Nintendo has saved the industry........................AGAIN!!!

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="Dencore"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?axt113

No massive amount of rehases, non varied genres, and death of small developers.

Rehashes, Nintendo is the #1 company when it comes to rehashing mario games and next to it pokemon portable games.

Mario games aren't rehashes, SPM is different from other marios

Tell that to the 8 mario party games and the million sports games he's in.

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="haris12121212"][QUOTE="Dencore"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?Ezgam3r

No massive amount of rehases, non varied genres, and death of small developers.

Rehashes, Nintendo is the #1 company when it comes to rehashing mario games and next to it pokemon portable games.

Mario games aren't rehashes, SPM is different from other marios

Tell that to the 8 mario party games and the million sports games he's in.

Every Mario game these days is the re-hash of the most exploited and over-used variety. 

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

No a Rehash is something that is done with no substantial changes, Mario games are very different from each otheraxt113

...until they vomit 20 year old marketing icons, plot structures, and fairly repetitive gameplay down Nintendo fans' throat.

Oh wait, clearly, these factors of a game do not warrant "substantial changes." Sigh...

 

The gameplay isn't repetitive

Seeing as all gameplay is founded on the ideas it animates to some extent, I don't see how you could call it not reptitive.   FoamingPanda

Are you referring to just the Mario Party games or the entire Mario franchise, because the franchise games are not repetitive, Mario Party is close, but the difference in the individual games keep it interesting

Oh snap! another 5000 pokemon I have to catch! :lol:
Ezgam3r

I read your post and MP isn't close to rehash, it is the definition of rehash. They hardly change much in every game. Ezgam3r

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]Oh snap! another 5000 pokemon I have to catch! :lol:
axt113

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?subrosian

Isn't this a bit... ridiculous? At $50 a game the cost of games is much higher than the cost of any console, even the PS3. For just $150 more than the Wii you can get an Xbox 360 with a year of Xbox LIVE from Dell. You don't even have to drive to the store or camp out - right to your door in three to five days.

The Xbox 360 comes with all the cables you need for HD as well, so no having to spend $30 to get component cables, and it works perfectly with your sound system thanks to dolby digital support.

If we're arguing that graphics don't matter, why should I buy a Wii over my girlfriends PS2 and my Gamecube? I've played Wii sports to death, and I've honestly found GCN and PS2 games to be more interesting as a hardcore gamer than Wii games. I'd rather play FFX, Disgaea, and Eternal Darkness than Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc...

I've even got access to the famed Twilight Princess. I think I'll save $250 by not buying a Wii.

I don't want the core 360, its garbage, that leaves the premium which isn't worth $400

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]I read your post and MP isn't close to rehash, it is the definition of rehash. They hardly change much in every game. axt113

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]I read your post and MP isn't close to rehash, it is the definition of rehash. They hardly change much in every game. Ezgam3r

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?axt113

Isn't this a bit... ridiculous? At $50 a game the cost of games is much higher than the cost of any console, even the PS3. For just $150 more than the Wii you can get an Xbox 360 with a year of Xbox LIVE from Dell. You don't even have to drive to the store or camp out - right to your door in three to five days.

The Xbox 360 comes with all the cables you need for HD as well, so no having to spend $30 to get component cables, and it works perfectly with your sound system thanks to dolby digital support.

If we're arguing that graphics don't matter, why should I buy a Wii over my girlfriends PS2 and my Gamecube? I've played Wii sports to death, and I've honestly found GCN and PS2 games to be more interesting as a hardcore gamer than Wii games. I'd rather play FFX, Disgaea, and Eternal Darkness than Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc...

I've even got access to the famed Twilight Princess. I think I'll save $250 by not buying a Wii.

I don't want the core 360, its garbage, that leaves the premium which isn't worth $400

I want a next gen console, not a gamecube with a new controller. Sorry but I can pick up a gamecube and twighlight princess for a total of $100, that is over $200 cheaper then getting it with a wii. Same logic as yours. Wii isnt worth $250, more like $150

Had the big N left Sony and MS to their own devices we would be getting generation after generation of rising cost, More expensive consoles, more expensive games, higher development cost, and no innovation. This certainly would have led to a crash.

 

You should send Nintendo a thank you note. 

remington38

Yes, THANK you nintendo for bringing gaming 10 years back in graphics !!!! How nice, now if other follwo you, all we have left is pc

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?DoctorBunny

Isn't this a bit... ridiculous? At $50 a game the cost of games is much higher than the cost of any console, even the PS3. For just $150 more than the Wii you can get an Xbox 360 with a year of Xbox LIVE from Dell. You don't even have to drive to the store or camp out - right to your door in three to five days.

The Xbox 360 comes with all the cables you need for HD as well, so no having to spend $30 to get component cables, and it works perfectly with your sound system thanks to dolby digital support.

If we're arguing that graphics don't matter, why should I buy a Wii over my girlfriends PS2 and my Gamecube? I've played Wii sports to death, and I've honestly found GCN and PS2 games to be more interesting as a hardcore gamer than Wii games. I'd rather play FFX, Disgaea, and Eternal Darkness than Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc...

I've even got access to the famed Twilight Princess. I think I'll save $250 by not buying a Wii.

I don't want the core 360, its garbage, that leaves the premium which isn't worth $400

I want a next gen console, not a gamecube with a new controller. Sorry but I can pick up a gamecube and twighlight princess for a total of $100, that is over $200 cheaper then getting it with a wii. Same logic as yours. Wii isnt worth $250, more like $150

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?axt113

Isn't this a bit... ridiculous? At $50 a game the cost of games is much higher than the cost of any console, even the PS3. For just $150 more than the Wii you can get an Xbox 360 with a year of Xbox LIVE from Dell. You don't even have to drive to the store or camp out - right to your door in three to five days.

The Xbox 360 comes with all the cables you need for HD as well, so no having to spend $30 to get component cables, and it works perfectly with your sound system thanks to dolby digital support.

If we're arguing that graphics don't matter, why should I buy a Wii over my girlfriends PS2 and my Gamecube? I've played Wii sports to death, and I've honestly found GCN and PS2 games to be more interesting as a hardcore gamer than Wii games. I'd rather play FFX, Disgaea, and Eternal Darkness than Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc...

I've even got access to the famed Twilight Princess. I think I'll save $250 by not buying a Wii.

I don't want the core 360, its garbage, that leaves the premium which isn't worth $400

I want a next gen console, not a gamecube with a new controller. Sorry but I can pick up a gamecube and twighlight princess for a total of $100, that is over $200 cheaper then getting it with a wii. Same logic as yours. Wii isnt worth $250, more like $150

hasnt passed 10 mill? right, well then since you say it. im going to have to say the wii sold 150,000 total world wide. now it must be true!

 

hasnt passed 10 mill? right, well then since you say it. im going to have to say the wii sold 150,000 total world wide. now it must be true!

DoctorBunny

Oh i'm not just saying it, NPD data places US sales at five million for the 360, Aussie sales are less than 300K, Japanese less than 400K, meaning less than 6 million outside europe, in Europe at the end of the year it was less than 2 million, meaing they are definetly not at 10 million 

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?axt113

Isn't this a bit... ridiculous? At $50 a game the cost of games is much higher than the cost of any console, even the PS3. For just $150 more than the Wii you can get an Xbox 360 with a year of Xbox LIVE from Dell. You don't even have to drive to the store or camp out - right to your door in three to five days.

The Xbox 360 comes with all the cables you need for HD as well, so no having to spend $30 to get component cables, and it works perfectly with your sound system thanks to dolby digital support.

If we're arguing that graphics don't matter, why should I buy a Wii over my girlfriends PS2 and my Gamecube? I've played Wii sports to death, and I've honestly found GCN and PS2 games to be more interesting as a hardcore gamer than Wii games. I'd rather play FFX, Disgaea, and Eternal Darkness than Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc...

I've even got access to the famed Twilight Princess. I think I'll save $250 by not buying a Wii.

I don't want the core 360, its garbage, that leaves the premium which isn't worth $400

I didn't suggest the core 360. I said $150 more - that's the premium. For $150 more I get 720p graphics, 5.1 surround support, online gaming via LIVE (one year free with a 360 purchase from Dell) and access to a whole host of games new and ****c games.

That is absolutely worth $150 more. The only thing the Wii seems to offer over my Gamecube or PS2 is Wii Sports, and that's not something I'm seeing changing.

Like Resident Evil 4? Now it's Resident Evil 4 with motion sensitivity!
Like Metroid Prime? Now it's Metroid Prime with motion sensitivity!
Like Mario Strikers? Now it's Mario Strikers with motion sensitivity!


It just seems like something for people who haven't played a lot of videogames before, not something for a hardcore gamer who's been gaming since the dawn of Nintendo.

Had the big N left Sony and MS to their own devices we would be getting generation after generation of rising cost, More expensive consoles, more expensive games, higher development cost, and no innovation. This certainly would have led to a crash.

 

You should send Nintendo a thank you note. 

remington38

With Sony and Microsoft we get better and better hardware and more bang for our buck( each company sold there systems for hefty losses) With the Wii you get  5 year old hardware with a gimmicky remote and PS2 and Gamecube ports that look almost identical to what they did when they were released years ago.  The thing is the Wii is a peace of trash and anyone who calls this inovation has been freaking hypmotized by Nintendo.

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="Dencore"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?DoctorBunny

It is not only weaker graphics, it is FORCING outdated physics in games too, as the hardware cannot handle the physics the 360 and ps3 produce in games. That is actually destroying gaming

The same could be said that they are FORCING developers to use physics and power for games they don't want to or don't need and kill off all the genres that don't use it.

When was the last time you saw a good shoot-em-up hit stores?

So you are saying you want gaming to make zero progress? wow, congrats on being a casual gamer.

So are you saying you want gaming to focus on destructable environments instead of level design and combat, wow congrats on being a n00b.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?Blue-Berry

More like from 40 million dollar plus standard for most decent games, increasing risk for developers forcing them to stick to proven forumlas instead of expanding a genre. Our saving us from 500 $ Plus consoles and 60 - 80 $ games? The Wii might have failed to hit the balance but thruthfully I rather take the Wii route than the PS3/360 route. (Got a 360 and Wii btw.)

Totally agreed.

hahahaha seriously? Destructable environments enhance level design, making things not possible on the wii possible on ps3/360. Oh wait prey and half life 2 with its portals arent innovative at all, yet its more than ANYTHING the wii has done

rofl i was commenting on what you were saying, that destrucable environments don't have to do with level design. and you referred them to when I said physics the wii can't do. Make up your freaking mind kid.

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?subrosian

Isn't this a bit... ridiculous? At $50 a game the cost of games is much higher than the cost of any console, even the PS3. For just $150 more than the Wii you can get an Xbox 360 with a year of Xbox LIVE from Dell. You don't even have to drive to the store or camp out - right to your door in three to five days.

The Xbox 360 comes with all the cables you need for HD as well, so no having to spend $30 to get component cables, and it works perfectly with your sound system thanks to dolby digital support.

If we're arguing that graphics don't matter, why should I buy a Wii over my girlfriends PS2 and my Gamecube? I've played Wii sports to death, and I've honestly found GCN and PS2 games to be more interesting as a hardcore gamer than Wii games. I'd rather play FFX, Disgaea, and Eternal Darkness than Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc...

I've even got access to the famed Twilight Princess. I think I'll save $250 by not buying a Wii.

I don't want the core 360, its garbage, that leaves the premium which isn't worth $400

I didn't suggest the core 360. I said $150 more - that's the premium. For $150 more I get 720p graphics, 5.1 surround support, online gaming via LIVE (one year free with a 360 purchase from Dell) and access to a whole host of games new and ****c games.

That is absolutely worth $150 more. The only thing the Wii seems to offer over my Gamecube or PS2 is Wii Sports, and that's not something I'm seeing changing.

Like Resident Evil 4? Now it's Resident Evil 4 with motion sensitivity!
Like Metroid Prime? Now it's Metroid Prime with motion sensitivity!
Like Mario Strikers? Now it's Mario Strikers with motion sensitivity!


It just seems like something for people who haven't played a lot of videogames before, not something for a hardcore gamer who's been gaming since the dawn of Nintendo.

its more like only $100 more for a premium 360...once you add in those $30 Wii Component Cables and the $20 Clssic Controller to take FULL Advantage of the Virtual Console as well...not everyone has gamecube controllers from last gen.

Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughDoctorBunny

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughremington38

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

If anything, Nintendo is teaching the industry to make the cheapest possible product, add agimick and watch the money come rolling in. Theres no point trying to hide it. Nintendo wants money. Everybody does.DeathWishv1

thats where I stopped reading.

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughDoctorBunny

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughremington38

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

So you can still buy a 360 for $300. Sorry but nothing you say changes it. I guess we have to jack up the price of the Wii seeing how to get the better experience, like the premium, there is much more needed.

 Nice try fanboy

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughDoctorBunny

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

So you can still buy a 360 for $300. Sorry but nothing you say changes it. I guess we have to jack up the price of the Wii seeing how to get the better experience, like the premium, there is much more needed.

Nice try fanboy

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?Uptown

Isn't this a bit... ridiculous? At $50 a game the cost of games is much higher than the cost of any console, even the PS3. For just $150 more than the Wii you can get an Xbox 360 with a year of Xbox LIVE from Dell. You don't even have to drive to the store or camp out - right to your door in three to five days.

The Xbox 360 comes with all the cables you need for HD as well, so no having to spend $30 to get component cables, and it works perfectly with your sound system thanks to dolby digital support.

If we're arguing that graphics don't matter, why should I buy a Wii over my girlfriends PS2 and my Gamecube? I've played Wii sports to death, and I've honestly found GCN and PS2 games to be more interesting as a hardcore gamer than Wii games. I'd rather play FFX, Disgaea, and Eternal Darkness than Super Paper Mario, Sonic and the Secret Rings, etc...

I've even got access to the famed Twilight Princess. I think I'll save $250 by not buying a Wii.

I don't want the core 360, its garbage, that leaves the premium which isn't worth $400

I didn't suggest the core 360. I said $150 more - that's the premium. For $150 more I get 720p graphics, 5.1 surround support, online gaming via LIVE (one year free with a 360 purchase from Dell) and access to a whole host of games new and ****c games.

That is absolutely worth $150 more. The only thing the Wii seems to offer over my Gamecube or PS2 is Wii Sports, and that's not something I'm seeing changing.

Like Resident Evil 4? Now it's Resident Evil 4 with motion sensitivity!
Like Metroid Prime? Now it's Metroid Prime with motion sensitivity!
Like Mario Strikers? Now it's Mario Strikers with motion sensitivity!


It just seems like something for people who haven't played a lot of videogames before, not something for a hardcore gamer who's been gaming since the dawn of Nintendo.

its more like only $100 more for a premium 360...once you add in those $30 Wii Component Cables and the $20 Clssic Controller to take FULL Advantage of the Virtual Console as well...not everyone has gamecube controllers from last gen.

I'm not going to play price games, I'm not a Sony fan trying to claim the 360 is more expensive because of Xbox LIVE - plus small accessory purchases here and there are a lot easier to take than having to have a big chunk of money all at once. The Wii is $250, the Xbox 360 is $400 - at the end of the day I think having real surround sound and excellent graphics is worth $150 - especially when you consider how many hundreds of dollars you spend on software.


That $150 isn't that much money in comparison to what you get in return - better graphics, better sound, and better online. When I buy a game like Gears of War on the 360, I know I'm going to get a lot of use out of it. When I buy a game on the Wii, once I'm bored of the single player, it's over.

You're completely denying yourself JRPGs (such as Blue Dragon or Final Fantasy XIII), multiplayer RPGs (such as Too Human), MMOs (such as Huxley), multiplayer online FPS (such as Halo 3 or Killzone 2), and multiplayer arcade gaming (such as Uno and Little Big World).

I've included some PS3 games because, frankly, even the PS3 is a better choice than the Wii. 

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughremington38

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

So you can still buy a 360 for $300. Sorry but nothing you say changes it. I guess we have to jack up the price of the Wii seeing how to get the better experience, like the premium, there is much more needed.

Nice try fanboy

no YOU are. You are making things up because you want to make your argument look better. Sorry but it isn't happening. Because a nintendo fanboy says its going to happen, I guess MS better jump right up on it huh?

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughDoctorBunny

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

So you can still buy a 360 for $300. Sorry but nothing you say changes it. I guess we have to jack up the price of the Wii seeing how to get the better experience, like the premium, there is much more needed.

Nice try fanboy

no YOU are. You are making things up because you want to make your argument look better. Sorry but it isn't happening. Because a nintendo fanboy says its going to happen, I guess MS better jump right up on it huh?

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughDoctorBunny

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

So you can still buy a 360 for $300. Sorry but nothing you say changes it. I guess we have to jack up the price of the Wii seeing how to get the better experience, like the premium, there is much more needed.

 Nice try fanboy

Nintendo saved themselves.LINKloco

it's not impossible to make innovative games on the Xbox 360 and/or PS3 :|dracula_16

the funny thing is that despite all the hype Wii isn't providing any real innovative games. Just like DS(hyped to be revolutionary and I saw maybe one really innovatie game there) 

Had the big N left Sony and MS to their own devices we would be getting generation after generation of rising cost, More expensive consoles, more expensive games, higher development cost, and no innovation. This certainly would have led to a crash.

 

You should send Nintendo a thank you note. 

remington38

Then again, had Sony not come along, Nintendo might never have started making games on discs and the industry might not have exploded and created all of the jobs and profits and good times enjoyed the world over as a result.

You're completely denying yourself JRPGs (such as Blue Dragon or Final Fantasy XIII), multiplayer RPGs (such as Too Human), MMOs (such as Huxley), multiplayer online FPS (such as Halo 3 or Killzone 2), and multiplayer arcade gaming (such as Uno and Little Big World).

subrosian

In the wii future releases there are plenty of JRPG and RPG-like simulation games (and, by the way... to some extent 3 have been already released so far).
The fact is that most of them will not leave Japan and will not be exported.

Regarding Multiplayes RPG you are right indeed.

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughlaughingman42

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

So you can still buy a 360 for $300. Sorry but nothing you say changes it. I guess we have to jack up the price of the Wii seeing how to get the better experience, like the premium, there is much more needed.

Nice try fanboy

Then again, had Sony not come along, Nintendo might never have started making games on discs and the industry might not have exploded and created all of the jobs and profits and good times enjoyed the world over as a result.CubeJL

Now I'm not going to get into this whole pointless discussion of who offers a 'better' deal for our money, but the PS1 was originally supposed to be Nintendo's console (or some add-on for the SNES or something) as Nintendo was the one who made a deal with Sony to produce it, until they broke that off.  The idea that without Sony the sudden rapid expansion of the industry might not have happened is possible though

Also Nintendo has resurrected all the good genres like platformers, adventure games, and dungeon crawlers.

Dencore

Until they resurrect 2D fighters and SHMUPs they aren't getting my money, also...dungeon crawlers, how exactly have they made a dungeon crawler?

No a Rehash is something that is done with no substantial changes, Mario games are very different from each other

axt113

Tell me how Super Mario 64 DS is substantively different from Super Mario 64 or how the last few Mario Party games have been substantially different, or how New Super Mario Bros. is substantially different from Super Mario World.

Pokemon Ranger is very differentaxt113

Its also a game of mediocre to garbage quality, the Mystery Dungeon titles are the definition of garbage, that Gale of Darkness title wasn't much above mediocre, the Pokemon Colosseum titles weren't particularly good, Pokemon Snap and Hey You, Pikachu! should never have been made.

Really the only games that can qualify as "good" are the ones in the mold of the original title and their basic concepts never change..at all. Final Fantasy is far less of a rehash by that measure than they are.

[QUOTE="DeathWishv1"]If anything, Nintendo is teaching the industry to make the cheapest possible product, addagimick and watch the money come rolling in. Theres no point trying to hide it. Nintendo wants money. Everybody does.XenoNinja

thats where I stopped reading.

Are you arguing that most Wii developers don't use the motion control for utterly gimmicked and/or poorly functioning purposes?

Now I'm not going to get into this whole pointless discussion of who offers a 'better' deal for our money, but the PS1 was originally supposed to be Nintendo's console (or some add-on for the SNES or something) as Nintendo was the one who made a deal with Sony to produce it, until they broke that off. The idea that without Sony the sudden rapid expansion of the industry might not have happened is possible though

Ultimate_Peon

The SNES add-on was entirely scrapped and the system was essentially made from scratch after the deal broke off. I'm not going to argue which company has done the most for the industry, but they are very different machines (for instance, powerful 3D was not a goal for the add-on). 

Great...another fanboy thread. Baaabaaabaaabaaa!

The N has killed it, with the n cutting corners, holding power back and the MD thing..I suspect a crash soon because of them! Me and I am sure others will be done with games of the n wins. I will sent them a hate letter.

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]Nintendo saved themselves.axt113

Well the handhelds would have kept ninty going forever even if Wii failed, but Wii will make Sony and MS, keep the prices of their next consoles low

And the power, memory, graphics, quality......Yep...The N is great.....They are killing real gamers here.

The SNES add-on was entirely scrapped and the system was essentially made from scratch after the deal broke off. I'm not going to argue which company has done the most for the industry, but they are very different machines (for instance, powerful 3D was not a goal for the add-on). Runningflame570

Whatever the original intention, Nintendo contracted Sony to construct some game device using cds.  After breaking it off with Sony Nintendo tried again with Philips, resulting in the CD-i.  Then for whatever reason Nintendo then just ended up sticking with cartridges, contributing to its downfall with the N64.  Whether the PS1 is exactly what Nintendo contracted originally is unimportant as what is is that Nintendo was trying to expand into the realm of cd-usage. 

I honestly think there would've been a massive decline in gaming (not a crash)

 

I mean think about it how many times can you play a game where you shoot something in the head.

Also Nintendo has resurrected all the good genres like platformers, adventure games, and dungeon crawlers.

 

Dencore

Those games were always there! Look at the PS2 games, THEY ARE THERE! Do your homework dude.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"]Like ive already said. MS made thier price structure for the 360 haveing NO idea what the wii would be. Nice try thoughsubrosian

Your whole argument is without nintendo they would of raised the prices, yet without any known price structure of the wii, they made it $300

So you can still buy a 360 for $300. Sorry but nothing you say changes it. I guess we have to jack up the price of the Wii seeing how to get the better experience, like the premium, there is much more needed.

Nice try fanboy

Had the big N left Sony and MS to their own devices we would be getting generation after generation of rising cost, More expensive consoles, more expensive games, higher development cost, and no innovation. This certainly would have led to a crash.

 

You should send Nintendo a thank you note.

remington38

Also PS3 has broken records in europe and the 360 is selling very well. So they begg to differ. The Wiidiots get more misinformed by the day. 

Me and I am sure others will be done with games of the n wins. I will sent them a hate letter.Death2009

Please tell me that was sarcasm.  If not, you really need to grow up.

Even if Nintendo wins this generation that doesn't mean that Microsoft and Sony will just throw their arms in the air and say "that's it!  We give up!"  Come on man.  Microsoft and Nintendo were beaten the last generation and you don't see them crying like little babies over it.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]They have not saved it... yet.NRGCDS