Nintendo NX - 4.6 Tflops!?

Not sure if this has been posted but:

"Nintendo News" claims to have an insider with the unfinalized specifications of Nintendo's new console.

• GPGPU: Custom Radeon HD RX 200 GPU CODENAME LADY (2816 shaders @ 960 MHz, 4.60 TFLOP/s, Fillrates: 60.6 Gpixel/s, 170 Gtexel/s)
• CPU: IBM 64-Bit Custom POWER 8-Based IBM 8-Core Processor CODENAME JUMPMAN (2.2 GHz, Shared 6 MB L4 cache)
• Co-CPU: IBM PowerPC 750-based 1.24 GHz Tri-Core Co-Processor CODENAME HAMMER
• MEMORY: 4 Gigabytes of Unified DDR4 SDRAM CODENAMED KONG, 2 GB DDR3 RAM @ 1600 MHz (12.8 GB/s) On Die CODENAMED BARREL

If true, this would put the NX a stones throw away from an R9 390 and far ahead of the PS4/Xbox One! RAM setup is curious, but if that shader count doesn't bring in 3rd party support I don't know what will!

Source:

Nintendo "Fusion" from Nintendo News

It still wont help though, wheres Wii Us GTA5, MGS5, Persona 5 and Minecraft, Wii U can handle all these games perfectly and yet doesnt receive them. No matter how powerful, Nintendo will still only receive certain third party support.

Stats dont look bad, the ram is a little weird, but im no tech guy.

It will also put the NX at $1,200 dollars.

This is so fake is not even worth debating.

Who the hell would buy a Nintendo system for 3rd party games? I could care less about playing COD on a Nintendo platform. Even if it ran at 120 frames per second. Nintendo needs to invest more into first party. They need another studio like Rare that can pump out 5 or 6 high quality titles per system.

Anyways I'm calling BS on this rumor.

Wow , so better the the curent consoles.

Will it be cheaper or the same price as the curent consoles and will they give leg room for 3rd party devs?

@mesome713:

I don't think its about whether the Wii U can "handle them" but about who would buy a Wii U for these games. The PS4, PC, and Xbox versions would be superior for all third party titles. This is why there is little point for third parties to invest in the Wii U. All consumers interested in these products would be on any of the three other objectively superior platforms. I would think you would be interested in this, no?

Props for somehow getting that username, TC.

looks a lot more like a wish list than a rumour. a poor wishlist at that. 4 GB of ddr4 and 2 GB of ddr3 (on die apparently :S)..in the one box? why? a co CPU? what on earth for?

also the article is from jan 2014.

finally, even if this is true, even if nintendo decide to swap the CPU out for an X86 processor (to making porting easier), it will not make one single jot of difference on the third party front. thats not a hardware problem. its a 3rd party games don't sell on nintendo platforms problem. if publishers thought the likes of COD, creed and so on would rack up a million sales on the wiiu then we would be seeing those games on the console in some form.

@wizard: Money is money though, we all know PC is the superior device, but that doesnt mean we dont build foundations on other devices. There are many benefits buying GTA5 on a Wii U over the competition.

Dues Ex Human Revolution is best on Wii U and i played it on PC maxed out. Minecraft would be gigantic on Wii U or 3DS for kids, but that also why they wont release it, it gives Nintendo way to much power and they are scared.

Dark Souls would be awesome on Wii U, but they are scared of what might happen, put these games on Wii U and Xbox and PS4 could lose millions of customers. Certain games make since though, as they wouldnt sell, or wouldnt work, but some of the big ones we all know will sell.

@tormentos:

It's all rumor of course, but no, it would not put the NX at $1200 that's asinine. Building a comparable computer at these specifications wouldn't cost even $1000. Nintendo would be buying these parts in bulk at a massive discount. Could they be selling it at a loss ala 360/PS3? Maybe, but if true this will likely pay off.

This is fake, this rumor was posted back in early 2014 when it was called Fusion Terminal.

There is no point in using a down clocked 290x along with DDR4 memory pool which will gimp the gpu quite abit.

Also power 8 IBM cpu that supports 8 cores with 8 threads each core totaling 64 threads total,which is overkill and is not needed.

@mesome713:

True, but that is niche gaming, and by extension, lacks broad appeal. Developers don't hate Nintendo, they don't see benefit in developing for the under selling, under powered Wii U. Otherwise, why else would they neglect the console?

@04dcarraher:

Ah, do you have a link saying it was fake? If so, Mods please lock this.

@wizard: The real reason is money. Theyre either paid to not develop on Nintendo, too scared too develop for Nintendo because it feeds the beast, or its not worth their investment. Money, money, money.

@mesome713:

I'm very inclined to believe the later, while the former victims all platforms.

Reasons why that is bullshit :

• There's no way NX wouldn't have more memory than the Ps4, as memory would be much cheaper when it launches.
• That Power 8 cpu thing sounds like the bogus rumor that the "Wii U" (though we didn't know what it would be called) would use a power 7 cpu, PowerPC is dead Nintendo will most likely not use it again, Arm is Nintendo's best bet. Anything is possible but I really doubt this one..
• That memory is way too slow, there would at least need to be a lot of eDRAM for that memory solution to work.
• Both a powerful CPU and GPU would use too much electricity, Nintendo is concerned with efficiency as they should be. They would need a smaller cpu that is really efficient to also use that powerful of a gpu.

The GPU is actually possible, it's about half as powerful as the recent r9 nano fury which uses 175 watts at 28nm so if Nintendo uses a 16/14nm gpu they could easily use such a gpu.

Is more fake than you.

Backward compatibility. But the funny thing is they forgot the eDRAM lol.

X86 wouldn't help but having a cpu that couldn't brute force xbox 360 optimized code (and having lacking SIMD) really hurt Nintendo with the Wii U, in addition the Wii U should've been about twice as powerful in its other area's. It's definitely a hardware problem too.

No way.

@tormentos:

Ah, personal attacks, nice. You have really showed of glamorously the depth of rationale you are capable of.

Sounds like bullshit to me.

I'll wait for the official announcement from Nintendo.

The memory and CPU specs don't even make sense. And do ya really believe Nintendo of all companies is gonna deliver over 4 tflops of GPU power when MS and Sony wouldn't even give us 2? Dream on.

@Chozofication:

Yes, the memory sounds very strange to say the least, however the Xbox One uses unified DDR3, so stranger things have happened. I think the second CPU is so Nintendo can hit power targets, using only the more powerful CPU when needed. Multiple lower clocked cores, are superior in power efficiency to fewer higher clocked cores.

The problem is ...

Will nintendo take advantage of this kind of hardware and offer all those multis Sony and MS will be getting for their products or not ... Otherwise those specs do matter ONLY on papers or hype ... nothing else.

Because we know beforehand , we wont see extraordinary graphics for 8/10 of Nintendo first party AAA games ... Smash , kart , mario , paper mario , pokemon , mario side games ... Most of games having this cartoon style and that wont easily change ... Maybe we gonna see some next-gen metroid or/and Zelda but then what ?

So all in all ... On papers , good enough .. in action , we have to wait and see otherwise specs alone are good for nothing.

That's a big flop.

@AzatiS:

I think you're right in that this is good on paper, but Nintendo in practice has been difficult to say the least. I personally have no faith in Nintendo to capitalize on the (relative) disappointment of the 8th Gen consoles. I can see them wanting to charge a premium for 3rd party development on their new console or similar business practices. They have been given a great opportunity however.

Kinda hope it has more ram. That is the only concerning thing for me when reading these specs (if they are even true)

They aren't. Are as ridiculous as the claims misterxmedia was making about X1. We don't even know if NX is gonna be a console yet. Could be a handheld. But if it is a console I think the most people can realistically hope for is that Nintendo will get the GPU up over 2 tflops. That would edge out PS4 and go well passed X1.

Impressive stuff. It'd funny if this is true and buy the NX to replace my ps4. I don't want to be a sheep! I like being a cow, the dominant race.

Considering the signup date, I'm amazed it wasn't taken by then.

As long as its backwards compatible... and they invest in better services... I really could care less about its power. It's games age better than Sony/MS games anyway.

Most modern PC games still only need 4-6 GB's.

The emphasis on quantity of RAM is unnecessary in this day and age... it's all about the quality. 4GB of very fast RAM is infinitely better than 16GB of slow RAM.

4GB of RAM dedicated to the OS is plenty especially if it's DDR4.

These specs are likely rubbish and pulled out of the guy's rear-end.

Said by everyone who doesn't know that increases in memory demand are linear. I remember all the "You'll be lucky if the PS4 has 2GB!!!" lol

You need speed and quantity. As operating systems demand more memory and memory gets cheaper, it would be stupid to not have more than the PS4.

Isn't this the same stupid 'leak' from months ago? All those idiotic codenames seem familiar

5 things are crucial for NX console on its release imho.

1) 3RD PARTY GAMES - System will be in need of them badly ... Wii U proved that typical AAA caliber Nintendo 1st party titles are not enough anymore to push some crazy hardware sales . People need to see the next console as a PRIMARY console and not as a secondary ... There are not THAT many people out there wanting to spend money on a console for 4-5 games.

2) HARDWARE - For 3rd party games to work , NX will be in need of some solid hardware , not necessarily way better than PS4/X1 but at least on par ( slightly better will be ideal ) ... If by any means NX wont make it to provide on par multis as of quality with PS4/X1 ... having 3rd party support will be as good as not having at all which will hurt system in the long run.

3) PRICE - NX it will be in a nasty position on its release .. With Wii U a commercial failure , PS4/X1 well established with big titles left and right , 1st and 3rd party , AAA PS4/X1 games on half price or lower, both systems with price cuts and hype behind them by 2016 no doubt about it , solid libraries overall and last but not least ... many games on their way ... NX IT HAS TO BE REALLY COMPETITIVE PRICE WISE ! or NX will end up another Wii U.

4) GIMMICKS - Lets forget all the above and think for a while ... Why Wii sold and Wii U didnt ... And yes , it was because of motion controls.It was something "new" for many , something different at the time . It lured so many casuals , no gamers , kids , grown ups , etc ... you name it. So what if NX has something gimmicky around the corner like Wii had , that they are really confident itll work once again to lure in all kind of gamers ? There are so many rumors that NX is not your typical console , lets wait and see what is this all about . Things might get really interesting.

5) EXCLUSIVE GAMES ON RELEASE - With Wii U out of the picture already they need to focus all their sources and time into great , AAA caliber titles on NXs release. And most likely thats the case . There wasnt another mario for Wii U for a reason. I strongly beleive new Zelda will find its way on NX as well. I really think more games will be on their way around NX release ... Nintendo knows that this will be their last chance and theyll try hard . Theyll need to compete with 2 well established consoles with already massive libraries by then ... They have to bring it big time and imho theyll try to do so.

All in all , NX is Nintendos biggest bet , we will see what happens

This is so fake.

Speed is far more important. And I highly doubt the OS load on a Nintendo console is going to require 2-3GB's more.

This is so fake, LOL. And what's up with the choice of memory? When you have a GPU with 4.6 T.flops, DDR4 just isn't fast enough.

No it's not. If you have a gpu that's 10 teraflops but only has 4GB of super fast memory, that gpu can only fill that 4GB and is leaving a lot of power on the table that's wasted.

Likewise if that GPU had 8GB of GDDR3 it would be limited to filling that memory at a low speed and also would be a waste.

We went from 32-50 mb OS's with the 360 and Ps3 to 3GB+ with the Ps4 and Xb1, and hell the Wii U actually uses the most memory for its OS relative to how much it has (2GB and the OS uses half) so your estimations are baseless and ignore the linear nature of memory advancement. There's a reason why the biggest want that developers had when talking to the Cerny an the Ps4 hardware team was memory. And actually, 8GB is still not enough for the console to have 0 bottlenecks because of the huge OS.

So then why are PC gamers still not needing much more than 8GB of quality RAM these days despite games getting substantially better looking than they were 5-7 years ago when 4GB of RAM was almost unheard of?

And the XB1/PS4 OS's actually bloat up over 3GB of RAM? That's disgusting.

But you're a forum posting gamer. The average consumer only wants ONE console and one reason Nintendo doesn't compete is the fact that when an average consumer asks his friends who are into this shit like us we tell him only buy a Ninty system if you only want Ninty games. But if in the future we could tell the average consumer you'll get arguably the best first party and most of the 3rd party games? Maybe Nintendo wants this.

Actually 8GB is not that much anymore, plenty of games now recommend 6-8GB's so 16GB is the new 8GB. 4GB is what I used in 2011 (when games recommended 2-4GB) and back then 8GB was not a crazy amount to have. You should always have a surplus of memory.

And yes I agree 3GB for the OS is way too much for a console right now, but since they're trying to be more like PC than good consoles this is what we get :P

Unless a console had a gargantuan amount of processing power I can't imagine what it would do with 16 gigs of memory. Considering the weakness of PS4 and X1 8 gigs might be overkill. Or probably the other way around is actually right, 8 gigs of memory is good but the rest of the hardware isn't up to snuff.

Crytek : 8GB is not enough for Ps4/XB1

Also consider that, These consoles only have access to about 5GB.

Bleh, whatever. What sub 2 tflops PC GPU comes with 8 gigs of memory or even 5 gigs of it?

Well first of all, plenty of PC gpus could use more memory, take AMD's fury X for example. PC graphic cards aren't exempt from being memory bottle necked.

Second, that 5GB's the consoles have is for the CPU as well as the GPU...

If you want an example of how much memory a system should have relative to its other components, look to the Wii U.

I don't think this is accurate. According to AMD's CEO they won a Semi-custom contract which many believe that it was for the next Nintendo. Which means it will likely be a AMD CPU + GPU.