Looking at the GameCube and how Eternal Darkness and Geist did on the market, it shouldn't be a surprise. Even though those games didn't sell the best, they still increased the profile of the system by a lot. Not only that but with mature content they seem to plant seeds but fail to let them grow. Why not follow up ED with ED2? Most people I know who had a GC didn't even know that ED existed in the first place so Nintendo could have advertised that better. I saw Geist in a video store rental place years back and was surprised. I'm a fan of Nintendo developed games, a reasonably well-informed one at that, and yet I never knew it existed until then. What I'm saying is that the gameplay in those games was excellent. It was worth taking more risk on to promote them and develop those games into full blown series.[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]
I'm a huge Nintendo fan and I completely agree with you. Nintendo is extremely large and has always had a do-it-ourselves mentality to make up for the failings of third parties. I don't see why this should be any different. Not only that, but Nintendo has proven to be an excellent producer of mature content, particularly with the GC. It seems that lately they simply choose not to do so.
nintendoboy16
Nintendo needs to grow up
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The wiitards are out in full force defending the crap that is nintendo. I agree I cant stand nintendo anymore, the wii had 3 games i enjoyed the whole gen. Not buying a wiiu.
Advid-Gamer
Don't you think you seem a little angrier than this situation warrants?
I'm kinda confused by the fanboy saying Nintendo should "grow up". So what if you don't like their games, why should they abonden the huge fanbase? Because YOU don't like their games? I don't like sports and sim racer, but do you see me going after those devs saying they should make SRPGs I like? There are enough guns in third party titles, I actually welcome it when first party titles are something special. I love game like Little big planet or Mod Nation Racer and I'd like to see another Legend of Dragoon
Nintendo not only needs to grow up. They need to wise up and make their consoles more on par with MS and Sony and stop making it all about making gimmicky controls and their appeal has faded. Give it up Nintendo! It's time to come back into reality. Even Steam Box isn't going for gimmicky controls.
Nintendo is tiny compared to Sony and Microsoft. They cannot stay in business releasing consoles that do not see profit for 4-5 year periods. Also, the Wii U controller is great.Nintendo not only needs to grow up. They need to wise up and make their consoles more on par with MS and Sony and stop making it all about making gimmicky controls and their appeal has faded. Give it up Nintendo! It's time to come back into reality. Even Steam Box isn't going for gimmicky controls.
clr84651
Metroid may not be a huge seller, but it still is a franchise that is instantly associated with Nintendo and it's not like it hasn't had fairly recent entries. GreySeal9It is a very fine razor's edge that Nintendo treads with Metroid. They have to consider a balance between commercial viability and the integrity of the property (and it remaining true to it's core elements). Other M was a stark departure from the trend that the series was taking with the Prime games (including Hunters and Pinball). Before Other M, Metroid was a close to being a "brand" than it ever was... but Hunters, Corruption and Echoes' multiplayer illustrated the deviation from the integrity of the property causing people to recoil a bit from the games (none of them were really well-received, based on those *aspects*, not necessarily the games themselves, with the fanbase). Other M was an attempt to create what was essentially a "3D Fusion". Both popular in the Japanese market, and more linear/story-oriented. It too was a commercial flop. Personally, I think there are only two, viable futures for Metroid: 1) 2.5D 3DS games like NSMB where the nostalgia for the old games is amplified and focused on, and what is essentially a "back to basics" reboot. -or- 2) Some sort of "universe crossing" like the rumors surrounding that Metroid/Star Fox project. There is no commercial future for Metroid as-it-is, and as someone who values the commercial future of the industry, I understand.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]Metroid may not be a huge seller, but it still is a franchise that is instantly associated with Nintendo and it's not like it hasn't had fairly recent entries. ZevianderIt is a very fine razor's edge that Nintendo treads with Metroid. They have to consider a balance between commercial viability and the integrity of the property (and it remaining true to it's core elements). Other M was a stark departure from the trend that the series was taking with the Prime games (including Hunters and Pinball). Before Other M, Metroid was a close to being a "brand" than it ever was... but Hunters, Corruption and Echoes' multiplayer illustrated the deviation from the integrity of the property causing people to recoil a bit from the games (none of them were really well-received, based on those *aspects*, not necessarily the games themselves, with the fanbase). Other M was an attempt to create what was essentially a "3D Fusion". Both popular in the Japanese market, and more linear/story-oriented. It too was a commercial flop. Personally, I think there are only two, viable futures for Metroid: 1) 2.5D 3DS games like NSMB where the nostalgia for the old games is amplified and focused on, and what is essentially a "back to basics" reboot. -or- 2) Some sort of "universe crossing" like the rumors surrounding that Metroid/Star Fox project. There is no commercial future for Metroid as-it-is, and as someone who values the commercial future of the industry, I understand.
I'm not entirely confident in your analysis. I didn't care for the sequels of Metroid Prime because I simply didn't have as much fun. The enemies weren't really much fun to fight and the environments weren't as breathtaking. For lack of a better way to say it, they seemed like knock-offs. Don't take me wrong, though: I was a huge fan of Metroid Prime. After playing its sequels, I was very disappointed. As for Other M, reviews said that it strayed from the style of plot and such from typical Metroid because it was made by a studio that didn't quite understand. Honestly, I've never played it. If Nintendo can make quality games, then they will continue to have financial success. Many people just want more variety.
Zelda, Smash Bros, Xenoblade, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Sin and Punishment, Punch Out, Last Story, and Fire Emblem really weren't really made for kids in mind. Zelda and Xenoblade both include mechanics not suited for kids. Donkey Kong, Punch Out, and Fire Emblem were some of the most difficult games last generation. Mario Galaxy and Kirby are for everyone, just like Little Big Planet and Ratchet.
You need a lecture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzU8wM_S2Ks
Lol imagine if Nntendo came out and said they are making all of their franchises adult-themed ones.
Oh,the rage....
:P
I believe Nintendo does need to grow up, but it really is not about the type of games it releases, although they're symptomatic of the main problem at hand. Growing up does not only pertain to self-maturity, it also is a reflection on how one treats others. Nintendo continues to see their audience as children who can do nothing on their own, and they damn well KNOW better. This is the problem. From their business practices (no games allowed to be purchased after 11 p.m. kiddies!), to hand-holding that has become outright insulting, to their "I'm not a gamer" ads:
http://kotaku.com/5948216/nintendo-shouldnt-treat-gamer-like-a-dirty-word
And other problems:
http://www.aggrogate.com/2012/08/dammit-nintendo-stop-patronizing/
...and yet another:
http://www.gamespot.com/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/forum/why-does-nintendo-think-we-are-all-brain-dead-morons-61151195/
.....it's blatantly obvious to me how Nintendo has come to view its audience: with condescension, disrespect along with a patronizing attitude. All of which are indicative of immaturity, and from those links and many posts I've seen on these boards I'm not alone in feeling this way.
Nintendo simply lacks the ability to see its consumers as anything more than infants who not only need to be protected from the big, bad world, but also lead them through it making sure to hold their hand in reassurance that daddy will make all okay. A parent who acts this way towards a child is mature as the child is not. An adult who acts this way towards another adult, however, is acting immature. This is not always the case I'll admit as there are games they put out that are quite challenging and give players credit (SMG 1 & 2 which curiously doesn't do this), but I find these to be exceptions rather than the rule, and overall it strikes me that Nintendo lacks the maturity to recognize and accord that maturity to everyone else. And if they do have the maturity that makes it even worse.
And I've long ago tired of it. I will always play Nintendo's games (the ones that treat me like I have a brain anyway), because when they're on their game they're on it and they make the best software this industry has to offer, but otherwise I've outgrown them years ago as I've outgrown a child because that child for the most part refuses to grow up. It demonstrates to me that even though some of their games show the potential to break free and Nintendo CAN see its consumer as respectable, capable adults, they instead choose not to and their underlying philosophy and approach to this medium's audience remains fundamentally the same as it has for a good while now.
And in that respect, yes, they need to grow up.
I believe Nintendo does need to grow up, but it really is not about the type of games it releases, although they're symptomatic of the main problem at hand. Growing up does not only pertain to self-maturity, it also is a reflection on how one treats others. Nintendo continues to see their audience as children who can do nothing on their own, and they damn well KNOW better. This is the problem. From their business practices (no games allowed to be purchased after 11 p.m. kiddies!), to hand-holding that has become outright insulting, to their "I'm not a gamer" ads:http://kotaku.com/5948216/nintendo-shouldnt-treat-gamer-like-a-dirty-wordAnd other problems:http://www.aggrogate.com/2012/08/dammit-nintendo-stop-patronizing/...and yet another:http://www.gamespot.com/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/forum/why-does-nintendo-think-we-are-all-brain-dead-morons-61151195/.....it's blatantly obvious to me how Nintendo has come to view its audience: with condescension, disrespect along with a patronizing attitude. All of which are indicative of immaturity, and from those links and many posts I've seen on these boards I'm not alone in feeling this way.Nintendo simply lacks the ability to see its consumers as anything more than infants who not only need to be protected from the big, bad world, but also lead them through it making sure to hold their hand in reassurance that daddy will make all okay. A parent who acts this way towards a child is mature as the child is not. An adult who acts this way towards another adult, however, is acting immature. This is not always the case I'll admit as there are games they put out that are quite challenging and give players credit (SMG 1 & 2 which curiously doesn't do this), but I find these to be exceptions rather than the rule, and overall it strikes me that Nintendo lacks the maturity to recognize and accord that maturity to everyone else. And if they do have the maturity that makes it even worse.And I've long ago tired of it. I will always play Nintendo's games (the ones that treat me like I have a brain anyway), because when they're on their game they're on it and they make the best software this industry has to offer, but otherwise I've outgrown them years ago as I've outgrown a child because that child for the most part refuses to grow up. It demonstrates to me that even though some of their games show the potential to break free and Nintendo CAN see its consumer as respectable, capable adults, they instead choose not to and their underlying philosophy and approach to this medium's audience remains fundamentally the same as it has for a good while now.And in that respect, yes, they need to grow up.MirkoS77this entire wall of text would have more weight if Skyward Sword was the only game they've put out recently (it's not)
Nintendo's games tend to be very accessible, but they always have challenge lying underneath for veteran players.
Nintendo needs to grow up much in the same way Pixar/Disney and Dreamworks need to grow up, and that is not at all.
I'm not speaking out for the "maturity" of Nintendo's games, but the point is that there are hundreds of other games to play from this gen alone that fit the "mature" description. There's more than any one person could play, and we don't need to rely on Nintendo to provide them for us.
Just let them do what they do, and if you don't like it then whatever.
this entire wall of text would have more weight if Skyward Sword was the only game they've put out recently (it's not)[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]I believe Nintendo does need to grow up, but it really is not about the type of games it releases, although they're symptomatic of the main problem at hand. Growing up does not only pertain to self-maturity, it also is a reflection on how one treats others. Nintendo continues to see their audience as children who can do nothing on their own, and they damn well KNOW better. This is the problem. From their business practices (no games allowed to be purchased after 11 p.m. kiddies!), to hand-holding that has become outright insulting, to their "I'm not a gamer" ads:http://kotaku.com/5948216/nintendo-shouldnt-treat-gamer-like-a-dirty-wordAnd other problems:http://www.aggrogate.com/2012/08/dammit-nintendo-stop-patronizing/...and yet another:http://www.gamespot.com/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/forum/why-does-nintendo-think-we-are-all-brain-dead-morons-61151195/.....it's blatantly obvious to me how Nintendo has come to view its audience: with condescension, disrespect along with a patronizing attitude. All of which are indicative of immaturity, and from those links and many posts I've seen on these boards I'm not alone in feeling this way.Nintendo simply lacks the ability to see its consumers as anything more than infants who not only need to be protected from the big, bad world, but also lead them through it making sure to hold their hand in reassurance that daddy will make all okay. A parent who acts this way towards a child is mature as the child is not. An adult who acts this way towards another adult, however, is acting immature. This is not always the case I'll admit as there are games they put out that are quite challenging and give players credit (SMG 1 & 2 which curiously doesn't do this), but I find these to be exceptions rather than the rule, and overall it strikes me that Nintendo lacks the maturity to recognize and accord that maturity to everyone else. And if they do have the maturity that makes it even worse.And I've long ago tired of it. I will always play Nintendo's games (the ones that treat me like I have a brain anyway), because when they're on their game they're on it and they make the best software this industry has to offer, but otherwise I've outgrown them years ago as I've outgrown a child because that child for the most part refuses to grow up. It demonstrates to me that even though some of their games show the potential to break free and Nintendo CAN see its consumer as respectable, capable adults, they instead choose not to and their underlying philosophy and approach to this medium's audience remains fundamentally the same as it has for a good while now.And in that respect, yes, they need to grow up.Shinobishyguy
Nintendo's games tend to be very accessible, but they always have challenge lying underneath for veteran players.
A wal of text is not what I posted, I had paragraphs. That you removed them and then claim it a wall of text means nothing. Learn what it means and quote it as it was. Secondly, did you miss this part, my very first sentence?
"I believe Nintendo does need to grow up, but it really is not about the type of games it releases, although they're symptomatic of the main problem at hand."
It is not just their games, it is their entire attitude which are not only manifested in their games but elsewhere as well.
So you think they should abandon their classic franchises like Mario and Zelda in favour of games trying to be like Uncharted, Halo and God of War, hm?
Nah, I wouldn't like to see that.
What I would like to see is them returning to the times when console gaming was still actually *fun*, i.e. the 90s.
That was the time they put out some great, fun and also challenging games.
Their today's games are a bit too watered-down for my taste altho I still like the design.
So no, I don't think Nintendo themselves have to make M-rated games.
But investing more in some potent M-rated games made by other devs would not be a bad idea.
Over-all, I don't care what rating a game has, I care how appealing and fun it is to me.
this entire wall of text would have more weight if Skyward Sword was the only game they've put out recently (it's not)[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]
[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]I believe Nintendo does need to grow up, but it really is not about the type of games it releases, although they're symptomatic of the main problem at hand. Growing up does not only pertain to self-maturity, it also is a reflection on how one treats others. Nintendo continues to see their audience as children who can do nothing on their own, and they damn well KNOW better. This is the problem. From their business practices (no games allowed to be purchased after 11 p.m. kiddies!), to hand-holding that has become outright insulting, to their "I'm not a gamer" ads:http://kotaku.com/5948216/nintendo-shouldnt-treat-gamer-like-a-dirty-wordAnd other problems:http://www.aggrogate.com/2012/08/dammit-nintendo-stop-patronizing/...and yet another:http://www.gamespot.com/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward-sword/forum/why-does-nintendo-think-we-are-all-brain-dead-morons-61151195/.....it's blatantly obvious to me how Nintendo has come to view its audience: with condescension, disrespect along with a patronizing attitude. All of which are indicative of immaturity, and from those links and many posts I've seen on these boards I'm not alone in feeling this way.Nintendo simply lacks the ability to see its consumers as anything more than infants who not only need to be protected from the big, bad world, but also lead them through it making sure to hold their hand in reassurance that daddy will make all okay. A parent who acts this way towards a child is mature as the child is not. An adult who acts this way towards another adult, however, is acting immature. This is not always the case I'll admit as there are games they put out that are quite challenging and give players credit (SMG 1 & 2 which curiously doesn't do this), but I find these to be exceptions rather than the rule, and overall it strikes me that Nintendo lacks the maturity to recognize and accord that maturity to everyone else. And if they do have the maturity that makes it even worse.And I've long ago tired of it. I will always play Nintendo's games (the ones that treat me like I have a brain anyway), because when they're on their game they're on it and they make the best software this industry has to offer, but otherwise I've outgrown them years ago as I've outgrown a child because that child for the most part refuses to grow up. It demonstrates to me that even though some of their games show the potential to break free and Nintendo CAN see its consumer as respectable, capable adults, they instead choose not to and their underlying philosophy and approach to this medium's audience remains fundamentally the same as it has for a good while now.And in that respect, yes, they need to grow up.MirkoS77
Nintendo's games tend to be very accessible, but they always have challenge lying underneath for veteran players.
A wal of text is not what I posted, I had paragraphs. That you removed them and then claim it a wall of text means nothing. Learn what it means and quote it as it was. Secondly, did you miss this part, my very first sentence?
"I believe Nintendo does need to grow up, but it really is not about the type of games it releases, although they're symptomatic of the main problem at hand."
It is not just their games, it is their entire attitude which are not only manifested in their games but elsewhere as well.
I don't know if I can handle all this hyperbole. I just love how you assume you know the intentions behind Nintendo's actions.
The whole "M-rated games" can't be viewed past 11 a.m thing only affected Europe, and was a decision made solely by NoE from what I recall, not Nintendo as a whole due to some issues with germany's views on violent media.
Those "I am not a gamer" ads weren't meant to antagonize gamers, it was just a message saying that the WiiU could be enjoyed by anyone, no matter their gaming background.
SMG 1 2 DID credit you if you 100% completed it, main and side stuff. They sent you some message on the wii message board congratulating you .
Fi from Skyward sword could just simply be flawed game design you know. I agree that Fi was bad, but acting like Fi was put in SS to insult everyone's intelligence and that Nintendo thinks the only people that play their games are babies is just absurd. That would be like saying every company that adds obnoxious tutorials in their games think their audience is stupid. Perhaps it is just lazy design on their parts?
And honestlly SS is the only Nintendo game I can think of that was really guilty of handholding out of all the games they developed. Some games had the super guide I guess, although even then using the super guide would count as TRULY beating a level, like in SMG2, where you would only get a bronze star instead of a gold star, and thus wouldn't help you in giving access to the optional, challenging levels. Despite the addition of super guides, there was still incentive to actuallly complete a level yoruself for more veteraned players and gamers who actually care about being good at games.
That plus you even admit that not all Nintendo games follow the same trend. If Nintendo really did belive that their consumer base was filled with nothing but "little kiddies afraid of the big bad world", then why wouldn't every game have something as bad as Fi in it? Why would they have any challenging games at all?
I would rather play something like this than something like this on a Nintendo system.
How tragic it must be to only be able to enjoy Call of Duty and Gears of War style games.
to their "I'm not a gamer" ads:Oh, please. The butthurt over that was pathetic.http://kotaku.com/5948216/nintendo-shouldnt-treat-gamer-like-a-dirty-word
MirkoS77
.The whole "M-rated games" can't be viewed past 11 a.m thing only affected Europe, and was a decision made solely by NoE from what I recall, not Nintendo as a whole due to some issues with germany's views on violent media.
DJ-Lafleur
And you are right.
It has a lot to do with Germany's views on violent media. In fact they pretty much confirmed that.
Nintenyearolds hate M-rated games. Except when one actually gets released on a Nintendo platform, because that means Nintendo has finally grown up and is no longer just for kids. Then there comes another drought, and it's back to saying how much better it a game is if it has no blood or bathroom words.Timstuff
Look at my sig.:)
Da hell am I reading?
Lol @ the ninty fanboys...so much for NINTENDO captured the entire audience with their games....the TC is completely right. Too much kiddy **** and not enough mature titles for those who prefer them more. Nintendo talk so much **** yet never deliver. Gimmicks and more gimmicks..yet no software to fully take advantage and offer that so called unique and revolutionary experience. MORE WiiSPORTS. Make more games Nintendo.
They can only throw out so many games, they're not Activision/EA/Ubisoft where they can chuck a ton more out. And again, if Eternal Darkness/Geist hadn't bombed in sales, Nintendo would STILL be in the mature market. With Bayonetta 2, they may have one last chance to get back in and if that bombs, it's safe to say that they're done...Lol @ the ninty fanboys...so much for NINTENDO captured the entire audience with their games....the TC is completely right. Too much kiddy **** and not enough mature titles for those who prefer them more. Nintendo talk so much **** yet never deliver. Gimmicks and more gimmicks..yet no software to fully take advantage and offer that so called unique and revolutionary experience. MORE WiiSPORTS. Make more games Nintendo.
soapandbubbles
Yet Gears has way better gameplay then Jet Force Gemini. You wouldn't be judging the game by it's graphics would you? I thought Nintendo fans never do that :PI would rather play something like this than something like this on a Nintendo system.
nameless12345
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]Yet Gears has way better gameplay then Jet Force Gemini. You wouldn't be judging the game by it's graphics would you? I thought Nintendo fans never do that :PI would rather play something like this than something like this on a Nintendo system.
locopatho
Eww... no
Action adventure>>>Whac-a-mole
Yet Gears has way better gameplay then Jet Force Gemini. You wouldn't be judging the game by it's graphics would you? I thought Nintendo fans never do that :P[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]
I would rather play something like this than something like this on a Nintendo system.
Maroxad
Eww... no
Action adventure>>>Whac-a-mole
Jet Force was a shooter from what I remember?[QUOTE="Maroxad"][QUOTE="locopatho"] Yet Gears has way better gameplay then Jet Force Gemini. You wouldn't be judging the game by it's graphics would you? I thought Nintendo fans never do that :Plocopatho
Eww... no
Action adventure>>>Whac-a-mole
Jet Force was a shooter from what I remember?Well, you did run around and shoot stuff.
But the game was centered around exploration... or at least, the second half.
if the purple nintendo with the handle on it didnt tell you nintendo is aimed for children and not adults, well then consider this. The wii uPressXtoJump
A shame that many people think that the Gamecube was aimed for Children and called it a Lunch Box, Despite it having Titles like Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Soul Calibur.
Then suddenly a generation later they turn around and say "The Gamecube was legit!"
No, it wasn't.
Nintendo is only one of the big 3 that make a variety of games that are suitable for all ages. Sony/MS invest nearly all their money into M rated shooter games. If Nintendo made all their more adult themed like making Mario TPS/Platformer, Zelda akin to Dark Souls, Metroid into a CoD clone etc. then kids would have nothing to play besides lame ass stuff like Eyepet or Kinectimals BPoole96
Kids actually go for those Mrated games than the Erated games because they think "It looks cool!"
Kids would rather go for the Hardcore Space Marine than a Cartoon Character.
It's seems like more of the Older Young Adult crowd that would go after something like Pokemon.
[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]if the purple nintendo with the handle on it didnt tell you nintendo is aimed for children and not adults, well then consider this. The wii uLegatoSkyheart
A shame that many people think that the Gamecube was aimed for Children and called it a Lunch Box, Despite it having Titles like Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Soul Calibur.
Then suddenly a generation later they turn around and say "The Gamecube was legit!"
No, it wasn't.
Won't be long until they say the same about the Wii. Ninty consoles have had such a flip-flopping reception since probably the N64[QUOTE="BPoole96"]Nintendo is only one of the big 3 that make a variety of games that are suitable for all ages. Sony/MS invest nearly all their money into M rated shooter games. If Nintendo made all their more adult themed like making Mario TPS/Platformer, Zelda akin to Dark Souls, Metroid into a CoD clone etc. then kids would have nothing to play besides lame ass stuff like Eyepet or Kinectimals LegatoSkyheart
Kids actually go for those Mrated games than the Erated games because they think "It looks cool!"
Kids would rather go for the Hardcore Space Marine than a Cartoon Character.
It's seems like more of the Older Young Adult crowd that would go after something like Pokemon.
Oh I know, it's ridiculous. My gf has twin boys that are 10 and when I first met them they had a Wii with all the Nintendo essentials for the system. Now they say all those games suck and are for little kids since they got their PS3. Their game collection, I kid you not, is every COD from 4 up until MW3, BF3, MoH 2010, MoH: Warfighter, and Ghost Recon: Future Soldier. I bought them the Ratchet and Clank games for their bday last year and traded it in within a week of me giving it to them and they said it sucked because the graphics were cartoony and the guns were fake.Thanks for this, nice find.You need a lecture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzU8wM_S2Ks
PsychoLemons
[QUOTE="BPoole96"]Nintendo is only one of the big 3 that make a variety of games that are suitable for all ages. Sony/MS invest nearly all their money into M rated shooter games. If Nintendo made all their more adult themed like making Mario TPS/Platformer, Zelda akin to Dark Souls, Metroid into a CoD clone etc. then kids would have nothing to play besides lame ass stuff like Eyepet or Kinectimals LegatoSkyheart
Kids actually go for those Mrated games than the Erated games because they think "It looks cool!"
Kids would rather go for the Hardcore Space Marine than a Cartoon Character.
It's seems like more of the Older Young Adult crowd that would go after something like Pokemon.
Luckily, I've never been one of those kids.[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]Nintendo is only one of the big 3 that make a variety of games that are suitable for all ages. Sony/MS invest nearly all their money into M rated shooter games. If Nintendo made all their more adult themed like making Mario TPS/Platformer, Zelda akin to Dark Souls, Metroid into a CoD clone etc. then kids would have nothing to play besides lame ass stuff like Eyepet or Kinectimals BPoole96
Kids actually go for those Mrated games than the Erated games because they think "It looks cool!"
Kids would rather go for the Hardcore Space Marine than a Cartoon Character.
It's seems like more of the Older Young Adult crowd that would go after something like Pokemon.
Oh I know, it's ridiculous. My gf has twin boys that are 10 and when I first met them they had a Wii with all the Nintendo essentials for the system. Now they say all those games suck and are for little kids since they got their PS3. Their game collection, I kid you not, is every COD from 4 up until MW3, BF3, MoH 2010, MoH: Warfighter, and Ghost Recon: Future Soldier. I bought them the Ratchet and Clank games for their bday last year and traded it in within a week of me giving it to them and they said it sucked because the graphics were cartoony and the guns were fake.Did you see the Pictures of a Halo 4 launch event with all of those kids?
It's because of that I suddenly realized what freakin' Toy Story one was talking about.
Kids don't want a Plumber who saves a Princess, they want Iron Man.
Oh I know, it's ridiculous. My gf has twin boys that are 10 and when I first met them they had a Wii with all the Nintendo essentials for the system. Now they say all those games suck and are for little kids since they got their PS3. Their game collection, I kid you not, is every COD from 4 up until MW3, BF3, MoH 2010, MoH: Warfighter, and Ghost Recon: Future Soldier. I bought them the Ratchet and Clank games for their bday last year and traded it in within a week of me giving it to them and they said it sucked because the graphics were cartoony and the guns were fake.[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]
Kids actually go for those Mrated games than the Erated games because they think "It looks cool!"
Kids would rather go for the Hardcore Space Marine than a Cartoon Character.
It's seems like more of the Older Young Adult crowd that would go after something like Pokemon.
LegatoSkyheart
Did you see the Pictures of a Halo 4 launch event with all of those kids?
It's because of that I suddenly realized what freakin' Toy Story one was talking about.
Kids don't want a Plumber who saves a Princess, they want Iron Man.
Yeah i saw those and wasnt surprised at all. Literally every guy at their classes play CoD every day. They have of course learned all the profanity and racial slurs from it as well.DJ-Lafluer, HTML is screwing up so I put all my replies in red and yours in italics.
"I don't know if I can handle all this hyperbole. I just love how you assume you know the intentions behind Nintendo's actions."
Assumptions based on evidence. So me playing SS and being talked down to like I'm a 5th grader time and time again does not show their intention and attitude? Then what does?
"The whole "M-rated games" can't be viewed past 11 a.m thing only affected Europe, and was a decision made solely by NoE from what I recall, not Nintendo as a whole due to some issues with germany's views on violent media."
Alright. So did MS and Sony follow suite in Germany as well? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious as I haven't heard the same about what they've done and would think it would've been news.
"Those "I am not a gamer" ads weren't meant to antagonize gamers, it was just a message saying that the WiiU could be enjoyed by anyone, no matter their gaming background."
They were 3DS ads. And no, it wasn't meant to antagonize gamers. It was meant to divert people from believing that if they played games that they weren't to be labeled as gamers. No, they were "coin collecting (something or other)....". Obviously ads made with the intention of trying to distance their product from a term that has always defined it, as if somehow it's something to be ashamed of. I don't think this is a big deal as many make it out to be, the reason I brought it up was to reinforce my point as to how Nintendo views its base.
"SMG 1 2 DID credit you if you 100% completed it, main and side stuff. They sent you some message on the wii message board congratulating you."
You're preaching to the choir, as I said no different. I explicitly stated that the SMG games gave credit to the player. Anyway, did you read my link about NSMB? Hey man, it claps at you! Don't you feel an extra sense of accomplishment?
"Fi from Skyward sword could just simply be flawed game design you know. I agree that Fi was bad, but acting like Fi was put in SS to insult everyone's intelligence and that Nintendo thinks the only people that play their games are babies is just absurd. That would be like saying every company that adds obnoxious tutorials in their games think their audience is stupid. Perhaps it is just lazy design on their parts?"
Where did I say it was put in there with the intent to insult everyone's intelligence? No, it is an insult to everyone's intelligence. You're under the impression that I believe Nintendo is going out of its way to do this. I don't think that they are, and that makes it all the worse. If they did at least then they could be forgiven for their stupidity. And how exactly is it lazy design? It has nothing to do with flawed or lazy design, it's the philosophy behind it that's the problem. If Nintendo didn't think its audience was so dumb as to warrant tutorials that took up a large part of the early game explaining the most moronic, obvious things over and over again, they would not be there.
SS is not the only Zelda that has this hand-holding you know. TP also did. I've had it trying to even get interested anymore as the first few hours are always a complete bore. Herd those sheep! Catch that fish! Rescue that cat! Run those errands! Good job kiddo, here you go, a wooden sword, now attack that strawman!! I honestly don't understand how people can get past the obligatory "idoit proofing" stages of Zelda. Do you really think the next one is going to be any different? I'll tell you why all Zeldas start this way: it's to introduce us, yes, like babies, to the game mechanics at the speed of a slug.
It's their belief about gamers' aptitude, or lack thereof, which is directly detrimentally affecting their games as evidenced by SS and TP. Zelda, the best franchise they've got. And here you seem to be an apologist defending them. Why? Nintendo doesn't put all this unnecessary garbage in there with the intent to insult. It's there because they genuinely believe that people are so stupid and incapable that they can't figure something out that's so basic. I have NEVER seen tutorials and hand-holding as bad as SS had, in any game, ever. It was ridiculous to the point that I had no desire to play anymore hours before the first dungeon.
"That plus you even admit that not all Nintendo games follow the same trend. If Nintendo really did believe that their consumer base was filled with nothing but "little kiddies afraid of the big bad world", then why wouldn't every game have something as bad as Fi in it? Why would they have any challenging games at all?"
Give Nintendo time. They've made huge strides since the Wii launch. You think Zelda SS is going to be the only game that suffers from this hand-holding? Just you watch.
Yeah i saw those and wasnt surprised at all. Literally every guy at their classes play CoD every day. They have of course learned all the profanity and racial slurs from it as well.BPoole96
Makes you really think about what makes a game truely "Mature."
"That plus you even admit that not all Nintendo games follow the same trend. If Nintendo really did believe that their consumer base was filled with nothing but "little kiddies afraid of the big bad world", then why wouldn't every game have something as bad as Fi in it? Why would they have any challenging games at all?"
Give Nintendo time. They've made huge strides since the Wii launch. You think Zelda SS is going to be the only game that suffers from this hand-holding? Just you watch.
MirkoS77
Minecraft on the 360 is the worst case of Handholding I've ever seen, yet we have people proclaiming it to be the Best darn game on the Planet.
[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]if the purple nintendo with the handle on it didnt tell you nintendo is aimed for children and not adults, well then consider this. The wii uLegatoSkyheart
A shame that many people think that the Gamecube was aimed for Children and called it a Lunch Box, Despite it having Titles like Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Soul Calibur.
Then suddenly a generation later they turn around and say "The Gamecube was legit!"
No, it wasn't.
Nintendo systems are aimed at children. Course they have other focuses too but they are just not as good with the adult audience. Just as sony and ms don't' just go after adult audiences. The companys want to improve on their weak areas[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]if the purple nintendo with the handle on it didnt tell you nintendo is aimed for children and not adults, well then consider this. The wii uLegatoSkyheart
A shame that many people think that the Gamecube was aimed for Children and called it a Lunch Box, Despite it having Titles like Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Soul Calibur.
Then suddenly a generation later they turn around and say "The Gamecube was legit!"
No, it wasn't.
Gamecube was as close as they got to a good mix of 1st and 3rd party since the SNES. The problem is ALL of those games were on PS2 as well. It's not enough to get 20 or 30 or 50% of the multiplats and say "Look, we tried!". If they genuinely want to compete then they need ALL the same games as Xbox/PS/PC. Gamecube missed GTA, that's a fatal flaw right there. It'd be like missing COD and Elder Scrolls this gen. You just can't miss those games and expect the "core" to take you seriously.Nintendo is only one of the big 3 that make a variety of games that are suitable for all ages. Sony/MS invest nearly all their money into M rated shooter games. If Nintendo made all their more adult themed like making Mario TPS/Platformer, Zelda akin to Dark Souls, Metroid into a CoD clone etc. then kids would have nothing to play besides lame ass stuff like Eyepet or Kinectimals BPoole96M rated isn't what people mean when they say a mature game, and you know it. We mean stuff like Eternal Darkness, Metroid Prime, Majora's Mask, etc. Stuff that's creepy/atmospheric/fearful/makes you think. Not blood and bewbs.
[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]Nintendo systems are aimed at children. Course they have other focuses too but they are just not as good with the adult audience. Just as sony and ms don't' just go after adult audiences. The companys want to improve on their weak areas[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]
A shame that many people think that the Gamecube was aimed for Children and called it a Lunch Box, Despite it having Titles like Splinter Cell, Prince of Persia, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and Soul Calibur.
Then suddenly a generation later they turn around and say "The Gamecube was legit!"
No, it wasn't.
p4s2p0
Except, Kids would go after the Xbox 360 for COD and Halo. PS3 kids would get it for heck I don't know, COD and Little Big Planet?
Nintendo no one is going to them now because Nintendo doesn't have Halo or Little Big Planet.
They have Mario and COD, but no kid wants that now.
Gamecube was as close as they got to a good mix of 1st and 3rd party since the SNES. The problem is ALL of those games were on PS2 as well. It's not enough to get 20 or 30 or 50% of the multiplats and say "Look, we tried!". If they genuinely want to compete then they need ALL the same games as Xbox/PS/PC. Gamecube missed GTA, that's a fatal flaw right there. It'd be like missing COD and Elder Scrolls this gen. You just can't miss those games and expect the "core" to take you seriously.locopatho
And Gamecube didn't get GTA for a good reason. The Disc based Media Nintendo used back then wasn't enough. Heck Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes needed 2 discs.
Now in 2013, WiiU is out and pulling a game like Batman Arkham Asylum, Darksiders 2, Ninja Gaiden 3, ZombiU, BLOPS2, and Assassin's Creed 3 and you're telling me Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, Farcry 3, and others are not possible on the system?
Smells like bull crap to me. 3rd Parties just can't be bothered with Nintendo having a Console, but they can sure handle Nintendo being a Handheld Company.
[QUOTE="locopatho"]Gamecube was as close as they got to a good mix of 1st and 3rd party since the SNES. The problem is ALL of those games were on PS2 as well. It's not enough to get 20 or 30 or 50% of the multiplats and say "Look, we tried!". If they genuinely want to compete then they need ALL the same games as Xbox/PS/PC. Gamecube missed GTA, that's a fatal flaw right there. It'd be like missing COD and Elder Scrolls this gen. You just can't miss those games and expect the "core" to take you seriously.LegatoSkyheart
And Gamecube didn't get GTA for a good reason. The Disc based Media Nintendo used back then wasn't enough. Heck Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes needed 2 discs.
Now in 2013, WiiU is out and pulling a game like Batman Arkham Asylum, Darksiders 2, Ninja Gaiden 3, ZombiU, BLOPS2, and Assassin's Creed 3 and you're telling me Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2, Tomb Raider, Bioshock Infinite, Farcry 3, and others are not possible on the system?
Smells like bull crap to me. 3rd Parties just can't be bothered with Nintendo having a Console, but they can sure handle Nintendo being a Handheld Company.
I'm not telling you that. I'm telling you that people aren't just "hating" nor is there an anti Nintendo "conspiracy". Gamers want games, simple as that. If Nintendo can't get them, then dam right people are gonna slag off their console.
Kids go for all manner of things. What's 'edgy' and 'hot' with juveniles and teens, to stuff that's made primarily made for them. If kids only went for what you're saying then the huge volume of things already made for, and marketed to kids - a massive industry in itself, wouldn't exist.Kids actually go for those Mrated games than the Erated games because they think "It looks cool!"
Kids would rather go for the Hardcore Space Marine than a Cartoon Character.
It's seems like more of the Older Young Adult crowd that would go after something like Pokemon.
LegatoSkyheart
Pokemon resonates with an older audience who grew up with it, and a young audience.
Want something more contemporary? Skylanders, and that's a prety awesome IP.
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