Nintendo failed with the Wii U and it's their own fault

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]I find Nintendo's biggest mistake was miscalculating 3rd party support.StrongBlackVine

No one wants to develop for that sh!tty tablet.

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[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"] That and Western 3rd Party are never going to support a Nintendo console even if the Wii U is more powerful than the PS4.LastRambo341

No one wants to develop for that sh!tty tablet.

Whatever. Regardless it takes extra work to make something unique just for Nintendo. Reason enough to avoid a struggling console.

Don't have enough money to the point where I feel comfortable buying a Wii U. Meanwhile, the 3DS continues to blow my mind with the insanely good quality games (gorgeous visuals, stellar gameplay). 3DS rivals consoles for me these days. It doesn't matter if Wii U "fails" because I think Nintendo has a good thing going with the 3DS.

Don't have enough money to the point where I feel comfortable buying a Wii U. Meanwhile, the 3DS continues to blow my mind with the insanely good quality games (gorgeous visuals, stellar gameplay). 3DS rivals consoles for me these days. It doesn't matter if Wii U "fails" because I think Nintendo has a good thing going with the 3DS.

J-man45

I have never owned a handheld, but that seems to be the area where Nintendo is actually competent.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

No one wants to develop for that sh!tty tablet.

StrongBlackVine

Whatever. Regardless it takes extra work to make something unique just for Nintendo. Reason enough to avoid a struggling console.

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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] It is not a tablet, its a controller with a screenLastRambo341

Whatever. Regardless it takes extra work to make something unique just for Nintendo. Reason enough to avoid a struggling console.

I don't need a new way to play. Standard controllers are just fine.

Specs have next to nothing to do with it. Games make the console, not the other way around. Now if you want to argue that devs don't want to make games for it DUE to the specs, then I'd say you might have a point. Nintendo still has Mario, Zelda, DK, Smash Bros, Pokemon, Metroid, etc. They aren't going to stop making consoles for a long time. The 3DS library started out terrible, but look at it now. Awesome 3rd party support, AND first party titles. The same thing might happen with the WiiU. Jurassic85

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Whatever. Regardless it takes extra work to make something unique just for Nintendo. Reason enough to avoid a struggling console.

StrongBlackVine

I don't need a new way to play. Standard controllers are just fine.

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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] You don't have a WiiU, so you really can't judge especially since you didn't try the games that really use it well. I absolutely think the controller is amazing and adds a new way to playJag85

I don't need a new way to play. Standard controllers are just fine.

Except the games that force you to use the tablet and/or don't support pro controller at all. (playing devil's advocate here)

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[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] You don't have a WiiU, so you really can't judge especially since you didn't try the games that really use it well. I absolutely think the controller is amazing and adds a new way to playJag85

I don't need a new way to play. Standard controllers are just fine.

So you will paying extra to use a standard to controller to play on a console that is gimped because of the tablet controller you won't be using? :lol:

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I don't need a new way to play. Standard controllers are just fine.

J-man45

Except the games that force you to use the tablet and/or don't support pro controller at all. (playing devil's advocate here)

P.S. I'm playing Devil's advocate too, by the way. In fact, I've been playing Devil's advocate this whole time at SW (changing stance whenever it suits me best :twisted: ).

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I don't need a new way to play. Standard controllers are just fine.

StrongBlackVine

So you will paying extra to use a standard to controller to play on a console that is gimped because of the tablet controller you won't be using? :lol:

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[QUOTE="Jag85"] Which is what the Wii U Pro controller is for...Jag85

So you will paying extra to use a standard to controller to play on a console that is gimped because of the tablet controller you won't be using? :lol:

Well I would be since I don't want a tablet controller as as consequence I don't want a Wii U.

At this point I can absolutely see nintendo changing to a software producer or a handheld/software producer. After all I've seen from the wii u it's pretty much deserved. They're definitely not the same nintendo that released the SNES thats for damn sure.

jer_1

There are various factors at play here. During the SNES day, there wasn't any notable competion other than Sega. The western game development industry was also knee deep into PC gaming. Western devs made PC games, Japanese devs made console games. As such, being a purely japanese industry, Nintendo had much more influence on how the industry should roll. The industry trend was dictated by them.

Today, Japanese devs have taken a little of a back seat compared to the western devs. Things like online multiplayer and hardware architecture suddenly become a key factor. Consoles games are also expected to resemble PC-esque games. FPS games were once a PC-only genre. Game aspects like story, cinematography and character development MUST be of hollywood-esque standard.

Nintendo themselves haven't changed much. They were doing the same thing back then as they did with the Wii. Remember the Nintendo Zapper, SNES Bazooka, SNES mouse, Power Glove etc. etc.? Nintendo hasn't changed. The industry itself, and Nintendo's relevance to the industry....HAS.

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I don't need a new way to play. Standard controllers are just fine.

J-man45

Except the games that force you to use the tablet and/or don't support pro controller at all. (playing devil's advocate here)

[QUOTE="Jag85"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I don't need a new way to play. Standard controllers are just fine.

StrongBlackVine

So you will paying extra to use a standard to controller to play on a console that is gimped because of the tablet controller you won't be using? :lol:

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

At this point I can absolutely see nintendo changing to a software producer or a handheld/software producer. After all I've seen from the wii u it's pretty much deserved. They're definitely not the same nintendo that released the SNES thats for damn sure.

jhcho2

There are various factors at play here. During the SNES day, there wasn't any notable competion other than Sega. The western game development industry was also knee deep into PC gaming. Western devs made PC games, Japanese devs made console games. As such, being a purely japanese industry, Nintendo had much more influence on how the industry should roll. The industry trend was dictated by them.

Today, Japanese devs have taken a little of a back seat compared to the western devs. Things like online multiplayer and hardware architecture suddenly become a key factor. Consoles games are also expected to resemble PC-esque games. FPS games were once a PC-only genre. Game aspects like story, cinematography and character development MUST be of hollywood-esque standard.

Nintendo themselves haven't changed much. They were doing the same thing back then as they did with the Wii. Remember the Nintendo Zapper, SNES Bazooka, SNES mouse, Power Glove etc. etc.? Nintendo hasn't changed. The industry itself, and Nintendo's relevance to the industry....HAS.

The gaming industry back in the 8-bit and 16-bit eras was more complex than that. Nintendo also had competition from Atari and NEC, but Sega was their main competitor in the West, while their main competitor in the East was NEC. Beyond consoles, the arcade market was even larger, and was where hardware architecture was pushed to its limits. As for the PC market, each region had their own leading platforms, with North America dominated by IBM and Apple, Europe dominated by Commodore and Sinclair, and Japan dominated by NEC, Sharp, and Fujitsu.

Regarding Nintendo, their consoles always had cutting-edge specs (by console standards, which were well below arcade standards) up until the Wii, when they decided to keep the specs lower than their competitors. Other than that, you're right that Nintendo hasn't really changed that much since those days.

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[QUOTE="silversix_"]A dying system deserves attention.

Shinobi120

There should be a limit to how many threads are created by a user per day about the same topic.

This. It just gets very old & tiring.