Nintendo has saved the industry........................AGAIN!!!

No, No and No. They never saved the Industry in the first place. If you actually were alive in the video game crash, you would no it only happend in North America. Thats the only place the crash happend. Nintendo saved a portion of the market, but not the industry, only the misinformed Wiikids seem to think otherwise.gingerdivid

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]Nintendo saved themselves.axt113

Well the handhelds would have kept ninty going forever even if Wii failed, but Wii will make Sony and MS, keep the prices of their next consoles low

Nintendo saved themselves.LINKloco

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[QUOTE="LINKloco"]Nintendo saved themselves.peacebringer

Well the handhelds would have kept ninty going forever even if Wii failed, but Wii will make Sony and MS, keep the prices of their next consoles low

Sure but I'm not paying $600 for a PS3, or $480 for a 360 elite, I only want to pay $250-300 tops, and probably not even that (last gen I waited until I could get all systems under $100 on ebay)

Nintendo saved themselves.LINKloco

exactly. 

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly?  Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?axt113

and dumber A.I., bad Sound, and practically non existant physics........

Yay for the wiiiiiiiiiiiii :D

[QUOTE="elektrixxx"]The crash was already starting to beginUltra-Alue

Can you provide actual proof of this?

Common Sense doesn't have a link. 

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[QUOTE="LINKloco"]Nintendo saved themselves.Death2009

Well the handhelds would have kept ninty going forever even if Wii failed, but Wii will make Sony and MS, keep the prices of their next consoles low

And the power, memory, graphics, quality......Yep...The N is great.....They are killing real gamers here.

well wii lovers are the real next gen gamers :roll:

 

 

 

 

No a Rehash is something that is done with no substantial changes, Mario games are very different from each other

Runningflame570

Tell me how Super Mario 64 DS is substantively different from Super Mario 64 or how the last few Mario Party games have been substantially different, or how New Super Mario Bros. is substantially different from Super Mario World.

 

Pokemon Ranger is very differentaxt113

Its also a game of mediocre to garbage quality, the Mystery Dungeon titles are the definition of garbage, that Gale of Darkness title wasn't much above mediocre, the Pokemon Colosseum titles weren't particularly good, Pokemon Snap and Hey You, Pikachu! should never have been made.

Really the only games that can qualify as "good" are the ones in the mold of the original title and their basic concepts never change..at all. Final Fantasy is far less of a rehash by that measure than they are.

Mario 64 DS was a port it was not a sequel, so saying its a reahash is stupid, because it was not intended to be that different, as I've said about Mario Party the individual games in it are different, and NSMB incoproates many of the features of the 3d mario's into the 2d game, plus the multiplayer feature is different.

Now you're arguing quality which is subjective, I'm not discussing the quality of Pokemon ranger, i'm discussing whether its different or a reahash 

Had the big N left Sony and MS to their own devices we would be getting generation after generation of rising cost, More expensive consoles, more expensive games, higher development cost, and no innovation. This certainly would have led to a crash.

 

You should send Nintendo a thank you note.

remington38

LAWL! Ninty does not save the industry!! Micro$oft is DESTROYING it, considering the fact, that they buy everything they can.

The gaming industry IS NOT safe it is in danger and if it goes on like this you can count me out (yeah, I know, "who cares?". I do.)! 

Its a bit early to say they "saved" anything. Plus saying they saved us from expensive prices etc is a bit excessive when they overcharge for their own console.

They havent exactly set the best example for M$ and Sony to follow.

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[QUOTE="axt113"] $600+, yeah i'd rather have weaker graphics and pay only $300axt113

Yes, because all consoles from now on will be $600. Get a clue.

Elite is $480 and PS3 is about $600, next gen it would have been even higher if not for the Wii

Nintendo is saving the industry by reminding it that people want games that are GAMES.

Not everyone is a 'hardcore' gamer (btw, lol x 1000), some people just want to relax and have fun i.e. play a GAME.

Remember folks, they are called video GAMES not "video life-replacements", many people just want a fun diversion, not a two month long commitment.

MS and Sony forgot that and targeted their products towards 14-16 year olds with awesome 'high-tech' specs and 'edgy' 'hardcore' games, which amounts to, lets be honest, a bunch of pointless d*ck waving.

Nintendo remembered that gaming is supposed to be about fun first and foremost and being super l33t a far distant second. 

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[QUOTE="axt113"] $600+, yeah i'd rather have weaker graphics and pay only $300jonesy1911

Yes, because all consoles from now on will be $600. Get a clue.

Elite is $480 and PS3 is about $600, next gen it would have been even higher if not for the Wii

Oh I can afford it, I just don't want to pay that much, and most people don't want to pay that much either, Sony and MS are learning that now 

Nintendo is saving the industry by reminding it that people want games that are GAMES.

Not everyone is a 'hardcore' gamer (btw, lol x 1000), some people just want to relax and have fun i.e. play a GAME.

Remember folks, they are called video GAMES not "video life-replacements", many people just want a fun diversion, not a two month long commitment.

MS and Sony forgot that and targeted their products towards 14-16 year olds with awesome 'high-tech' specs and 'edgy' 'hardcore' games, which amounts to, lets be honest, a bunch of pointless d*ck waving.

Nintendo remembered that gaming is supposed to be about fun first and foremost and being super l33t a far distant second. 

sps9

Wii games are fun but so are Xbox 360 and PS3 games, the current games on the Wii are ok (although the games that were developed with the Wii in mind are just not that good) but then on 360 and PS3 you have Oblivion, GeoW GRAW etc.

 Remember kids Nintendo are not the only one making fun games, its purely subjective but saying all 360 and PS3 games are just great tech spec show offs is slightly ignorant.

I just think that Nintendo saved themselves. They were in trouble until the DS came out.jfkunrendered

Had the big N left Sony and MS to their own devices we would be getting generation after generation of rising cost, More expensive consoles, more expensive games, higher development cost, and no innovation. This certainly would have led to a crash.

 

You should send Nintendo a thank you note. 

remington38

ummm ok thats your opinion however.... the wii wasnt released until after the 360 which was priced at 300 and 400 dollars so yeah wtg for nintendo on regulating MS's price on the 360 from a year into the future.... oh yeah and the fact that sony is selling a system and a new HD format known as Blu-ray player. so let me get all my thoughts together really quickly. MS came out a year before the wii yet the wii determined 360 price and because of the wii Sony chose to sell its ps3 at 600 and 500 instead of the fact that its NEW tech was expensive.

So yes you are right its because of the wii that prices are so low even though Sony had to have a high price due to BR and the 360 was already out, not that any of this would really matter as the wii is nothing more then last gen garbage. i know ill get flamed by sheep in all directions but you know if anybody over payed it was sheep. they get their hardware for 300 dollars and all that they get is a GC with a new controller.... wow and i thought 360 controllers were expensive

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly?  Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?Giancar

and dumber A.I., bad Sound, and practically non existant physics........

Yay for the wiiiiiiiiiiiii :D

While Nintendo has helped bring more casual gamers into the market, they haven't really saved it.  IMO they are pretty much catering to the casuals, and not people who have given the industry its backbone over the last few years. 

For example (which I know a small sample isn't representative of anything as a whole, but I think its a decent anecdote), in my dorm hall, we have a Wii, 2 Playstation 2's, 2 N64's, and an Xbox 360.  The people that have PS2s mainly use them for Guitar Hero, and the N64s are rarely played.  I would consider myself to be the only really "hardcore" gamer out of the bunch (although one kid does play Guild Wars alot). 

When the Wii came in, we all really enjoyed it, especially playing Warioware and Wii sports together...for about a week.  We soon all got very bored of it, and it seriously hasn't been touched since, even by the kid that owns it.  On the X360, however, we have consistently played pretty much the last month and a half.  What game was able to trump Nintendo's new appeal to casuals and next gen control scheme?  Worms HD.  Seriously, for the $10 I spent on Worms HD, we have had dozens more hours of fun than we enjoyed playing WiiPlay, WiiSports, Warioware, and Trauma Center.

Unless Nintendo develops multi and single player games that have lasting appeal to casuals and hardcores alike and don't just rely on the Wii-mote to be fun, I really don't think they will be saving anything.

Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?Teufelhuhn

 All of a sudden the console itself is to blame for developers' games?  The Wii has improved graphics.  Gameplay and production values are up to devs.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?Screamteam411

All of a sudden the console itself is to blame for developers' games? The Wii has improved graphics. Gameplay and production values are up to devs.

But Devs are limited by the hardware.

Let me explain with the great "Common Sense" Crystal ball, if Wii wins, graphics development/realistic play will have less of an audiance, and it will take alot more generations to reach the point where graphics are realistic to life (Where it ultimatley at best can end) , physics need great processors, Wii doesnt have this, oh wow u can balance a plate? GOOD FOR YOU! we gamers that like innovation will turn to Alan Wake/Crysis where natural disasters tare up everything around you.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?Screamteam411

All of a sudden the console itself is to blame for developers' games? The Wii has improved graphics. Gameplay and production values are up to devs.

[QUOTE="LINKloco"]Nintendo saved themselves.SambaLele

exactly. 

Many people keep saying this.  It doesn't make sense. 

Saved themselves from what?  They make money.  They are not saving themselves from going out of business as they were never in jeopardy.

Nintendo saved themselves.LINKloco

No body has saved anything ... the game industry is here to stay whether Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft stop existing ... game developers will always come up with new ways to create games ... games are the most important thing here ... not consoles. We can always go back to our old friend the PC...walter09

Which I'm doing at the moment because all the companies disgust me. Although Sony disgusts me the least out of them all at the moment. 

So many folks here have zero clue how the industry and game development really works.

Here it is in short, Nintendo took a chance on innovation and it paid off. As a side bonus, production costs for the platform are lower, MUCH lower than the compitition. Not all because it is "weaker",  it can do most of what the other next-gen systems can.

How does this help the rest of us? Maybe the other 2 companies in this race will work on making production costs lower as well as adding some innovative new ideas instead of trying to shove a system that costs as much as a PC but is sevearly outdated down our throats.

In the long run this means better games without runaway costs, and maybe something more than "but the NEW system can handle 4 times the amount of AI controlled characters on screen AND handle the shadows from 144 seperate light sources on all of them!"

Better graphics and physics does not make a better game, and programming matters far more to AI than system power. Any hardcore gamer knows this.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Saved the industry from what, exactly? Games with improved graphics, gameplay, and production values?Meu2k7

All of a sudden the console itself is to blame for developers' games? The Wii has improved graphics. Gameplay and production values are up to devs.

But Devs are limited by the hardware.

Let me explain with the great "Common Sense" Crystal ball, if Wii wins, graphics development/realistic play will have less of an audiance, and it will take alot more generations to reach the point where graphics are realistic to life (Where it ultimatley at best can end) , physics need great processors, Wii doesnt have this, oh wow u can balance a plate? GOOD FOR YOU! we gamers that like innovation will turn to Alan Wake/Crysis where natural disasters tare up everything around you.

That wasnt the case last gen and stop using its limited by hardware casuse this power houses now are not jack shyt differenttlt this gen besides shiner graphics so weres ur advance AI and shyt? yea thats so STFU..