wiisports and wiifit are first party too.. the wiimote is first party and the ds is first party.. zelda: PH has great innovative controls , and so have wii sports.i think you are the one playing modernised games mainly while you accuse nintendo of doing the same. fans ask fore these games.Voice over isn't required at all... why?. you have somne strange standards.. story is of NO importance in games and are usually very unoriginal (save the world/ defeat the enemy). The only thing i dislike about the wii are the graphics.. i'd like them to be up to par with 360 or ps3.. but gameplay is fine.Always-HonestAgain, you failed to address my post. You seem to be stuck on this idea that innovation = modernization, and it doesn't. Its even debateable if the wiimote is innovate. As far as modernization goes, that includes higher production values, voice acting, storytelling, etc. The whole concept of modernization is to bring the games into the modern era. You can't do that when you're dealing with time old concepts. Voice acting is quentesential to the modern game. All of Nintendo's major first party titles are stuck in the past. You can only play Zelda and Mario so many times.
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I wonder...if they are the best (don't get me wrong, I think they are top 3 devs)...why can't they make ANY new sucessful IPs. Nintendogs was one I suppose...but that's a gimmick game.dkhwMetroid prime? Pikmin? Diaster(potential) Advance wars? Batallion wars? etc.
I stopped reading when I saw this:
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Because it turned you on?
[QUOTE="dkhw"]I wonder...if they are the best (don't get me wrong, I think they are top 3 devs)...why can't they make ANY new sucessful IPs. Nintendogs was one I suppose...but that's a gimmick game.Marth6781Metroid prime? Pikmin? Diaster(potential) Advance wars? Batallion wars? etc.
Those aren't new. Pikmin was okay, but I haven't seen much new things this gen from Nintendo. The sequels have been amazing, but I think it's time for Nintendo to try something new like Insomniac has done, going to FPS.
[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]wiisports and wiifit are first party too.. the wiimote is first party and the ds is first party.. zelda: PH has great innovative controls , and so have wii sports.i think you are the one playing modernised games mainly while you accuse nintendo of doing the same. fans ask fore these games.Voice over isn't required at all... why?. you have somne strange standards.. story is of NO importance in games and are usually very unoriginal (save the world/ defeat the enemy). The only thing i dislike about the wii are the graphics.. i'd like them to be up to par with 360 or ps3.. but gameplay is fine.VandalvideoAgain, you failed to address my post. You seem to be stuck on this idea that innovation = modernization, and it doesn't. Its even debateable if the wiimote is innovate. As far as modernization goes, that includes higher production values, voice acting, storytelling, etc. The whole concept of modernization is to bring the games into the modern era. You can't do that when you're dealing with time old concepts. Voice acting is quentesential to the modern game. All of Nintendo's major first party titles are stuck in the past. You can only play Zelda and Mario so many times. :roll: like you dont play sequels. Whats funny is everytime releases a big name game somehow that genre is either pushed foward or people imitate. And untill I play a game that covers as many issues or has a better story than "the giver" an 8th grade book; story isn't important.
[QUOTE="Marth6781"] :roll: like you dont play sequels. Whats funny is everytime releases a big name game somehow that genre is either pushed foward or people imitate. And untill I play a game that covers as many issues or has a better story than "the giver" an 8th grade book; story isn't important.VandalvideoStory is extremely important. I play sequals all the time, heck I ended up buying the new Zelda, Mario, and Metroid games. Even with the waggle, I couldn't shake the feelings that I was still playing Ocarina of Time and the older itterations of the other games. Thats a serious problem that NEEDS to be addressed. You can only play the same old game so many times before it gets boring. They need to modernize their games. IF tthey're going to attempt a story, it better have VO and good storytelling.
I have to agree. Gaming is about the whole experience. Presentation. Sound. Graphics. Story. Multiplayer for shooters (Metroid Prime). To say that controller innovation = entire gaming experience is pure ignorance.
I'd have to say Blizzard is a better developer than Nintendo, simply for the fact of consistency. Whereas Nintendo games tend be loved by some hated by others, Blizzard games are generally loved by the masses. And I happen to dislike PC gaming... take from that what you will - It's only my opinion.
Nintendo games aren't loved by the masses? Have you seen gamerankings?I'd have to say Blizzard is a better developer than Nintendo, simply for the fact of consistency. Whereas Nintendo games tend be loved by some hated by others, Blizzard games are generally loved by the masses. And I happen to dislike PC gaming... take from that what you will - It's only my opinion.
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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]Nintendo games aren't loved by the masses? Have you seen gamerankings?I'd have to say Blizzard is a better developer than Nintendo, simply for the fact of consistency. Whereas Nintendo games tend be loved by some hated by others, Blizzard games are generally loved by the masses. And I happen to dislike PC gaming... take from that what you will - It's only my opinion.
Marth6781
Of course they are. I'm biting my fingers waiting for tomorrow to get here so I can go pick up my copy of Brawl. I never said Nintendo games weren't loved and adored, just that some love them and others hate them. Nintendo is a great developer; I just feel that Blizzard produces better and more critically acclaimed games. And lastly, I also said it was merely my opinion.
[QUOTE="Marth6781"] Metroid prime isnt modern? Zelda isnt modern? Mario isnt modern? Its funny how games try to imitate those 3 in their respective genre's yet fail. So if those games are old what does it say about the others? You rant on about presentation yet fail to realize story is only ONE PART. You want a "deep" story read a book, most devs agree to btw. No games today have stories that rival books. Anyways im stiil waiting on my "giver" challenge. VandalvideoZelda and Mario are most certainly not modern. They don't even have voice acting! The games are stuck in the past and relying on the gameplay mechanics of their predcessors. I like this lame cop out of "if you want a good story, read a book". Thats no excuse for Nintendo attempting a story and failing miserably. Like I said in my previous post, you better be prepared to hold Nintendo to the same standards as every other developer. IF they attempt something, and that something is crap, you BETTER down rank them for that. Nintendo attempted stories with zelda and mario, and those stories were crap. They deserve criticism for that.
i assume you are therefore going to rant the hell out of littlebigplanet when it comes out with not much of a story then.
Zelda and Mario are most certainly not modern. They don't even have voice acting! The games are stuck in the past and relying on the gameplay mechanics of their predcessors. I like this lame cop out of "if you want a good story, read a book". Thats no excuse for Nintendo attempting a story and failing miserably. Like I said in my previous post, you better be prepared to hold Nintendo to the same standards as every other developer. IF they attempt something, and that something is crap, you BETTER down rank them for that. Nintendo attempted stories with zelda and mario, and those stories were crap. They deserve criticism for that.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] Metroid prime isnt modern? Zelda isnt modern? Mario isnt modern? Its funny how games try to imitate those 3 in their respective genre's yet fail. So if those games are old what does it say about the others? You rant on about presentation yet fail to realize story is only ONE PART. You want a "deep" story read a book, most devs agree to btw. No games today have stories that rival books. Anyways im stiil waiting on my "giver" challenge. samusarmada
i assume you are therefore going to rant the hell out of littlebigplanet when it comes out with not much of a story then.
I have been knocking little big planet. Its nothing more than a modern adaptation of TIMs for the PC.Metroid prime isnt modern? Zelda isnt modern? Mario isnt modern? Its funny how games try to imitate those 3 in their respective genre's yet fail. So if those games are old what does it say about the others? You rant on about presentation yet fail to realize story is only ONE PART. You want a "deep" story read a book, most devs agree to btw. No games today have stories that rival books. Anyways im stiil waiting on my "giver" challenge. Marth6781
Dude, both Mario and Zelda are stuck in the past. Hell TP had MIDI music/sound effects and no voice acting, and all Nintendo fans could say was "zelda has always been like that!" Seriously, why can't they modernize and get with the times.
Zelda still plays like it always has, and SMG merely changed a slight bit over it's platforming predecessors.
I wonder...if they are the best (don't get me wrong, I think they are top 3 devs)...why can't they make ANY new sucessful IPs. Nintendogs was one I suppose...but that's a gimmick game.dkhw
nintendogs, wii-fit ,wii-sports ,u may not like em but those are their new ip's
Let's not forget that like 9 of the last 10 GOTYs were Nintendo exclusives.UssjTrunks
Because they made RE4?Goldeneye?Metroid Prime? lol
[QUOTE="dkhw"]I wonder...if they are the best (don't get me wrong, I think they are top 3 devs)...why can't they make ANY new sucessful IPs. Nintendogs was one I suppose...but that's a gimmick game.Kakarot00769
nintendogs, wii-fit ,wii-sports ,u may not like em but those are their new ip's
Wii sports and Wii fit? A work out game and a collection of poor mini games.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They sure are consistant with review scores, but I'd honestly like to see them modernize their franchises. Thats the main reason that I abhore Nintendo first party games. They're either whimsical nonsense or are outdated experiences. I'd like to see some cutscenes, intricate stories, voice acting, and higher production values.Always-Honest
blah, blah,.. nope. they are helping the industry forward. you aren't.
I use to think that, but they are not helping the industry. Actually they are splitting it. Two groups:
Casuals: Those who just experience video games on a touch-and-go bases i.e. parties, events, weddings, etc...
Hobbyists: Those who look for the high end quality gaming and consider it a past-time.
[QUOTE="Marth6781"] :roll: like you dont play sequels. Whats funny is everytime releases a big name game somehow that genre is either pushed foward or people imitate. And untill I play a game that covers as many issues or has a better story than "the giver" an 8th grade book; story isn't important.VandalvideoStory is extremely important. I play sequals all the time, heck I ended up buying the new Zelda, Mario, and Metroid games. Even with the waggle, I couldn't shake the feelings that I was still playing Ocarina of Time and the older itterations of the other games. Thats a serious problem that NEEDS to be addressed. You can only play the same old game so many times before it gets boring. They need to modernize their games. IF tthey're going to attempt a story, it better have VO and good storytelling.
No use arguing with them...they think because it's fun, therefore innovative. Modernization is foreign to Nintendo. Their goal is how can we maximize the fun value from old concepts. Then again you can't blame them for it because Nintendo isn't as deep pocketed as Sony or Microsoft.
[QUOTE="samusarmada"]Zelda and Mario are most certainly not modern. They don't even have voice acting! The games are stuck in the past and relying on the gameplay mechanics of their predcessors. I like this lame cop out of "if you want a good story, read a book". Thats no excuse for Nintendo attempting a story and failing miserably. Like I said in my previous post, you better be prepared to hold Nintendo to the same standards as every other developer. IF they attempt something, and that something is crap, you BETTER down rank them for that. Nintendo attempted stories with zelda and mario, and those stories were crap. They deserve criticism for that.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] Metroid prime isnt modern? Zelda isnt modern? Mario isnt modern? Its funny how games try to imitate those 3 in their respective genre's yet fail. So if those games are old what does it say about the others? You rant on about presentation yet fail to realize story is only ONE PART. You want a "deep" story read a book, most devs agree to btw. No games today have stories that rival books. Anyways im stiil waiting on my "giver" challenge. Vandalvideo
i assume you are therefore going to rant the hell out of littlebigplanet when it comes out with not much of a story then.
I have been knocking little big planet. Its nothing more than a modern adaptation of TIMs for the PC.fair enough then.
My contribution would be that i think zelda does need updating. It is the type of game that needs high production value in most areas. I dont think link should talk but I think voice acting should be added next time. I think the story needs to be more fleshed out. i am generally fine with the whole Ganondorf is bacck...again thing. But i think it should be fleshed out some more. I.e. less dungeons and more story driven moments (like carrying the sick midna to zelda)
I really dont think mario needs much of an update however. Voice acting was in sunshine and it sucked so Im glad that most of the characters remain muted or have no lines at all. I think the story could be expanded upon by putting more comic twist on it (the paper mario series already shows that nintendo are capable enough in humor). I am one of those people who really like Rosalina's story book so i have to say i still like the "cliche whimsical stories" as you put it. I would have to say though, that i would prefer the story to remain in the back seat of a mario game. We all know where its strength is.
[QUOTE="Marth6781"]
Metroid prime isnt modern? Zelda isnt modern? Mario isnt modern? Its funny how games try to imitate those 3 in their respective genre's yet fail. So if those games are old what does it say about the others? You rant on about presentation yet fail to realize story is only ONE PART. You want a "deep" story read a book, most devs agree to btw. No games today have stories that rival books. Anyways im stiil waiting on my "giver" challenge. Donkey_Puncher
Dude, both Mario and Zelda are stuck in the past. Hell TP had MIDI music/sound effects and no voice acting, and all Nintendo fans could say was "zelda has always been like that!" Seriously, why can't they modernize and get with the times.
Zelda still plays like it always has, and SMG merely changed a slight bit over it's platforming predecessors.
You do know why Nintendo still uses Midi it is because in a games when you go into a battle for some games they need a pause because the game has to change the song, but with Midi the music can easily make a tranistion to the next song without having any pause that is why Nintendo still uses Midi. Also Twilight Princess had some Voice Acting Midna had a voice it was in a different Language Navi talked in Ocarina of Time, Mario talks they don't have heavy dialogue in his games he has talked since Mario 64, they also had voice acting in Mario Kart series ever since Mario Kart 64, SSB series had voice acting since its begining, Nintendo just doesn't like having heavy voice acting.[QUOTE="dkhw"]I wonder...if they are the best (don't get me wrong, I think they are top 3 devs)...why can't they make ANY new sucessful IPs. Nintendogs was one I suppose...but that's a gimmick game.Kakarot00769
nintendogs, wii-fit ,wii-sports ,u may not like em but those are their new ip's
This is the real chick in your sig... welcome to reality.
[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]wiisports and wiifit are first party too.. the wiimote is first party and the ds is first party.. zelda: PH has great innovative controls , and so have wii sports.i think you are the one playing modernised games mainly while you accuse nintendo of doing the same. fans ask fore these games.Voice over isn't required at all... why?. you have somne strange standards.. story is of NO importance in games and are usually very unoriginal (save the world/ defeat the enemy). The only thing i dislike about the wii are the graphics.. i'd like them to be up to par with 360 or ps3.. but gameplay is fine.VandalvideoAgain, you failed to address my post. You seem to be stuck on this idea that innovation = modernization, and it doesn't. Its even debateable if the wiimote is innovate. As far as modernization goes, that includes higher production values, voice acting, storytelling, etc. The whole concept of modernization is to bring the games into the modern era. You can't do that when you're dealing with time old concepts. Voice acting is quentesential to the modern game. All of Nintendo's major first party titles are stuck in the past. You can only play Zelda and Mario so many times.
wiimote = innovation in controls and gameplay..
storytelling has NOTHING to do with modernisation or innovation.. NOTHING.. voice acting might be a techincall isuue.. but they could easily do this. Higher productiuon values?. nintendo has the highest production values in their first party titles.
Some games have old concepts.. like i allready confirmed. so do almost ALL the game YOU play.
again wiisports and wiifit are not in the past.. and first party.
what you fail to see is that YOU are proibably playing far more old games than wii owners. almost VERYTHING on 360 and PS3 are graphicall upgrades of the same games (some increadibly good, and i like to play them) lets' keep it real here.
With out the wii, there would be three of the same consoles.. multi media devices with slightly upgraded games.
The wii opens up new world of gaming. the problem is.,. they are game YOU don't want to play because YOU are stucvk in the past.
YOu won't play wii fiut and wii sports.. you wan to play either a old rpg or shooter.. cause that's ALL that ps3 and 360 offer.
I don't mind, cause i like upgraded shooters and rpg's, but i also like real innovation like wii sports, wii fitt, Flow (which i DOUBT you played cause no story = end of story for you), echodrome (which i DOIUBT you will play.. no story = end of story for you)..
you are full of it.
wiimote = innovation in controls and gameplay storytelling has NOTHING to do with modernisation or innovation.. NOTHING.. voice acting might be a techincall isuue.. but they could easily do this. Higher productiuon values?. nintendo has the highest production values in their first party titles.Some games have old concepts.. like i allready confirmed. so do almost ALL the game YOU play. again wiisports and wiifit are not in the past.. and first party.what you fail to see is that YOU are proibably playing far more old games than wii owners. almost VERYTHING on 360 and PS3 are graphicall upgrades of the same games (some increadibly good, and i like to play them) lets' keep it real here.With out the wii, there would be three of the same consoles.. multi media devices with slightly upgraded games.he wii opens up new world of gaming. the problem is.,. they are game YOU don't want to play because YOU are stucvk in the past.YOu won't play wii fiut and wii sports.. you wan to play either a old rpg or shooter.. cause that's ALL that ps3 and 360 offer.I don't mind, cause i like upgraded shooters and rpg's, but i also like real innovation like wii sports, wii fitt, Flow (which i DOUBT you played cause no story = end of story for you), echodrome (which i DOIUBT you will play.. no story = end of story for you)..Always-HonestStorytelling is only one of the major facets of modernization alongside voice acting, high calibur music (not midi remixes), gameplay, cutscenes, etc. You CANNOT excuse NIntendo for crappy stories just because they're Nintendo. If they attempt something and that something is crap, you BETTER hold them accountable for that. Nintendo is stuick in the past with most of their first party titles; Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. How am I the one stuck in the past when they're standing still? I'm holding Nintendo up to the same standards as the entire industry. Its called being FAIR. I will not make exceptions just because they're Nintendo. Did I ever say that I won't be playing these games? You're putting words in my mouth. Because I'm an objective gamer, I play all the games before I speak a word about them. I bought Zelda, THEN I bashed it. I bought mario, THEN i pointed out its flaws. I bought Halo 3, THEN I pointed out the issues in that game. I buy my games THEN I comment on the problems they have.
[QUOTE="Marth6781"] Didnt know the stories were crap. You seriously need to read a book; you think story and voice acting are modern, its been here since the SNES days. Level design and gameplay, ALWAYS come first, MUSIC is more important than story. So since nintendo stories supposedly suck, bring down the rank of EVERY DEV. since their music, gameplay, atmosphere, level design, funfactor COMPLETLY SUCK. See what I did there? Anyways you rave about story yet you cant name a game with a better story than "the giver", how bout i dumb it down(pun intended), name something better than DR. suessVandalvideoMusic and story are two of the most important factors when I'm deciding a game purchase. Thats why two of my favorite games of all time are Silent Hill and Suikoden. Like I said in the earlier post, that you so easily edited out, these two games have some of the best stories and music of all time. Suikoden is based off of the chinese mythos of Water margin, one of China's greatest four classical novels. Silent Hill is based off of the mine fires and subsequent evactuation of Centralia, Pennslyvania. Story is extremely important in video games, as it provides motivation to continue playing. If I want instant gratification I'll go play plinkos for 10 bucks. I expect more out of aproduct I'm paying almost 50-60 bucks for! The music and the story in God of War get you going... the music in this game is so awesome.
Story is extremely important. I play sequals all the time, heck I ended up buying the new Zelda, Mario, and Metroid games. Even with the waggle, I couldn't shake the feelings that I was still playing Ocarina of Time and the older itterations of the other games. Thats a serious problem that NEEDS to be addressed. You can only play the same old game so many times before it gets boring. They need to modernize their games. IF tthey're going to attempt a story, it better have VO and good storytelling.[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Marth6781"] :roll: like you dont play sequels. Whats funny is everytime releases a big name game somehow that genre is either pushed foward or people imitate. And untill I play a game that covers as many issues or has a better story than "the giver" an 8th grade book; story isn't important.dkhw
I have to agree. Gaming is about the whole experience. Presentation. Sound. Graphics. Story. Multiplayer for shooters (Metroid Prime). To say that controller innovation = entire gaming experience is pure ignorance.
will wright said it best ..(and believe me he knows more than you and me )
"the PS3 and the Xbox 360 feel like better versions of the last, but pretty much the same game with incremental improvement. But the Wii feels like a major jump - not that the graphics are more powerful, but that it hits a completely different demographic
-in other words you can now do motion controls of your character ,that has never been done b4 in gaming ..thats a huge leap in gaming much more so than voice acting ( which is crappy most of the time)
[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]wiimote = innovation in controls and gameplay storytelling has NOTHING to do with modernisation or innovation.. NOTHING.. voice acting might be a techincall isuue.. but they could easily do this. Higher productiuon values?. nintendo has the highest production values in their first party titles.Some games have old concepts.. like i allready confirmed. so do almost ALL the game YOU play. again wiisports and wiifit are not in the past.. and first party.what you fail to see is that YOU are proibably playing far more old games than wii owners. almost VERYTHING on 360 and PS3 are graphicall upgrades of the same games (some increadibly good, and i like to play them) lets' keep it real here.With out the wii, there would be three of the same consoles.. multi media devices with slightly upgraded games.he wii opens up new world of gaming. the problem is.,. they are game YOU don't want to play because YOU are stucvk in the past.YOu won't play wii fiut and wii sports.. you wan to play either a old rpg or shooter.. cause that's ALL that ps3 and 360 offer.I don't mind, cause i like upgraded shooters and rpg's, but i also like real innovation like wii sports, wii fitt, Flow (which i DOUBT you played cause no story = end of story for you), echodrome (which i DOIUBT you will play.. no story = end of story for you)..VandalvideoStorytelling is only one of the major facets of modernization alongside voice acting, high calibur music (not midi remixes), gameplay, cutscenes, etc. You CANNOT excuse NIntendo for crappy stories just because they're Nintendo. If they attempt something and that something is crap, you BETTER hold them accountable for that. Nintendo is stuick in the past with most of their first party titles; Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. How am I the one stuck in the past when they're standing still? I'm holding Nintendo up to the same standards as the entire industry. Its called being FAIR. I will not make exceptions just because they're Nintendo. Did I ever say that I won't be playing these games? You're putting words in my mouth. Because I'm an objective gamer, I play all the games before I speak a word about them. I bought Zelda, THEN I bashed it. I bought mario, THEN i pointed out its flaws. I bought Halo 3, THEN I pointed out the issues in that game. I buy my games THEN I comment on the problems they have. You know what, im done. You still seem to think story is the only part of modernization. Have fun with counter strike and COD4 fanboy.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Always-Honest"]wiimote = innovation in controls and gameplay storytelling has NOTHING to do with modernisation or innovation.. NOTHING.. voice acting might be a techincall isuue.. but they could easily do this. Higher productiuon values?. nintendo has the highest production values in their first party titles.Some games have old concepts.. like i allready confirmed. so do almost ALL the game YOU play. again wiisports and wiifit are not in the past.. and first party.what you fail to see is that YOU are proibably playing far more old games than wii owners. almost VERYTHING on 360 and PS3 are graphicall upgrades of the same games (some increadibly good, and i like to play them) lets' keep it real here.With out the wii, there would be three of the same consoles.. multi media devices with slightly upgraded games.he wii opens up new world of gaming. the problem is.,. they are game YOU don't want to play because YOU are stucvk in the past.YOu won't play wii fiut and wii sports.. you wan to play either a old rpg or shooter.. cause that's ALL that ps3 and 360 offer.I don't mind, cause i like upgraded shooters and rpg's, but i also like real innovation like wii sports, wii fitt, Flow (which i DOUBT you played cause no story = end of story for you), echodrome (which i DOIUBT you will play.. no story = end of story for you)..Marth6781Storytelling is only one of the major facets of modernization alongside voice acting, high calibur music (not midi remixes), gameplay, cutscenes, etc. You CANNOT excuse NIntendo for crappy stories just because they're Nintendo. If they attempt something and that something is crap, you BETTER hold them accountable for that. Nintendo is stuick in the past with most of their first party titles; Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. How am I the one stuck in the past when they're standing still? I'm holding Nintendo up to the same standards as the entire industry. Its called being FAIR. I will not make exceptions just because they're Nintendo. Did I ever say that I won't be playing these games? You're putting words in my mouth. Because I'm an objective gamer, I play all the games before I speak a word about them. I bought Zelda, THEN I bashed it. I bought mario, THEN i pointed out its flaws. I bought Halo 3, THEN I pointed out the issues in that game. I buy my games THEN I comment on the problems they have. You know what, im done. You still seem to think story is the only part of modernization. Have fun with counter strike and COD4 fanboy. Now I know you didn't read my post, you wanna know how? Read my first sentence! "Story is only one of the major facets of modernization alongside voice acting, high calibur music, cutscenes, new gameplay mechanics, etc".
Storytelling is only one of the major facets of modernization alongside voice acting, high calibur music (not midi remixes), gameplay, cutscenes, etc. You CANNOT excuse NIntendo for crappy stories just because they're Nintendo. If they attempt something and that something is crap, you BETTER hold them accountable for that. Nintendo is stuick in the past with most of their first party titles; Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. How am I the one stuck in the past when they're standing still? I'm holding Nintendo up to the same standards as the entire industry. Its called being FAIR. I will not make exceptions just because they're Nintendo. Did I ever say that I won't be playing these games? You're putting words in my mouth. Because I'm an objective gamer, I play all the games before I speak a word about them. I bought Zelda, THEN I bashed it. I bought mario, THEN i pointed out its flaws. I bought Halo 3, THEN I pointed out the issues in that game. I buy my games THEN I comment on the problems they have.Vandalvideo
storytelling is ancient.. nothing modern about it... it all started with story telling...
Lots of games have crappy stories, 99%. I don't need a story in a game. i want good gameplay. LOTS OF GREAT GAMES WITH NO STORY OR BAD STORY.. stop with saying story is important in games. it's NOT. maybe to you, but it's NOT.
Nintendo isn't stuck in the past, FANS are stuck in the past. Nintendo tries new things thank god. And even when they please the fans, they try new things.
I also play games first before i say anything about them. therefre it's easy for me to say that Nintendo at least TRIES to bring something different. Wiisports might not be the best game, but it's new and refreshing. The wiimote is also MUCH more immersive and intuitve for shooters. to badgraphics suck butt, but i'd like to use the controller in the many shooters i play on Ps3 or 360.
i put words in your mouth cause i think you are talking nonsense. YOU play rehashes all the time, just like me.. i think you bash the Wii without valid reasons. Technically the wii could have been better, but it would also been more expensive. They trying to expand the gaming audience and the gaming industry so it will become a normal part of everyones life like reading, movies and music
if it were up to YOU, gaming would be for a small group of people that has no creativity. gaming would Die.
storytelling is ancient.. nothing modern about it... it all started with story telling...Lots of games have crappy stories, 99%. I don't need a story in a game. i want good gameplay. LOTS OF GREAT GAMES WITH NO STORY OR BAD STORY.. stop with saying story is important in games. it's NOT. maybe to you, but it's NOT.Nintendo isn't stuck in the past, FANS are stuck in the past. Nintendo tries new things thank god. And even when they please the fans, they try new things. I also play games first before i say anything about them. therefre it's easy for me to say that Nintendo at least TRIES to bring something different. Wiisports might not be the best game, but it's new and refreshing. The wiimote is also MUCH more immersive and intuitve for shooters. to badgraphics suck butt, but i'd like to use the controller in the many shooters i play on Ps3 or 360 i put words in your mouth cause i think you are talking nonsense. YOU play rehashes all the time, just like me.. i think you bash the Wii without valid reasons. Technically the wii could have been better, but it would also been more expensive. They trying to expand the gaming audience and the gaming industry so it will become a normal part of everyones life like reading, movies and music if it were up to YOU, gaming would be for a small group of people that has no creativity. gaming would Die.Always-HonestA good story is actually relatively modern in the gaming industry, considering how games used to not have a story at all. Good stories are indeed one facet of modernization. Nintendo is the one stuck in the past. THEY keep making games that are stuck in the past. You should hold them accountable for this. Just because its Nintendo DOES NOT mean you can forgive them for a horrible story. As far as the wiimote goes, YOUR OPINION. I myself was taken-aback by the waggle and the wiimote. OMG I'm firing a TV remote at my television with horrible native sound. Teh immersion. :o And again, I AM NOT bashing the wii, I'm merely holding it to the same standards as everyone else in the industry.
[QUOTE="Demetri_OS"][QUOTE="Kakarot00769"][QUOTE="Demetri_OS"]Remember when Nintendo was trounced by the PS1 in the N64 days? There is your dispute.
And how the PS2 destroyed the Gamecube?
Sure they have the handheld market and the Wii is "winning". But, it is in no way "undisputed".
Kakarot00769
come up w/ any aaa e from psp and ps3 that are made by sony (not its 3rd parties) .we will see how many they have?
The OP states UNDISPUTED. When Nintendo clearly IS disputed.
You question makes NO sense, since I already stated the DS (PSP's competition) and the Wii (PS3's competition) is ahead. Right now, sure, they are doing great. But, since you asked it, you answer it. I do not care. I am addressing the OP on the undisputed remark.
But, in the past, they held a terrible market share with the Gamecube. And the N64 was wrecked by the PS1 (Nintendo lost Final Fantasy, Sony got Resiedent Evil, Sony got Metal Gear, Sony got Gran Turismo, etc. etc.)
Don't forget the past, thats where Nintendo make MANY mistakes.
do u have that lists of AAAE titles that are made by sony for the psp and ps3 (not their 3rd parties) yet ? or are you still talking about teh past?
this put an end to this little conversation real quick :lol:
rofl @ sony being a better DEVELOPER than nintendo......cows can be real delusional sometimes
don't be mad wii-haters, nintendo's simply the best right now
5AAAE's in just a year and a half time span? wii-haters, go ahead and name another developer that has accomplished this. please, don't get angry and try to argue with me, just a name another developer that has done this. i'll be waiting.
um no voice chat in brawl? enuf said, the online coulda been alterd for brawl i mean come on no voice chat, thats an absolute joke, nintendo coulda done something to compensate for itMicrosoft1234
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anything you say from now on to bash SSBB can and will be rendered null and void
Well they've also had more time than Sony and MS. kool-aids
i posted the DS and Wii titles from nintendo got AAAE from GS and they were quite a few ,i challenge you or any1 in here to come up with AAAE titles that are made by Sony (not 3rd party) for psp and ps3 since release and MS (not 3rd party) since xbox 360 was released ,see if they can come up w/ more AAAE
[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]storytelling is ancient.. nothing modern about it... it all started with story telling...Lots of games have crappy stories, 99%. I don't need a story in a game. i want good gameplay. LOTS OF GREAT GAMES WITH NO STORY OR BAD STORY.. stop with saying story is important in games. it's NOT. maybe to you, but it's NOT.Nintendo isn't stuck in the past, FANS are stuck in the past. Nintendo tries new things thank god. And even when they please the fans, they try new things. I also play games first before i say anything about them. therefre it's easy for me to say that Nintendo at least TRIES to bring something different. Wiisports might not be the best game, but it's new and refreshing. The wiimote is also MUCH more immersive and intuitve for shooters. to badgraphics suck butt, but i'd like to use the controller in the many shooters i play on Ps3 or 360 i put words in your mouth cause i think you are talking nonsense. YOU play rehashes all the time, just like me.. i think you bash the Wii without valid reasons. Technically the wii could have been better, but it would also been more expensive. They trying to expand the gaming audience and the gaming industry so it will become a normal part of everyones life like reading, movies and music if it were up to YOU, gaming would be for a small group of people that has no creativity. gaming would Die.VandalvideoA good story is actually relatively modern in the gaming industry, considering how games used to not have a story at all. Good stories are indeed one facet of modernization. Nintendo is the one stuck in the past. THEY keep making games that are stuck in the past. You should hold them accountable for this. Just because its Nintendo DOES NOT mean you can forgive them for a horrible story. As far as the wiimote goes, YOUR OPINION. I myself was taken-aback by the waggle and the wiimote. OMG I'm firing a TV remote at my television with horrible native sound. Teh immersion. :o And again, I AM NOT bashing the wii, I'm merely holding it to the same standards as everyone else in the industry.
Why is it most of Nintendo's games have bad storylines? Have they ever created a good story built game?
Call me up when they make a story that is better than MGS or Bioshock.
A good story is actually relatively modern in the gaming industry, considering how games used to not have a story at all. Good stories are indeed one facet of modernization. Nintendo is the one stuck in the past. THEY keep making games that are stuck in the past. You should hold them accountable for this. Just because its Nintendo DOES NOT mean you can forgive them for a horrible story. As far as the wiimote goes, YOUR OPINION. I myself was taken-aback by the waggle and the wiimote. OMG I'm firing a TV remote at my television with horrible native sound. Teh immersion. :o And again, I AM NOT bashing the wii, I'm merely holding it to the same standards as everyone else in the industry.Vandalvideo
-lots of games had stories.
-most stories today are the same and uninspired (save the world, save somebody, good vs evil).
-the wiimote is far more immersive (no opinon, proven fact as it's far easier to pick up and play), yet some people are too used to the ancient dual analog controller (though it was much harder to learn those controls, but you forgot)
-i forgive nintendo for not spending too much time on something as irrelevcant as a story (although they have games with just as great storiesas other games, you generalis)
-the sound in the wiimote is horrible,i agree. but in some games it;'s a great feature.
-you are NOT holding the same standards, you are holding the 360 and PS3 standards....
anayway, we disagree. i am right and you are wrong.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]A good story is actually relatively modern in the gaming industry, considering how games used to not have a story at all. Good stories are indeed one facet of modernization. Nintendo is the one stuck in the past. THEY keep making games that are stuck in the past. You should hold them accountable for this. Just because its Nintendo DOES NOT mean you can forgive them for a horrible story. As far as the wiimote goes, YOUR OPINION. I myself was taken-aback by the waggle and the wiimote. OMG I'm firing a TV remote at my television with horrible native sound. Teh immersion. :o And again, I AM NOT bashing the wii, I'm merely holding it to the same standards as everyone else in the industry.Always-Honest
-lots of games had stories.
-most stories today are the same and uninspired (save the world, save somebody, good vs evil).
-the wiimote is far more immersive (no opinon, proven fact as it's far easier to pick up and play), yet some people are too used to the ancient dual analog controller (though it was much harder to learn those controls, but you forgot)
-i forgive nintendo for not spending too much time on something as irrelevcant as a story (although they have games with just as great storiesas other games, you generalis)
-the sound in the wiimote is horrible,i agree. but in some games it;'s a great feature.
-you are NOT holding the same standards, you are holding the 360 and PS3 standards....
anayway, we disagree.i am right and you are wrong.
..You don't understand the basic concept of opinions do you?
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