

sayonara89

Why the hell is this thread still active?

It looks good, how good? we reaqlly dont know and wont know until we see it upon release.

Why the hell is this thread still active?

It looks good, how good? we reaqlly dont know and wont know until we see it upon release.

Zaibach

*shrugs* uncharted 2 is the same way

88mphSlayer

Except it's not, it's just what all lemmings in this thread want to promote and belive because xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. Lemmings haven't even payed the game yet here are all of you are in this saying what UC2 is like simply because Alan Wake failed to actualy render the graphics you people are hying.

The diffrence between Alan Wake and Uncharted 2 is the graphics in UC2 are RENDERED IN REALTIME during the cut-scenes and the graphics Alan Wake is not. Also PS3 fans actually hype the IN-GAME graphics screnes of UC2 unlike xboxfanboys who are hyping prerendered videos that arent even rendered by the graphics engine.

What say you xbox fanboys is this a Bullshot? pre-renderd FMV? real-tme cut-scene? or realtime in-game gameplay?

xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. UncleLukex

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. delta3074

Sony told him it must be true, heck he probably has his fingers crossed for their 4D game to come out this year.

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. delta3074

They aren't, they have VERY different architecture, how they can be equal? 'PS3 is vastly more powerful than teh 360'? I fell bad for fanboys saying something like this, PS3 is more powerfull but it isn't a big difference.

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. delta3074

Well I'm talking specifically about the games being brought up here with are Alan Wake and Uncharted 2. Lemmings are saying "Uncharted 2 dose it too, they are the same." yet they are NOT.

So techncially I'm right because Alan Wake *isn't acheiveing* it (dosen't matter what you specualte it could/ or can do) so lemmings are back tracking and trying to FALSELY imprint the idea that Uncharted 2 also dose it, but that's WRONG.

That picture I posted above...(lemmings are saying Uncharted 2 uses pre-rended videos for cutscenes too right?) answer the question then and tell me if it is a bullshot? Pre-rendered FMV (like Alan Wake)? realtime-cutscene? or real-time in-game gameplay?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. Ultra_Combo

Sony told him it must be true, heck he probably has his fingers crossed for their 4D game to come out this year.

lol, yea, yet you didn't dare attempt to answer my quesiton, did you? You probably have you fingers crossed hoping xbox 360 is really more powerful than PS3 but konw in your mind it's not true.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. sayonara89

They aren't, they have VERY different architecture, how they can be equal? 'PS3 is vastly more powerful than teh 360'? I fell bad for fanboys saying something like this, PS3 is more powerfull but it isn't a big difference.

It's funny none of these fanboys saying Alan Wake and Uncharted 2's cut-scenes are rendered in the same way (out of damage control out of finding out Alan Wakes cut-scenes are pre-rendered ) dare answer my question.

It's funny because they can't tell the diffrence between UC2's cut-scenes and gameplay and are afraid to make a call on it, but Alan Wakes Cut-scenes are clearly more impressive then the in-game gameplay and anyone could tell the diffrence.

[QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. delta3074

Its just the hype, man. Sony did an awesome job overhyping it´s console at the beggining of this gen. We should give Sony credit for it since 4 years later ppl still believe PS3 is more powerfull than the compatition!!!

lol, its still "in-engine" so i dont get what this post is supposed to prove. Cows used the same argument with MGS4, Heavy Rain, and UC2. Same applies here, the final game will look really close to what we saw in the vid. And not ALL of it was pre-rendered, i saw jaggies in the cafe' scene ;)navyguy21

No its not the same, A good majority of Uc2 and GoW 3 cutscenes are all done in real time( not all of them but most of them) Just about all of MGS4's cutscenes were done in realtime. This isnt a huge deal but lets say you had a alternate costume are something. It would not show up in cutscenes that were pre-recorded. They may use the exact same assets as the acutal game but it usually means theres alot going on in the scene and the framerate would dip to much if it was being done in real time.

True Alan Wake is not out yet but from all the gameplay videos I have seen I think Alan Wake looks better then KZ2 or UC2. It is true they all look great but I give the edge to Alan Wake. Does not matter anyways though Crysis 2 will probably be the best and then Gears 3 in April.SilentlyMad

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. PAL360

Its just the hype, man. Sony did an awesome job overhyping it´s console at the beggining of this gen. We should give Sony credit for it since 4 years later and ppl still believe PS3 is more powerfull than the compatition!!!

As a owner of both consoles you only need to take one look at both there exclusives to see the PS3 is simply more powerful. Do I think the diffrence is huge? No but the system without a doubt has more under the hood.

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. UncleLukex

Well I'm talking specifically about the games being brought up here with are Alan Wake and Uncharted 2. Lemmings are saying "Uncharted 2 dose it too, they are the same." yet they are NOT.

So techncially I'm right because Alan Wake *isn't acheiveing* it (dosen't matter what you specualte it could/ or can do) so lemmings are back tracking and trying to FALSELY imprint the idea that Uncharted 2 also dose it, but that's WRONG.

That picture I posted above...(lemmings are saying Uncharted 2 uses pre-rended videos for cutscenes too right?) answer the question then and tell me if it is a bullshot? Pre-rendered FMV (like Alan Wake)? realtime-cutscene? or real-time in-game gameplay?

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="UncleLukex"] xbox 360 can't acheive realtime gfx like this ingame. PAL360

Its just the hype, man. Sony did an awesome job overhyping it´s console at the beggining of this gen. We should give Sony credit for it since 4 years later and ppl still believe PS3 is more powerfull than the compatition!!!

[QUOTE="SilentlyMad"]True Alan Wake is not out yet but from all the gameplay videos I have seen I think Alan Wake looks better then KZ2 or UC2. It is true they all look great but I give the edge to Alan Wake. Does not matter anyways though Crysis 2 will probably be the best and then Gears 3 in April.sayonara89

The diffrence between Alan Wake and Uncharted 2 is the graphics in UC2 are RENDERED IN REALTIME during the cut-scenes and the graphics Alan Wake is not. UncleLukex

What say you xbox fanboys is this a Bullshot? pre-renderd FMV? real-tme cut-scene? or realtime in-game gameplayUncleLukex