Nintendo 64 vs PlayStation

I can't choose. They were both great.

If people weren't constantly jerking off to the PS1s jrpg lineup, as well as stuff like SotN and the RE games, I might see your point.

On the flip side, with the N64, people talk about SM64, OoT, and?...

N64 is still a must own console. Some of the greatest games of all time are on that console. N64 to this day has the most daring 3D game design in existence.

Don't get me wrong, I disagree with rektmuhface, but to reduce the N64 lineup to just Ocarina and Mario 64 is equally fallacious. It had Ocarina of Time, Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Star Fox 64, Majora's Mask, Super Smash Bros., Goldeneye, Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Banjo Tooie, Diddy Kong Racing, Conker, F Zero X, Pokemon Snap, plus all the mid tier Nintendo and Rare stuff.

On the PS1 side, we got Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, Tactics, Vagrant Story, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Crash Bandicoot 1-3, Crash Team Racing, Spyro 1-3, Tekken, Castlevania Symphony of the Night, Resident Evil 1-3, Wipeout, and more.

My point is both systems had great, genre defining lineups that are still discussed today, and both were largely complementary- what the PS1 was good at, the N64 really was, well, not, and what the N64 excelled at was largely lacking from the PS1. Reducing either lineup to just one or two games (or worse, no game) is really dumb and revisionist.

Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie/Tooie, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Mario Kart, Turok Seeds of Evil, Smash Bros

Definitely. But the dude is acting like people talk about all these N64 classics all the time and nobody talks about PS1 games. Truth be told, only a handful of games at best are regularly discussed from either platfrom and for the N64, OoT and SM64 are pretty much it.

Obviously I'm not boiling the platform down to just being those two games, that's not the discussion at all. Those aren't even my favorite games on the platform.

But see this? People aren't going on and on about these games.

Yes they do. All the time. I have never once heard anyone ever mention an old PSX game besides FF7

And that's why you sound ridiculous right now.

You're going to tell me that people are discussing the grand old days of Turok Seeds of Evil everywhere you look, but you've never heard anyone mention SotN, MGS, FF9, FFT, etc, etc....?

Come on bro.

I agree. The only N64 games that get constant talk are SM64 and Ocarina, maybe Majora (I guess stuff like Goldeneye or Smash or Mario Kart 64 gets some talk in the multiplayer games department, but multiplayer games by nature are obsolete when the new installment comes along). Like on the PS1, on that tier we have FF7, and MGS, and maybe SotN (and I guess FF9, Xenogears, Dragon Quest come into discussion when JRPGs are being brought up). I understand better now what you are saying entirely- the actual paradigm shifting (or I guess, more accurately in these cases, paradigm creating) games on either platform is about equal in number (and the number isn't too big to begin with owing to both systems' ages). Thanks for clarifying, and my apologies for having misunderstood!

Nope, not once. Quit being a fanboy 4real. PSX was a terrible console full of half-assed 3rd party games.

@DarthaPerkinjan: There was a Ridge Racer game for the N64

The N64. Yeah the Playstation had more third party support, but the N64 was the better console.

1. Better controller. If the Dpad was a requirement of a game (ala No Mercy, WCW Revenge, Wrestlemania 2000) then you hold the controller that way; most other games utilized the joystick. It was far more comfortable than the Dualshock (to this day I hate the dualshock, and purposely bought a 3rd party controller for my PS3).

2. Library. N64 was the platform king, those games were leaps ahead of Crash and Spyro.

3. Multiplayer. The N64 is singlehandedly the greatest living room multiplayer console in existence.

4. Graphics, for in game N64. PSX gets the advantage for cinematics.

5. PSX had JRPG's, unquestionably, but N64 nearly dominated all other categories with far less games.

What it comes down to, like every generation, what exclusives do we have? N64 dominates that category. And what 3rd party titles were there that made the PSX so amazing except for Resident Evil or Metal Gear?

I haven't played the Banjo games. I've played Turok 2 and the other games listed in this post.

Exactly bro, we're on the same page.

And yeah, Majora has been making its way into the discussion more and more over the years and rightfully so. Just as FF9 has been stealing some of the spotlight from FF7, though not as much as it should be.

Owned and loved both consoles bruh, nothing to be a fanboy about. And to be honest, I think Nintendo is a **** load better than Sony as a game company, even today.

I just think your argument is predicated on some nonsense. And even aside from it being straight up nonsense, it's anecdotal anyways.

I'm not saying you can't prefer the N64, there are plenty of reasons to love that console. All I'm saying is that you don't have to prop up your opinion with bullshit.

Nothing on psx is anywhere in the same league as Mario64, Ocarina/Majoras Mask, Wave Race, Fzerox, Blast Corps, Starfox64, Mario Kart 64....these games are classic in the same arena as Street Fighter, Pacman, Hang On, etc.

I do dig psx but it is perhaps the most overrated console in history.

EDIT: Oh, and Road Rash 64

Exactly. That was the biggest advantage PS1 discs had over N64 cartridges. The larger CD storage space could be negated by the N64's compression capabilities, but the far cheaper production costs could not.

From a technical perspective, N64 ROM cartridges were superior in almost every way, because they had exponentially faster read speeds (even faster than most of today's storage devices), could be used as extended RAM (equivalent to 8-64 MB RAM, like Gen 6 consoles), and had compression capabilities that could compress 1 GB worth of content down to 64 MB (negating the biggest technical advantage of PS1 CDs).

But from a financial perspective, cartridges were far too expensive. Arcade machines continued to use ROM cartridges, but it didn't make financial sense for consoles to continue using them. Nintendo were so focused on overpowering the PS1 with powerful cartridge technology that they ended up alienating developers and consumers with over-expensive costs.

Turbo CD, Sega CD, FM Towns Marty and 3DO all did CD gaming, had CD music players, and had memory cards. Out of those innovations, the dual-stick controller is the only one the PS1 deserves credit for. But even that was dependent on the N64's analog thumb-stick innovation to begin with. The N64 deserved to win Innovation.

However, I agree that the PS1 deserved to win Exclusives. The PS1 excelled in almost every genre of that era, whereas the N64 was severely lacking in many genres. The PS1 was a great console for both 2D and 3D games alike (the PS1 had both 2D and 3D capabilities, and was second only to the Saturn in 2D games), and in almost every genre, from fighting and sports to RPGs and adventures. The N64 had the better FPS and platformers, but had little to offer when it came to genres like RPGs and fighters, or 2D games in general (since the N64 lacked 2D sprite capabilities). In a genre-by-genre comparison, the PS1 takes the cake. The PS1 was clearly superior to the N64 in the exclusives department.

There was a bunch of PC games that released on the PS1 that never released on the N64. The first four Need for Speed games released on the PS1 and PC. So they werent exclusives, but they were not on the N64.

I still remember clearly my family choosing to buy the PS1 instead of the N64 because when we were renting the consoles we had a tough time finding good games to try on the N64, while the PS1 had dozens of fun games.

So i bet you think the Wii and Wii U have better libraries then the PS3 and PS4 because the top 1% of Nintendo's games are considered better then the top 1% of Sony's games?

PS had a lot more titles and variety. N64 certainly had a few amazing titles but so few games with any real depth to them.

Than ps4? Of course. PS4 is garbage. PS3? PS3 is a great console. One of the best imo. The difference is that there is solid stuff on the ps3. As much as I like the psx, many games like Syphon Filter are trash--plain and simple. Sports games on the psx are trash. Imo there are very few classics on the console. Twisted Metal 1 and 2, Metal Gear Solid, Einhander. The best of the best on N64 is rock solid. Sports titles like Wayne Gretsky, NFL Blitz, and NBA Hangtime stand the test of time. Racers like Wave Race and Fzerox are still the best in their respected genres. There is no game that even attempted what Mario64 did--maybe sunshine to an extent. The idea of 3D platforming seemed to go over all other developers. Ocarina is structurally sound. There's a reason people will buy these games again and again.

N64 is up there with the best, if not the best, in terms of housing the most classic games.

At the time, the PSone was superior because the N64 had abysmal game droughts. Looking at it today though, the N64 is better. A gen is defined by its best software, and the N64 had a quality over quantity philosophy. The PSone's biggest advantage was its sea of solid/average software, and today that software is all but forgotten.

It sucked at the time to only get a few good games a year for the N64, but in hindsight we have a whole gen worth of software, and the list you can make is extremely impressive.

Genre-by-genre comparison of both libraries, with the better console chosen for each genre:

• 2D Action-Adventure - PS1
• 2D Platformer - PS1
• 3D Action-Adventure - N64
• 3D Platformer - N64
• Adventure Game - PS1
• Arcade Racing - Tie
• Beat 'Em Up - PS1
• Fighting - PS1
• First-Person Shooter - N64
• Kart Racing - N64
• Light-Gun Shooter - PS1
• Metroidvania - PS1
• Music Game - PS1
• Open World - Tie
• Party Game - N64
• Racing Simulation - PS1
• Rail Shooter - Tie
• Role-Playing Game - PS1
• Shoot 'Em Up - PS1
• Simulation - PS1
• Sports - Tie
• Stealth - PS1
• Strategy - PS1
• Survival Horror - PS1
• Third-Person Shooter - Tie

Overall:

• PS1 - 20 genres (5 tied)
• N64 - 10 genres (5 tied)

Winner: PS1

Dude, I'm far from a PlayStation fanboy and I remember the likes of Tekken, Crash Bandicoot, Resident Evil, Metal Gear and many others being the talk of that platform, and yes, Conan (dare I say it, given our generally opposing views on this forum) is right about the PS being more of the talk especially on the internet.

Don't forget the four Star Wars titles: Shadows of the Empire (which has to be one of the most important pieces of Expanded Universe/Legends history, like Splinter of the Mind's Eye), Rogue Squadron, Episode I Racer (the biggest selling sci-fi/futuristic racer, which no single F-Zero or Wipeout has ever outsold), and Battle for Naboo. Everything released on the PlayStation in that franchise was not received well: a bad port of Dark Forces (which is otherwise a great FPS), Masters of Teras Kasi (considered one of the worst fighting games ever made), Jedi Power Battles (Dreamcast version was better received), Phantom Menace, Demolition.

FFVII?

Gran Turismo?

Metal Gear Solid?

Symphony of the Night?

I agree with you 100%...NOBODY ever talks about any PSX game./sarcasm

@mesome713: no way, Crash Bandicoot looks way better and still plays well compared to something like Mario 64, or most N64 games. The only game that really stands up to PS1 is Ocarina of Time.

Muahahaha. You so funny.

Indeed, Diddy Kong Racing > All.

@SecretPolice: Diddy Kong Racing is not as fluid as Crash Team Racing.

@mesome713: you've literally said nothing positive about PS1, why would anyone take your troll comments seriously though?

While Mario 64 hasn't aged very well, Crash Bandicoot has aged far worse. N64 easily takes the cake in the 3D platformer category (like I mentioned in my genre comparison above). As for Ocarina of Time (as well as Majora's Mask), that easily blows away every 3D action-adventure on the PS1.

@Jag85: Crash Bandicoot has solid gameplay still, and doesnt suffer from bad camera angles because of its limited, linear camera view.

With the exceptions of Mario 64, star fox 64 and ocarina of time I never felt like I missed by not having an n64 during that gen. Now I know I also missed smash bros, Mario kart and paper Mario but everything was better on GameCube anyways

During it's time? I played the N64 much more. I was in middle/high school. It had the best multiplayer games which were becoming popular. Yeah the ps1 had Twisted Metal and Tekken but Nintendo had Golden Eye, Mario Kart and Smash Brothers. Nothing on the ps1 could even come close to that.

However the ps1 aged much better with me. Once my senior year came around 2001 I had moved on completely to the ps1. The only game I even played on my n64 was still OoT and Rogue Squadron. I started playing all the Resident Evils and FF VII, VIII and IX. I started playing Dragon Quest etc. So in the long run? The ps1 was the better overall console.

Hard choice though.

What? I said it was an awesome music player. Why you mad bro?

Dino egg snatching with planes & banana collecting game modes FTW. :P

I agree with this. However OBJECTIVELY speaking it cannot be argued that the PS1 had a superior overall library. It's just a fact. I am a diehard Dreamcast fan. Love a ton of its games. It is my fave console ever. However it cannot be argued that PS2 had more great games. That's just a fact. Same logic applies with N64 and PS1.

Not mad, just laughing at how moronic something like "40 years behind in techology" sounds.

Its always quality over quantity. People remember legends. They still play legends to this day.

Who said that? Sounds serious, i would be upset also.

@mesome713: the only games people still talk about from N64 are Super Mario, Zelda 0o0 and MM, Goldeneye....

@jcrame10: Them some good ones. What about my favorite, Ogre Battle 64? We still talk about that one a lot. And Star Fox? Come on now, how can you forget Star Fox?

@mesome713: I'm pretty sure the first is a niche title. You mind as well list Medievil on Ps1, then, as well.

Star Fox does not have the same relevance and popularity as Mario, Zelda or Goldeneye, mostly because it wasn't as groundbreaking or new, it was just an upscaled version of the Super Nintendo game.

Compare that to the transition that Mario and Zelda had, or what Goldeneye did for the first person shooter genre on consoles

Yes and there are more legends on PS1.

Crash Bandicoot's D-pad controls have aged horribly, And its linear gameplay is restrictive compared to the choice and freedom of Mario 64. While I don't think either game has aged all that well, Mario 64 has definitely aged way better than Crash Bandicoot. It wasn't even the best PS1 platformer of its time either, but I enjoyed Jumping Flash and Tomb Raider way more back then. However, I still wouldn't put them in the same league as Mario 64.

Agreed. My genre-by-genre comparison above reaches the same conclusion. The PS1 offers way more variety, and excels in far more genres, than the N64. Objectively, the PS1 had the superior game library.

I only announced it since people love bragging about FF Tactics on PS1. I agree Star Fox dont have the same level or popularity, but neither does 99% of PS1 games.

@Jag85: I play the crash games (physical copies) on my ps3, with my analog option turned on. But I think the first crash doesn't allow you to do that. I can't remember.

They're still pretty solid, at least when played on ps3. I haven't had a ps1 in over ten years

@mesome713: tomb raider, crash, spyro, metal gear solid, gran turismo, just a few that made an impact. A lot of ps1 game franchises are still popular today like mario and Zelda are

Keyword, Franchisees, but not the games themselves. Them N64 games are still played today and praised by many. They are legends in their own.

PS1 had more to choose from but the N64 had way higher highs in my opinion.

Has far as tech goes, PS1 had the upper hand in sound and textures, and its 3D games look great in still images. As soon as things move though, the trademark PS pixel dance and texture warp kicks in and everything jitters all over the place. N64 had more stretched texture maps but the 3D models looked SOLID in motion and it seemed to handle large 3D spaces much better.

Regarding innovation, I dont know how the **** you would give the PS1 that award when the N64 introduced rumble, analog control and laid out the foundation for 3D gameplay and 3D camera forever with both M64 and OOT.

Rareware, Acclaim and Nintendo were on fire.

Both great systems though.