Nintendo Can't Do Everything

I think it is time for a reality check. Nintendo has several flaws, we all know this, but do people think that they have an unlimited work force that can make any game they want? Do they think that every single one of their development teams should be flawless? Here are just a few facts to keep you in order.

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1. Nintendo invested more than $140 million in research and development in 2002; the U.S. government spent less than half as much on research and innovation in education.

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That was in 2002, I'm sure that it is much more now. That is a huge amount of money and i'm sure that no other company sinks that amount into R&D.

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2. Nintendo Published Titles above 80% on GameRankings from the Wii and DS:

Wii:

4 AAA titles

3 AA titles

1. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - 93.9%
2. WarioWare: Smooth Moves - 81.9%
3. Super Paper Mario - 84.9%
4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption - 89.7%
5. Super Mario Galaxy - 97.3%
6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl - 94.2%
7. Mario Kart Wii - 88.6%

DS:

2 AAA

21 AA

1. Super Mario 64 DS - 86.3%
2. PictoChat - 80.0%
3. WarioWare: Touched! - 81.7%
4. Kirby: Canvas Curse - 87.0%
5. Advance Wars: Dual Strike - 90.1%
6. Nintendogs: Labrador and Friends - 84.8%
7. Metroid Prime Pinball - 80.4%
8. Mario Kart DS - 91.7%
9. Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time - 85.3%
10. Animal Crossing: Wild World - 86.3%
11. Tetris DS - 86.6%
12. Metroid Prime: Hunters - 84.2%
13. New Super Mario Bros. - 88.9%
14. Clubhouse Games - 82.9%
15. Elite Beat Agents - 87.4%
16. Yoshi's Island DS - 81.8%
17. Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - 80.0%
18. Pokemon Pearl - 85.2%
19. Planet Puzzle League - 86.9%
20. Picross DS - 82.3%
21. The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass - 89.0%
22. Advance Wars: Days of Ruin - 85.7%
23. Professor Layton and the Curious Village - 85.6%

Oh, but this is not nearly enough right? These games are all rehashes right? They didn't take up hundreds of millions of dollars! They have all been done before... it's just Nintendo! These games didn't take the time and dedication of thousands of men and women! Nintendo wouldn't do that! They don't care about us! Right?

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3. In 2002, Nintendo bought Retro Studios for 1 million dollars to help them create the Metroid Prime franchise, currently the third best game of all time according to GameRankings.

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but.... Nintendo doesn't care about the Hardcore! They only care about casuals... that was way back in 2002!

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4. In 2007, Nintendo bought Monolith soft. for an unknown amount of money. They are the creators of Xenosaga and are currently working on the now 3-years-in-development game, Disaster: Day of Crisis.

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who cares? They have yet to prove themselves! They have never made an AAA game, and only AAA games matter!

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5. Nintendo secures the rights to Fatal Frame and Techmo hands it over to Grasshopper and Nintendo to dual develop Fatal Frame 4 for the Nintendo Wii.

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lol, Fatal Frame? That game isn't popular... who cares? Does it matter that it is possibly the scariest franchise in gaming? Nah! Nintendo doesn't care!

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6. Nintendo officially steals Monster Hunter 3 away from the PlayStation 3 and the game becomes exclusive on Wii.

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That must mean that Capcom just doesn't want to work on the title and only make a quick buck even though they have confirmed that it is the most expensive Wii endeavor they have ever done and that they have huge plans for it when it launches in America.

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7. Nintendo manages 2 gaming divisions, creates some of the best games in the world, single-handedly holds up their own consoles with amazing software, appeals to every audience imaginable, but is never good enough.

link = system wars.

Awesome post... But I can for see some troll coming in to bash.X_Evo

ah... i'm sure few will read it. Whenever I do these types of posts... many miss certain points and we end up in a completely different direction. But this is System Wars... >_>

There's nothing more that I love than propaganda.elbow2k

and what exactly am I promoting? If anything... i'm defending. I'm not saying that Nintendo is perfect (because they are far from it... mostly their hardware development), but I think people create unrealistic expectations for a single company.

Example:

Person 1: Nintendo's 3rd party support sucks

Person 2: Why could that be?

Person 1: Because Nintendo purposfully tells the 3rd parties to make games that will appeal to few people on their consoles like No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Trauma Center, Fatal Frame, Sam and Max, Deadly Creatures, Boom Blox, De Blob, Okami, and everything else.

Person 2: That is not Nintendo's fault. *slaps*

Holy crap they bought Retro for only $1 million! man what a deal for such incredible talent.laughingman42

well... at the time, they were failing. Nintendo fired over 2/3rd of their staff in order to reduce their spending. It was a bad time a year before Metorid Prime came out. But they somehow turned their act around and dominated.

kansasdude2009

Whom are you defending from? You know what you are doing is exactly what propaganda is.

"...is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people. Instead of impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience. The most effective propaganda is often completely truthful, but some propaganda presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience."

The information that you are trying to present is nothing different than any other System Wars post attempting to defame someone or something, and boost the public perception of said cause.

you know you're right, it's sometimes hard to remember that nintendo is just a developing company really.nintendo-4life

Nintendo makes hardware to fit their software really. Every controller they have ever made was designed around their games... which is very smart of them. Sadly, 3rd party developers are too dumb to study this and look at what Nintendo does correctly in order to create better games on their system. Either that, or they are too busy trying to "test" the audience that they don't fully support any Nintendo system at all!

*begins to rant*

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]you know you're right, it's sometimes hard to remember that nintendo is just a developing company really.kansasdude2009

Nintendo makes hardware to fit their software really. Every controller they have ever made was designed around their games... which is very smart of them. Sadly, 3rd party developers are too dumb to study this and look at what Nintendo does correctly in order to create better games on their system. Either that, or they are too busy trying to "test" the audience that they don't fully support any Nintendo system at all!

*begins to rant*

Yeah, the 'testing' is starting to peeve me off. Seriously Capcom, when's the final exam?

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Holy crap they bought Retro for only $1 million! man what a deal for such incredible talent.kansasdude2009

well... at the time, they were failing. Nintendo fired over 2/3rd of their staff in order to reduce their spending. It was a bad time a year before Metorid Prime came out. But they somehow turned their act around and dominated.

learn something new everyday

:LOL

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]elbow2k

Whom are you defending from? You know what you are doing is exactly what propaganda is.

"...is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behavior of large numbers of people. Instead of impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience. The most effective propaganda is often completely truthful, but some propaganda presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience."

The information that you are trying to present is nothing different than any other System Wars post attempting to defame someone or something, and boost the public perception of said cause.

and where did you get that definition? Let me guess, you picked it from a source to fit your needs correctly?

WOW!

Instead of looking for a definition, let us look at some synonyms:

1. Advertising
2. brainwashing
3. disinformation
4. "hogwash"
5. publicity
6. promotion

here is my link

And because all of my information is TRUE as I give links for everything... I fail to understand your point.

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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]you know you're right, it's sometimes hard to remember that nintendo is just a developing company really.goblaa

Nintendo makes hardware to fit their software really. Every controller they have ever made was designed around their games... which is very smart of them. Sadly, 3rd party developers are too dumb to study this and look at what Nintendo does correctly in order to create better games on their system. Either that, or they are too busy trying to "test" the audience that they don't fully support any Nintendo system at all!

*begins to rant*

Yeah, the 'testing' is starting to peeve me off. Seriously Capcom, when's the final exam?

Monster Hunter 3

kansasdude2009

The "source" was Wikipidia; however if you still share the same reservations let me find more definitions for you.

prop·a·gan·da
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.

Taken from Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.

Propaganda can be true, it can be factual news articles, however what you fail ascertain is the way you've structured your composition in order promote the efforts of Nintendo at the cost of perhaps defaming the efforts of other companies, and even pinning the blame of its poor third party support on the backs of developers.

[QUOTE="goblaa"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]you know you're right, it's sometimes hard to remember that nintendo is just a developing company really.kansasdude2009

Nintendo makes hardware to fit their software really. Every controller they have ever made was designed around their games... which is very smart of them. Sadly, 3rd party developers are too dumb to study this and look at what Nintendo does correctly in order to create better games on their system. Either that, or they are too busy trying to "test" the audience that they don't fully support any Nintendo system at all!

*begins to rant*

Yeah, the 'testing' is starting to peeve me off. Seriously Capcom, when's the final exam?

Monster Hunter 3

Monster hunter 3 could turn into a PSP port. Third party companies are either in a silent protest against wii ro they are just oblivious to the fact that its a huge source of money.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]elbow2k

The "source" was Wikipidia; however if you still share the same reservations let me find more definitions for you.

prop·a·gan·da
1. information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.

Taken from Webster's Unabridged Dictionary.

Propaganda can be true, it can be factual news articles, however what you fail ascertain is the way you've structured your composition in order promote the efforts of Nintendo at the cost of perhaps defaming the efforts of other companies, and even pinning the blame of its poor third party support on the backs of developers.

Monster hunter 3 could turn into a PSP port. Third party companies are either in a silent protest against wii ro they are just oblivious to the fact that its a huge source of money.

Cyber-

While I do believe that the third party developers do have some blame in the poor quality of the Wii's third party games, I feel that Nintendo as a company, console developer, game developer, and "innovator" should work with developers in order to get that monkey of their back.

At the current moment, most, if not all big budget third party games are headed to the 360 and PS3; even if you look at multiplat games that are headed to all consoles, it becomes appearant that most developers seem to place a heavy emphasis on the quality of the PS3 and 360 versions.

Maybe they believe that as far as sales and recognition go, a poor quality Wii title is no different than a good quality title to the masses, but that's being a bit too skewed. Perhaps Nintendo needs to take it's own initiative and try to get the ball rolling.

great post

nintendo can't do it all

they are doing WAY MORE than their fare share to appeal to the hardcore gamer

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)

in fact, can anybody name a single developer that has made the same number of AA-AAA titles that nintendo has during the past year and a half?

yet people continue to ask for more, and are never satisfied

people need to wake up and realise that nintendo is working hard to appeal to us hardcore gamers. it's the 3rd parties who are letting us down. sure some of that is nintendo's fault due to some big mistakes in the past, but that is no excuse anymore now that they have created the cheapest platform to develop for along with the largest userbase this generation has to offer.

nintendo is doing what they can for us gamers. instead of blaming nintendo only, put some of that blame on the 3rd parties for not stepping up and taking advantage of what the wii has to offer.

I called it .. troll infesting this thread.X_Evo

Oh? So I'm a troll because I am able to see the context from which the TC has created his thread?

Hmmm... System Wars these days.

1. Nintendo invested more than $140 million in research and development in 2002; the U.S. government spent less than half as much on research and innovation in education.

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That was in 2002, I'm sure that it is much more now. That is a huge amount of money and i'm sure that no other company sinks that amount into R&D.

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kansasdude2009

My only gripe is with this point.

First, it's an unfair comparison between all of Nintendo's R&D and a small part of the US spending on education (and not even considering individual states' investment).

Secondly, that's really not a huge amount compared to other companies in the same industry.

LINK

"Sony is clearly placing a huge investment into their next-gen console. The Cell processor development alone has cost the company US$2 billion..."

My only gripe is with this point.

First, it's an unfair comparison between all of Nintendo's R&D and a small part of the US spending on education (and not even considering individual states' investment).

Secondly, that's really not a huge amount compared to other companies in the same industry.

LINK

"Sony is clearly placing a huge investment into their next-gen console. The Cell processor development alone has cost the company US$2 billion..."

asylumni

Kudos to you for pointing out one of the biggest problems with the TC's original post.

However I can't really say that "teh cell" was meant for solely gaming purposes, if I recall correctly, they were going to impliment it in all sorts of consumer electronics, from BluRay players, to HDTVs, to computers, so with all due respect to Nintendo, I think it's a bit too much to say that all of that was based towards the PS3.

[QUOTE="X_Evo"]I called it .. troll infesting this thread.elbow2k

Oh? So I'm a troll because I am able to see the context from which the TC has created his thread?

Hmmm... System Wars these days.

If the shoe fits.

1. Nintendo invested more than $140 million in research and development in 2002; the U.S. government spent less than half as much on research and innovation in education.

link

That was in 2002, I'm sure that it is much more now. That is a huge amount of money and i'm sure that no other company sinks that amount into R&D.

kansasdude2009

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)

JB730

I dare say, have you been living under a rock? Sony's first party/second party development has turned out games like God of War series, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus.

It sure as hell isn't as good as Nintendo's, but damn they do make great games.

Nintendo...appeals to every audience imaginable

kansasdude2009

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

Nintendo...appeals to every audience imaginable

Teufelhuhn

care to tell me an audience it doesn't appeal to?

[QUOTE="JB730"]

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)

elbow2k

I dare say, have you been living under a rock? Sony's first party/second party development has turned out games like God of War series, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus.

It sure as hell isn't as good as Nintendo's, but damn they do make great games.

[QUOTE="elbow2k"][QUOTE="JB730"]

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)

nintendo-4life

I dare say, have you been living under a rock? Sony's first party/second party development has turned out games like God of War series, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus.

It sure as hell isn't as good as Nintendo's, but damn they do make great games.

That's great, I like your opinion, but at the same time I gotta disagree with it; I'm not a big fan of platformers myself, but I recognize their success and appeal, that is why I hold Nintendo's gaming efforts to such a high regards. But to me, God of War is my little slice of heaven, and I believe it is deserving of the critical acclaim it's gotten over the years.

[QUOTE="JB730"]

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)

elbow2k

I dare say, have you been living under a rock? Sony's first party/second party development has turned out games like God of War series, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus.

It sure as hell isn't as good as Nintendo's, but damn they do make great games.

you pretty much highlighted what my point was

sony and MS don't make games like nintendo does

[QUOTE="elbow2k"][QUOTE="JB730"]

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)

JB730

I dare say, have you been living under a rock? Sony's first party/second party development has turned out games like God of War series, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus.

It sure as hell isn't as good as Nintendo's, but damn they do make great games.

you pretty much highlighted what my point was

sony and MS don't make games like nintendo does

No, that wasn't your point. What I've highlighted in large lettering though was your point. You said that neither Sony nor Microsoft has ever made any good/"great" first party games. I pointed out the flaw in your statement, simply saying that yes they have done as such.

The last bit was my respects towards Nintendo.

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"][QUOTE="elbow2k"][QUOTE="JB730"]

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)

elbow2k

I dare say, have you been living under a rock? Sony's first party/second party development has turned out games like God of War series, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus.

It sure as hell isn't as good as Nintendo's, but damn they do make great games.

That's great, I like your opinion, but at the same time I gotta disagree with it; I'm not a big fan of platformers myself, but I recognize their success and appeal, that is why I hold Nintendo's gaming efforts to such a high regards. But to me, God of War is my little slice of heaven, and I believe it is deserving of the critical acclaim it's gotten over the years.

lol yeah i like your opinion too, but surprisingly it's not offensive like all the other opinions here :o :P

[QUOTE="JB730"][QUOTE="elbow2k"][QUOTE="JB730"]

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)

elbow2k

I dare say, have you been living under a rock? Sony's first party/second party development has turned out games like God of War series, Jak and Daxter, Ratchet and Clank, Shadow of the Colossus.

It sure as hell isn't as good as Nintendo's, but damn they do make great games.

you pretty much highlighted what my point was

sony and MS don't make games like nintendo does

No, that wasn't your point. What I've highlighted in large lettering though was your point. You said that neither Sony nor Microsoft has ever made any good/"great" first party games. I pointed out the flaw in your statement, simply saying that yes they have done as such.

The last bit was my respects towards Nintendo.

you are wrong

i never said that sony and MS never made any good/"great" first party games....that is you putting words into my mouth

i asked a simple question, which was "how many great games has sony and MS made during the last couple of years?"

i asked the question to show how much more nintendo does with it's 1st party games than sony and MS

there was no flaw in my statement. you simply misinterpreted it.

you are wrong

i never said that sony and MS never made any good/"great" first party games....that is you putting words into my mouth

i asked a simple question, which was "how many great games has sony and MS made during the last couple of years?"

i asked the question to show how much more nintendo does with it's 1st party games than sony and MS

there was no flaw in my statement. you simply misinterpreted it.

JB730

This is exactly what you said from your post:

"how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)"

It also is what you again reitirated in the above post; you're attempt was to say that Sony and Microsoft do not do anything meaningful, at no point in your opening post did at once say "in contrast with Nintendo". Did you perhaps want to imply that? I don't know because that is not what I got from it. What I took away from it was basically, "look at all Nintendo does, and look how these other guys do nothing", which couldn't be the farthest thing from the truth.

If you were implying something else, then maybe you should have phrased it differently, because you make it sound as if the rest aren't putting in an effort.

great post

nintendo can't do it all

they are doing WAY MORE than their fare share to appeal to the hardcore gamer

how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves) seeing that nintendo really doesnt have any real 3rd party support, and microsoft doesnt really have any first party developers i think they are even here. sonys late for the party with their 1st party games yes.

in fact, can anybody name a single developer that has made the same number of AA-AAA titles that nintendo has during the past year and a half? funny thing, nintendo will only have 1st party AA to AAA games due to the lack of 3rd party support.

yet people continue to ask for more, and are never satisfied and they shouldnt be if they ask for good online gaming and get pokemon.

people need to wake up and realise that nintendo is working hard to appeal to us hardcore gamers. it's the 3rd parties who are letting us down. sure some of that is nintendo's fault due to some big mistakes in the past, but that is no excuse anymore now that they have created the cheapest platform to develop for along with the largest userbase this generation has to offer. actually its nintendo thats letting us down, by basically trying to control the 3rd party developers with an iron fist, and charging them to put their games on the nintendo system

nintendo is doing what they can for us gamers. instead of blaming nintendo only, put some of that blame on the 3rd parties for not stepping up and taking advantage of what the wii has to offer. its actually all nintendos fault that its 3rd party support is so bad. they force 3rd parties to put what nintendo wants on its system, not what 3rd parties want. and charge the developers to license the games on the nintendo (which is the only company that does this practice) sony and microsoft just takes a percentage of each copy of a game sold, and doesnt charge additional fees to license a game to the system like nintendo does.

JB730

... gearsofhalogeek

Hey, cool. I gots sigged.

[QUOTE="JB730"]

you are wrong

i never said that sony and MS never made any good/"great" first party games....that is you putting words into my mouth

i asked a simple question, which was "how many great games has sony and MS made during the last couple of years?"

i asked the question to show how much more nintendo does with it's 1st party games than sony and MS

there was no flaw in my statement. you simply misinterpreted it.

elbow2k

This is exactly what you said from your post:

"how many great hardcore games has sony and microsoft made during the last couple of years? (not 3rd parties, but SONY and MICROSOFT themselves)"

It also is what you again reitirated in the above post; you're attempt was to say that Sony and Microsoft do not do anything meaningful, at no point in your opening post did at once say "in contrast with Nintendo". Did you perhaps want to imply that? I don't know because that is not what I got from it. What I took away from it was basically, "look at all Nintendo does, and look how these other guys do nothing", which couldn't be the farthest thing from the truth.

If you were implying something else, then maybe you should have phrased it differently, because you make it sound as if the rest aren't putting in an effort.

when i mentioned other developers and companies, i figured it would be obvious that everything would be relative to nintendo because that was what my post and this entire thread is about. i still think that's a good assumption, and that most people would understand the point.

whats funny is that you are again trying to tell me what i was attempting to do with my writing, when really, you are far off.

the problem is YOU for misinterpreting it, and trying to correct something that didn't need correcting in the first place.

there is really no point arguing over this. you simply misinterpreted what was implied in my post.

[QUOTE="gearsofhalogeek"]... goblaa

Hey, cool. I gots sigged.

i had to lol that brings a smile to my face everytime i see that quote.

Nice thread. Yeah, Nintendo is a great company. The positives definitely outweigh the negatives. I'm assuming this thread is in response to a certain Nintendo bashing post?

I think there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism over Nintendo's problems with online, FCs, 3rd parties etc, but when it's just plain bashing the best solution is to simply ignore it, as those kinds of posts only want reactions, not discussions.