[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] I just find it hilarious how people criticize jrpg's for being linear and having little to no choice when bioware games have basically become the exact same damn thing.Bioware games don't have choice? What? A good game is a good game, I'll never say COD or Pokemon are bad, but it's obviously better to get an innovative experience rather then the same thing for a dozen sequels. How is that a controversial thing to say? and what if said sequels are actually better than those innovative experiences you're talking about? Innovation is only one part of the piece. Hell super paper mario made a f*ckton of changes to the formula and it gets constantly shat on To a person who only played the latest game they'll be brilliant. Someone who hasn't ever played Call of Duty would have their baIIs blown off by the latest one. But I'm bored to death of them, they are polished but all do the same thing. I would much rather play a "worse" game that at least does something new, such as Bulletstorm. Super Paper Mario is an excellent game but not an RPG, which is what this thread is about.and then there's the constant "if it's using the same formula it's inferior" bullsh*t. Pokemon has only gotten better over time. It stuck to it's roots but it's all the better for it
Shinobishyguy
Nintendo dominates in the RPG market, jelly?
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Bioware games don't have choice? What? A good game is a good game, I'll never say COD or Pokemon are bad, but it's obviously better to get an innovative experience rather then the same thing for a dozen sequels. How is that a controversial thing to say? locopathoand what if said sequels are actually better than those innovative experiences you're talking about? Innovation is only one part of the piece. Hell super paper mario made a f*ckton of changes to the formula and it gets constantly shat on To a person who only played the latest game they'll be brilliant. Someone who hasn't ever played Call of Duty would have their baIIs blown off by the latest one. But I'm bored to death of them, they are polished but all do the same thing. I would much rather play a "worse" game that at least does something new, such as Bulletstorm. Super Paper Mario is an excellent game but not an RPG, which is what this thread is about.
Paper Mario is awesome. I can't wait for the 3ds verison.
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Bioware games don't have choice? What? A good game is a good game, I'll never say COD or Pokemon are bad, but it's obviously better to get an innovative experience rather then the same thing for a dozen sequels. How is that a controversial thing to say? locopathoand what if said sequels are actually better than those innovative experiences you're talking about? Innovation is only one part of the piece. Hell super paper mario made a f*ckton of changes to the formula and it gets constantly shat on To a person who only played the latest game they'll be brilliant. Someone who hasn't ever played Call of Duty would have their baIIs blown off by the latest one. But I'm bored to death of them, they are polished but all do the same thing. I would much rather play a "worse" game that at least does something new, such as Bulletstorm. Super Paper Mario is an excellent game but not an RPG, which is what this thread is about.if SPM isn't an rpg then what does that make mass effect 2/3?
Both have restrictive choices that mean jack sh*t in the end, (oooh boy different color endings and slightly different dialogue)
both have linear levels,
both have real time combat,
both have barebones rpg elements that got stripped out over the previous games (Mass effect 1 and the thousand year door)
[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] I just find it hilarious how people criticize jrpg's for being linear and having little to no choice when bioware games have basically become the exact same damn thing.Bioware games don't have choice? What? A good game is a good game, I'll never say COD or Pokemon are bad, but it's obviously better to get an innovative experience rather then the same thing for a dozen sequels. How is that a controversial thing to say? and what if said sequels are actually better than those innovative experiences you're talking about? Innovation is only one part of the piece. Hell super paper mario made a f*ckton of changes to the formula and it gets constantly shat on On a system that gets shat on everyday and this surprises you?and then there's the constant "if it's using the same formula it's inferior" bullsh*t. Pokemon has only gotten better over time. It stuck to it's roots but it's all the better for it
Shinobishyguy
[QUOTE="0rbs"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] So all you have done is prove you are trolling and I hope you will enjoy your ban as such you have done nothing but inflict stupidity. nothing but changing arguments, when I was not even talking to you in the first place. I know you have a sad little life, but you have no argument now, all the proof is right above here quoted, as I clealry show who I was talking to, now go away troll.
StatusShuffle
You said in the middle of the thread that it wasn't an RPG. You argued it for like 30 pages. Can you talk to people without insulting them as well?
The post you're quoting IS THE MIDDLE of the thread. Idiot. I never said once that it was not an rpg, but that Lega was wrong with hsi reasons and adobe responded to the same post, go fly kites somewhere.Just report this guy.
[QUOTE="0rbs"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] The post you're quoting IS THE MIDDLE of the thread. Idiot. I never said once that it was not an rpg, but that Lega was wrong with hsi reasons and adobe responded to the same post, go fly kites somewhere.StatusShuffle
Just report this guy.
I already reported both of them and you. Oh, you mean me? Oh wait, but mods aren;t stupid and can read unlike you. So what makes you think that will work? Especially when a MOD himself addressed the same poster and Saw that i was and you're still arguing against it. Bottom line your useless, so just move on, no point in continuing now that you have been proven wrong 3 times in a row now. Lol Orbs, can't handle those 2+ sylable names huh?aren't*, not aren;t. The MOD addressed you, and scolded you. You try to be pendantic but fail in the second sentence. It's syllable, not sylable. It's you're useless, not Your useless.
You're a mess.
To a person who only played the latest game they'll be brilliant. Someone who hasn't ever played Call of Duty would have their baIIs blown off by the latest one. But I'm bored to death of them, they are polished but all do the same thing. I would much rather play a "worse" game that at least does something new, such as Bulletstorm. Super Paper Mario is an excellent game but not an RPG, which is what this thread is about.if SPM isn't an rpg then what does that make mass effect 2/3?[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]and what if said sequels are actually better than those innovative experiences you're talking about? Innovation is only one part of the piece. Hell super paper mario made a f*ckton of changes to the formula and it gets constantly shat onShinobishyguy
Both have restrictive choices that mean jack sh*t in the end,
both have linear levels,
both have real time combat, b
oth have barebones rpg elements that got stripped out over the previous games (Mass effect 1 and the thousand year door)
You're kinda ping ponging all over the place with different arguments here mate... But ok. :)
RPGs are defined by choice, for me.
Paper Mario isn't an RPG because there's no choices, in either story or gameplay, and the experience points and upgrades (were there even upgrades?) didn't affect the gameplay, which was a standard linear Mario action platformer. God of War or Zelda are closer to an RPG then this game was.
Mass Effect lets you choose your gender, choose your appearance, choose your class, choose weapons, choose ammo, choose armour, choose powers, choose dialogue, choose morality, choose your team mates, choose who lives and who dies, choose your sidemissions, choose how the story unfolds (not so much how it ends n the last 5 mins, admittedly!), choose the best RPG series this gen, choose Mass Effect, CHOOSE LIFE!
if SPM isn't an rpg then what does that make mass effect 2/3?[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]
[QUOTE="locopatho"] To a person who only played the latest game they'll be brilliant. Someone who hasn't ever played Call of Duty would have their baIIs blown off by the latest one. But I'm bored to death of them, they are polished but all do the same thing. I would much rather play a "worse" game that at least does something new, such as Bulletstorm. Super Paper Mario is an excellent game but not an RPG, which is what this thread is about.locopatho
Both have restrictive choices that mean jack sh*t in the end,
both have linear levels,
both have real time combat, b
oth have barebones rpg elements that got stripped out over the previous games (Mass effect 1 and the thousand year door)
You're kinda ping ponging all over the place with different arguments here mate... But ok. :)
RPGs are defined by choice, for me.
Paper Mario isn't an RPG because there's no choices, in either story or gameplay, and the experience points and upgrades (were there even upgrades?) didn't affect the gameplay, which was a standard linear Mario action platformer. God of War or Zelda are closer to an RPG then this game was.
Mass Effect lets you choose your gender, choose your appearance, choose your class, choose weapons, choose ammo, choose armour, choose powers, choose dialogue, choose morality, choose your team mates, choose who lives and who dies, choose your sidemissions, choose how the story unfolds (not so much how it ends n the last 5 mins, admittedly!), choose the best RPG series this gen, choose Mass Effect, CHOOSE LIFE!
with a few exceptions, the impact of the choices in mass effect really don't mean sh*t. [spoiler] Wrex got killed in the first game? Oh well some identical Krogan named Reave takes his place, no need to worry. Did you kill the Rachni? Well guess what they found another egg hurp a derp [/spoiler]Also off topic but because it was mentioned, the changes from each generation of pokemon are alot more pronounced than the changes from one CoD to another. The new regions, pokemon, and even little touches all add up.
I already reported both of them and you. Oh, you mean me? Oh wait, but mods aren;t stupid and can read unlike you. So what makes you think that will work? Especially when a MOD himself addressed the same poster and Saw that i was and you're still arguing against it. Bottom line your useless, so just move on, no point in continuing now that you have been proven wrong 3 times in a row now. Lol Orbs, can't handle those 2+ sylable names huh?[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="0rbs"]
Just report this guy.
0rbs
aren't*, not aren;t. The MOD addressed you, and scolded you. You try to be pendantic but fail in the second sentence. It's syllable, not sylable. It's you're useless, not Your useless.
You're a mess.
You're supposed to capitalize the first letter in a sentence, you're a mess. Also the mod clealry pointed out how Lgas flaws, and the fact you are a fanboy spun it, and twisted in in your own little world has nothing to do with anything. now let me know when you have grown up and can participate in a serious conversation. Which will probably be never since you're a fanboy, need to stay away from you guys from now on, just brings me closer to trouble. Actually, why we are talking about your ilness, have you ever though of at least giving other rpgs not Pokemon a chance?[QUOTE="0rbs"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] I already reported both of them and you. Oh, you mean me? Oh wait, but mods aren;t stupid and can read unlike you. So what makes you think that will work? Especially when a MOD himself addressed the same poster and Saw that i was and you're still arguing against it. Bottom line your useless, so just move on, no point in continuing now that you have been proven wrong 3 times in a row now. Lol Orbs, can't handle those 2+ sylable names huh?StatusShuffle
aren't*, not aren;t. The MOD addressed you, and scolded you. You try to be pendantic but fail in the second sentence. It's syllable, not sylable. It's you're useless, not Your useless.
You're a mess.
You're supposed to capitalize the first letter in a sentence, you're a mess. Also the mod clealry pointed out how Lgas flaws, and the fact you are a fanboy spun it, and twisted in in your own little world has nothing to do with anything. now let me know when you have grown up and can participate in a serious conversation. Which will probably be never since you're a fanboy, need to stay away from you guys from now on, just brings me closer to trouble. Actually, why we are talking about your ilness, have you ever though of at least giving other rpgs not Pokemon a chance?I own every system? How am I fan boy? You aren't making sense. I'm playing like 4-5 rpg's at once right now and will be playing The Witcher 2 eventually. I'm just going by what you said and using logical deduction to come to conclusions. You have anger problems.
[QUOTE="0rbs"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] I already reported both of them and you. Oh, you mean me? Oh wait, but mods aren;t stupid and can read unlike you. So what makes you think that will work? Especially when a MOD himself addressed the same poster and Saw that i was and you're still arguing against it. Bottom line your useless, so just move on, no point in continuing now that you have been proven wrong 3 times in a row now. Lol Orbs, can't handle those 2+ sylable names huh?StatusShuffle
aren't*, not aren;t. The MOD addressed you, and scolded you. You try to be pendantic but fail in the second sentence. It's syllable, not sylable. It's you're useless, not Your useless.
You're a mess.
You're supposed to capitalize the first letter in a sentence, you're a mess. Also the mod clealry pointed out how Lgas flaws, and the fact you are a fanboy spun it, and twisted in in your own little world has nothing to do with anything. now let me know when you have grown up and can participate in a serious conversation. Which will probably be never since you're a fanboy, need to stay away from you guys from now on, just brings me closer to trouble. Actually, why we are talking about your ilness, have you ever though of at least giving other rpgs not Pokemon a chance?I own every system? How am I fan boy? You aren't making sense. I'm playing like 4-5 rpg's at once right now and will be playing The Witcher 2 eventually. I'm just going by what you said and using logical deduction to come to conclusions. You have anger problems.
with a few exceptions, the impact of the choices in mass effect really don't mean sh*t. [spoiler] Wrex got killed in the first game? Oh well some identical Krogan named Reave takes his place, no need to worry [/spoiler] Also off topic but because it was mentioned, the changes from each generation of pokemon are alot more pronounced than the changes from one CoD to another. The new regions, pokemon, and even little touches all add up.Shinobishyguy
They meant a hell of a lot to me.
[spoiler]
Wrex was my loyal warrior who I had a great time reuniting with in the sequels.
My weird fanboy guy who followed me around since the first game ended up taking a (blank...) bullet to the chest in a Mass Effect 3 sidequest.
Kaidan was the PURE AWKWARD ex from Mass Effect 1 who showed up in 3, who I had to kinda tell to go and take a hike when he asked to join up...
Many more... and they were all awesome :cool:
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These things matter if you put any investement in the game world whatsoever. If you act like a d!ck and try and mock and reduce everything down to it's barebones, then yeah, you won't enjoy it. If you think Klingons are just black dudes with silly make up, you won't care about Worf's loyalties and whether Gowron ascends to Chancellor. But to someone who invests themselves in the universe, this stuff is pretty dam amazing ;)
Also, the new Pokemon mostly suck :D
[QUOTE="0rbs"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] You're supposed to capitalize the first letter in a sentence, you're a mess. Also the mod clealry pointed out how Lgas flaws, and the fact you are a fanboy spun it, and twisted in in your own little world has nothing to do with anything. now let me know when you have grown up and can participate in a serious conversation. Which will probably be never since you're a fanboy, need to stay away from you guys from now on, just brings me closer to trouble. Actually, why we are talking about your ilness, have you ever though of at least giving other rpgs not Pokemon a chance?StatusShuffle
I own every system? How am I fan boy? You aren't making sense. I'm playing like 4-5 rpg's at once right now and will be playing The Witcher 2 eventually. I'm just going by what you said and using logical deduction to come to conclusions. You have anger problems.
First of all you do not own all systems I know this is fact. 2ND having more than one system does not stop you from being a fanboy, pokemon is a handheld and the only other handheld out is the Vita, and a lot of Nintendo fanboys on this board have a Vita. Lol witcher 2 has to do with? Please don;t make claims you can't prove fanboy you have delusions and inaccuracies, please direct your attention to the nearest padded room, have a nice day.K, you're a troll. Got it.
I probably have over 40-50 systems btw. I collect. If you know anybody that has an ultra rare nintendo 64dd for sale/trade, or a neo-geo original, lemme know ;)
First of all you do not own all systems I know this is fact. 2ND having more than one system does not stop you from being a fanboy, pokemon is a handheld and the only other handheld out is the Vita, and a lot of Nintendo fanboys on this board have a Vita. Lol witcher 2 has to do with? Please don;t make claims you can't prove fanboy you have delusions and inaccuracies, please direct your attention to the nearest padded room, have a nice day.[QUOTE="StatusShuffle"][QUOTE="0rbs"]
I own every system? How am I fan boy? You aren't making sense. I'm playing like 4-5 rpg's at once right now and will be playing The Witcher 2 eventually. I'm just going by what you said and using logical deduction to come to conclusions. You have anger problems.
0rbs
K, you're a troll. Got it.
I probably have over 40-50 systems btw. I collect. If you know anybody that has an ultra rare nintendo 64dd for sale trade, or a neo-geo original, lemme know ;)
The fact you think a Neo-Geo is hard to get is just sad. Also you don't own all systems. And of course, you dodged all my other points to protect yourself. I will just call the clinic and have you pick you up. Where do you live? N.Totalfailure street? cool.[QUOTE="0rbs"][QUOTE="StatusShuffle"] First of all you do not own all systems I know this is fact. 2ND having more than one system does not stop you from being a fanboy, pokemon is a handheld and the only other handheld out is the Vita, and a lot of Nintendo fanboys on this board have a Vita. Lol witcher 2 has to do with? Please don;t make claims you can't prove fanboy you have delusions and inaccuracies, please direct your attention to the nearest padded room, have a nice day.StatusShuffle
K, you're a troll. Got it.
I probably have over 40-50 systems btw. I collect. If you know anybody that has an ultra rare nintendo 64dd for sale trade, or a neo-geo original, lemme know ;)
The fact you think a Neo-Geo is hard to get is just sad. Also you don't own all systems. And of course, you dodged all my other points to protect yourself. I will just call the clinic and have you pick you up. Where do you live? N.Totalfailure street? cool.I never said a neo geo was hard to get. I said the 64dd are really rare ;). They hit around 600-1000 on ebay depending on the condition and package. Neo geos aren't hard to get, they're just hard to get cheap.
I ignored the rest of the stuff you said because you sound like a 15 year old kid throwing a tantrum and I just don't care. Pokemon is an RPG, and it was a great game. You're just trolling because you're bored.
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]with a few exceptions, the impact of the choices in mass effect really don't mean sh*t. [spoiler] Wrex got killed in the first game? Oh well some identical Krogan named Reave takes his place, no need to worry [/spoiler] Also off topic but because it was mentioned, the changes from each generation of pokemon are alot more pronounced than the changes from one CoD to another. The new regions, pokemon, and even little touches all add up.locopatho
These things matter if you put any investement in the game world whatsoever. If you act like a d!ck and try and mock and reduce everything down to it's barebones, then yeah, you won't enjoy it
you mean like how you said SPM was just a straight up platformer when it has the whole dimension flipping mechanic, lets you choose from 4 characters each with different abilities, and has those sprite things that follow you around to help you fight and solve puzzles?PS: most of the new pokemon are complete beasts in battle. Saying that you don't like their designs is one thing, but there are alot of useful pokemon in BW
[QUOTE="locopatho"]
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]with a few exceptions, the impact of the choices in mass effect really don't mean sh*t. [spoiler] Wrex got killed in the first game? Oh well some identical Krogan named Reave takes his place, no need to worry [/spoiler] Also off topic but because it was mentioned, the changes from each generation of pokemon are alot more pronounced than the changes from one CoD to another. The new regions, pokemon, and even little touches all add up.Shinobishyguy
These things matter if you put any investement in the game world whatsoever. If you act like a d!ck and try and mock and reduce everything down to it's barebones, then yeah, you won't enjoy it
you mean like how you said SPM was just a straight up platformer when it has the whole dimension flipping mechanic, lets you choose from 4 characters each with different abilities, and has those sprite things that follow you around to help you fight and solve puzzles? Which are all things you do in platformers, not RPGs! Seriously, I think you just disagree with me on principle at this point...[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]you mean like how you said SPM was just a straight up platformer when it has the whole dimension flipping mechanic, lets you choose from 4 characters each with different abilities, and has those sprite things that follow you around to help you fight and solve puzzles? Which are all things you do in platformers, not RPGs! Seriously, I think you just disagree with me on principle at this point...really? Last I checked changing armor and weapons is in plenty of action games, but because it's in mass effect it's suddenly an rpg element?[QUOTE="locopatho"]
These things matter if you put any investement in the game world whatsoever. If you act like a d!ck and try and mock and reduce everything down to it's barebones, then yeah, you won't enjoy it
locopatho
Which are all things you do in platformers, not RPGs! Seriously, I think you just disagree with me on principle at this point...really? So choice of weapons helps make mass effect an rpg but choice of characters in SPM doesn't count? You choose weapons in any shooter, hack and slash, RPG. I mentioned it as part of the big ball of choices that Mass Effect is. It alone does not make an RPG. Mario Brothers 2 had almost the same character choice, that wasn't an RPG either. You never bother responding to my whole post, you just cherry pick one thing and try and argue it. What do you get out of it? You never wanna agree with me, you just try prove me wrong in some way...[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] you mean like how you said SPM was just a straight up platformer when it has the whole dimension flipping mechanic, lets you choose from 4 characters each with different abilities, and has those sprite things that follow you around to help you fight and solve puzzles?
Shinobishyguy
[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]really? So choice of weapons helps make mass effect an rpg but choice of characters in SPM doesn't count? You choose weapons in any shooter, hack and slash, RPG. I mentioned it as part of the big ball of choices that Mass Effect is. It alone does not make an RPG. Mario Brothers 2 had almost the same character choice, that wasn't an RPG either. You never bother responding to my whole post, you just cherry pick one thing and try and argue it. What do you get out of it? You never wanna agree with me, you just try prove me wrong in some way... Your original point was that nintendo rpg's are in a "poor" state, which is a flimsy argument as most of them are really well received.[QUOTE="locopatho"] Which are all things you do in platformers, not RPGs! Seriously, I think you just disagree with me on principle at this point...locopatho
Then you start going on about innovation, I point out that SPM was pretty innovative in it's respective series but somehow it doesn't count, despite the fact that both it and mass effect 2/3 are both very action heavy and light on the rpg mechanics.
But apparently choices are rpg mechanics but any choice that SPM gives you (whether it to do some sidequests or use different characters) doesn't count.
So really, forgive me for not adressing your entire posts when I see such glaring double standards popping out like a sore thumb
Can't agrue with that all. Pocket Monsters is so deep and long and it is a great series.
Pokemon: a game about evolving animals that never evolves.
Oh the irony.
Great, now Pokemon is entering Super Smash Bros. territory.why are people arguing about pokemon being an rpg?lol
Mario1331
[QUOTE="SciFiRPGfan"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]
I'm thinking it would be in terms of sales since Pokémon is the 2nd best selling IP in video games only behind Mario; but it is the best selling RPG series.LiquidAjax
O.K., then I would be cautiously jelly, I suppose.
Bigger sales numbers are awsome. They warant sequels and most likely encourage publishers to invest more in the future games and also to give the developers more freedom (at least someone from Bio has implied something like that about EA, IRC) and time. And happy developers are more motivated as well.
OTOH, bigger sales mean bigger audience with more varying tastes, which can have less and less in common. And then, the common denominator for all those guys has to go lower and lower. Which is usually a bad thing for long term fans.
However, the developers / publishers are inclined to change their games in their pursuits of bigger audiences anyway. :( So they might as well have enough funds to make at least something properly, right? :?
So, yeah... So jelly.
But no much though.
Like I said, more sales => game has to be tailored to more people with more varying preferences => lower chance, that the game will actually fall within my niche. Something to think about...
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