Nintendo lashes back at Wii U power concerns

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]
Glad you asked.
It had Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil (remake), Viewtiful Joe, Killer7, Resident Evil 4, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Star Wars Rogue Squadron II, Star Wars Rogue Squadron III, Super Mario Sunshine, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Mario Kart Double Dash, F-Zero GX, Star Fox Adventures, Star Fox Assault, Kirby's Air Ride, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Wave Race, 1080, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance...

The Gamecube had an entire library of quality exclusives. charizard1605

What are you trying to prove? The difference between the Wii and GC 1st party quality is so minute that whatever list you post looks like a joke. I literally thought you were joking when you posted the Wii 1st party and compared it to the GCs: they're both super high quality. You're comparing two stellar first party lineups on two systems and you think you can find a clear cut winner? Hell, the proof is in this thread that the Gamecube isn't a clear cut winner like you portray, half the thread says the Wii was better. I will agree with you that the GC definitely had more 3rd party, but you don't help the Wii's case when you list literally FOUR 3rd party titles when there are much more. GC was more varied in their 1st party? lolwut. Wii had the better 3D Mario, a 2D Mario, (arguably) the better Zelda, the better DK, the better Kirbys, better Warios, TWO different Metroid games plus the Trilogy, revival of Punch Out and Sin & Punishment. Honestly, the only clearcut winner is in the 3rd party, but even then it can be argued since the GC shared games with the other 2 while the Wii had unique, niche 3rd paries (most of which you failed to list.) But to list those 2 GC and Wii 1st party lineups and think that the gap is that wide between them?.. please, speak for yourself.

Edit: and don't even get me started on the GC vs. Wii debate

They admited their hardware is garbage

They admited their hardware is garbage

loosingENDS

He's constantly defending the Wii, 3DS, and WiiU.

StealthMonkey4

He hates the Wii and Wii-U. If you're gonna call someone out on something, at least attempt to do a little background check.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

He's constantly defending the Wii, 3DS, and WiiU.

ChubbyGuy40

He hates the Wii and Wii-U. If you're gonna call someone out on something, at least attempt to do a little background check.

It seems every thread in which I say something negative about the Wii, he's always right there defending it. I don't know the opinions of everyone on Gamespot, but he lways seemed to be defending it.

[QUOTE="StealthMonkey4"]

He's constantly defending the Wii, 3DS, and WiiU.

ChubbyGuy40

He hates the Wii and Wii-U. If you're gonna call someone out on something, at least attempt to do a little background check.

He doesn't hate the Wii, he said this himself, straight from his blog "I would like to conclude by saying that the Wii was an unexpected success- nobody saw it coming". Idk what his gripe with Nintendo is all of a sudden.

Oh and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Wii is the greatest console of all time.. I just hate when people claim it to be Nintendo's worst outing hands down, when it's really not that black and white at all

Just look at the Specs of the Wii:U... If there is any...

Does'nt take a genius to realise its utter cr@p compared to today's standards.

Stuff should maximise Crysis with ease now.
If 6 year old consoles can do it, imagine a modern Microsoft and Sony console that will produce, for the gamers, and not the casuals or the kids etc.

I think this is damage control. When the developers have gotten to know the system at best they'll get what? 15 percent extra performance if that.

The PS3 is complicated, so you could argue it needed time to be able to get performance and for developers to get to know it. But the Wii U will likely be similar to the 360 in terms of it's layout. 3-4 core IBM CPU, an AMD GPU not a million miles off the 360s in design, likely unified ram. Just how long will it take developers to get to know it.

I think it'll be a comfortable transition for any 360 developer.

lol ... nintendo.

pretty much synominous with "toys" in 2012. Inb4 360 and PS3 are toys too.

lol ... nintendo.

pretty much synominous with "toys" in 2012. Inb4 360 and PS3 are toys too.

rasengan2552

Don't forget that the 3rd parties helped to develope the Wii U.

Don't forget that the 3rd parties helped to develope the Wii U.

GameboyTroy

[QUOTE="GameboyTroy"]

Don't forget that the 3rd parties helped to develope the Wii U.

charizard1605

Trust Nintendo fans to have an argument over which of their beloved console's libraries stank more. :lol::lol:

Wow Ninty has been doing some damage control since E3, haven't they? :lol:

I really worry for them this time around. I just don't think the Wii U has the same casual appeal the Wii did and the line-up they showed at E3 isn't going to wow the hardcore crowd (besides Pikmin which looks awesome of course :P).

With how good they are at making great hand-helds I have to ask why they seem to have lost their way when it comes to home consoles. The Gamecube was a bit of a let-down after the N64 but looking back it was far from awful. The Wii however is the worst console I have experienced and now the Wii-U is looking to be quite disappointing. I almost feel like Nintendo is rushing it out the door just to be "first"...

Yup the damage control has been strong from Nintendo since E3 and it all began with Reggie's meltdown on Spike.

Had two chances to show off the WiiU and they did a horrible job. Lets see if MS and Sony have learned what not to do when they unveil their new consoles.

Yup the damage control has been strong from Nintendo since E3 and it all began with Reggie's meltdown on Spike.

Had two chances to show off the WiiU and they did a horrible job. Lets see if MS and Sony have learned what not to do when they unveil their new consoles.

Kingpin0114

Yeah I can't wait to see MS and Sony unveil their new consoles. See what both companies have learned this gen.

Sony really let me down this gen. After absolutely LOVING the PS1 and PS2 I ended up NOT getting a PS3 and instead went with a 360. Considering the PS1 and PS2 are my fav consoles of all time, I really would love to see the PS4 go back to that greatness.

At the same time I worry to see where Microsoft might be heading. Their emphasis on Kinect as of late is concerning as they really haven't been making good use at all of that technology....

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

Yup the damage control has been strong from Nintendo since E3 and it all began with Reggie's meltdown on Spike.

Had two chances to show off the WiiU and they did a horrible job. Lets see if MS and Sony have learned what not to do when they unveil their new consoles.

LostProphetFLCL

Yeah I can't wait to see MS and Sony unveil their new consoles. See what both companies have learned this gen.

Sony really let me down this gen. After absolutely LOVING the PS1 and PS2 I ended up NOT getting a PS3 and instead went with a 360. Considering the PS1 and PS2 are my fav consoles of all time, I really would love to see the PS4 go back to that greatness.

At the same time I worry to see where Microsoft might be heading. Their emphasis on Kinect as of late is concerning as they really haven't been making good use at all of that technology....

My interest in the nextbox is extremely low since MS is in love with Casuals now. Their console will probably be the strongest next gen and luckily for them, 3rd parties love them now.

I have no idea what Sony is going to do.

for nintendo

gimmicks> graphics

[QUOTE="LostProphetFLCL"]

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

Yup the damage control has been strong from Nintendo since E3 and it all began with Reggie's meltdown on Spike.

Had two chances to show off the WiiU and they did a horrible job. Lets see if MS and Sony have learned what not to do when they unveil their new consoles.

Kingpin0114

Yeah I can't wait to see MS and Sony unveil their new consoles. See what both companies have learned this gen.

Sony really let me down this gen. After absolutely LOVING the PS1 and PS2 I ended up NOT getting a PS3 and instead went with a 360. Considering the PS1 and PS2 are my fav consoles of all time, I really would love to see the PS4 go back to that greatness.

At the same time I worry to see where Microsoft might be heading. Their emphasis on Kinect as of late is concerning as they really haven't been making good use at all of that technology....

My interest in the nextbox is extremely low since MS is in love with Casuals now. Their console will probably be the strongest next gen and luckily for them, 3rd parties love them now.

I have no idea what Sony is going to do.

IDK, I really hope MS doesn't go with a casual focus next gen. I am hoping they learn their lesson before then....

As for Sony, I am curious to see what they do this time around. It does sound like they learned their lesson with the PS3. Not sure why they felt the need to go so crazy with the power of the system when the PS2 had been the weakest console yet had so easily dominated it's generation...

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

lol ... nintendo.

pretty much synominous with "toys" in 2012. Inb4 360 and PS3 are toys too.

charizard1605

so are pcs and cellphones and pretty much any other form of entertainment devices..

Nintendo certainly dropped the ball on the WiiU in terms of power imo. I really don't think they learned their lesson. If they want third parties to get involved they clearly need to have a certain feature list be at bear minimum and that includes the power of your console being a notable step up from the generation before. That doesn't mean it has to be 720/PS4 level but it needs to be in a realm above what the other systems can do. I don't give a crap about graphics personally, when I decided I wanted a wii and it would be my main system that was made obvious. However with the WiiU nintendo doesn't have an idea of what they are doing and I'm sure Reggie is frustrated he has no say in terms of what NoJ is doing. Considering NA is Nintendo's strongest region, that's a huge flaw.

Nintendo certainly dropped the ball on the WiiU in terms of power imo. I really don't think they learned their lesson. If they want third parties to get involved they clearly need to have a certain feature list be at bear minimum and that includes the power of your console being a notable step up from the generation before. That doesn't mean it has to be 720/PS4 level but it needs to be in a realm above what the other systems can do. I don't give a crap about graphics personally, when I decided I wanted a wii and it would be my main system that was made obvious. However with the WiiU nintendo doesn't have an idea of what they are doing and I'm sure Reggie is frustrated he has no say in terms of what NoJ is doing. Considering NA is Nintendo's strongest region, that's a huge flaw.

ActicEdge

my feelings are...NINTENDO should do what nintendo wants to do...I think they should really concentrate on making their own games for their own consoles and not worry with other developers. Put out mario,zelda,dk,metroid,yoshi,ect 100x over and over and get $$$ off that. Its what NIN is...its THOSE games...most people dont buy a NIN to play COD or other type games...they buy them for their exclusive characters..this however is just my opinon the matter..

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Nintendo certainly dropped the ball on the WiiU in terms of power imo. I really don't think they learned their lesson. If they want third parties to get involved they clearly need to have a certain feature list be at bear minimum and that includes the power of your console being a notable step up from the generation before. That doesn't mean it has to be 720/PS4 level but it needs to be in a realm above what the other systems can do. I don't give a crap about graphics personally, when I decided I wanted a wii and it would be my main system that was made obvious. However with the WiiU nintendo doesn't have an idea of what they are doing and I'm sure Reggie is frustrated he has no say in terms of what NoJ is doing. Considering NA is Nintendo's strongest region, that's a huge flaw.

VanDammFan

my feelings are...NINTENDO should do what nintendo wants to do...I think they should really concentrate on making their own games for their own consoles and not worry with other developers. Put out mario,zelda,dk,metroid,yoshi,ect 100x over and over and get $$$ off that. Its what NIN is...its THOSE games...most people dont buy a NIN to play COD or other type games...they buy them for their exclusive characters..this however is just my opinon the matter..

You're feelings are irrelevant, if Nintendo wants to win in the fashion they did this generation they need to listen to third parties because they are not going to get exclusives this upcoming generation like the Wii did with the rise of other gaming portals popularity. Nintendo will make money, they aren't going to dominate shiit this upcoming gen however. Look at the N64 and the gamecube in relation o how many people will buy a nintendo system just for nintendo games. . . .

[QUOTE="campzor"] [QUOTE="crippled_ram"]I just don't get it, Nintendo does so well with its handhelds... why can't it ever replicate that same success in the console market?crippled_ram

campzor is right it is the implication, and im always hearing "from a game perspective" term here. how do you generate success from games, wouldn tit be from sales. granted we are gamers and we want games but sales is what make us have these games

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Nintendo certainly dropped the ball on the WiiU in terms of power imo. I really don't think they learned their lesson. If they want third parties to get involved they clearly need to have a certain feature list be at bear minimum and that includes the power of your console being a notable step up from the generation before. That doesn't mean it has to be 720/PS4 level but it needs to be in a realm above what the other systems can do. I don't give a crap about graphics personally, when I decided I wanted a wii and it would be my main system that was made obvious. However with the WiiU nintendo doesn't have an idea of what they are doing and I'm sure Reggie is frustrated he has no say in terms of what NoJ is doing. Considering NA is Nintendo's strongest region, that's a huge flaw.

ActicEdge

my feelings are...NINTENDO should do what nintendo wants to do...I think they should really concentrate on making their own games for their own consoles and not worry with other developers. Put out mario,zelda,dk,metroid,yoshi,ect 100x over and over and get $$$ off that. Its what NIN is...its THOSE games...most people dont buy a NIN to play COD or other type games...they buy them for their exclusive characters..this however is just my opinon the matter..

You're feelings are irrelevant, if Nintendo wants to win in the fashion they did this generation they need to listen to third parties because they are not going to get exclusives this upcoming generation like the Wii did with the rise of other gaming portals popularity. Nintendo will make money, they aren't going to dominate shiit this upcoming gen however. Look at the N64 and the gamecube in relation o how many people will buy a nintendo system just for nintendo games. . . .

People all over this forum are complaining about a system that's not even out yet, but I can guarantee you when it comes out, almost all of these people will be in line to get one.

The only problem with the Wii was that it misses out on 95% of the best multiplats from this generation. An underpowered Wii U means it is getting set up to miss all the best multiplats on the PS4/720 next gen.CajunShooter

how do we know ps4 and 720 is going to be that much stronger? its going t be stonger but i really think it won be by much

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

my feelings are...NINTENDO should do what nintendo wants to do...I think they should really concentrate on making their own games for their own consoles and not worry with other developers. Put out mario,zelda,dk,metroid,yoshi,ect 100x over and over and get $$$ off that. Its what NIN is...its THOSE games...most people dont buy a NIN to play COD or other type games...they buy them for their exclusive characters..this however is just my opinon the matter..

Bigboi500

You're feelings are irrelevant, if Nintendo wants to win in the fashion they did this generation they need to listen to third parties because they are not going to get exclusives this upcoming generation like the Wii did with the rise of other gaming portals popularity. Nintendo will make money, they aren't going to dominate shiit this upcoming gen however. Look at the N64 and the gamecube in relation o how many people will buy a nintendo system just for nintendo games. . . .

People all over this forum are complaining about a system that's not even out yet, but I can guarantee you when it comes out, almost all of these people will be in line to get one.

Well the problem is Nintendo made more money in generation 6 off gaming then Sony did, they always make money but yet that gen Nintedno was considered dead to gaming were they not? In regards to third parties, I expect t will play out sort of like the Wii except worse but no one knows. Of course this is a forum, why not have a discussion about the upcoming, is speculation no allowed now because it might be incorrect :|

I am buying a WiiU, for me personally I know I'll find enough to gather my interest but so what? This isn't about making money for the big 3. Its about dominating the generation or facing losing extreme relevancy to gaming. I play games I like, as I said, I don't give a shiit about power, still doesn't change that its a major roll in gaming today.

how do we know ps4 and 720 is going to be that much stronger? its going t be stonger but i really think it won be by muchMario1331

How come? The N64 was far behind the PSX in every single area of technical capability and the GameCube was left in the dust by the Xbox? This generation has been an absolute mess for Nintendo in the hardware arena and the support of third-parties has suffered because of it. The only reason that Nintendo survived is because they caught the casual market early, an unstable market. Why will next generation be any different when both Sony and Microsoft are getting much longer research and development cycles, which by all indicators are going to be up to two years.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]how do we know ps4 and 720 is going to be that much stronger? its going t be stonger but i really think it won be by muchBobzfamily

How come? The N64 was far behind the PSX in every single area of technical capability and the GameCube was left in the dust by the Xbox? This generation has been an absolute mess for Nintendo in the hardware arena and the support of third-parties has suffered because of it. The only reason that Nintendo survived is because they caught the casual market early, an unstable market. Why will next generation be any different when both Sony and Microsoft are getting much longer research and development cycles, which by all indicators are going to be up to two years.

Are you shiiting us? The N64 was a crap ton stronger then the PSX. A crap ton, the N64 was crippled in game size due to cartridges but in specs? :lol:

The difference between the Gamecube and the Xbox was not very big. The Xbox was superior but left in the dust?:lol: Resident Evil 4, Rogue Squadren, Twilight Princess, Star Fox, Crystal Chronicles were easily comparable to any Xbox game. Now someone bust out the over resed bs shots of SC: CT, Conker and Doom 3.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]how do we know ps4 and 720 is going to be that much stronger? its going t be stonger but i really think it won be by muchBobzfamily

How come? The N64 was far behind the PSX in every single area of technical capability and the GameCube was left in the dust by the Xbox? This generation has been an absolute mess for Nintendo in the hardware arena and the support of third-parties has suffered because of it. The only reason that Nintendo survived is because they caught the casual market early, an unstable market. Why will next generation be any different when both Sony and Microsoft are getting much longer research and development cycles, which by all indicators are going to be up to two years.

i just dont see it, sony is not financailly in that lane to attempt another ps3, and MS is loving the casual attention.

SW is going to be honed to a rude awakening soon because gaming is transitioning its not about the core anymore its about everybody.

P.S i dont get why people care what nitnendo is doing, if you dont like it dont buy there systems bashing it every hour of the day is getting annoying. continue to buy MS and Sony products....its not that serious

The Wii failed to deliver on its promise about the games. No one wpuld have minded the Wii being underpowered if it had delivered on the goods as far as games were concerned, but with pitiable third party support, and even Nintendo's own offerings weaker than usual, the Wii failed to justify its existence.

charizard1605

lol, wut? Nintendo's games this gen were way better than the GC's. And while big third party multi-plats didn't make it to the console (because of the power thing), some really amazing exclusive games did.

Are you shiiting us? The N64 was a crap ton stronger then the PSX. A crap ton, the N64 was crippled in game size due to cartridges but in specs? :lol:

The difference between the Gamecube and the Xbox was not very big. The Xbox was superior but left in the dust?:lol: Resident Evil 4, Rogue Squadren, Twilight Princess, Star Fox, Crystal Chronicles were easily comparable to any Xbox game. Now someone bust out the over resed bs shots of SC: CT, Conker and Doom 3.

ActicEdge

But system power means nothing if you're using an impotent medium like the cartridges. Most N64 titles lacked the capability of pre-rendered texturing, Conker's Bad Fur Day is an often brough up example of a decent looking N64 game of the time but that's a statistical outlier rather than a mean.

Left in the dust was the wrong choice of words of words but it doesn't change the uncompetitive GPU and slower processing speed. I'm wanting to know why people are so insistent that the Wii U is going to be some messianic step towards graphical superiority for Nintendo? We haven't seen it able to compete in the last three generations, with a smaller development cycle I want to know why people think that now is the time.

P.S i dont get why people care what nitnendo is doing, if you dont like it dont buy there systems bashing it every hour of the day is getting annoying. continue to buy MS and Sony products....its not that seriousMario1331

I'm not meaning any disrespect to the company. I've loved Nintendo for years and their consoles were my primary system until this one when third-party support completely dried up. I don't gain any self-gratification from attacking any particular brand on a message board.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]P.S i dont get why people care what nitnendo is doing, if you dont like it dont buy there systems bashing it every hour of the day is getting annoying. continue to buy MS and Sony products....its not that seriousBobzfamily

I'm not meaning any disrespect to the company. I've loved Nintendo for years and their consoles were my primary system until this one when third-party support completely dried up. I don't gain any self-gratification from attacking any particular brand on a message board.

this part wasnt directed to you lol

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]Are you shiiting us? The N64 was a crap ton stronger then the PSX. A crap ton, the N64 was crippled in game size due to cartridges but in specs? :lol:

The difference between the Gamecube and the Xbox was not very big. The Xbox was superior but left in the dust?:lol: Resident Evil 4, Rogue Squadren, Twilight Princess, Star Fox, Crystal Chronicles were easily comparable to any Xbox game. Now someone bust out the over resed bs shots of SC: CT, Conker and Doom 3.

Bobzfamily

But system power means nothing if you're using an impotent medium like the cartridges. Most N64 titles lacked the capability of pre-rendered texturing, Conker's Bad Fur Day is an often brough up example of a decent looking N64 game of the time but that's a statistical outlier rather than a mean.

Left in the dust was the wrong choice of words of words but it doesn't change the uncompetitive GPU and slower processing speed. I'm wanting to know why people are so insistent that the Wii U is going to be some messianic step towards graphical superiority for Nintendo? We haven't seen it able to compete in the last three generations, with a smaller development cycle I want to know why people think that now is the time.

Are you kidding me? The average N64 games were better looking than the average PS1 games. Even then, the N64 was blatantly able to complete with PS1 graphically and in game complexity. Its not even up for debate.

Now the gamecube vs Xbox (the fact that you are ignoring the major competitor that gen the PS2 is already telling) is the same thing as the PS1/N64 if not even with a smaller gap.The GPU and CPU in the Cube were absolutely competitive with what was on the Xbox. It was not the strongest butit had games that were more than comparable and in some cases arguably better (like RE4) than the Xbox. Its not up for debate. The idea that for 3 gens nintendo didn't compete graphically instead of 1 is hogwash. Its utterly wrong plain and simple.

The WiiU is not going to be graphically capable vs the next MS and Sony systems. That's fact. That said, you're in delusion if you think the N64 and the fuccking Gamecube were not graphically competitive,

Are you kidding me? The average N64 games were better looking than the average PS1 games. Even then, the N64 was blatantly able to complete with PS1 graphically and in game complexity. Its not even up for debate.

Now the gamecube vs Xbox (the fact that you are ignoring the major competitor that gen the PS2 is already telling) is the same thing as the PS1/N64 if not even with a smaller gap.The GPU and CPU in the Cube were absolutely competitive with what was on the Xbox. It was not the strongest butit had games that were more than comparable and in some cases arguably better (like RE4) than the Xbox. Its not up for debate. The idea that for 3 gens nintendo didn't compete graphically instead of 1 is hogwash. Its utterly wrong plain and simple.

The WiiU is not going to be graphically capable vs the next MS and Sony systems. That's fact. That said, you're in delusion if you think the N64 and the fuccking Gamecube were not graphically competitive,

ActicEdge

I don't find your first part true. When I compare PSX graphics with those on the N64 what immediately stands out are the reduced texture levels. Poor texture storage just make most N64 games look blurry to me, like they were coloured in with pastels.

The GPU, storage, and memory speed were outclassed by the Xbox. The CPU was outmatched by the PS2. I just have a hard time seeing where the Gamecube had any graphical superiority over the other two consoles.

We can each thrown out counter-examples all day. At the end of the day, in my experience Nintendo has had the least graphically capable games of the last 3 generations. I want those claiming that the WiiU is going to blow everyone else out of the water to tell me why they believe so (I have seen posters out there).

Fine, I agree. It's not just about the power, it's about the games. However, the Wii failed to deliver on its promise about the games. No one wpuld have minded the Wii being underpowered if it had delivered on the goods as far as games were concerned, but with pitiable third party support, and even Nintendo's own offerings weaker than usual, the Wii failed to justify its existence.

If with the Wii U, the output of games matches at least the N64 and Gamecube, and at best the HD twins (not happening), or Nintendo's very own handhelds, then yes, Fils-Aime and Nintendo will be vindicated, and the Wii U's power will not have been an issue at all. However, we will have to wait and see if this really happens.

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charizard1605

720p for 2012 multiplatform games indicates Radeon HD 4650 (320 stream processors, 8 ROP) level GPU. It's definitely not Radeon HD 4770/4850 level GPUs.

PS; Xbox 360's Xenos GPU is like Radeon HD with 240 stream processors with 8 ROPs.

I just don't get it, Nintendo does so well with its handhelds... why can't it ever replicate that same success in the console market?crippled_ram

They trying, thats why they made the controller look like a stand alone handheld device...

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Are you kidding me? The average N64 games were better looking than the average PS1 games. Even then, the N64 was blatantly able to complete with PS1 graphically and in game complexity. Its not even up for debate.

Now the gamecube vs Xbox (the fact that you are ignoring the major competitor that gen the PS2 is already telling) is the same thing as the PS1/N64 if not even with a smaller gap.The GPU and CPU in the Cube were absolutely competitive with what was on the Xbox. It was not the strongest butit had games that were more than comparable and in some cases arguably better (like RE4) than the Xbox. Its not up for debate. The idea that for 3 gens nintendo didn't compete graphically instead of 1 is hogwash. Its utterly wrong plain and simple.

The WiiU is not going to be graphically capable vs the next MS and Sony systems. That's fact. That said, you're in delusion if you think the N64 and the fuccking Gamecube were not graphically competitive,

Bobzfamily

I don't find your first part true. When I compare PSX graphics with those on the N64 what immediately stands out are the reduced texture levels. Poor texture storage just make most N64 games look blurry to me, like they were coloured in with pastels.

The GPU, storage, and memory speed were outclassed by the Xbox. The CPU was outmatched by the PS2. I just have a hard time seeing where the Gamecube had any graphical superiority over the other two consoles.

The PS2 GPU was weak and the hardware for the PS2 was difficult to program for.

[QUOTE="Bobzfamily"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Are you kidding me? The average N64 games were better looking than the average PS1 games. Even then, the N64 was blatantly able to complete with PS1 graphically and in game complexity. Its not even up for debate.

Now the gamecube vs Xbox (the fact that you are ignoring the major competitor that gen the PS2 is already telling) is the same thing as the PS1/N64 if not even with a smaller gap.The GPU and CPU in the Cube were absolutely competitive with what was on the Xbox. It was not the strongest butit had games that were more than comparable and in some cases arguably better (like RE4) than the Xbox. Its not up for debate. The idea that for 3 gens nintendo didn't compete graphically instead of 1 is hogwash. Its utterly wrong plain and simple.

The WiiU is not going to be graphically capable vs the next MS and Sony systems. That's fact. That said, you're in delusion if you think the N64 and the fuccking Gamecube were not graphically competitive,

super600

I don't find your first part true. When I compare PSX graphics with those on the N64 what immediately stands out are the reduced texture levels. Poor texture storage just make most N64 games look blurry to me, like they were coloured in with pastels.

The GPU, storage, and memory speed were outclassed by the Xbox. The CPU was outmatched by the PS2. I just have a hard time seeing where the Gamecube had any graphical superiority over the other two consoles.

The PS2 GPU was weak and the hardware for the PS2 was difficult to program for.

it was proven time and time again on tv "techtv" and in magazines that the pecking order in power was as such..

1xbox

2gamecube

3ps2

you can also tell by looking at the games..PLUS the specs are on the boxes..

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Are you kidding me? The average N64 games were better looking than the average PS1 games. Even then, the N64 was blatantly able to complete with PS1 graphically and in game complexity. Its not even up for debate.

Now the gamecube vs Xbox (the fact that you are ignoring the major competitor that gen the PS2 is already telling) is the same thing as the PS1/N64 if not even with a smaller gap.The GPU and CPU in the Cube were absolutely competitive with what was on the Xbox. It was not the strongest butit had games that were more than comparable and in some cases arguably better (like RE4) than the Xbox. Its not up for debate. The idea that for 3 gens nintendo didn't compete graphically instead of 1 is hogwash. Its utterly wrong plain and simple.

The WiiU is not going to be graphically capable vs the next MS and Sony systems. That's fact. That said, you're in delusion if you think the N64 and the fuccking Gamecube were not graphically competitive,

Bobzfamily

I don't find your first part true. When I compare PSX graphics with those on the N64 what immediately stands out are the reduced texture levels. Poor texture storage just make most N64 games look blurry to me, like they were coloured in with pastels.

The GPU, storage, and memory speed were outclassed by the Xbox. The CPU was outmatched by the PS2. I just have a hard time seeing where the Gamecube had any graphical superiority over the other two consoles.

Are you sitting here trying to tell me that the PS2 was stronger than the Cube? Is that what you are insinuating here? The Xbox was stronger than the Cube (barely in practical game use) but to say it was not graphically competitive is such none sense. Look at the games, RE4, Twilight Princess, Rogue Squadren, Star Fox, Metroid Prime 2, Windwaker etc etc. It was competitive and the Cube was graphically superior over the PS2 without question. The fact that people don't know this is baffling.

N64 vs PS1 had more issue. Textures due to storage were what hurt most 64 games. That said, owning a PSX you're overating the graphical capabilities. The games were inferior to N64 games by a margin. They weren't blurry but they were low poly low complexity messes for the most part wiith prerendered everything to make up for a significant lack of power. Something like Majora's mask just crapped all over most PSX games.

As for your edit. Your experience is not reality. If you wanna argue N64/PSX go for it. If you want to sit here and tell me the PS2 was more graphically capable than the Cube you are out of your mind. The WiiU will not be graphically competitve, anyone who thinks it will are completely wrong. However Nintendo did not compete graphically for 1 gen, not 3. FACT.

Are you sitting here trying to tell me that the PS2 was stronger than the Cube? Is that what you are insinuating here? The Xbox was stronger than the Cube (barely in practical game use) but to say it was not graphically competitive is such none sense. Look at the games, RE4, Twilight Princess, Rogue Squadren, Star Fox, Metroid Prime 2, Windwaker etc etc. It was competitive and the Cube was graphically superior over the PS2 without question. The fact that people don't know this is baffling.

N64 vs PS1 had more issue. Textures due to storage were what hurt most 64 games. That said, owning a PSX you're overating the graphical capabilities. The games were inferior to N64 games by a margin. They weren't blurry but they were low poly low complexity messes for the most part wiith prerendered everything to make up for a significant lack of power. Something like Majora's mask just crapped all over most PSX games.

As for your edit. Your experience is not reality. If you wanna argue N64/PSX go for it. If you want to sit here and tell me the PS2 was more graphically capable than the Cube you are out of your mind. The WiiU will not be graphically competitve, anyone who thinks it will are completely wrong. However Nintendo did not compete graphically for 1 gen, not 3. FACT.

ActicEdge

No.

Neither the N64 or PSX holds up particularly well today. The more cartoonish art styles worked fine with the pastelled texturing (which I think was due to smaller pixels being stretched out over larger areas? I may be wrong) but if we're comparing the two side by side, I can't give the benefit of the doubt to the N64 despite higher CPU. It's releases look ugly and I find it an eyesore to play on that system.

As for the Xbox/Gamecube gen, I still believe the Gamecube lost in graphic terms although I was overzealous in my initial post.

Ok after this I'll have to go through the thread.

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In all sincerity. Blah blah blah...

Yes it's about the experince not power. Yes you can make significant experiences with short power. That doesn't change the fact that this in some way hinders the developers creative freedom to create a product.

And really, we've heard all of this before from Nintendo. Some of it every single gen.

Yes the experience matters more, but what exactly did happen last gen? You bring a technology forward that only came into fruition by Nintendo because of Skyward Sword--Metroid Prime 3 being an exception. How long did that last?

Nintendo can backlash all they want, but if they want to make a sound argument for their case, give us the goods, don't talk about it--like they always do.

KungfuKitten

Yes I do. It's a good point. And it's also cheaper for the consumer. But then again, I'm one of those guys who values the power of choice.

I won't even have to name the PC market, just look at the console market this gen. Look at digital distribution. Sure you have your big budget titles on the HD consoles, but you can also get a lot of great games on any online store that doesn't use much hardware power, or that didn't have a 1/20 of the budget needed to create a big budget title.

Yes they can create an awesome experience with very little power and a smaller budget. It forces the developers to be resourceful and creative. But lack of hardware power also takes freedom away from certain developers that want to utilise that power. Taking that freedom away from them isn't always a positive. Gens come and go, hardware keeps getting better and experiences every gen take advantage of this aspect.

NINTENDO CAN TALK ABOUT POWER ALL THEY WANT BUT WHERE IS THE GAME THAT SHOWS DA POWAH ??

As much as I'd love to say I don't care about graphical power, I really want a Zelda game that looks like that fantastic Majora's Mask fan-made trailer. That's smexy!

If the console has the games then I will be more than willing to check it out. WiiU is looking like it will have a solid selection, but to be honest I'll need more than the multiplats like Batman and AC3. I have my 360 and PS3 for those.

Need the exclusives. Not just the first party exclusives either, though those are the biggest sell of the console of course.

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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]how do we know ps4 and 720 is going to be that much stronger? its going t be stonger but i really think it won be by muchActicEdge

How come? The N64 was far behind the PSX in every single area of technical capability and the GameCube was left in the dust by the Xbox? This generation has been an absolute mess for Nintendo in the hardware arena and the support of third-parties has suffered because of it. The only reason that Nintendo survived is because they caught the casual market early, an unstable market. Why will next generation be any different when both Sony and Microsoft are getting much longer research and development cycles, which by all indicators are going to be up to two years.

Are you shiiting us? The N64 was a crap ton stronger then the PSX. A crap ton, the N64 was crippled in game size due to cartridges but in specs? :lol:

The difference between the Gamecube and the Xbox was not very big. The Xbox was superior but left in the dust?:lol: Resident Evil 4, Rogue Squadren, Twilight Princess, Star Fox, Crystal Chronicles were easily comparable to any Xbox game. Now someone bust out the over resed bs shots of SC: CT, Conker and Doom 3.

I always get into this type of argument about the PSX and N64. What people seem to forget is that the PSX used prerendered backgrounds for most games, and this is whay they always say it has better graphics. PSX games otherwise look like a pixilated mess. Look at FF8, can't even make out squalls face, but Link has an actual face in OOT. The 64 could push more polys and at a higher resolution that the PSX so in terms of real time rendering the 64 wins.

And also, the gamecube wasn't that far behind the xbox, infact RE4 still looks better than anything on the xbox. The Dead or Alive Ultimate and Ninja Gaiden were the best looking games on the xbox, and I still think that Metroid Prime and RE4 looked better.

The GPU, storage, and memory speed were outclassed by the Xbox. The CPU was outmatched by the PS2. I just have a hard time seeing where the Gamecube had any graphical superiority over the other two consoles.

We can each thrown out counter-examples all day. At the end of the day, in my experience Nintendo has had the least graphically capable games of the last 3 generations. I want those claiming that the WiiU is going to blow everyone else out of the water to tell me why they believe so (I have seen posters out there).

Bobzfamily

I'm sorry, but you need to have your eyes check.