NINTENDO HAS a history of destroying competition.

They made atari disappear, they destroyed sega, they're destroying Microsoft and sony now. Look at their profits. Nintendo will never lose and alwyas will be in first.LiquidAjax

Sega and atari fell out the market due to stupid buisness decisions which hurt their brand.Not Ninty's fault besides atari pretty much fell by the wayside before ninty even entered the western markets.

[QUOTE="campzor"]i can understand that sheep have Post-traumatic stress disorder after being annihilated for 2 gens in a row. Go see a psychiatrist or something and get that fixed up.Sgt_Crow

[QUOTE="campzor"]i can understand that sheep have Post-traumatic stress disorder after being annihilated for 2 gens in a row. Go see a psychiatrist or something and get that fixed up.Sgt_Crow

at the same time nintendo shot themselves in the foot with that tech, for example the propietory disk for the cube to circumvent licensing fees for the more superior DVD, and nintendo's boneheaded attitude cost them the gen basically back when the PS1 was out showing disks were the way forward ninty ended up burning bridges with a few major 3rd party projects which were planed to be N64 from the outset and one major one was FFVII and sony capitalised.

They might have had better processing power and such but they were horribly held back by their boneheaded attitude towards licensing and the format used for games especially with the n64 considering cart manufacturing is horribly expensive.

Lol..sorry..but PSX and PS2 had far better gaming libraries than N64 and especially gamecubeAdrianWerner

Well let me say N64 was a gen ahead, only cows think it was a real competition.

Sony took out Sega

But Nintendo is responsible for taking out Sony handhelds (just as they did with gamegear tbh)

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Lol..sorry..but PSX and PS2 had far better gaming libraries than N64 and especially gamecubeSgt_Crow

you are delusional.

PS1 and 2 have arguably the best libraries ever seen in gaming.Theres actually no arguing that fact, especialyl with the PS1.

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Lol..sorry..but PSX and PS2 had far better gaming libraries than N64 and especially gamecuberazgriz_101

you are delusional.

PS1 and 2 have arguably the best libraries ever seen in gaming.Theres actually no arguing that fact, especialyl with the PS1.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"] Sorry. But no. :)trugs26

you are delusional.

PS1 and 2 have arguably the best libraries ever seen in gaming.Theres actually no arguing that fact, especialyl with the PS1.

look back and you'll see why the PS1 had more than the N64 game wise.Some parts lean to the 64 but overall the PS1 had it on the ropes the full gen.

[QUOTE="trugs26"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

you are delusional.

PS1 and 2 have arguably the best libraries ever seen in gaming.Theres actually no arguing that fact, especialyl with the PS1.

razgriz_101

look back and you'll see why the PS1 had more than the N64 game wise.Some parts lean to the 64 but overall the PS1 had it on the ropes the full gen.

If only the PS1 had the quality of games Rare was creating.

I mean you truly did miss out if you didn't own an N64 no matter how many games the PS1 had.

[QUOTE="Sgt_Crow"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Lol..sorry..but PSX and PS2 had far better gaming libraries than N64 and especially gamecuberazgriz_101

you are delusional.

PS1 and 2 have arguably the best libraries ever seen in gaming.Theres actually no arguing that fact, especialyl with the PS1.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="trugs26"]
So is it arguable? Or is there no arguing?

Ly_the_Fairy

look back and you'll see why the PS1 had more than the N64 game wise.Some parts lean to the 64 but overall the PS1 had it on the ropes the full gen.

If only the PS1 had the quality of games Rare was creating.

I mean you truly did miss out if you didn't own an N64 no matter how many games the PS1 had.

yeah sure lets just completely disregard classics which were massive like MGS1,Final Fantasy 7,8,9,Gran Turismo,Grandia,Tekken 3 (9.9 on here),FFT,Wipeout 3,Driver,Ridge Racer type 4.

I'd say MGS1 and the FF games especially were in the same quality league as rare without a shadow of a doubt, MGS1 is up there with the best ot its era.But to say the PS1 could never give out games at the same quality as rare shows how insanely idiotic your arguement is.

Looking back hoenstly rare games were good but people hold them to far to high a regard.

you are delusional.razgriz_101

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]you are delusional.Sgt_Crow

honestly....your saying some of those games peers arent as high quality yet score equally in the same region and just because its rare, nostalgia is such a fantastic thing when it comes to rare.

yup your delusional.If they were of lower quality they would have scored less.Not to mention Ocarina of time is possibly the most overrated game in existence on this board and anywhere else and inb4 im a Zelda hater cause honestly i'd take a link to the past anyday of the week.

um...no?

the genesis and SNES were actually quite matched the majority of that generation infact I think at one point the genesis owned like 61% of the market at one point...

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

um...no?

the genesis and SNES were actually quite matched the majority of that generation infact I think at one point the genesis owned like 61% of the market at one point...

amaneuvering

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Lol..sorry..but PSX and PS2 had far better gaming libraries than N64 and especially gamecubeSgt_Crow

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

um...no?

the genesis and SNES were actually quite matched the majority of that generation infact I think at one point the genesis owned like 61% of the market at one point...

AdrianWerner

The SNES was catching up in every territory from day one. Of course it was initially behind, because it released after the Genesis. I'm sure there were probably some months where they sold similarly or the Genesis was maybe even ahead. By the end of the cycle howver the SNES had surpassed the Genesis in every territory as far as I'm aware. Anything else is just Sega fanboys wishing it were so.

The SNES was catching up in every territory from day one. Of course it was initially behind, because it released after the Genesis. I'm sure there were probably some months where they sold similarly or the Genesis was maybe even ahead. By the end of the cycle howver the SNES had surpassed the Genesis in every territory as far as I'm aware. Anything else is just Sega fanboys wishing it were so.

amaneuvering

The only reason it surpassed Genesis in sales is because it was selling for years after Genesis stopped being produced

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

The SNES was catching up in every territory from day one. Of course it was initially behind, because it released after the Genesis. I'm sure there were probably some months where they sold similarly or the Genesis was maybe even ahead. By the end of the cycle howver the SNES had surpassed the Genesis in every territory as far as I'm aware. Anything else is just Sega fanboys wishing it were so.

AdrianWerner

While it did indeed stay around for longer I think it's wishful thinking to imagine it only surpassed Genesis for that reason alone. Remember, the Genesis had a two year head start in sales. That's a long time and a lot of sales before you can start comparing the side by side sales numbers. The Genesis was a great machine and it sold very respectably but the SNES beat it out in pretty much every measurable way.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

The SNES was catching up in every territory from day one. Of course it was initially behind, because it released after the Genesis. I'm sure there were probably some months where they sold similarly or the Genesis was maybe even ahead. By the end of the cycle howver the SNES had surpassed the Genesis in every territory as far as I'm aware. Anything else is just Sega fanboys wishing it were so.

amaneuvering

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

look back and you'll see why the PS1 had more than the N64 game wise.Some parts lean to the 64 but overall the PS1 had it on the ropes the full gen.

razgriz_101

If only the PS1 had the quality of games Rare was creating.

I mean you truly did miss out if you didn't own an N64 no matter how many games the PS1 had.

yeah sure lets just completely disregard classics which were massive like MGS1,Final Fantasy 7,8,9,Gran Turismo,Grandia,Tekken 3 (9.9 on here),FFT,Wipeout 3,Driver,Ridge Racer type 4.

I'd say MGS1 and the FF games especially were in the same quality league as rare without a shadow of a doubt, MGS1 is up there with the best ot its era.But to say the PS1 could never give out games at the same quality as rare shows how insanely idiotic your arguement is.

Looking back hoenstly rare games were good but people hold them to far to high a regard.

I wasn't disregarding any PS1 game.

All I'm saying is that Rare made the best games of that generation.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]The only reason it surpassed Genesis in sales is because it was selling for years after Genesis stopped being produced

AdrianWerner

All the figures for this are pretty sketchy and are difficult to correlate but ultimately the SNES sold more and if you roughly balance the fact that the Genesis had a head start with the fact that the SNES kept going for a bit longer it still ends up that the SNES sold more. Nearly 10 million more.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"] While it did indeed stay around for longer I think it's wishful thinking to imagine it only surpassed Genesis for that reason alone.amaneuvering

All the figures for this are pretty sketchy and are difficult to correlate but ultimately the SNES sold more and if you roughly balance the fact that the Genesis had a head start with the fact that the SNES kept going for a bit longer it still ends up that the SNES sold more. Nearly 10 million more, and possibly even more than that.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]SNES never surpassed Genesis in America in Europe, even long after 32 bit consoles launched. And Genesis continued to dominate the market through almost whole generation. Even in 1994 Genesis was still winning. Nintendo got lead in 16 bit market only when it already began to die.

AdrianWerner

All the figures for this are pretty sketchy and are difficult to correlate but ultimately the SNES sold more and if you roughly balance the fact that the Genesis had a head start with the fact that the SNES kept going for a bit longer it still ends up that the SNES sold more. Nearly 10 million more, and possibly even more than that.

I don't see any evidence Genesis was winning year after year in sales at all. If you have some figures and data I'd be happy to read them...

SNES 49.10 million Vs Genesis 40 million -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

It could certainly be argued that SNES "destroyed" the Genesis in sales. Especially in a place like System Wars.

Note: When I originally used the word "destoryed" it was in the context of "nearly every area that can be measured" as a whole, from the games to the graphics, controller, third party support and indeed sales too. But still, it whipped the Genesis in sales and those are the facts.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

All the figures for this are pretty sketchy and are difficult to correlate but ultimately the SNES sold more and if you roughly balance the fact that the Genesis had a head start with the fact that the SNES kept going for a bit longer it still ends up that the SNES sold more. Nearly 10 million more, and possibly even more than that.

amaneuvering

I don't see any evidence Genesis was winning year after year in sales at all. If you have some figures and data I'd be happy to read them...

SNES 49.10 million Vs Genesis 40 million -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

It could certainly be argued that SNES "destroyed" the Genesis in sales. Especially in a place like System Wars.

Much like Sony in Europe, Sega and Europe went hand in hand they tended to be the favourable choice.

As has been stated only 1 territory the SNES was dominant and the US market was a fight to the death.On a territory by territory basis at the peak it was the closest generation ever, much like this one and its all well documented and strangely played a huge role in Sony's marketing and strategy come the PS1.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Maybe, but the fact remains that while they were competing directly Genesis was winning year after year. Whatever criteria you use to count who won, there's simply no sensible way to argue that SNES "destroyed" Genesis.

razgriz_101

I don't see any evidence Genesis was winning year after year in sales at all. If you have some figures and data I'd be happy to read them...

SNES 49.10 million Vs Genesis 40 million -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

It could certainly be argued that SNES "destroyed" the Genesis in sales. Especially in a place like System Wars.

Much like Sony in Europe, Sega and Europe went hand in hand they tended to be the favourable choice.

As has been stated only 1 territory the SNES was dominant and the US market was a fight to the death.On a territory by territory basis at the peak it was the closest generation ever, much like this one and its all well documented and strangely played a huge role in Sony's marketing and strategy come the PS1.

I don't see any evidence it was winning year after year at all. If you have some figures and data I'd be happy to read them...

SNES 49.10 million Vs Genesis 40 million -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

It could certainly be argued that SNES "destroyed" the Genesis in sales. Especially in a place like System Wars.

amaneuvering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis

" Genesis was able to secure an estimated 60% of the American 16-bit console market by June 1992"

"Sega accounting for 55% of all 16-bit hardware sales during 1994"

" According to a 2004 study of NPD sales data, the Sega Genesis was able to maintain its lead over the Super NES in the American 16-bit console market."

""In Europe the Mega Drive maintained support until 1998, where it managed to sell 8 million units, outselling all other consoles up through that time"

And my favorite one "A Sony focus group found that teenage boys would not admit to owning a Super NES rather than a Genesis" (this is System wars gold :D )

Seems that everywhere besides Japan Genesis completely destroyed SNES.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

I don't see any evidence Genesis was winning year after year in sales at all. If you have some figures and data I'd be happy to read them...

SNES 49.10 million Vs Genesis 40 million -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

It could certainly be argued that SNES "destroyed" the Genesis in sales. Especially in a place like System Wars.

amaneuvering

Much like Sony in Europe, Sega and Europe went hand in hand they tended to be the favourable choice.

As has been stated only 1 territory the SNES was dominant and the US market was a fight to the death.On a territory by territory basis at the peak it was the closest generation ever, much like this one and its all well documented and strangely played a huge role in Sony's marketing and strategy come the PS1.

Sure on the surface but as i have stated on a territory by territory basis its a different story especially in Japan and the European markets.Also Brazil was a major market that built up a staunch sega following back in the day due to Ninty not investing and such where as sega did.Which to an extent played a key role.

It's still a close race and one has to take into account how long each system was on sale and supported.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

I don't see any evidence it was winning year after year at all. If you have some figures and data I'd be happy to read them...

SNES 49.10 million Vs Genesis 40 million -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

It could certainly be argued that SNES "destroyed" the Genesis in sales. Especially in a place like System Wars.

AdrianWerner

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis

" Genesis was able to secure an estimated 60% of the American 16-bit console market by June 1992"

"Sega accounting for 55% of all 16-bit hardware sales during 1994"

" According to a 2004 study of NPD sales data, the Sega Genesis was able to maintain its lead over the Super NES in the American 16-bit console market."

""In Europe the Mega Drive maintained support until 1998, where it managed to sell 8 million units, outselling all other consoles up through that time"

And my favorite one "A Sony focus group found that teenage boys would not admit to owning a Super NES rather than a Genesis" (this is System wars gold :D )

Seems that everywhere besides Japan Genesis completely destroyed SNES.

None of those figures are specific to year on year sales which is what I was referring to in my post.

Genesis had a lead in certain markets, sure. But once the SNES came out I'm yet to see any evidence it continued to outsell the SNES on a month by month, year by year, basis.

I'm inclined to believe the SNES probably sold more units than the Genesis most months once it released but that it obviously had to make up a two year deficit before you can say it had outsold the Genesis overall in any territory.

The end sales results in the different territories are either SNES ultimately won on it was very close, from what I can see in the various Wiki articles.

So show me where the Genesis was continually outperforming the SNES in sales*, on a month by month or year by year basis (other than the two years the SNES wasn't on the market), or else I'll go with what makes sense; that once released the SNES outsold the Genesis and eventually took over it's overall lead.

* In the main territories of America, Europe and Japan. Also, if Nintendo wasn't in a territory, like Brazil, you can hardly use the higher Genesis sales in that region to argue it was outperforming the SNES.

None of those figures are specific to year on year sales which is what I was referring to in my post.amaneuvering

The 1994 ones are. So many years after SNES was out on the market Sega was still spanking it on annual basi

I'll go with what makes sense; that once released the SNES outsold the Genesis and eventually took over it's overall lead.

amaneuvering

This coupled with the fact that SNES sold more eventually leads to simple conclusion that the overall sales of SNES being better than Genesis is entirelly due to the fact that it kept being sold for almost half decade after Genesis stoped being produced

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

I don't see any evidence it was winning year after year at all. If you have some figures and data I'd be happy to read them...

SNES 49.10 million Vs Genesis 40 million -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles

It could certainly be argued that SNES "destroyed" the Genesis in sales. Especially in a place like System Wars.

amaneuvering

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis

" Genesis was able to secure an estimated 60% of the American 16-bit console market by June 1992"

"Sega accounting for 55% of all 16-bit hardware sales during 1994"

" According to a 2004 study of NPD sales data, the Sega Genesis was able to maintain its lead over the Super NES in the American 16-bit console market."

""In Europe the Mega Drive maintained support until 1998, where it managed to sell 8 million units, outselling all other consoles up through that time"

And my favorite one "A Sony focus group found that teenage boys would not admit to owning a Super NES rather than a Genesis" (this is System wars gold :D )

Seems that everywhere besides Japan Genesis completely destroyed SNES.

None of those figures are specific to year on year sales which is what I was referring to in my post.

Genesis had a lead in certain markets, sure. But once the SNES came out I'm yet to see any evidence it continued to outsell the SNES on a month by month, year by year, basis.

I'm inclined to believe the SNES probably sold more units than the Genesis most months once it released but that it obviously had to make up a two year deficit before you can say it had outsold the Genesis overall in any territory.

The end sales results in the different territories are either SNES ultimately won on it was very close, from what I can see in the various Wiki articles.

So show me where the Genesis was continually outperforming the SNES in sales*, on a month by month or year by year basis (other than the two years the SNES wasn't on the market), or else I'll go with what makes sense; that once released the SNES outsold the Genesis and eventually took over it's overall lead.

* In the main territories of America, Europe and Japan. Also, if Nintendo wasn't in a territory, like Brazil, you can hardly use the higher Genesis sales in that region to argue it was outperforming the SNES.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

None of those figures are specific to year on year sales which is what I was referring to in my post.AdrianWerner

The 1994 ones are. So many years after SNES was out on the market Sega was still spanking it on annual basi

I'll go with what makes sense; that once released the SNES outsold the Genesis and eventually took over it's overall lead.

amaneuvering

This coupled with the fact that SNES sold more eventually leads to simple conclusion that the overall sales of SNES being better than Genesis is entirelly due to the fact that it kept being sold for almost half decade after Genesis stoped being produced

Yeah, 55% one particular year really isn't spanking it.

Also, most sources put the SNES ahead in both North America and Japan with the Genesis taking the lead in Europe (or other) by the end of their lives. So in terms of sales, at best it could be argued the SNES destroyed the Genesis Japan, they were relatively even in North America (although most sources do suggest the SNES did win there by a small amount) and the Geneses won in Europe (or other)

Also you are way off in the timelines.

The Genesis had a roughly 2 year start on the SNES in all territories. The SNES was discontinued the same year as the Genesis in America based on the Wiki articles (so the Genesis still had two extra years of sales) but a lot longer in Japan (which is where it has the biggest lead by far).

Genesis dicontinued in NA 1999 (because Majesco continued selling it) and worlwide in general 1997 -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis

Super Nintendo discontinued in NA 1999 and 2003 Japan -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System

um...no?

the genesis and SNES were actually quite matched the majority of that generation infact I think at one point the genesis owned like 61% of the market at one point...

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

The 1994 ones are. So many years after SNES was out on the market Sega was still spanking it on annual basi

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]I'll go with what makes sense; that once released the SNES outsold the Genesis and eventually took over it's overall lead.

amaneuvering

This coupled with the fact that SNES sold more eventually leads to simple conclusion that the overall sales of SNES being better than Genesis is entirelly due to the fact that it kept being sold for almost half decade after Genesis stoped being produced

Yeah, 55% one particular year really isn't spanking it.

Also, most sources put the SNES ahead in both North America and Japan with the Genesis taking the lead in Europe (or other) by the end of their lives. So in terms of sales, at best it could be argued the SNES destroyed the Genesis Japan, they were relatively even in North America (although most sources do suggest the SNES did win there by a small amount) and the Geneses won in Europe (or other)

Also you are way off in the timelines.

The Genesis had a roughly 2 year start on the SNES in all territories. The SNES was discontinued the same year as the Genesis in America based on the Wiki articles (so the Genesis still had two extra years of sales) but a lot longer in Japan (which is where it has the biggest lead by far).

Genesis dicontinued in NA 1999 (because Majesco continued selling it) and worlwide in general 1997 -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_Genesis

Super Nintendo discontinued in NA 1999 and 2003 Japan -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System

Also, check this out:

Genesis

1991 - $586
1992 - $1,151
1993 - $1,938
1994 - $1,812
1995 - $812
1996 - $294
1997 - $180

SNES

1991 - $560
1992 - $1,733 ^
1993 - $1,890
1994 - $1,471
1995 - $823 ^
1996 - $514 ^
1997 - $243 ^

http://segatastic.blogspot.co.uk/2009/12/mega-drive-sales-figures-update.html

SNES made more revenue for 4 out of the 7 years it was on sale directly Vs the Genesis based on those numbers. Genesis did however do better than SNES on 3 of those years so fairs fair.

Note: The America numbers in that article count Brazil as part of the Genesis total America sales even though the SNES wasn't even available in Brazil. So if you just use the North America figures then Nintendo is actually the winner there. It even counts the Nomad too, which really is not a Genesis. It's a friking handheld for God's sake.Fairs fair, right.

In reality, the SNES sold 23.35 million in North America Vs the Genesis selling 20 million. So SNES wins there as well as Japan. Fairs fair.

They made atari disappear, they destroyed sega, they're destroying Microsoft and sony now. Look at their profits. Nintendo will never lose and alwyas will be in first.LiquidAjax

nintendo can't do jack shlt against MS, PC, 360 and neXtBOX gamers don't care about shltty little kids toys with dated tech like wii and wiiuniversity

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]What are you smoking? Microsoft is in the best position financially by a long shot. Wii was a great success units wise, but they have NOTHING close to money printing that Xbox LIVe GOLD offers.LiquidAjax

reggie taking names AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] Wrong, you probably weren't even alive then.LiquidAjax

That's why he's past the age of nintendo kiddy shlt, but 8 year olds like you will enjoy it.

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] .....im 30...percuvius2

That's why he's past the age of nintendo kiddy shlt, but 8 year olds like you will enjoy it.

Yet with your silly spamming you have the mental capacity of the nintendo fans you seem to lambast and spam with arguements that seem to be bout as rigid as water.

Oh by the way, Playstation offers free online services.

Liquid_

This just in : You get what you pay for

Atari did itself in through poor business decisions (see the mass producing of et carts as an example). Sega did itself in by releasing Sega cd and 32x and then quickly dropping support for them in favor of the Saturn which they quickly rushed to market. This helped to burn a majority of third party support. Saturn was hard to develop for and Bernie stolar felt that Japanese rpgs wouldn't do well in na so most weren't released. They gained some ground back with the Dreamcast but by then it was too late. Atari and Sega killed themselves through poor business decisions. Not Sony and sure as hell not Nintendo.

This thread is dumb. The N64 and Gamecube got whipped. Nintendo is not immune to failure.

sheep can't admit nintendo isn't god. I know it's hard isn't it?

baaaah

[QUOTE="Liquid_"]

Oh by the way, Playstation offers free online services.

percuvius2

This just in : You get what you pay for

[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

[QUOTE="LiquidAjax"] You act like you're 12.razgriz_101

That's why he's past the age of nintendo kiddy shlt, but 8 year olds like you will enjoy it.

Yet with your silly spamming you have the mental capacity of the nintendo fans you seem to lambast and spam with arguements that seem to be bout as rigid as water.

I'll put my IQ up against yours anyday and put money on it too!

Nintendo domination continuation

[QUOTE="Liquid_"]

Oh by the way, Playstation offers free online services.

percuvius2

This just in : You get what you pay for