Nintendo lashes back at Wii U power concerns

Nintendo, what the hell? Why are you satisfied knowing this gen games are playable on your new console? I am much more worried that NEXT-gen games won't be playable on your console. I'll still buy it and enjoy all the Nintendo games but cmon.

In all sincerity. Blah blah blah...

Yes it's about the experince not power. Yes you can make significant experiences with short power. That doesn't change the fact that this in some way hinders the developers creative freedom to create a product.

And really, we've heard all of this before from Nintendo. Some of it every single gen.

Yes the experience matters more, but what exactly did happen last gen? You bring a technology forward that only came into fruition by Nintendo because of Skyward Sword--Metroid Prime 3 being an exception. How long did that last?

Nintendo can backlash all they want, but if they want to make a sound argument for their case, give us the goods, don't talk about it--like they always do.

StealthSting

Agreed. I am sick of hearing it and I am waiting to be given a good reason to purchase a WiiU.

"First, it's not about power. If it was about power, then the GameCube would have been the number one system in its generation and the Wii wouldn't have been the number one system in this last generation. It is not about power. It is about fun, it is about the experience.

Reggie

"What I'll tell you is that with the Wii we did not have the benefit of multiplatform games from key publishers. I didn't have The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. I didn't have the best of the Call of Duty games. That's what I missed."

"Then we have to deliver on it. What will help us are games like Batman: Arkham City - Armored Edition, Assassin's Creed 3, Mass Effect 3 and Zombi U."Reggie

GameCube wasn't close to #1 because it launched a year later than the PS2, and it had a gimped-out storage format that didn't play DVDs and wasn't able to hold the necessary data for larger games.

Concerning fun, I guess it wasn't fun for Wii owners to miss out on Skyrim, Red Dead, GTA, Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, Crysis 2, Bioshock, Vanquish, and Fallout.

Getting those multiplat games right off the bat is a good sign though. Even if the power difference is on scale with the GC to Wii, the major difference here is that Nintendo is using a multi-core CPU, more than enough RAM, and most importantly a modern Radeon GPU with unified shader pipelines. The thing is a juiced-up 360, so any game on 360 would be a breeze to port over to the WiiU. Especially if Epic makes WiiU-specific modifications to UE3.

That means the WiiU will be fine for 2-3yrs, but will it be able to handle X3/PS4 multiplats, and will devs bother bringing them over?

Well its not like Nintendo cared about power anyways its always been about gameplay.

Why do people who own Sony and MS consoles, and are happy with the exclusives and multiplats on those systems even care what Nintendo does? Does their change in direction hurt your memories of the "golden days"?

The first point is iffy but I mostly agree with him on how other factors are more important for a game's experience than Graphics, although graphics still matter.

The other two points are correct.I can also agree with his other points, about how one defines hardcore and whatnot.

I also think that Nintendo's games are still great, quality titles. Super Mario galaxy 1 and 2 were both outstanding and the best 3D Marios to date, while the NSMB games were also very good. I liked the motion controls and Skyward Sword for the most part and found the game to be about as good as other past titles. Kirby Returns to Dreamland has been one of the best Kirby games released since Kirby 64, IMO. Donkey Kong Country was just as great as the SNES DK trilogy (albeit the controls kinda hold back the game from surpassing the SNEs trilogy). Metroid was admittedly weaker this gen on the Wii, but Metroid Prime 3 and Other M were both Solid, enjoyable games, and I actually really like Other M's controls; they were unique and worked in my experience. Brawl I'm a bit more mixed on, the casual play was definitely improved from Melee, although the competituve side of Brawl was definitely weaker than Melee's. Mario kart is still damn fun to this; I really enjoy Mario Kart 7. There may be some other examples I missing.

I was overall satisfied with the Wii, not just with the retail games but also the Virtual Console/WiiWare it provided. My least favorite Nintendo console is probably the N64, mostly due to it having a smaller library compared to my other Nintendo systems.

In all sincerity. Blah blah blah...

Yes it's about the experince not power. Yes you can make significant experiences with short power. That doesn't change the fact that this in some way hinders the developers creative freedom to create a product.

And really, we've heard all of this before from Nintendo. Some of it every single gen.

Yes the experience matters more, but what exactly did happen last gen? You bring a technology forward that only came into fruition by Nintendo because of Skyward Sword--Metroid Prime 3 being an exception. How long did that last?

Nintendo can backlash all they want, but if they want to make a sound argument for their case, give us the goods, don't talk about it--like they always do.

StealthSting

"Three comments," the combative Fils-Aime began. "First, it's not about power. If it was about power, then the GameCube would have been the number one system in its generation and the Wii wouldn't have been the number one system in this last generation. It is not about power. It is about fun, it is about the experience.

charizard1605

This old saw of theirs is getting old.

The closer your new hardware is to what people are already working with, the sooner you're going to hit the same wall that the 360 and the PS3 are hitting right now, where the new experiences enabled by that tech have no more room to grow and are just being retreaded ad nauseam. If you're interested in bringing more powerful hardware to market, then go all out. Otherwise the only reason you're moving forward at all is to keep the graphics looking good, which conflicts a little with their "Only fun matters!" narrative.

the damage ...

they're trying too hard to control it. They need to play off the critiscm and embrace the weak console stigma. Put more focus on their gimmick controller like they did this gen.

What did the GC have?? AND Im not hating..I have all the consoles and support them all..BUT GC sucked pretty much the whole gen.

VanDammFan

Yeah, the Gamecube was great. I never owned it, but I play Gamecube games all the time on my Wii. If I were to rank Nintendo's consoles, I would rank them:

1. SNES

2. Gamecube

3. NES

4. N64

5. Wii

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

What did the GC have?? AND Im not hating..I have all the consoles and support them all..BUT GC sucked pretty much the whole gen.

charizard1605

It had Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil (remake), Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, Star Wars Rogue Squadron III, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, F-Zero GX, Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, Kirby's Air Ride, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Wave Race, 1080, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance...

The Gamecube had an entire library of quality exclusives.

You tell 'em, Char. :)

Forgot to mention Tales of Symphonia though. :/

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

What did the GC have?? AND Im not hating..I have all the consoles and support them all..BUT GC sucked pretty much the whole gen.

charizard1605

It had Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil (remake), Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, Star Wars Rogue Squadron III, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, F-Zero GX, Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, Kirby's Air Ride, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Wave Race, 1080, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance...

The Gamecube had an entire library of quality exclusives.

Uh, char. Not all of those games are exclusives that gen.

Granted, neither is that list of XBOX games on VanDamm's post (not that he implied it, but still worth noting)...

Kotor (also on PC)

Splinter Cell (also on PC, GameCube, PS2)- Being "superior" doesn't make it exclusive

Battlefront series (also on PC and PS2)

Elder Scrolls Morrowind (also on PC)

Fable (also on PC)

...but still, your post implied that they were.

Besides, didn't you call Star Fox Adventures and Assault bad games? :?

Yeah, Nintendo, what you really need are ports of current-gen games likeBatman: Arkham City - Ass Edition, Ass Creed 3, Ass Effect 3.

Core gamer, who already played those titles, or will have done so by the time Wii U comes out, are so going to flock to the Wii U because they are also on that system with shoehorned in touchscreen gimmicks.

People still think the Wii-U is a marginally-upgraded 360? :lol:

They should produce 200 more Marios!.. Mariotendo

People still think the Wii-U is a marginally-upgraded 360? :lol:

ChubbyGuy40

Specs from Nintendo say only "Power-based CPU", "Radeon-based GPU". If it were anything decent they would come out and say it.

I remember a year ago when tons of sheep were bleeting about how it has a quad-core Watson super-computer CPU and a 4890 GPU.

I'm just hoping it's at least 50% more powerful on the GPU side.

i don't care about the power since N has never needed power to do what they do.

i care that i'm not into handhelds and tablets and the wiiu takes two shytty things i don't like and combines them.

If its all about fun and nothing to do with power then why are they releasing a new console?

If it's not about power why make a new console at all Reggie? Oh Cuz ur full of it.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Fine, I agree. It's not just about the power, it's about the games. However, the Wii failed to deliver on its promise about the games. No one wpuld have minded the Wii being underpowered if it had delivered on the goods as far as games were concerned, but with pitiable third party support, and even Nintendo's own offerings weaker than usual, the Wii failed to justify its existence.

Shirokishi_

Hah! "Its about the games", yet wii missed every excellent 3rd party title (or got the worst version of them).

Hardware is important - unless nintendo wants to gather to "casuals", and make profit with underpowered hardware like with wii.

You tell 'em, Char. :)

Forgot to mention Tales of Symphonia though. :/

Tikeio

Uh, char. Not all of those games are exclusives that gen.

Granted, neither is that list of XBOX games on VanDamm's post (not that he implied it, but still worth noting)...

Kotor (also on PC)

Splinter Cell (also on PC, GameCube, PS2)- Being "superior" doesn't make it exclusive

Battlefront series (also on PC and PS2)

Elder Scrolls Morrowind (also on PC)

Fable (also on PC)

...but still, your post implied that they were.

Besides, didn't you call Star Fox Adventures and Assault bad games? :?

nintendoboy16

It is about getting zero games, a downgraded casual Zelda and garbage graphics that remind PS1

Nintendo must be kidding

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

What did the GC have?? AND Im not hating..I have all the consoles and support them all..BUT GC sucked pretty much the whole gen.

nintendoboy16

It had Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil (remake), Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, Star Wars Rogue Squadron III, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, F-Zero GX, Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, Kirby's Air Ride, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Wave Race, 1080, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance...

The Gamecube had an entire library of quality exclusives.

Uh, char. Not all of those games are exclusives that gen.

Granted, neither is that list of XBOX games on VanDamm's post (not that he implied it, but still worth noting)...

Kotor (also on PC)

Splinter Cell (also on PC, GameCube, PS2)- Being "superior" doesn't make it exclusive

Battlefront series (also on PC and PS2)

Elder Scrolls Morrowind (also on PC)

Fable (also on PC)

...but still, your post implied that they were.

Besides, didn't you call Star Fox Adventures and Assault bad games? :?

I could be wrong but didnt most of those games come out for xbox first? then ported later?? its been a while so I dont remember..Still, we have to give props to Xbox last gen. It came in the underdog and ended up winning over millions of people.

If its all about fun and nothing to do with power then why are they releasing a new console?

topgunmv

Because 360 and ps3 are selling better (software wise too), they noticed how important 3rd party titles and online service are. We shall see if nintendo console gets left behind again.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

What did the GC have?? AND Im not hating..I have all the consoles and support them all..BUT GC sucked pretty much the whole gen.

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Glad you asked. It had Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil (remake), Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, Star Wars Rogue Squadron III, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, F-Zero GX, Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, Kirby's Air Ride, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Wave Race, 1080, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance... The Gamecube had an entire library of quality exclusives. charizard1605

Obviously when it comes to third party support it got screwed over compared to the GC becasue of the huge power difference

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Okay, let's go about this a different way. Would you agree the Wii had the worst lineup for any Nintendo console ever?ShuichiChamp24

N64 > Gamecube > SNES > NES = Wii

Honestly its kinda hard to rate N64, SNES, and Gamecube. They all have awesome games. Wii is easily my least favorite, though the NES is so old and basic that it hinders most of its games (Metroid and Zelda lose the sense of exploration and such because its so repetitive and confusing).

You ever notice how both Nintendo and its fans have this general smuggness, like they hate the 360/PS3's games and what they are doing, and have this general attitude like the HD twins are "killing" gaming and Nintendo is saving the day.........

When it seems like Nintendo is doing everything in their power to become an Xbox 360.:|

You notice how much sheep hate on the current state of gaming on the HD twins? "Rofl, all shoooters". What do you think you are going to be getting on the Wii U? :?Those exact same games you hate so much. While Sony and Microsoft have learned from this gen and are moving on, Nintendo is moving TO what Sony/MS are moving away from.

Nintendo is walking into the party that Sony/MS are currently LEAVING, to nothing but empty liquor bottles, spilled beer, puke, and ciggarette ashes.

Well going by that list you posted earlier it didn't really seem all that much worse.

Obviously when it comes to third party support it got screwed over compared to the GC becasue of the huge power difference

Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Glad you asked.

It had Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil (remake), Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, Star Wars Rogue Squadron III, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, F-Zero GX, Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, Kirby's Air Ride, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Wave Race, 1080, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance...

The Gamecube had an entire library of quality exclusives. VanDammFan

Uh, char. Not all of those games are exclusives that gen.

Granted, neither is that list of XBOX games on VanDamm's post (not that he implied it, but still worth noting)...

Kotor (also on PC)

Splinter Cell (also on PC, GameCube, PS2)- Being "superior" doesn't make it exclusive

Battlefront series (also on PC and PS2)

Elder Scrolls Morrowind (also on PC)

Fable (also on PC)

...but still, your post implied that they were.

Besides, didn't you call Star Fox Adventures and Assault bad games? :?

I could be wrong but didnt most of those games come out for xbox first? then ported later?? its been a while so I dont remember..Still, we have to give props to Xbox last gen. It came in the underdog and ended up winning over millions of people.

You ever notice how both Nintendo and its fans have this general smuggness, like they hate the 360/PS3's games and what they are doing, and have this general attitude like the HD twins are "killing" gaming and Nintendo is saving the day.........

When it seems like Nintendo is doing everything in their power to become an Xbox 360.:|

You notice how much sheep hate on the current state of gaming on the HD twins? "Rofl, all shoooters". What do you think you are going to be getting on the Wii U? :?Those exact same games you hate so much.

StrongDeadlift

N64 > Gamecube > SNES > NES = Wii

Honestly its kinda hard to rate N64, SNES, and Gamecube. They all have awesome games. Wii is easily my least favorite, though the NES is so old and basic that it hinders most of its games (Metroid and Zelda lose the sense of exploration and such because its so repetitive and confusing).

NaveedLife

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

Well going by that list you posted earlier it didn't really seem all that much worse.

Obviously when it comes to third party support it got screwed over compared to the GC becasue of the huge power difference

charizard1605

Those aren't exactly fan favorites (although the city trial in Air ride was kind of fun)

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

Well going by that list you posted earlier it didn't really seem all that much worse.

Obviously when it comes to third party support it got screwed over compared to the GC becasue of the huge power difference

Shinobishyguy

Nintendo is one their knees begging gamers to give them another chance. They know its all over, they screwed gamers over with Wii and now no one wants any part of Wii U. They're trying desperately to convince people that the Wii U wont be like the Wii, but we all know the truth. It wont work, people realize that there's nothing to Nintendo anymore and never will be. It was fun while it lasted, RIP Nintendo.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Even if we both agree, if only for a moment, that the first party output on both the systems is on par- something that is entirely subjective, by the way, and something that I definitely do not subscribe to, but let's assume for the purposes of this discussion that I do- even then, superior third party support on the Gamecube makes its library better all round than the Wii's. The only way the Wii would even win would be if we included the entirety of Virtual Console and Gamecube support under its 'library,' and well, relying on Gamecube games to make the Wii's library seem better than the Gamecube doesn't help anyone's case much.charizard1605

Nintendo is one their knees begging gamers to give them another chance. They know its all over, they screwed gamers over with Wii and now no one wants any part of Wii U. They're trying desperately to convince people that the Wii U wont be like the Wii, but we all know the truth. It wont work, people realize that there's nothing to Nintendo anymore and never will be. It was fun while it lasted, RIP Nintendo.

StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Look I'm not gonna deny that the wii was probably the weakest out of the nintendo systems library wise, but it seemed like you were scraping the barrel by lncluding starfox and kirby spinoffs :?Shinobishyguy

Nintendo is one their knees begging gamers to give them another chance. They know its all over, they screwed gamers over with Wii and now no one wants any part of Wii U. They're trying desperately to convince people that the Wii U wont be like the Wii, but we all know the truth. It wont work, people realize that there's nothing to Nintendo anymore and never will be. It was fun while it lasted, RIP Nintendo.

StealthMonkey4

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

Nintendo is one their knees begging gamers to give them another chance. They know its all over, they screwed gamers over with Wii and now no one wants any part of Wii U. They're trying desperately to convince people that the Wii U wont be like the Wii, but we all know the truth. It wont work, people realize that there's nothing to Nintendo anymore and never will be. It was fun while it lasted, RIP Nintendo.

Shinobishyguy

I don't recall. In any case, if the 3DS didn't end Nintendo, the failure that is WiiU surely will.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]
Glad you asked.
It had Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil (remake), Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, Star Wars Rogue Squadron III, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, F-Zero GX, Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, Kirby's Air Ride, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Wave Race, 1080, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance...

The Gamecube had an entire library of quality exclusives. charizard1605

Were's sonic colours?

Nintendo is one their knees begging gamers to give them another chance. They know its all over, they screwed gamers over with Wii and now no one wants any part of Wii U. They're trying desperately to convince people that the Wii U wont be like the Wii, but we all know the truth. It wont work, people realize that there's nothing to Nintendo anymore and never will be. It was fun while it lasted, RIP Nintendo.

StealthMonkey4

I love when people make prematue predictions.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]yes, I'm sure Kirby's airride and starfox assault are known as the highpoints of their respected series. :|

Y'know I'll never know why the wii's library get's constantly shat on when it isn't even that much worse than those games listedsuper600

Were's sonic colours?

"Three comments," the combative Fils-Aime began. "First, it's not about power. If it was about power, then the GameCube would have been the number one system in its generation..."

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